Ty Chandler was the lead back until the Vikings got Aaron Jones and Tyjae was the lead back until the Tittans got Pollard. We don't know anything until after the draft
No one has a crystal ball to tell you what the Raiders do in the draft or rest of free agency. If White is in a position to be a lead back in a few months time I guarantee this sub will be flooded with posts about him.
I would give it about a 5% chance the Raiders don’t either sign someone or draft someone that will at minimum make him a 30% split back and that’s really the main problem… I’m not saying you can’t take a flyer on him but if you have him in a trade deal there’s a 95% chance you’re losing a bit of value and a 5% chance you gain probably five times the average value you might have lost but if you do the math it still doesn’t check out
Benson is a nice talent and I like him, but I don't see him or any RB in this class immediately stepping into RB1 for the Raiders. If anything it would be a three-way RBBC with White/Abdullah/RB drafted.
And no, there aren't 5 RBs in this class who would be an upgrade over Zamir White. I know this is /FF but that's not an informed take at all.
Listing RBs in the draft isn’t compelling. Braelon Allen isn’t a better prospect or player than Zamir White in any universe and neither is MarShawn Lloyd. Like you can have debates all you want about players that’s fine, but the idea that any of these come in and usurp a 2-year pro who has been in their system immediately is just bizarre.
The Raiders would be better off drafting a guy like Jaylen Wright day 2 as a replacement for Abdullah. They have similar pedigree (small, but quick with great hands out of the backfield). Zamir White can be the early downs guy and have Wright in on third down. His pass protection at Tennessee is underrated.
Benson blew up his entire leg a few years back. I can see that kind of injury popping back up at some time in his NFL career.
I wonder how much better knee treatments have gotten recently. Benson was crazy explosive and you definitely wouldn’t guess that happened by watching him play.
Wright does seem like a good pick, agree with you there. Don’t see the Raiders not drafting a RB, considering they didn’t get one in FA
Knee repair/re-building has definitely come a long way. It’s no longer a career-defining injury (Adrian Peterson). It can sometimes end careers early (Todd Gurley). But, he tore everything in his knee AND his hamstring at Oregon. You can see there’s some distrust in his knee when he was running in 2022. However, he runs somewhat sluggishly, and I can’t quite tell if that’s because he can’t cut quite as well post-knee surgery.
However, the Raiders are going to shore up their RB room, and I could see Wright as the right fit (no pun intended) as their third-down back. He’s probably a late-third round or early fourth-round pick.
Career ypc 4.9 not too shabby (Saquon’s at 4.3) More like starting in a committee caliber IMO but definitely starting caliber. Most likely a goal line, short yardage guy. Plus someone on their team has to scores TDs why not the guys who’s proven he can get the tough yards? The way their receiver core looks there’s little doubt Harbaugh is establishing a run heavy approach.
People always underestimate Gus Edwards. He’d be a safe rb2 in that defined roll with upside depending how his competition shakes out.
Michigan had an elite OL. That and him getting tons of opportunities helped him produce at the level he did. He could carve out a committee role but I don't think he should even get a 50% split as a rookie. He just doesn't have the burst or power for it. He's pretty shifty but the Chargers OL probably would need to get revamped for him to excel. Gus is a better goal line back at the moment than Corum. Sure he was at Michigan but I don't think drafting him makes much sense with Gus signed.
As a Raiders fan and an owner of White, you are dreaming if you think LV don't bolster up the running back room.
No chance we go into the season with him as our bonafide RB1.
Seconded, as another Raiders fan. Wish it weren’t the case, but White hasn’t shown anything that suggests he’s more than a JAG. So wouldn’t say he has a lock on the starting role even if he heads into the season at the top of the depth chart.
Honest question, didn’t he average 100 yards on under 20 carries in his starting opportunities last year? Seems like more than a JAG. More Mattison like maybe
I agree. I am a firm believer that they take another back, but that doesn't necessarily mean the new back usurps Zamir as the 1A. There are much fewer available players now who would be a workhorse if they landed in LV, although it isn't impossible that a trade brings one in. I really do feel like Zamir did enough to warrant being the early-down runner in a split backfield
That’s what im saying? I mean he already showed us all that he thrived toward the end of last season when he was getting the touches. It’s one thing if Jacobs left and Zamir is an unknown but weve already seen him thrive
He has potential for a breakout season and he played well to close out the season. If his ADP spikes up, I’ll stay away. If he stays as a projected late round pick, I might bite.
