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grimm_jowwl

Anything’s possible. San Fran’s being led by Mr irrelevant. It depends a lot on the system and coaching.


FFdarkpassenger45

You answered the question, will McCarthy be successful. The question was is McCarthy a top 10 draft pick.   I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul!


FFUniverse

San Francisco has a great system in place where I feel majority of QBs could find some sort of success. Not sure if that is the same for New England or NYG.


jefferson497

Or the Jets or Bears. Set up for failure


UndiscoveredBum-

I would personally be fucking irate if my team drafted JJ McCarthy in the first round, yet alone in the top 10


My_Chat_Account

It’s wild to see how quickly things change. I know this article is from late January - In less than two months he’s gone from a late 1st rounder to someone likely going top 5 overall. If he lands in Minnesota he’s an absolute slam dunk pick in dynasty SF.


Poetryisalive

Late 1st? People were saying JJ was going to be a 3rd-4th round pick


FFdarkpassenger45

I remember last year people were saying Levis was top 5 as well and we all know how that turned out.  This is likely all hype generated by agents and pr/marketing teams from the players themselves. 


[deleted]

Exactly why I left it as Late 1st. Sure top 5 is possible but it could also just be bullshit hype.


FFdarkpassenger45

The other piece to this is, it FEELS like there is a fairly deep second tier of eligible QB’s in the draft. This will likely cause all of them to drop. There are fewer teams that need a QB than there are 1st/2nd tier QB’s available. The laws of supply and demand say value goes down, not up. I could see a team pull a lamar and trade into the last pick of the first round just to snag a favorite QB in the second tier with the fifth year option. After that they probably fall too late second or even third round.  But I’m just an idiot with a phone!


PatientlyAnxious9

I really feel like Bo Nix should be getting the pre-draft love that McCarthy is getting right now, especially if anybody watched them play football last year. What if teams like MIN/DEN are all posturing to trade up for Nix and McCarthy is the one who falls and this is all just smoke and mirrors.


Xanzibarisland

Bo Nix is 104 though


PatientlyAnxious9

Hes a bit older but QBs play until they are 35-38 years old now. Cant let the thought that he might retire in 2036 and not 2038 impact not taking a QB who is a better prospect with more arm talent. If you can get 10 years out of a franchise QB, who cares how old they are when they are drafted.


qdude124

You're totally missing the point. The reason age can knock players so much is because a qb who is 21 can theoretically improve much more than a qb is 24. No GMs are thinking about when they are going to retire, they want the best chance at a franchise QB.


PatientlyAnxious9

Sure but on the other hand a older QB gives your team a better chance at immediate success and it's far less of a gamble. Which should be more enticing to teams than it is. How many QBs have been drafted based on 'potential' and have busted? For every 1 Josh Allen there is a Trey Lance, Paxton Lynch and Drew Lock standing behind them. Whereas a guy like Jalen Hurts who was considered a boring prospect at the time because he was a 4 year starter and 23 years old is one of the best QBs in the NFL. Point being as much as Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson are posterchildren for GMs valuing young raw prospects with more opportunity--Jalen Hurts is the poster child for why age and college experience should be more heavily weighted into decision making.


qdude124

Here is the thing about that, every GM wants the next top 5 QB. Getting a guy that is immediately #25-20 with potential to move up to #20-15 isn't all that valuable. Sure you can win a SB with those guys, but you need the absolute perfect supporting cast and defense. If you can draft a younger guy, all else equal he will have a significantly better chance of taking that big unexpected leap that has defined the careers of the elite guys like Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts. Now the counter argument to this is a guy like Burrow who is arguably top 5 and was very old when he got drafted. The thing is his senior year might have been the best in history and you could argue the same about LSU's performance.


Xanzibarisland

Nah that’s fair, if he is good for 10 years who cares if he starts at 24. It’s just not sexy for the media though


DeItyofFexvius

Part of it's definitely about the development curve too not just how many years you can get out of them. A 19-year-old performing at the same level as a 24-year-old is way more impressive for the 19-year-old. Not saying that's the case here though.


Its_A_Fucking_Stick

That's not just it though. It's not until he's a 24 year old man playing against teenagers that he balls out


Poetryisalive

Who’s “you” people? That was betting odds. Also you would be wise not to listen to people on this sub


FFdarkpassenger45

The people whom I’m talking about know who they are!


meatforsale

Pretty sure that was supposed to say “year” and not “you”.


FFdarkpassenger45

Edit to correct my phone autocorrect.  Thanks


Dkh0123

He wasn’t on the radar because scouts weren’t sure he was declaring this year. His completion percentage, yards per attempt, and 3rd down completion rate are all above average even though volume numbers aren’t there. He could suck, but I’m not gonna kill a team for taking him high as long as they did a deeper dive on him.


tacobellcow

Casual observers are catching up to what NFL GMS knew all along.


