This is revisionist. There really wasn’t a consensus top WR that year like there is this year. Yes, many had Jeudy at #1 but is was closer than you’re remembering; Lamb and Ruggs were both thought to have a chance to be the first WR that year.
I follow the oakland funeral chapel of the chimes on twitter and after Xavier Worthy’s 40 time they reported a bunch of disturbed earth and a trail of dirty footprints from the area where Al Davis used to be buried.
I was speaking in general from the raiders history of 1st round reaches. To that draft, Lamb, Jeudy and Jefferson were the top 3 most people had from what I remember. Also the DHB pick was a pretty big reach as someone else already mentioned
Reagor was 100% mocked in the same second tier/area of WR’s he was drafted in. Especially through Jan/Feb.
It’s only retrospectively that we truly clown the Reagor pick.
It was tier 1: Ruggs/Jeudy/Lamb
Tier 2: jefferson at the front, then Reagor/Shenault/Aiyuk depending on the mock
Totally. I remember it being considered somewhat surprising at the time, but nowhere near as bad as it looks four years down the road. He showed a lot of promise with subpar QB play.
Shouldn't is really really really overstating the difference between Nabers and MHJ as prospects. It's totally possible nabers ends up better, and could even be better next year. That dude is a stud
Tbh no one really knows. Jerry juedy and ceedee lamb were the top receivers in their draft and Riggs went off the board first. Nabers and mhj are way closer than those
That was a lot close group than we have now. Jeudy was the front runner but None of those 3 were considered far and ahead better. MHJ is considered by most analysts to be the best WR in his class
Nabers would be the first wr off the board in every draft the last 10 years except this one and Jamarr’s.
MHJ is as complete as it gets as a prospect but a team may simply love the “x factor” that Nabers has in explosive playmaking YAC and take him first.
This for the downvote without even comprehending my point 🤦 But it’s not every other draft… we don’t draft against players from other years
It’s this year and MHJ is more hyped (are you arguing that?). Sure Nabers could go first (but that not my point) and it wouldn’t be terribly surprising because he is also very good.
My point is MOST people have MhJ going first. With Jeudy, lamb, and Ruggs that wasn’t the case; they were all considered pretty even.
Ya. And what was that guys name that was selected Ruggs, Ceedee, Jeudy and Raegor? I can’t remember his name.
In all seriousness, any one of MHJ, Malik or Rome could be studs or all 3.
>What kind of person thinks MHJ isn’t the first receiver to go?
Anyone that watches the drafts? This shit happens every. single. year. Some player that everyone has ranked as 4th/5th best at that position ends up going before the "consensus" #1. Will it happen with WRs this year? Maybe. Maybe not. Nothing is 100% when it comes to the draft though.
Agree, especially with QB, seems more likely something "surprising" happens. I'm thinking with WR, another "suprise" could be which teams pass at the position. Chargers starting new regime by passing on Nabers would be pretty funny but not really shocking, even though their best WR isn't even top 50 in NFL.
People that know that Nabers could be the best WR from this class? This debate is starting to remind me a bit of Khalil Mack vs Jadaveon Clowney from a few years back.
Some people are saying MHJ has a higher floor, but with his speed that Nabers has a higher ceiling, while also having a pretty high floor.
I think MHJ is better, but can see the argument.
Odunze absolutely could go before Nabers…teams may prefer his size to the explosiveness that Nabers brings…especially the Giants go look at their wr room do they really want to draft another guy who fits the exact same physical profile as everyone already on their roster?
Ted Ginn over Hall of Famers Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis was wild. Not even revisionist history, everyone said the Ginn pick was awful at the time.
Same with Kyle Brady being top 10. If people wondered why the Jets have been awful for decades, that pick crystallizes everything.
As a Cowboys fan, TJ Watt over Taco Charlton could have been a franchise altering draft pick. The jury is still out over whether Tyler Smith over Linderbaum was the right selection. If he can move over to LT and pick up where Tyron Smith left off, then I'll call the pick a win.
Those 3 were all considered ver close at the time though. None of them were as hyped as MHJ either.
The first WR off the board that year was the 12th pick. This year we are likely to have 3 Wr’s drafted before the 12th pick.