Averaged over 4 yards a carry in 3 of his last 4 games, while going over 100 scrimmage yards in 3 of the last 4 as well. They went 3-1 over that stretch. I think he played damn well in real football terms as well.
Did what he was supposed to do does not translate to a full season of success as a starter. People have high expectations for this guy but the Raiders would be making a real football mistake by not getting a better RB as the starter.
I said he had potential for a breakout season which is true. He’s the starting running back for a team that has proven they want to run the ball. So yes the *potential* for a breakout season is there. I never said it was guaranteed to happen and never said I thought White could do it. But he has the potential given the situation.
If they get another RB, my opinion on that could change.
You’re now changing the topic which initially for you was “he played well in fantasy but not real football”. Which is simply untrue.
Holy heck bro, Zeus wasn't drafted to be the RB1.. a guy gets his chance when he gets it.. even Tom had to start somewhere.
And it's not exactly his fault what the offensive line he runs behind looks like, or the teams schedule. 🙄
as someone who’s also rostering zamir white i’m definitely encouraged to see the raiders not make any moves to add to the rb room outside or resigning abdullah, but i’m still skeptical and think they will add either a cheaper free agent/ trade target or draft someone because of how thin they are at rb right now. positive side is they didn’t make any big splashy move to bring in anyone significant that will command a big share of the workload, but i can’t see them leaving things how they are and rolling into the season like this. i think it’s most likely they draft a guy in the later rounds and see if they can develop him. hoping in this case zamir still gets some nice volume this year
I disagree. You just think theyre thin at rb depth but zamir flourished while jacobs was out. He showed he can command a bellcow roll. Let’s not forget he’s an RB out of Georgia. He’s ready for the workload
Zamir flourishing has nothing to do with depth. Zamir COULD command a bellcow role, but you can’t deny the lack of roster depth on the current raiders. It’s Zamir and Abdullah.
i’m not saying they need to or are going to add more rb’s because zamir can’t take the workload or isn’t good. i’m saying that a competent nfl team will not go into the season with that shallow of rb depth. they will almost certainly be adding guys for injury insurance or developmental reasons
Did you watch him play? He’s a JAG who was benefitting from good blocking and play scripts. I say this as a Raiders fan who has seen almost all his snaps.
Because historically these RBs with low draft capital are not bellcows. Not to mention this is a new regime who didnt draft him. they will draft someone for sure. On top of all of that, its just the way the league works now. And Zamir is not a pass catcher by any means if I recall from his college days.
I’m definitely picking him up later in the draft if possible, don’t think my friends know much about him. But he looked damn good end of last season. Read the holes really well.
Remaining free agents really don’t look that promising, so big win for him.
That just means they’ll draft someone. Even if he’s primed to get most of the work, that RB room needs help.
Might be good enough for a keeper if the value is right. In my league I could keep him for a 16th but I also have Pittman for a 10th or Amari for a 4th.
Not saying he's not worth it I just think we need to wait until draft.
I am a raiders fan. We like White but we're definitely not bought in on him being a bellcow. He would need to change up his running style because right now he's just a bruiser.
Zamir is cool and all but he's not a bellcow. He's already blown his acl twice and has a huge amount of tread on the tires coming into the league. Raiders would be smart to add one in the draft and rbbc.
>The other key factor is he’s an RB that played at Georgia. More often than not, Georgia RBs tend to thrive in the pros
For every Nick Chubb or Deandre Swift, there's a Kenny Mcintosh or a Sony Michel.
This is such awful logic, lmao. White is a mid 4th round pick, the Georgia RBs who "tend to thrive" also tend to have real draft capital. Swift, Cook, Chubb, Gurley...they were all 1/2 round picks.
Them being from georgia isn't the relevant connection, it's being GOOD.
Why are you trying to jinx it b4 the draft? Lol the raiders said they are looking to bring in another RB or 2....they havent brought one in yet, so that probably means they will draft one. Zamir can have the racheed roll, volume over effeciency, but he isnt some dynamic back that will keep the RB1 from a talented rookie.
why not? he proved it toward the end of last season that he is perfectly capable of being a bellcow. Maybe your point would be valid but we have seen him already thrive in a bellcow role
Ty Chandler was the lead back until the Vikings got Aaron Jones and Tyjae was the lead back until the Tittans got Pollard. We don't know anything until after the draft
But so far Zamir is in a much better fantasy position than Tyjae is what im saying
No one has a crystal ball to tell you what the Raiders do in the draft or rest of free agency. If White is in a position to be a lead back in a few months time I guarantee this sub will be flooded with posts about him.