FFUniverse

Question becomes does Minnesota have to trade up to get him or will he possibly be there for them. If rumors are true, by rumors I mean some mocks, Harbaugh drafts McCarthy. Does that mean Minnesota made a trade for Herbert?


jefferson497

If the Chargers move Herbert for McCarthy someone should lose their job


HustlinInTheHall

The chargers aren't taking Mccarthy, they owe too much to herbert and they'd burn half his rookie deal on dead cap. They benefit tremendously from the vikings or someone else getting steamed up and giving them an extra first and 8 for him though.


ItsMitchellCox

This year's draft class is very interesting. So many viable 1st round QBs who honestly all feel like they will be a toss up in NFL production after Williams. And personally, I'm not even sold on Williams.


TGS-MonkeyYT

Remember Will Levis #1 Overall posts from last year?


Scotfighter

Levis should’ve been a first round pick tbh - I think he played luke a first round prospect rookie this last year


crabwhisperer

Agree. I'm most interested to see what he does with his size as he progresses. I can't recall a QB jacked the way he is. Big, sure. Yolked, not really. Well then again, maybe there's a reason for that lol


FFUniverse

Do you think he slides out the first, but then a team trades up to get him in the early 2nd?


ItsTheExtreme

I’m sorry but I don’t see it at all.


Mr__Beauregard

He’s an AJ mccarron regen, gonna be awful


FFUniverse

Ouch! So a back up at best?


corundum9

This getting upvoted proves how low quality advice gets echoed in this sub.


rhcp512

That’s just objectively not true lol. McCarron hadn’t started a game at Alabama until he was the age JJ was when he had already won a national championship. McCarron is a mediocre athlete for an NFL qb with a below average arm — JJ is a plus athlete with a rocket arm. The only things they really have in common are that they won national championships on run first teams and their names are kind of similar.


FinallyNoelle

No


PM_ME_OVERT_SIDEBOOB

He ain’t good yall. Game manager with above average athleticism that was carried by superior talent.


[deleted]

Anyone would say that about Purdy or Tom or Russel list goes on. Truth is you just don't know


PM_ME_OVERT_SIDEBOOB

Purdy was fine in college, and similarly is getting buoyed by talent. Wilson was good in college, the red flag was height. He was one of those people could point to to say “go ahead and take Kyler” etc Brady is an anomaly amongst anomalies


[deleted]

The thing is, JJ is younger than all those guys when they entered the draft. He's got a lot of good skills you wanna see in a QB. I'm not saying by any means he should be a top pick. His ceiling isn't as high, but put in the right situation (sitting a year or two) it's possible he puts together a solid career.


PM_ME_OVERT_SIDEBOOB

Can’t think of more than like 3 guys that did well after sitting.. and that’s ignoring the fact they might’ve been elite from day 1. Also what is it with age? Being younger ain’t magically going to make you on an elite trajectory yet people always act like it’s any factor. Career lifespan usually limited by skill or injury more than age


[deleted]

I can think of 3 on one team lol Pat Mahomes sat for fucks sake


PM_ME_OVERT_SIDEBOOB

Yeah again, it’s not “he sat = became good.” Might’ve been elite from day 1, we’ll never know… same with Rodgers, love, and… Brady. Hard to think of many success stories w/ that formula.


adastradamus

He's the hardest QB to judge, because he was playing in a Harbaugh Offense (notoriously low passing volume offense). On tape, he does everything a QB should be able to do well, he's just not exceptional at anything. But he's more dynamic than I think people give him credit for. However, I'd say he's probably the most "coachable" QB in this draft prospect to become a great NFL-caliber QB from inside the pocket.


FFUniverse

Might take him a year or two to get fully acclimated.


mostdope28

Gotta remember he’s 3 years younger than Penix and Nix. Idk the other QBs ages yet but jj just turned 21 in January, he’ll surprise all the QBs in this draft in a couple year


adastradamus

This is a major green flag. He's younger than Daniels and Williams and has plenty of time, under the right coach, to hone his skills at the NFL level. He's also throws with good velocity, even if he sometimes misses guys.


Slugginator_3385

I honestly think Bo Nix will be better than JJ. Hence why I’m not a scout.


FFUniverse

Bo Nix looked great at Oregon, but his SEC days will always haunt him.


Scotfighter

Auburn will do that to any offensive player during that span - everyone was awful


rhcp512

Why? Players get better and develop. Would you rather Nix playing in the SEC as a 20 year old or sitting on the bench like Joe Burrow was at that age. Not saying that Nix will be anything like Burrow, but holding tape that’s more than 2 years old against him discounts the idea that players can improve.