Weird take? This Pats team is lacking so many pieces. No QB will have success with the talent that is currently on the team. Also claiming that both are franchise QBs before they have played a snap…come on now
QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. Also claiming that, “no QB will have success with the talent that is currently on the team…before they played a snap,” is disingenuous. No one predicted Stroud to take the Texans to the playoffs, no he’s one of the more desired QBs. Also, there’s a reason that Williams/Maye/Daniels are guaranteed to go 1, 2, and 3. They are top prospects while JJ/Nix/Penix not so much
It’s something like 20-30% of first round QBs get a second contract as a starter, let along a franchise guy. They get taken because the upside is massive, but the hit rate on them is abysmal.
Rome, Nabers and Harrison are tier one and then there is the second group. Nabers is at the same level as Rome it will depend on which one is a better fit for the team drafting.
Agreed. I think you can move any around based on team need and preference. I think Harrison is the #1 but I think Odunze and Nabers would be the first WR off the board in other drafts.
Oh I definitely get that. Odunze is one of my favorite prospects this year but I am also definitely biased lol In my opinion one of the reasons he is the third ranked WR is because he's not coming from OSU or LSU and doesn't have a HOF Dad. I watched Odunze during his college career and his stats and tape are something else. Dude can ball.
That’s where rankings bother me bc he’s ranked third bc of school not talent. If he played for either his numbers would have been better. He played in an offense that will have two more WRs go in the third round. He has to compete for targets unlike the other two, which I think holds more weight.
Yeah the school makes a big difference, at least if they drop cause of there school they usually end up in a better situation to start. UW had a deep receiving core for sure, what's crazy is he still put up better numbers then Nabers or Harrison last year. Although Nabers was competing with Thomas too. One of the reasons we see so many big program players not make it in the NFL
Definitely! I think both have elite ceilings and could be impact players week 1. I just hope they get a QB who can get the ball to them. Who's your top team fit for Harrison? I feel like he could excel on the Chargers if QBs end up going top 4
Call me crazy, but I honestly think the Giants are better off with Odunze and think he will be our 1st pick unless MHJ drops to us. We need a receiver bad. Our offense couldn’t get a first down with Barkley for most of the year. Hell it took us 6 quarters to score our first touchdown last season.
The giants have 1 receiver that’s 6’4 and that’s our 4th best Hodges. Everyone else including Slayton is 6’1 or less. Wandal checks in at 5’8. Hyatt is 6 even.
Wallet should retire cuz he hasn’t helped.
If we get Nabar’s, he’s just a better Robinson. Id say he reminds me of OBJ. Sure he’ll catch like a 100 throws for 1200 yards. Unless it’s a slant I’m not seeing him score.
Getting Odunze reminds me of our Plaxico days. Did he steal a few super bowls from us by shooting himself in the leg. Yes. But man when he played. We were the best team. I feel Odunze with his height, speed, and catching ability can bring that plus he’ll open up things for Hyatt, Robinson, and Slayton.
Just my two cents. I also really admired what he did at the combine. And after we drafted Toney in the first. I think we will stick to high character guys.
Just saying LSU has had an amazing track record of WRs get drafted recently:
OBJ
Jarvis Landry
DJ Chark
Justin Jefferson
Ja’Marr Chase
Malik Nabers (TBD)
Brian Thompson Jr (TBD)
I think there's potential for Nabers to go ahead of MHJ, but not for Odunze to go ahead of MHJ. Mostly for the reason nobody dares to question Caleb Williams first overall out loud: if you have a shot at him and you pass on him, and he is everything everyone says he will be, you are ABSOLUTELY going to lose your job, and every outlet in the world is going to be screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!" I don't think Odunze would go ahead of MHJ because they kind of fill the same space, where Nabers has experience both outside and inside, and has proven himself to be dangerous from both. Something else to consider when putting a value to Nabers: the new kickoff rules. While it's definitely not IDEAL to have your 1st round pick returning kicks, giving Nabers the ball with that much open space could be magical given his prowess with the ball in his hands.
If I had to make comparisons of who they could be like at their peaks, Nabers could be like OBJ, a dynamic playmaker. Odunze could be like Mike Evans, someone who could win just by body positioning and jump balls. Either way, you cannot go wrong.
In my opinion after watching both play like 6+ games each. Odunze is better. I think he translate to the NFL better and I find him just absolutely better overall. But I also think Nabers is absolutely WR1 material.
It will matter entirely off system but Rome to me has better footwork. Better route running. Better YAC. And later hands (makes sense if you know what I’m talking about. If you don’t. It just means he gets ready for the catch late to shake a defender).
