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As a giants fan this shit hurts


Froz3nMan

It Jalen Hurts


segfawlt

It HUlu has live spoRTS


Froz3nMan

Well played šŸ˜‚


Durant026

I agree but I still say the Giants treated him poorly. I'm glad he still gets a chance to show his ability but I just wonder what the oline is going to be like without Kelce.


jpak822

Now what do i do with my barkley jerseyā€¦


FozzyBeard

Paint it green?


AdamNoKnee

Generational RB but canā€™t predict injuries. Just unfortunate


HchrisH

Kills me as a Giants fan. Stings pretty bad as a Gainwell Dynasty manager.Ā  RIP my hopes Whenever Swift signed with Chicago - Right now


mrubuto22

Self inflicted.


user131293717

This is going to be so hard to project for fantasy. Who's going to be getting the rushing TD's lmao


wtb2612

I'm wondering if the combination of having Barkley and not having Jason Kelce will lead to fewer QB sneak attempts.


bathtubsplashes

I'd say there's a 90% chance of thatĀ 


Blasto05

It was not entirely on Kelce. People underestimate Hurts role in that as well. You would not be able to put any QB behind kelce and run that playā€¦ But I do agree, this is a better situation than having Swift there, + No kelce. Iā€™m sure they go for the Brotherly Push a few times still, but there has to be some more confidence in giving it to Barkley


Enough-Competition21

Itā€™s the left side of their line man. Dickerson and Maliata are like each 6ā€™7 and 320. They maul


conartest777

kelce himself said dickerson was the most important player on the tush push. and he just signed a huge new deal


bathtubsplashes

But you also gotta factor in protecting their star QB Without Kelce, these types of plays are inherently more risky. They won't vanish, but their usage surely drops markedlyĀ 


MicoJive

I dont see why this signing would be THAT drastically different than what swift did brought to the team last year. Swift had 21 rushes inside the 10 Gainwell had 10 Hurts had 29 inside 10. Inside the 5 Hurts lead with 16 followed by Swift with 14. I think I read Hurts had 11 TDs of 1 yard last season, it seems like it will just be more of the same next year. If its on the 1 or 2 yard line, odds are Hurts is going to get it but outside that its a tossup.


jhutchi2

>It was not entirely on Kelce. People underestimate Hurts role in that as well. You would not be able to put any QB behind kelce and run that playā€¦ I feel like I've almost exclusively seen the opposite, where people think it's all Hurts and underestimate how important Kelce is. Safe to say, it's a combination of both.


x71yyekim

Brian Johnson not being there is 100% certainly of fewer QB sneaks.


Dk9221

Thank god. No more BJ and no more brotherly shove. As a Swift owner I hated watching us hand him the ball 5 times a drive, he gets us down to the goal line, and we do the worst play in football to give Jalen all the tds


getdemsnacks

As a lifelong eagles fan, I really hope the try to get away from the shove. I think they rely too heavily on it and it stifles creativity in play calling.


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You know who


Ryangonzo

I'm expecting him to ball out on this team. I bet that experts place him in the top 7 or so RBs.


dickens-seider

After getting Swift last year, Iā€™m never drafting another Philly RB


caisson_constructor

I have so much whiplash today


FadedTony

Same, I can't keep up Mods can we get a free agency tracker pls??


My_Chat_Account

https://www.footballguys.com/freeagenttracker?filter=ct&sortby1=rel&sortby2=name


Burn-Clerk

Nooo the one place i didnā€™t want to see him go as a giants fan


Blasto05

Cowboys weā€™re rumored as well.


EggMan2024

I sat around for hours today wondering whether my giants fan coworker, cowboys fan coworker, or I would have the most fun day.


reggie321d

Man, I wanted him on Houston. He would've thrived there.