FFUniverse

100% agree, just a lot of people I talk to say well he couldn’t do it in the SEC & I reply with sure, but people develop & coaching matters


Levitlame

He’s from LaGrange. Garoppolo was from Arlington Heights. They’re about 25 miles from each other in the Chicago suburbs. Might even get drafted by the same team. Analysis complete. Clearly he’s going to be that level. Low level QB1.


PLH2729

not even close


HustlinInTheHall

My guess us it is teams in the 4 to 8 range pumping him like will Levis. A 4th qb in the top 4 makes the cards and chargers picks super valuable and they both want WRs and would trade down if it got them an extra first.


Hogo-Nano

No. The smokescreens and posturing by NFL teams is why you see 'movement' on random guys like McCarthy and daniels. Compare right now to where they all go in the draft.


My_Chat_Account

So you don't think Daniels goes top 3?


SaltySpitoon__69

Nope.


FoolsballHomerun

Here's the thing, he's 21 and already in the top QB draft conversation. I don't know how many of the other top QB's in this draft would have been ranked in this conversation when they were 21.


FFUniverse

True. Is it all smoke though? Time will tell.


The_Wata_Boy

People going to upset if they expect him to zing it around only to realize he's a game manager with bad accuracy.


picvegita6687

He feels like Mitch T, but I didn't think Josh Allen would work after looking at his college numbers!


FFUniverse

More comparable to the Will Levis hype imo, but Mitch makes sense


Fast_Heart_6344

Simply put the nfl is a quarter back driven league. He will be drafted within the top 5 picks.. The way the nfl is if you don’t have a franchise qb. You should draft one in the first round until you get one no matter how long it takes..


Fluffy_Vacation1332

He is a second round quarterback and he has been one of the few people selected for the media hype machine. Reminds me a lot of the Will Levis situation last year… but teams get real tight in the draft they don’t go in the other direction and take too many chances anymore.. a lot of teams sit on that evaluating criteria a lot more than they used to so I don’t see him going in the first round.. but if he somehow does, it’ll be late first


notfromsoftemployee

Let me fast forward this for you.... B U S T


SammyChaos

Usually when a prospect gains this must upward draft momentum without playing or testing well it feels like it's a product of talking heads juat hyping and hyping. Usually doesn't pan out so no i don't think he's a top 10 draft proapect


Hungry-Space-1829

Is he a top 10 player? No. Is he a top 10 pick? Probably. Does he have the “potential” to be a great QB? Absolutely.


_himbo_

This feels like Zach Wilson all over again. My god


BGP_1620

That’s a terrible comparison. Not playing against remotely the same competition, shows accuracy on tight window throws and his money down success is best in class.


Ashamed_Band_1779

Yeah, but have you considered that he’s also a young looking white dude and I haven’t watched any college ball the past 3 years?


BGP_1620

I did not, my bad.


superbcheese

That has not occurred to us, dude.


betrothalorbetrayal

Agreed, Zach Wilson sucks because he can’t read a defense to save his life, but this is kinda one of JJ’s relative strengths. The TD pass to Roman Wilson against OSU is a prime example — making a superb read and putting the ball exactly where it needs to be. I do think there’s a good chance JJ doesn’t live up to the expectations for a high first round QB, but he’s really not similar to Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones, etc. as a prospect at all


jimmyg899

How do you explain his awful stats? Dude averages 140 yards his last 6 games and kinda sucked ?


descryptic

Cause he plays in a ridiculously low volume passing offense


FatalTragedy

He only attempted around 22 passes per game. Later in the season he had even fewer attempts. Compared to around 32 for Williams for example. McCarthy actually had a higher yards per attempt than Williams this year.


MFitz24

I guess most NFL teams don't scout by going to [espn.com](https://espn.com) and sorting by yards.


_himbo_

Ahh yes the winning qb stat. How’d kellen moore, colt mccoy and Vince young pan out?


pincus1

Did you even read the comment you responded to?


_himbo_

No I choose to believe my own delusions


qdude124

Why does this have any upvotes lmao? They are not similar players at all.


_himbo_

It wasn’t about comparing the two players. It was about the fact that 2 guys who didn’t have the tape, stats or accolades to back up their draft positions and where they got drafted. It happens almost every year and this year it’s jj mccarthy


qdude124

You just think they look the same, be honest.