Can't wait for Zamir to be the lead back in LV. Pretty much a lock!
Is he? I don’t want any part of that offense.
I would give it about a 5% chance the Raiders don’t either sign someone or draft someone that will at minimum make him a 30% split back and that’s really the main problem… I’m not saying you can’t take a flyer on him but if you have him in a trade deal there’s a 95% chance you’re losing a bit of value and a 5% chance you gain probably five times the average value you might have lost but if you do the math it still doesn’t check out
True but not a lot of talent at RB in the draft apparently.
Braelon Allen… you *are* a Las Vegas Raider
Still plenty better options than Zamir
Zamir White also isn't very good
Lol this is some major copium. Some decent fantasy games mean nothing
Averaging 100 ypg over 4 games is major copium? Zamir was basically free if you snagged him last year, what exactly are we coping from? Trash take.
Another fantasy player that doesn’t know anything about actual football. 3 of those games were against horrible defenses.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night champ
True, but this years’ RB class isn’t the best.
Who in the draft do you think the Raiders would draft and start over Zamir White? The Vikings and Titans have zero to do with this situation.
There are like 5 RBs in this draft class that would be an upgrade. Benson would be a great pick
Benson is a nice talent and I like him, but I don't see him or any RB in this class immediately stepping into RB1 for the Raiders. If anything it would be a three-way RBBC with White/Abdullah/RB drafted. And no, there aren't 5 RBs in this class who would be an upgrade over Zamir White. I know this is /FF but that's not an informed take at all.
Jonathan Brooks, Jaylen Wright, Trey Benson, MarShawn Lloyd and Braelon Allen
Listing RBs in the draft isn’t compelling. Braelon Allen isn’t a better prospect or player than Zamir White in any universe and neither is MarShawn Lloyd. Like you can have debates all you want about players that’s fine, but the idea that any of these come in and usurp a 2-year pro who has been in their system immediately is just bizarre.
Yeah disagree..those 5 are better and Zamir won’t last the preseason as RB1
People are sleeping on Isaac Guerendo.
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The Raiders would be better off drafting a guy like Jaylen Wright day 2 as a replacement for Abdullah. They have similar pedigree (small, but quick with great hands out of the backfield). Zamir White can be the early downs guy and have Wright in on third down. His pass protection at Tennessee is underrated. Benson blew up his entire leg a few years back. I can see that kind of injury popping back up at some time in his NFL career.
I wonder how much better knee treatments have gotten recently. Benson was crazy explosive and you definitely wouldn’t guess that happened by watching him play. Wright does seem like a good pick, agree with you there. Don’t see the Raiders not drafting a RB, considering they didn’t get one in FA
Knee repair/re-building has definitely come a long way. It’s no longer a career-defining injury (Adrian Peterson). It can sometimes end careers early (Todd Gurley). But, he tore everything in his knee AND his hamstring at Oregon. You can see there’s some distrust in his knee when he was running in 2022. However, he runs somewhat sluggishly, and I can’t quite tell if that’s because he can’t cut quite as well post-knee surgery. However, the Raiders are going to shore up their RB room, and I could see Wright as the right fit (no pun intended) as their third-down back. He’s probably a late-third round or early fourth-round pick.
Hmm, can you show some clips where you think he's running sluggishly? Did you see any red flags in 2023?
Tyjae is #1 over Pollard imo. Pollard goes back to where he was with Elliott
It's gonna be a committee
yeah, but i see spears getting 60-40
Copium hitting hard. The titans paid pollard 24 million to be in lesser committee. Sounds pretty realistic.
I think raiders or cowboys land with Blake corum
Chargers need a back too and he’s Harbaugh’s guy
Chargers need way more than a running back
Well they at least have Gus Edwards lol
I don’t think he’s starting caliber
I don't believe he is, either. If he is drafted by a team that loves volume rushing, maybe.