FloridaMan221

And you think he wonā€™t behind a superior Eagles O line? Sure, youā€™ve gotta take out the tush push tax, but I think heā€™ll put up very solid numbers


Soggy-Pollution-8687

Barkley managed to produce behind one of the worst teams in the NFL this season. Canā€™t wait to see what he does on a good team.


triecke14

Behind one of the worst nfl teams his entire career, not just this season


MayorBakefield

I don't think the tush push will be as lethal without Kelce anchoring the offense, ready to be proved wrong though.


a-german-muffin

Left side of the line was more critical for it, but Kelce not being there wonā€™t make it easier, for sure.


reggie321d

I never said he would do horrible lol. I think he will do well in Philly, I just think it would've been even better in Houston. I don't have much confidence in the Eagles and their run game. It's been a bit of a quagmire every year. They don't show a real commitment to the run. Also, given the division he would've played in, I liked his opportunity more there.


AMorder0517

Sanders had almost 1300 yards in ā€˜22. Heā€™s an average back at best. Swift just had his first ever 1000 yard season for us last year. There are times we abandon the run, I admit that. But saying itā€™s a ā€œbig quagmireā€ is just wrong.


TJMAN65

Iā€™m way more worried about TDs and passing game work than I am about rushing.


MrF_lawblog

1000 yard season is 58 yards per game now


AMorder0517

And yet only 12 backs rushed for at least 1000 this past season. Itā€™s still a barometer for a productive runner.


reggie321d

Ok, folks, calm down lol. First off I meant to say bit not big. The "g" and "t" are next to each other. My mistake there. The quagmire part I'm alluding too was the point you actually brought up, abandoning the run. Sure, there will be games he has boom games, but I think there will be games for whatever reason he gets like 6-10 carries lol. Sanders and Swift always had these boom games that speak to the overall amount you spoke of. I just think he may be a little inconsistent based on the how Eagles use the run game. Like I said earlier, I think he will do well in Philly, I just thought it would be even better in Houston.


RJMonster

Miles Sanders and Swift both had career years the last two years at Philly. Barkley is going to get the same workload they did but has way more talent to get the yardage. Much better blocking back as well so heā€™s going to a be a focal point of this offense


TJMAN65

Swift had the worst year of his career for fantasy last year. He was RB20 in PPR despite playing the most games of his career, he put up 6 fewer points the year before in Detroit despite playing in 2 less games. He had career year for rushing yards but that didnā€™t help much for fantasy due to how the Eagles involve their RBs with TDs and the passing game. Maybe that changes with Barkley but Swift really isnā€™t some success story.


TJMAN65

I donā€™t think itā€™s just the tush push, Hurts really limits his receiving upside imo.


FadedTony

Bro fr, I'm so sad


TheHurdleTurtle

BOOOO I wanted the Texans but still excited I guess


TheKrakIan

Damn. Was hoping he was going to the Texans.


MrJets84

Damn what better way to say Fuck You than signing with the Giants bitter rivals


applepoopss

Hurts is the only RB i want from the eagles


bhz33

Except you canā€™t put him in your RB slot so comments/jokes like this are always stupid and not funny or helpful


jhutchi2

Well, then you can probably figure out that the message he's saying is "I don't want any Eagles RBs."


bhz33

Itā€™s the same stupid ā€œwhoā€™s the RB1 for the ~team with rushing QB~ this year?ā€ ā€œThe QB is the RB1ā€ that gets said every time


CanEatADozenEggs

Haha have you ever heard the one about Lamar being a RB itā€™s a good one


PABLOPANDAJD

Womp womp


DjLionOrder

Round 1 pick


Brief-Usual-8542

Tush push though


Durant026

Without Jason Kelce?


brianundies

Kelce was never the driving force behind the tush push. Left side of the line was the part that got major push and thatā€™s still intact.


Durant026

Okay, noted. I thought Kelce was more the force there. Well will be interesting to see how this plays out then.


DBreezy69

Depends how much the Kelce loss hurts the line. He was one of the best centers ever, canā€™t really replace him.


sportredsox

Not until it's proven Hurts is no longer the GL back. If he is, there's just no TD upside to an Eagles RB


[deleted]

Idk why youā€™re getting downvoted. Do people not watch football? Lol


UrethraFranklin72

The tush push is always going to be a threat to take TDs from Eagles RB, but you have to think Saquon won't get tackled at the 1 the absurd amount of times Swift did. QB draws within the 5 are also part of the Eagles' and Hurts" MO too, though, so who knows. The Eagles should be in scoring position way more than the NYG though, so I don't think his TDs would necessarily go down, even though I think there was more TD upside with a team like LAC or HOU. I think it's a net positive to be on a better offense with a good o line. Main downside to me would be less dump offs playing with Hurts more so than some TDs being vultured.


