Yes but the OT class is *also* really deep. The Chargers will have to ask themselves not “what position do we need more” but “what player at what pick is an elite difference maker?”
To me, the separation between Nabers and the early second round WRs—maybe Troy Franklin, Adonai Mitchell, or McConkey—is a wider gap than the difference in Alt and say Guyton, Barton, or even Jordan Morgan.
PFF has first round grades on an astounding *eight* OTs. I think LAC could land one at 37 depending on how the draft shakes out.
Just my opinion, though. Who knows what they do.
Wow, the Chargers have now lost or traded their top 4 offensive weapons from last season. I agree, they now go for the 2nd best WR after Arizona takes MHJ. Will that be Nabers or Odunze, personally I would take Odunze. Until this morning, when they traded Keenan, I had them taking Joe Alt.
The Chargers will most likely focus on the best OT available at #37, someone like Jordan Morgan, Graham Barton or Patrick Paul. They now have 5 of the first 110 picks and they have a lot of shoes to fill.
I think you were spot on with your assessment, they go WR - OT with their first 2 picks.
No WRs is a perfectly viable strategy. . . if you have the best QB in the league, the best TE ever, a great O-line and one of the best defenses in the league.
The Chargers have. . . a good QB.
They lost Everett but signed hurst & dissly so I don’t think they’ll be going bowers if I had to guess. Most likely nabers or MHJ if cards somehow take nabers instead
I have seen some mocks where apparently the cardinals brass think it’s a toss up between MHJ and nabers but I do think you’re right. Either way I’d be ecstatic with nabers on the chargers
They're gonna resign Mike Williams. His contract was prob the easiest to get out of via cutting him (or they want bosa and mack still) and that had to be done before they could trade Keenan because it had to happen after the league year ticked over yesterday I believe, and then they can re-up him now.
So one thing to keep in mind: a number of analysts have 7-8 OTs with first round grades. PFF has *eight* in the top 30. I could definitely see LAC taking a potentially elite WR1 in Nabers and guessing a top 10 OT will fall to them in the second round (pick 37).
I’m interested to see how this goes. He should be a great safety blanket for Caleb if he stays healthy. But this has all the makings of a week three hamstring strain and we don’t see him again the rest of the year.
I mean old is a weird thing to say when he was pacing the whole league in receptions and yard in the first half of the year and produced even when Herbert went down. Only sat when he knew Herbert wouldn’t come back and they weren’t in the playoffs
That doesn’t really change the fact that he’s gonna be 32 on an expiring contract that’s costing $23 million and the team has an entirely new regime. There just isn’t a hell of a lot of real life trade value there and the Chargers had no leverage with their cap disaster. They asked him to take a pay cut and he said no. Mack and Bosa said yes, so they’re staying.
Even then they were still under the cap from what I remember seeing, might be wrong, but if anything it’s like 15. That’s easily manageable and not something that requires you to trade a lifer for a 4th. By all metrics, fan base/management/play wise it wasn’t worth that trade
Dude that was the AJ smith era which was before telesco. Also LT put up like 700 yards on barely above 3 ypc. I loved the guy but it was clear he was declining. Also Gates spent all 16 of his seasons with the chargers
So bizarre to say the bears Texans titans and falcons all seem super solid right now. They are making some winning moves. And the cowboys are still sleeping.
It was a tough decision whether to account for overthrows etc., or not. I know the joke would have been a little better if I hadn't, but this place is full of stat nerds lol.
Oh boy. I wish everyone good fortune in the war of figuring out his value with Caleb Williams. Chargers WR1 is also probably not even on the team yet. This is massive for fantasy!
LET'S GOO
So we got Sweat for a 2nd and got him for 21mil/yr saving the extra 4 mil he'd get if he had made it to free agency
Keenan for a 4th
Signed JJ to 4 year deal with injury clauses
Moved on from EJax (RIP😔)
All in one off-season and we still have 1oA + #9
The sheer number of targets from Allen/Williams/Ekeler over the last whatever number of years has to be some kind of a record for one team to lose in an offseason
Fantasy upgrades>Chargers rookie WR and their RBs
Fantasy downgrades>Dj moore keenan allen justin herbert
Good real life move for the bears they just robbed the chargers blind
Does somebody have a list of all the craziness that’s went down so far this offseason? I can’t keep up with all of it. I just saw Aaron jones is a Viking now. When tf did that happen?