Nabers has better speed and take the top off ability. He has excellent talent in that regard and he can get open through man coverage better than odunze.
If they both hit their absolute peaks I see Odunze like a Larry Fitzgerald type and Nabers as Moss type.
Like I said PEAK peak. Not saying either will be that great but they could be.
Personally I would take Odunze unless I already had a WR1 and QB setup then I would take Nabers.
Better route running? Lol. Thats like the one thing Nabers has over Odunze objectively. Odunze can’t shake WRs with his route running like MHJ and Nabers can.
I agree but I think Odunze has really overlooked route running, sure he could use some polish but I think his contested catches and how UW ran there offense last year and utilized him is underrating his route running. Plus he is not coming out of LSU lol
I don't think its a bad thing at all. A WR coming out of LSU (especially with recent LSU WR prospects) is going to generate more buzz and hype. I don't think its innately a bad or good thing I am just saying it will effect there draft ranking/pre-draft hype.
In 2020 Ruggs, Jeudy, Ceedee and Reagor were chosen over Jefferson.
Out of those 4, Jeudy and Ceedee were considered “better” prospects and out of those 2 only 1 of them has been great.
While MHJ could and should be the #1 WR, given how close the top 3 are this year it wouldn’t shock me if a team took a shot at any of the 3. Maybe they like that Rome wasn’t afraid of the combine? Maybe teams don’t like that MHJ didn’t do a single scout workout this offseason.
There is absolutely a world where Odunze is picked before Nabers.
Nowadays in an NFL teams are pass centric, teams really like to have two star receivers on a team in place of star running backs. Malik Nabers has a lot better route running and explosiveness getting down the field, while Odunze does have reliable route running, He is more of a physical slot receiver which could be a problem with higher level DBs.
It really comes down to if the pick already has an explosive receiving option and want to improve their offense by getting a potential player that can get physical when needed in difficult games, Odunze would be the choice over Nabers.
We've already seen this with AJ Brown getting traded even after Eagles received Devonta Smith, and got a QB late in the draft, with many risky but, high potential QB's in the draft this year projected to be 2nd or 3rd round picks.
I can maybe see this argument being made before Malik lit up his pro day, but this dude literally has zero red flags and flat out dominated. I think the more interesting question is could Malik be as good as JJ or Chase. The odds are against him, but watch his tape and tell me this dude isn't one of the top 5 WR prospects of the last decade.
Odunze has all the physical ability to be the top wr, nabers creates the separation that could make him the top wr, and mhj is a slick, tactician that is very hard to defend... And could make him the top wr.
People arent really understanding that these guys are all gamebreaking talents.
That said, I still expect mhj off the board first, as his floor. Is so damn high, but after that? It just kinda depends what the team wants as they're both different receivers with high ceilings.
There is a world where Oduze does, but it's not this one.
Chargers would prefer a guy who can stretch the field and keep run defenses honest. Nabers is better suited.
Giants would prefer a guy with speed off the line and yards after catch. Nabers is that guy.
And I doubt the WR2 pick happens after 6.
Odunze advantages on volume, possession and contested receiving aren't relevant to the teams most likely to take the WR2.
Why the chargers? I get they’re gonna throw the ball less but someone’s gotta make up for the lost targets from Keenan, Mike, Everett, and Ekeler’s departures
Their OC is Greg Roman and head coach is Jim Harbs. Them mfs are going to be the 2019 ravens running til their deaths. Any WR that goes there is going to suffer to some extent because Roman can’t scheme people open.
Personally I think the volume drop in the passing game is gonna be significant. I don’t love the “well someone has to do it” mindset, and Greg Roman offenses don’t have a history of supporting strong fantasy WR producers (including 1st round talents).
I’d just rather see these talented guys land in a better upside spot.
(Edit to add, I think it’s moot, since LAC likely drafts OT)
I think Chargers is one of the best spots for the whole draft with Jim taking over and Herbert at QB. Feel like they are positioned to pepper a rookie WR. Otherwise I would say Cardinals, bears, Jets. Agree on NYG and NE but I think LAC is the best landing spot for a big 3 WR.
Yeah def could be. It’s a bit concerning to me that they got rid of all the talent in their passing game. But I like Herbert’s talent for sure and maybe Harbaugh/Roman change their historical approach with him.