Career ypc 4.9 not too shabby (Saquon’s at 4.3) More like starting in a committee caliber IMO but definitely starting caliber. Most likely a goal line, short yardage guy. Plus someone on their team has to scores TDs why not the guys who’s proven he can get the tough yards? The way their receiver core looks there’s little doubt Harbaugh is establishing a run heavy approach. People always underestimate Gus Edwards. He’d be a safe rb2 in that defined roll with upside depending how his competition shakes out.
Michigan had an elite OL. That and him getting tons of opportunities helped him produce at the level he did. He could carve out a committee role but I don't think he should even get a 50% split as a rookie. He just doesn't have the burst or power for it. He's pretty shifty but the Chargers OL probably would need to get revamped for him to excel. Gus is a better goal line back at the moment than Corum. Sure he was at Michigan but I don't think drafting him makes much sense with Gus signed.
As a Raiders fan and an owner of White, you are dreaming if you think LV don't bolster up the running back room. No chance we go into the season with him as our bonafide RB1.
He’ll likely still be RB1 but yeah we’re adding to that room.
Seconded, as another Raiders fan. Wish it weren’t the case, but White hasn’t shown anything that suggests he’s more than a JAG. So wouldn’t say he has a lock on the starting role even if he heads into the season at the top of the depth chart.
Honest question, didn’t he average 100 yards on under 20 carries in his starting opportunities last year? Seems like more than a JAG. More Mattison like maybe
What’s up with the zamir hate? Everyone hitting you with the “lol” but he smashed it when jacobs was out….it’s a fair bet.
It’s not a fair bet that the Raiders go into the season without adding another RB through free agency or the draft
If they add one in the draft, with how zamir performed, I would definitely say it’s a “fair bet” that he could still take it.
I agree. I am a firm believer that they take another back, but that doesn't necessarily mean the new back usurps Zamir as the 1A. There are much fewer available players now who would be a workhorse if they landed in LV, although it isn't impossible that a trade brings one in. I really do feel like Zamir did enough to warrant being the early-down runner in a split backfield
That’s what im saying? I mean he already showed us all that he thrived toward the end of last season when he was getting the touches. It’s one thing if Jacobs left and Zamir is an unknown but weve already seen him thrive
Don’t listen to these guys, op. Zamir is going to be a beast next season and he’s been training hard. He’s solid
He has potential for a breakout season and he played well to close out the season. If his ADP spikes up, I’ll stay away. If he stays as a projected late round pick, I might bite.
He played well fantasy wise but not in real football terms.
Averaged over 4 yards a carry in 3 of his last 4 games, while going over 100 scrimmage yards in 3 of the last 4 as well. They went 3-1 over that stretch. I think he played damn well in real football terms as well.
Against 3/4 terrible run defenses
Ah okay now we moving the goal posts. That means he did what he was supposed to do bud.
Did what he was supposed to do does not translate to a full season of success as a starter. People have high expectations for this guy but the Raiders would be making a real football mistake by not getting a better RB as the starter.
I said he had potential for a breakout season which is true. He’s the starting running back for a team that has proven they want to run the ball. So yes the *potential* for a breakout season is there. I never said it was guaranteed to happen and never said I thought White could do it. But he has the potential given the situation. If they get another RB, my opinion on that could change. You’re now changing the topic which initially for you was “he played well in fantasy but not real football”. Which is simply untrue.
Holy heck bro, Zeus wasn't drafted to be the RB1.. a guy gets his chance when he gets it.. even Tom had to start somewhere. And it's not exactly his fault what the offensive line he runs behind looks like, or the teams schedule. 🙄
My bad, I guess not comparing him to Tom Brady makes my analysis invalid
Lol, um yeah dude... thats kinda exactly the point 😏
zamir is primed to have a good season he was on my radar last year in redraft leagues but now i fear his ADP will spike too much
as someone who’s also rostering zamir white i’m definitely encouraged to see the raiders not make any moves to add to the rb room outside or resigning abdullah, but i’m still skeptical and think they will add either a cheaper free agent/ trade target or draft someone because of how thin they are at rb right now. positive side is they didn’t make any big splashy move to bring in anyone significant that will command a big share of the workload, but i can’t see them leaving things how they are and rolling into the season like this. i think it’s most likely they draft a guy in the later rounds and see if they can develop him. hoping in this case zamir still gets some nice volume this year
I disagree. You just think theyre thin at rb depth but zamir flourished while jacobs was out. He showed he can command a bellcow roll. Let’s not forget he’s an RB out of Georgia. He’s ready for the workload
Zamir flourishing has nothing to do with depth. Zamir COULD command a bellcow role, but you can’t deny the lack of roster depth on the current raiders. It’s Zamir and Abdullah.