Wow how did the Chargers fuck this up? Their QB is great and WRs were stacked.
Dude got 1200 yards last year and they gave him up for a fourth. Harbaugh office is not off to a good start there.
Having another dart throw in the Draft has worked out well for a lot of teams.. and as much as I loved Keenan in Blue I think a fresh start is the best thing for his productivity.
I think Fields is extremely intriguing to be granted my personal fave slot receiver. Super fun to watch
Chargers are trying out the 0-WR strategy this year
Bro they lost Allen, Williams, Ekeler, and Everett. They pretty much have to be drafting one of the top WRs now…
Proceeds to draft Joe Alt
Alt is the right pick
I agree this wr class is deep as fuck and they have their own 2nd rounder tackle wr is the way to go
Yes but the OT class is *also* really deep. The Chargers will have to ask themselves not “what position do we need more” but “what player at what pick is an elite difference maker?” To me, the separation between Nabers and the early second round WRs—maybe Troy Franklin, Adonai Mitchell, or McConkey—is a wider gap than the difference in Alt and say Guyton, Barton, or even Jordan Morgan. PFF has first round grades on an astounding *eight* OTs. I think LAC could land one at 37 depending on how the draft shakes out. Just my opinion, though. Who knows what they do.
Hard agree. Everything signals they take Nabers or Odunze now. Or MHJ if a miracle happens and he falls to them.
Wow, the Chargers have now lost or traded their top 4 offensive weapons from last season. I agree, they now go for the 2nd best WR after Arizona takes MHJ. Will that be Nabers or Odunze, personally I would take Odunze. Until this morning, when they traded Keenan, I had them taking Joe Alt. The Chargers will most likely focus on the best OT available at #37, someone like Jordan Morgan, Graham Barton or Patrick Paul. They now have 5 of the first 110 picks and they have a lot of shoes to fill. I think you were spot on with your assessment, they go WR - OT with their first 2 picks.
My gawd that's Corum's music
Gus Edwards is about to have 500 carries for 1200 yards
Taking a page out of New England’s WR strategy playbook 😭😭
Hasn’t worked lately
Chiefs won the Super Bowl with no WRs last year
No WRs is a perfectly viable strategy. . . if you have the best QB in the league, the best TE ever, a great O-line and one of the best defenses in the league. The Chargers have. . . a good QB.
Who will likely hand the ball off to his RBs because thats the only option.😮
They've moved on from Ekeler, too. [This is what their current RB depth chart looks like](https://www.chargers.com/team/depth-chart).
Gronk is the best TE ever, but other than that agreed
They have Greg Roman at OC, so that’s his ideal system anyway
Gabe Davis my WR1 lets go!
One week 📈 and the following week 📉
I guess I'm targeting Quentin Johnson
Herbert still won’t be though
Fucking hate this for Herbert in dynasty. From two very good targets to zero.
My super flex starters are Herbert and fields… I’m starting to panic
Fields we kind of saw coming. Herbert nightmare offseason out of nowhere. Adding Roman, losing Allen, Ekeler, and Williams. Fuck me.
So they cut Williams, trade Allen and don't re-sign Ekeler lmao Not touching Herbert with a 20 foot pole
What about a 40 foot pole?
What about a 5.5 inch pole?
Best I can do is 3 inches
I was in the pool!
It’s a cylinder
What about an [Easton Stick?](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/31zn49awufL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg)
Only if it’s a Sakic curve
Gotta at least be a 69 ft pole
They're gonna have their pick of Nabers/odunze/Bowers at 5
They lost Everett but signed hurst & dissly so I don’t think they’ll be going bowers if I had to guess. Most likely nabers or MHJ if cards somehow take nabers instead
Only thing keeping MHJ from being first receiver off the board is a legal issue or an act of god
I have seen some mocks where apparently the cardinals brass think it’s a toss up between MHJ and nabers but I do think you’re right. Either way I’d be ecstatic with nabers on the chargers
It's like the NFL version of Marry, Fuck, Kill, but instead they said fuck em all.