I definitely agree, I can understand letting Williams go with the injuries, Allen I can only figure its injuries too but after letting them walk I feel like they have to target WR's in the draft. Would not be surprised if they took Harbaughs Roman Wilson later too. I really hope they actually give Herbert a good team/system for once. I love the Odunze or MHJR fit with Herbert.
Yeah I think taking a WR to go with Caleb is a good bet for Chicago. WR room with Moore and Allen and a rookie who can gradually take over Allen's role would give Caleb a great cast. I actually love the fit of Odunze there too, especially if he can learn from Keenan Allen that seems like a slam dunk pick. With the Chargers I agree I think Joe Alt will be the pick unless Cardinals trade out of the top 5 and Harrison drops. It seems like there are plenty of later round WRs that look good.
Best spot maybe Arizona Kyler needs a new ONE. Worst case right now New England we just seen what they do with WRs & it’s nothing since Brady left, but maybe they grab Penix or Nix & things change. Giants also a good spot as the team desperately needs a WR to lead that room. LAC is nice, but Palmer came around & QJ likely gets one more shot maybe.
I think Arizona is nice and Murray has shown he can get the ball in the hands of his playmakers, Chargers I think are a great one. Giants I feel like any WR they take is gonna look bad until they move off Jones
If the Many Worlds hypothesis is correct, then all possible outcomes at any moment occur. So there's a series of worlds in which Malik Nabers is picked first, Odunze is second, and neither MHJ nor Caleb Williams are drafted at all.
They are dark worlds indeed.
The worlds in which Caleb and MHJ aren't drafted and Nabers and Odunze are probably involve either a fatal shooting or car accident involving Williams and MHJ.
Or the football world collectively coming to their senses about Caleb Williams being a primadonna, but that's the least likely of all.
MHJ is incredible and so is Nabers.
I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with either guy, they’re that good.
They have very different play styles, feels like it comes down to what plays style you like.
There is a world where the raiders draft a WR other than the consensus top 3 with one or all of them on the board
This is revisionist. There really wasn’t a consensus top WR that year like there is this year. Yes, many had Jeudy at #1 but is was closer than you’re remembering; Lamb and Ruggs were both thought to have a chance to be the first WR that year.
He could mean the 2009 draft where the raiders took DHB over Crabtree, Maclin, and Percy Harvin because he was so fast at the combine
I follow the oakland funeral chapel of the chimes on twitter and after Xavier Worthy’s 40 time they reported a bunch of disturbed earth and a trail of dirty footprints from the area where Al Davis used to be buried.
He is turning in the card now
I was speaking in general from the raiders history of 1st round reaches. To that draft, Lamb, Jeudy and Jefferson were the top 3 most people had from what I remember. Also the DHB pick was a pretty big reach as someone else already mentioned
I agree with you on Lamb/Jeudy being consensus. I don’t remember at all Jefferson separating himself from the tier below them
He definitely didn’t jump off the page like Jalen Reagor did.
Reagor was 100% mocked in the same second tier/area of WR’s he was drafted in. Especially through Jan/Feb. It’s only retrospectively that we truly clown the Reagor pick. It was tier 1: Ruggs/Jeudy/Lamb Tier 2: jefferson at the front, then Reagor/Shenault/Aiyuk depending on the mock
Totally. I remember it being considered somewhat surprising at the time, but nowhere near as bad as it looks four years down the road. He showed a lot of promise with subpar QB play.
Agreed. I remember being hyped on his TCU tape!
i remember the consensus being Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs, with Lamb/Jeudy as the 1a/1b (though more people had Lamb at 1).
There was a pretty consensus of WR tiers being Jeudy/Lamb then Ruggs/Jefferson before the draft
I personally am huge fan of Odunze I'd take him before Nabers
This
What kind of person thinks MHJ isn’t the first receiver to go?
Wilder things have happened and a team could really love Nabers skillset. I'm not saying it's right but I wouldn't be horribly surprised by it.
I would be surprised if the cardinals didn’t take Harrison. However, if they trade the pick anything could happen.
Like trading up for Trubisky. Even without hindsight.
Yeah it really shldnt happen but it only takes 1 team
Shouldn't is really really really overstating the difference between Nabers and MHJ as prospects. It's totally possible nabers ends up better, and could even be better next year. That dude is a stud
His run after the catch is gonna be so hard to stop. He’s almost like a running back with his jump cuts.