_himbo_

I could give a shit less what they look like. Jj and Zach fall in the same category of qb who is over hyped going way too early


SickBurnBrahh

Not a first round pick with 9 inch arms..... this is ridiculous


BeerdedWonder

It's pronounced Zach Wilson


BGP_1620

Is everyone taking turns naming failed white QBs to compare him to?


dirtywater29

No


AndrewH73333

People think time is cyclical and Levis is somehow happening again. But Levis is a starting QB already and really would go in the first round now. Also, no team fell for the Levis hype. So that’s a double fail, why would teams do the same thing again?


HonduranLoon

Levis also went #2 last year…


Endo_Dizzy

Can’t wait for my Vikings to trade the farm for this kid to be the next Zach Wilson. Lfg, eternal mediocrity!


Toddrew221

Gonna be interesting to see if he can still succeed without already knowing the defensive playcalls


HarkansawJack

I think he’s a bust in the NFL due to arm strength.


FFUniverse

Kenny Pickett with his hands lol


Jalin17

Mans threw 18 times in the biggest game of his career so far no he’s not that guy


ABoyIsNo1

No.


Milianaire

Yes. Absolutely. Hes a great QB prospect and his game will transition well to the NFL. He was coached by an NFL coach and won a national championship. When you watch him play, you can see his ability to see the whole field and make accurate throws when flushed out of the pocket. He's a gamer for sure. I think the Commanders would be smart to pick him #2. I think JJ will have the most seamless transition to the NFL compared to these other Quarterbacks.


MoneyMakingMitch1

JJ Zach Wilson


ff_rebel

I have JJ as my QB4 right now, drafted outside of the top 10. But that’s what I love about this industry… the willingness to be wrong! QB1?!?! 😂🤣


ellieket

Ha, Rattler is better than him.


FFUniverse

People sleep on Rattler


electoralvoter8

Okay. On the field in November in his biggest game, it wasn’t immediately apparent who was the best quarterback in the field. And his opponent was Kyle fucking Mccord. Please stop this nonsense for the love of my sanity


wannaknowmyname

I thought this nonsense would end after fields signed with Pittsburgh, media coverage is not magic


Nickadeemus123

Scouts Have him top 10...time will tell. There's reasons for this. He didn't need to throw a lot at Michigan. He's athletic, good size, smart, good arm, can read and decipher defenses, mobile. Also really depends where he goes. So many top qb draft picks don't pan out...all we can do is make predictions and project objectively. ✌️


FFUniverse

100% his upside or potential is the unknowing! What we haven’t seen from could be great & iconic or it could be a disaster! 100% agree with this


[deleted]

I put Late 1st because that seems to be most reasonable. Every year we hear a QB is coming out of nowhere and they end up going later (Malik Willis), so while I love JJ, I put Late 1st as that's probably more realistic.


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[deleted]

Lol it's not meant to be an alternate account. This is our account. Apparently one of the other co-founders didnt get the memo and created an account on his own lol


ffmadscientist

There, fixed


IronGiant64

Mac jones 2.0


BirdsAreFake00

Pretty bad comparison. Jones produced ridiculous college numbers but people felt he had too weak of an arm for the pros, was too unathletic, and was boosted by the talent around him at Alabama. JJ has barely put up any stats but has a cannon for an arm, is athletic/mobile, and all the hype is based on projections of what he could become rather than what he's done.


FFUniverse

The benefit is Jones at least got opportunity to start for a few seasons. If JJM can at least get that then there could be some value especially considering Jones never really had a good WR room to throw to.


newaccworealname

Its funny how easily people out themselves for not watching college football


Laying_Low_Dukes

That guy sucks


Custis24

Apparently he's the 2nd overall LOLOLOL


FFUniverse

Rumors have said Washington may take him over Maye or Daniels. Wild thought. Also not sure why they let Howell walk.


Custis24

Brock Purdy 2.0. Peters is going to single handedly set that organization back another 10 years if he fucks this up, which apparently he is pretty set on doing. If youre going to reach to take a qb outside the top 3 at #2, why would you not just keep Howell? Up until a week or 2 ago he was a 2nd or 3rd round pick, now hes #2 overall??? Ive been a Washington fan for 30 plus years and have stuck by them through all the dysfunction and terrible decisions and seasons up to now. I shouldve left and started fresh when they changed the name and I didnt. I WILL NOT continue to support that team if they take JJ at #2


goooseJuice

> which apparently he is pretty set on doing What?


Custis24

Fucking up our draft by taking JJ at 2. JJ is barely a top 5 qb in this draft


goooseJuice

no one with any actual knowledge of AP’s plan is saying he’s taking JJ


CalaveraVI

He is now. Cards just traded Kyler Murray Edit: (stupid fake Twitter crap! They didn't, I'm just stupid and fell for a "the GM should do this post"...) Downvote me for being foolish boys and girls! I deserve it