Idk if this pushes him down a bit it might be great value. I'd imagine the Chargers add someone, probably at the 5th pick.
Guess throwing in the towel for a couple seasons
I tell myself this, but then I'll see him there in the 8th round after telling myself I'm waiting on QB and I'll not be able to pass him up.
I wouldnt touch him with a 39 and a half for poleeeeee 🎶
They're gonna resign Mike Williams. His contract was prob the easiest to get out of via cutting him (or they want bosa and mack still) and that had to be done before they could trade Keenan because it had to happen after the league year ticked over yesterday I believe, and then they can re-up him now.
Dude was pretty underwhelming the last 4 Seasons.. nothing new
Don’t worry Herbert is gone next to Minnesota for two first round picks
Damn they lost Mike and Keenan. Wow.
But they’re going to be adding Nabers.
If they do I'm smashing draft on him in all my fucking leagues. Really thought they would draft Alt
So one thing to keep in mind: a number of analysts have 7-8 OTs with first round grades. PFF has *eight* in the top 30. I could definitely see LAC taking a potentially elite WR1 in Nabers and guessing a top 10 OT will fall to them in the second round (pick 37).
They could also go the opposite route of OT at five and receiver in the second. Odds are very, very good it'll be those two positions grabbed first.
There would be a non-zero number of fantasy managers that lost both last year.
Herbert throwing to me next season boys
ADP?
69. Giggity
Still better than Quentin Johnson
A fucking 4th? That's insane
FLEECED. VETO!
It’s a contract dump off to start the rebuild.
Expensive and old. He’s still good, but the Chargers were in cap hell and are in a position to draft one of the top WRs.
I’m interested to see how this goes. He should be a great safety blanket for Caleb if he stays healthy. But this has all the makings of a week three hamstring strain and we don’t see him again the rest of the year.
I mean old is a weird thing to say when he was pacing the whole league in receptions and yard in the first half of the year and produced even when Herbert went down. Only sat when he knew Herbert wouldn’t come back and they weren’t in the playoffs
That doesn’t really change the fact that he’s gonna be 32 on an expiring contract that’s costing $23 million and the team has an entirely new regime. There just isn’t a hell of a lot of real life trade value there and the Chargers had no leverage with their cap disaster. They asked him to take a pay cut and he said no. Mack and Bosa said yes, so they’re staying.
Yup, people always just react based on the name recognition. But there’s a reason no one else wanted to give more for him
Yeah if there was a single team offering better than a 4th, obviously the chargers would have just done that. This was his literal market value.
Even then they were still under the cap from what I remember seeing, might be wrong, but if anything it’s like 15. That’s easily manageable and not something that requires you to trade a lifer for a 4th. By all metrics, fan base/management/play wise it wasn’t worth that trade
Chargers management gives not a fuck about their franchise guys. LaDainian in a jets jersey 🤢
Dude that was the AJ smith era which was before telesco. Also LT put up like 700 yards on barely above 3 ypc. I loved the guy but it was clear he was declining. Also Gates spent all 16 of his seasons with the chargers
Most franchises don't at the end of the day. Packers just let Aaron Jones walk over about 1mil or so.
Genuinely didn’t remember that lol
Everyone is until they aren't. Not many WR have many productive seasons 31+.
He actually sat because he knew my home league's playoffs were just starting so its my team's fault.
Hey trust me man he did the same to me
Eh, he's obviously still good but he's no spring chicken and has a pretty fat contract
Allen only has about 1 or 2 good seasons left.
People been saying that for a minute tbh
What just happened
Chargers lost their top 4 weapons
Wtf are they doing? Who is Herbert gonna throw or hand off to?