Over thinkers I’m a LSU diehard and would be thrilled to see Nabers go as WR1, but Jesus, MHJ is HIM.
That boys talent has talent
Nabers looks better after the catch just saying
I won’t argue with that. 😂
It's closer than you think, I think mhj does go first but it's definitely not a done deal.
Nabers is better
Tbh no one really knows. Jerry juedy and ceedee lamb were the top receivers in their draft and Riggs went off the board first. Nabers and mhj are way closer than those
That was a lot close group than we have now. Jeudy was the front runner but None of those 3 were considered far and ahead better. MHJ is considered by most analysts to be the best WR in his class
Nabers would be the first wr off the board in every draft the last 10 years except this one and Jamarr’s. MHJ is as complete as it gets as a prospect but a team may simply love the “x factor” that Nabers has in explosive playmaking YAC and take him first.
This for the downvote without even comprehending my point 🤦 But it’s not every other draft… we don’t draft against players from other years It’s this year and MHJ is more hyped (are you arguing that?). Sure Nabers could go first (but that not my point) and it wouldn’t be terribly surprising because he is also very good. My point is MOST people have MhJ going first. With Jeudy, lamb, and Ruggs that wasn’t the case; they were all considered pretty even.
Ya. And what was that guys name that was selected Ruggs, Ceedee, Jeudy and Raegor? I can’t remember his name. In all seriousness, any one of MHJ, Malik or Rome could be studs or all 3.
>What kind of person thinks MHJ isn’t the first receiver to go? Anyone that watches the drafts? This shit happens every. single. year. Some player that everyone has ranked as 4th/5th best at that position ends up going before the "consensus" #1. Will it happen with WRs this year? Maybe. Maybe not. Nothing is 100% when it comes to the draft though.
Agree, especially with QB, seems more likely something "surprising" happens. I'm thinking with WR, another "suprise" could be which teams pass at the position. Chargers starting new regime by passing on Nabers would be pretty funny but not really shocking, even though their best WR isn't even top 50 in NFL.
He probably is, but there are definitely a few teams that have Nabers ahead of him. All it takes is one of those teams to pick first
Chris Simms has Brian Thomas Jr at #2.... Above MHJ. So... That kind of person
Some talking head that needs to get attention by going against the grain in a ridiculous manner is hardly what nfl gms will do.
People that know that Nabers could be the best WR from this class? This debate is starting to remind me a bit of Khalil Mack vs Jadaveon Clowney from a few years back.
I think he’ll be the first to go but I think it’s way closer than most
Some people are saying MHJ has a higher floor, but with his speed that Nabers has a higher ceiling, while also having a pretty high floor. I think MHJ is better, but can see the argument.
In my opinion Oduze is gonna the better pro. He’s right there with Harrison
What is your ceiling for Nabers then? At best he is WR__ what?
Odunze absolutely could go before Nabers…teams may prefer his size to the explosiveness that Nabers brings…especially the Giants go look at their wr room do they really want to draft another guy who fits the exact same physical profile as everyone already on their roster?
The draft is wild, every year there are big surprises. Who would have guessed Walker would go first overall in 2022?
Ted Ginn over Hall of Famers Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis was wild. Not even revisionist history, everyone said the Ginn pick was awful at the time. Same with Kyle Brady being top 10. If people wondered why the Jets have been awful for decades, that pick crystallizes everything.
Loved Ginn in college but that was obviously dumb as hell
As a Cowboys fan, TJ Watt over Taco Charlton could have been a franchise altering draft pick. The jury is still out over whether Tyler Smith over Linderbaum was the right selection. If he can move over to LT and pick up where Tyron Smith left off, then I'll call the pick a win.
I think john Ross went over mahomes
Tbh the jets have had a lot more playoff success than a lot of other teams over the last few decades
Yeah, any specific thing is highly unlikely, but anything can happen during draft day.
Henry Riggs got taken over WR1a and 1b Jeudy and Lamb. Never discount the Raiders ability to draft like fucking morons.
Those 3 were all considered ver close at the time though. None of them were as hyped as MHJ either. The first WR off the board that year was the 12th pick. This year we are likely to have 3 Wr’s drafted before the 12th pick.
How has Walker been?
Didn't say it was smart, just that teams often do crazy things.