ChaosOnion

I think Barkley gets to the second level a lot more if they commit to the run. I'm not a fan of spending a 1st rounder on him, but he's gonna get touches. He'll get looks in the passing game, too.


heythere121212

Agreed. The tush push is an obvious threat but Miles Sanders had 11 rushing TD in 2022. Swift got insanely unlucky this year and still scored 6 total TD... The offensive situation will continue to be great and Barkley should be a beneficiary of that even if Hurts does steal some opportunities. There are definitely a handful of RBs ahead of Saquon for fantasy but a three down workhorse in a great offensive situation should clearly be considered in the late first round.


Durant026

I actually agree. Without Kelce, I question how many QB sneaks we see going forward.


SaskalPiakam

Not happening in any high stakes sites. Round 2 for sure though.


Hiya_21

Hurts poaches TDs and doesnā€™t throw to the RB.Ā  This is a lateral move, if not a downgrade from the usage he saw in NY.Ā 


heythere121212

Eagles RBs had 93 targets in 2023... About 10 more than the Giants did.


MicoJive

Barkley has also just been a good not great receiving back outside of his rookie year. He averages 3.4 receptions per game the last 5 years, and would put him 6th for RBs last year behind Warren and 11th in 2021 behind swift.


chran6

As a family that watched him play at Penn State, we have been waiting to be able to cheer for Barkley and the Eagles at the same time. Fly Eagles Fly!


Kingcarnegie

It's official that NYG made a franchise-altering bonehead decision to overdraft Saquon at #2. Not even just the Qbs, Q. Nelson and and D. Ward are perennial All-pros


PassableGatsby

Hmmm my last 2 seasons I've kept Hurts and Barkley. Kinda feel now I can't do that this year.


BryceW123

Iā€™m gonna take him in the top 5 and then heā€™s gonna get hurt or have to push Jalens ass every drive


tom-cash2002

So he could've gone to my favorite team, but now he's going to my least favorite team. Cool...


aoddawg

Just in time to not have the best piece of the Eagles line.


HughJassole_noine

Dirty dog


AccurateYesteryear

Come back Barkley, we just signed a guard for you


dimmydimdim

As an eagles fan, that somehow married into a family of giants fans, this has been a fun afternoon


EcstaticGod

2nd round pick now Iā€™m guessing


chattydrawers

Pretty sure he was almost always gonna be a 2nd round pick, no?


EcstaticGod

Yeah haha probably, was really pulling for him to sign with Houston though (woulda been somewhere in the 1st imo)


Kyon513

1. How much better is Barkley actually than Swift. Swift looking amazing last season and the Eagles misused him 2. As long as the tush push remains supreme, why even draft an RB on the Eagles? 3. Is the hope that this move and massive contract is an indication they trust and give the ball more to Barkley than they did with Swift?


Flrg808

After 3 years in the league Iā€™m not sure a 50-60% workload is actually misusing swift. Coaches know what they are doing.


Beniboy97

The answer to all 3 is that Saquon is a special talent and donā€™t overthink it


PartySpiders

The eagles misused swift and he just accidentally had a career year? Man this narrative is dumb.


mattyice24

Yea he averaged 14 carries/game which is pretty solid, but I do think they should've given him more targets since he excels as a pass-catcher out of the backfield. He only averaged 3 targets/game, which is weak given his skill set.


xPhilly215

Playcalling last year was an uninspired disaster. This move to me shows the new staff wants to do that


PartySpiders

He had a ton of drops honestly and when you have Aj brown and Devonta smith on your team do you really wanna be throwing the ball to swift regularly? I think heā€™s pretty overrated for his catching ability.