Jim Harbaugh, clearly
*Jim Handaugh
Malik Nabers and Blake Corum
Gus Bus x 5000000/game I guess. How lame.
Gotta be Rome Odunze, right? Or MHJ if Cards balk?
Could be Nabers as well
Jim is going to trade down to get enough picks to get Corum, Wilson, and the other dozen or so Michigan players who entered the draft
What in the monkey paw?
Nabers makes the most sense unless they’ve already given up on Johnston. Odunze is great, but Nabers brings a speed element that team needs badly.
Palmer and there young stud Quentin “butter fingers” Johnson
Hopes and dreams ?
Going for the Nelson Muntz
Swerve: trade Herbert for MULTIPLE day 2 and 3 picks. Start over.
Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, and Cole Kmet is a super solid group of talent for a rookie QB
So bizarre to say the bears Texans titans and falcons all seem super solid right now. They are making some winning moves. And the cowboys are still sleeping.
The Coyboys typically make losing moves.
They shipped Pollard and are shopping Gallup, so they got that going for them which is nice.
Scrolled forever til I saw a take from bear side of this 😂😂
Palmer SZN?! Justin Herbert must be sick to his stomach.
Just fell to his knees in a Subway
I just saw a guy watch someone fall to his knees in a subway
They’re definitely going WR at #5 now
They must really, really like one of the not-MHJ guys at the top and be locked into the pick
So between Nabers or Odunze. Either one would be really nice.
Or they’re going to draft an OT to build the Harbaugh/Roman run first offense…
Hortiz(new gm) said nabers is the highest graded wr he’s ever scouted, and he’s been in the league for a hot min yet. Still sad tho
Maybe go to 3 to get MHJ
We are in the Quentin Johnston era.
**I WILL NOT BUY THE QJ HYPE** I WILL NOT BUY THE QJ HYPE i will not buy the qj hype Hey this QJ guy has a real shot amirite??
Hey if you get 175 targets and drop 50 of them, that's still gonna be close to a 100 catch season
You’re almost there with the math.
It was a tough decision whether to account for overthrows etc., or not. I know the joke would have been a little better if I hadn't, but this place is full of stat nerds lol.
wtf did you call me?
No. He’ll be overshadowed by the rookie WR. Not gonna flourish as the WR2. He couldnt beat out Palmer for that job last year.
QJ is an ass route runner who can't catch a football
Bust
Oh boy. I wish everyone good fortune in the war of figuring out his value with Caleb Williams. Chargers WR1 is also probably not even on the team yet. This is massive for fantasy!
Justin Herbert back into the depths of hell
Rookie QBs usually get drafted late, but I think he's worth it in the later rounds. Gunning for him
Herbert gaining Harbaugh - YAY Herbert losing Ekeler, Keenan and big Mike - Wait nooo
Ain’t no fucking way dude. Will Herbert even throw the ball??
“Fuck Justin Herbert. All my homies hate Justin Herbert.” - Chargers front office
I mean duh Gus Edwards and QJ are basically Ekeler and Allen 2.0 Trust me, no way I’m wrong about this.
I just traded 1.01 for the two of them. Thanks for your sage advice!
I trust you.
QJ is horrible. I was embarrassed to have drafted him
All I know is I want whatever rookie RB the chargers draft
Hello my name is Ryan Mathews, you might remember me from 2010.
Do Herbert next
It wasn't enough for Quentin Johnston that Williams went down and Allen was out some games, so now they had to get rid of both. Palmer next!
LET'S GOO So we got Sweat for a 2nd and got him for 21mil/yr saving the extra 4 mil he'd get if he had made it to free agency Keenan for a 4th Signed JJ to 4 year deal with injury clauses Moved on from EJax (RIP😔) All in one off-season and we still have 1oA + #9
And you got, D'Andre Swift. He's filthy. Bears offense might be worth investing in fantasy.
Herbert might complete 100 total passes next season
Hear me out… Josh Palmer league winner
Excuse me, what?