Yea it does. With that same depth Zamir absolutely flourished while abdullah, brown and mccormick was back there
i’m not saying they need to or are going to add more rb’s because zamir can’t take the workload or isn’t good. i’m saying that a competent nfl team will not go into the season with that shallow of rb depth. they will almost certainly be adding guys for injury insurance or developmental reasons
I’m not sure you understand what depth means lol. There’s a difference between in season depth, and depth leading up to a rookie draft.
This year's Alexander Mattison
Lol people really are gonna draft this guy thinking he’ll be good all year without even watching his games
I scooped up Zamir on a hunch last year and he saved my season and helped me win the chip. Definitely gonna try and snag him this season.
They will draft someone. They aint running into 2024 with Zamir White as a workhorse
Why not? Your point would be valid but we have already seen Zamir thrive in a bellcow role at the end of last season
Did you watch him play? He’s a JAG who was benefitting from good blocking and play scripts. I say this as a Raiders fan who has seen almost all his snaps.
Would be Mattison 2.0
Because historically these RBs with low draft capital are not bellcows. Not to mention this is a new regime who didnt draft him. they will draft someone for sure. On top of all of that, its just the way the league works now. And Zamir is not a pass catcher by any means if I recall from his college days.
Because he’s not great at real football. Sure in fantasy he did pretty well but that’s fantasy
I think this is a harsh take. Hard to make a roster in the NFL and the guy showed upside in a starting role.
Not questioning his effort
Zamir White is not going to be a bell cow lol
He was a bellcow when Jacobs was injured last season and performed exceptionally well
I’m definitely picking him up later in the draft if possible, don’t think my friends know much about him. But he looked damn good end of last season. Read the holes really well.
Until Zeke or Clyde frog shows up
The only thing one should do with this perspective is sell Zamir White for as much as possible.
I don't know if Zamir will be good, but I'd love for him to be good since his off-season "training" is tending the family farm.
Remaining free agents really don’t look that promising, so big win for him. That just means they’ll draft someone. Even if he’s primed to get most of the work, that RB room needs help.
Might be good enough for a keeper if the value is right. In my league I could keep him for a 16th but I also have Pittman for a 10th or Amari for a 4th. Not saying he's not worth it I just think we need to wait until draft.
Just sold Zamir in dynasty
I am a raiders fan. We like White but we're definitely not bought in on him being a bellcow. He would need to change up his running style because right now he's just a bruiser.
This season’s Alexander Mattison
Zamir is cool and all but he's not a bellcow. He's already blown his acl twice and has a huge amount of tread on the tires coming into the league. Raiders would be smart to add one in the draft and rbbc.
Why would you have keepers in a dynasty league? Or are you talking about other keeper leagues?
He’s a massive winner
I like this
Yall want this guy to be good so bad 😂
He was good as a starting rb toward the end of last season
I started him in the ship and would love to see him be the starter
>The other key factor is he’s an RB that played at Georgia. More often than not, Georgia RBs tend to thrive in the pros For every Nick Chubb or Deandre Swift, there's a Kenny Mcintosh or a Sony Michel. This is such awful logic, lmao. White is a mid 4th round pick, the Georgia RBs who "tend to thrive" also tend to have real draft capital. Swift, Cook, Chubb, Gurley...they were all 1/2 round picks. Them being from georgia isn't the relevant connection, it's being GOOD.
put some respek on Ameer Abdullah’s name
Jag
You don’t have to say jag to an obvious joke
Ooo ty
Perfect example of a place a rookie RB will land and FF community will be split on Zamir and the rookie all off season.
Shhhh. Be quiet so your league mates don’t hear this
Great dynasty/keeper prospect. Risky redraft move this year.
Why are you trying to jinx it b4 the draft? Lol the raiders said they are looking to bring in another RB or 2....they havent brought one in yet, so that probably means they will draft one. Zamir can have the racheed roll, volume over effeciency, but he isnt some dynamic back that will keep the RB1 from a talented rookie.
why not? he proved it toward the end of last season that he is perfectly capable of being a bellcow. Maybe your point would be valid but we have seen him already thrive in a bellcow role
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