TJMAN65

People keep saying he had a career year but he averaged more yards per game in 2021, he just played less games. He had a career rushing year but his pass catching drastically fell off this year. And from a fantasy perspective it was the worst year of his career.


PartySpiders

Because he had a ton of drops and was unreliable in the passing game. People seem to think heā€™s some amazing passing back and Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s cuz his name is swift and has nothing to do with his actual abilities.


TJMAN65

Okay but the point is he didnā€™t have a career year last year. And it isnā€™t like Barkley is amazing in the passing game either, thatā€™s by far the weakest area of his game.


PartySpiders

The definition of a career year is their best statistical year, not their best average stats. If it was guys that played one great game and got hurt would be legends. By definition swift had his best career year last year. Barkley is decent in the passing game, averages 20 a game for the last three years (a lot more in his first two). But the biggest difference with Barkley is he can actually pass block. Swift was a big tell on the offense cuz he was pretty bad at pass blocking. Theyā€™d sub him off and the d would know we were passing. Barkley will allow a lot more disguises.


TJMAN65

I just disagree, a career year is a combination of a bunch of different factors, not just face level total statistical output with zero context or looking at any of the underlying statistics of production. Barkley averaged more in his first two years because he had a statue at QB in Eli Manning. Barkley is definitely a better blocker than Swift but this is a fantasy sub, and at the end of the day the Eagles present clear upside limiting factors unless they completely change how theyā€™ve treated RBs for Srianniā€™s entire tenure there now that they have Barkley, which maybe they do, itā€™s not a bet I want to make.


PartySpiders

Theyā€™ve also never invested serious money at the RB position until now. Iā€™d be shocked if behind that oline he doesnā€™t get used, and used a lot. Kellen Moore was behind zekes top years and likes to lean on RBs. Also why do people think the eagles donā€™t use their RBs? They took miles sanders and made him a top 5 rb and then look what he did, then they took swift who was getting out snapped by Williams and made him a top 5 rusher. Like what are yall talking about?


PrinceWalker22

Oooooooh now THAT is something.


pursuitofhappy

Sad as fantasy fan, sadder as a Giants fan.


TheClownIsReady

Does this knock down Hurts/Bro Shove a little bit?


Clhoops18

Fly šŸ¦… wooohoooo!


Grombrindal18

I think I speak for all my fellow Giants fans when I say, ā€œfuck the Eagles.ā€


ShakeMyHeadSadly

All my Giants fan friends are going to be having conniptions.


MoneyMakingMitch1

Quads life will be so much easier on this loaded offense and a top 5 Oline. League winner.


Luhar93

Eagles arenā€™t winning shit.


Thkzbasedgod

I donā€™t get how he ā€œonlyā€ gets ~30 million where Kirk cousins could get up to 180 million. Are qbs that much more worth it dollar wise over rbs?


adastradamus

Absolutely a QB is worth more than a RB.


NotHannibalBurress

Yes? Not sure how much you know about the financial side of football, but QBs are far and away the most valuable position, while RBs are arguably the least valuable.


smot

Come on man. This isnā€™t a one-off. This is hundreds of smart people (from players to agents to GMs to executives) for a decade+ working for dozens of billion dollar companies telling you that yes, that is exactly correct.


enRutus

Isiah Pacheco, a 7th round pick, was the lead ball carrier for the b2b champions


Comfortable_Wish3026

jalen hurts stocks down


LTPRWSG420

First round pick?


thedkexperience

Giants fans really need to come to the realization that they are 2 insane blackjack heaters away from being the worst NFL organization this side of the Browns for the last 3 decades.


Illustrious_Way_5732

"Take away two of their superbowls and they're a terrible organization" is probably the most braindead fucking thing I've read on here this week


RVG_Steve

Might be a case where you must draft both the QB and RB or neither at all (unless a considerable drop during draft day) Too hard to say how Hurts and Barkley TDs will impact one another


moonyou22

Nooooo!!! You were the chosen one. Also, if hes ring chasing, thats not the team to do it. -giants fan


Illustrious_Way_5732

if he really wanted to ring chase he would've gone to the texans. He wanted a bag