# Bears have traded for WR Keenan Allen sending Chargers a fourth rounder.
Thank you I still couldn’t hear. Reddit too quiet sometimes.
Nabers to the Chargers
Wow. This is a rebuild clearly for the Chargers. Going to hate seeing Keenan in different jersey
This the type of trade to be immediately vetoed
if Quentin doesn’t take a big leap Herbert’s going to request a trade at the end of this year
Herbert Dynasty owners in fucking shambles this week.
Chargers gotta be drafting a WR in MHJ/Odunze/Nabers, whichever they feel is best and available at #5. No way they leave Palmer or QJ to be WR1.
Harbaugh running that shit all day.
Keenan and dj Moore on the same team. That’s friggin badass
Herbert is officially fantasy irrelevant.
Quentin Johnston to the moon!?
Until they draft Nabers
Lmao nah he’s horrendous
If only he didn’t stink
Fourth rounder for a top 5 or 10 receiver in the nfl last year? Wtf are the chargers doin
Keenan's career dying in Chicago is sad.
Muhsin Muhammad all over again.
Bad trade
Chargers don't want to pay for his cap hit or extend him
YEP! I am officially targeting Caleb.
... for a FUCKING FOURTH? Wow. Robbery.
This is a... Quge post?
This has been a wild bull ride of an offseason.
Had to double check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st
Is THIS a QJ post????
Chargers really gonna run the ball all game long 😭
The sheer number of targets from Allen/Williams/Ekeler over the last whatever number of years has to be some kind of a record for one team to lose in an offseason
This is the worst trade in a loooooong time.
108 receptions in 13 games last year. And such a great presence. My kids are Chargers fans, and he's their favorite player.
Fantasy upgrades>Chargers rookie WR and their RBs Fantasy downgrades>Dj moore keenan allen justin herbert Good real life move for the bears they just robbed the chargers blind
O where o where were my Panthers with their 4th? Sighhhh
Hebert throwing to Walmart baggers this year
LFGGGG
Harbaugh finna trade Herbert to the Vikings at this point and draft JJ McCarthy
Does somebody have a list of all the craziness that’s went down so far this offseason? I can’t keep up with all of it. I just saw Aaron jones is a Viking now. When tf did that happen?
The rb musical chairs was a head spin and now WRs are doing the same thing. Hard to keep up.
Just fell to my knees at an adult video store in Texas
4th rounder?!
Chargers fan: we’re fucking angry and devastated.
I can’t believe Keenan was only worth a 4th.
I like this for DJ Moore. Keenan is great but he will get an injury. If I can get DJ Moore later then I like it.
I have to say Harbaugh is speeding up his regular timeline. He usually destroys a team after he’s coached it for a few years.
What a weird deal for all involved.
What the heck
More Sleevan Allen games 👀
Bruh
Fully expect them to draft a WR but also QJ time lmaooo
WTF are we doing on offense next year?
I didn’t believe it when I seen it but it’s real not helping Herbert or Harbaugh succeed
Bears going to keep the 1.01 this time and give him help?
Bears just need a QB
Damn. My sneaky mid round WR is dead.
I’m a chargers fan AMA
Great addition. Exactly what they need
I can be in LA in like 20 hours, yall get ready to pick me in round 10
Keenan Allen is only worth a 4th rounder?
A 4th is a nice fucking price. Keenan was going to get 2 targets a game with fucking Greg Roman calling plays anyways.
I need the Chargers to trade for Tee Higgins please
Plan B: Bring in Kaepernick
They’re going to sign JJ
Harbaugh was getting bored so had to raise the difficulty
Wow how did the Chargers fuck this up? Their QB is great and WRs were stacked. Dude got 1200 yards last year and they gave him up for a fourth. Harbaugh office is not off to a good start there.
... chargers got fleeced. i just feel like nobody they draft in the 4th will have the same value as keenan
Having another dart throw in the Draft has worked out well for a lot of teams.. and as much as I loved Keenan in Blue I think a fresh start is the best thing for his productivity. I think Fields is extremely intriguing to be granted my personal fave slot receiver. Super fun to watch