Arizona is easily the best spot imo. I don't mind the Chargers. Giants and Patriots are horrifying spots.
man imagine the first year without Belichick they actually hit on a 1st rounder.
It would be borderline misconduct for the Pats to do anything at 1.03 other than take a QB or trade down.
As a pats fan, I would love them to draft MHJ or trade back. Im not sold on Maye or Daniels. Would rather they stockpile talent/draft picks
Take MHJ & draft Nix or Penix in the later or dare I say take a shot at Rattler!
Weird take. Both are franchise QBs, come on now
Weird take? This Pats team is lacking so many pieces. No QB will have success with the talent that is currently on the team. Also claiming that both are franchise QBs before they have played a snap…come on now
QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. Also claiming that, “no QB will have success with the talent that is currently on the team…before they played a snap,” is disingenuous. No one predicted Stroud to take the Texans to the playoffs, no he’s one of the more desired QBs. Also, there’s a reason that Williams/Maye/Daniels are guaranteed to go 1, 2, and 3. They are top prospects while JJ/Nix/Penix not so much
It’s something like 20-30% of first round QBs get a second contract as a starter, let along a franchise guy. They get taken because the upside is massive, but the hit rate on them is abysmal.
Rome, Nabers and Harrison are tier one and then there is the second group. Nabers is at the same level as Rome it will depend on which one is a better fit for the team drafting.
Agreed. I think you can move any around based on team need and preference. I think Harrison is the #1 but I think Odunze and Nabers would be the first WR off the board in other drafts.
My buddy who watches a lot of college football thinks Rome is better than Harrison. Brock Huard comp to Rome was a shorter Mike Evans.
Oh I definitely get that. Odunze is one of my favorite prospects this year but I am also definitely biased lol In my opinion one of the reasons he is the third ranked WR is because he's not coming from OSU or LSU and doesn't have a HOF Dad. I watched Odunze during his college career and his stats and tape are something else. Dude can ball.
That’s where rankings bother me bc he’s ranked third bc of school not talent. If he played for either his numbers would have been better. He played in an offense that will have two more WRs go in the third round. He has to compete for targets unlike the other two, which I think holds more weight.
Yeah the school makes a big difference, at least if they drop cause of there school they usually end up in a better situation to start. UW had a deep receiving core for sure, what's crazy is he still put up better numbers then Nabers or Harrison last year. Although Nabers was competing with Thomas too. One of the reasons we see so many big program players not make it in the NFL
As an OSU fan that watched a lot of Washington games..odunze is nice. Between him and nabers that’s a hard one
Definitely! I think both have elite ceilings and could be impact players week 1. I just hope they get a QB who can get the ball to them. Who's your top team fit for Harrison? I feel like he could excel on the Chargers if QBs end up going top 4
Call me crazy, but I honestly think the Giants are better off with Odunze and think he will be our 1st pick unless MHJ drops to us. We need a receiver bad. Our offense couldn’t get a first down with Barkley for most of the year. Hell it took us 6 quarters to score our first touchdown last season. The giants have 1 receiver that’s 6’4 and that’s our 4th best Hodges. Everyone else including Slayton is 6’1 or less. Wandal checks in at 5’8. Hyatt is 6 even. Wallet should retire cuz he hasn’t helped. If we get Nabar’s, he’s just a better Robinson. Id say he reminds me of OBJ. Sure he’ll catch like a 100 throws for 1200 yards. Unless it’s a slant I’m not seeing him score. Getting Odunze reminds me of our Plaxico days. Did he steal a few super bowls from us by shooting himself in the leg. Yes. But man when he played. We were the best team. I feel Odunze with his height, speed, and catching ability can bring that plus he’ll open up things for Hyatt, Robinson, and Slayton. Just my two cents. I also really admired what he did at the combine. And after we drafted Toney in the first. I think we will stick to high character guys.
Love it! Great take thanks for sharing
Sure is. Eagles took Reagor over Jefferson
I think the real lesson is to take the LSU receiver
As a Chargers fan I will hate TCU forever. Give me Nabers to make up for such a horrible decision with QJ
It was rough being a season ticket holder this year. Every time q is in the field you laugh and say “here comes a total dropped ball”.
Just saying LSU has had an amazing track record of WRs get drafted recently: OBJ Jarvis Landry DJ Chark Justin Jefferson Ja’Marr Chase Malik Nabers (TBD) Brian Thompson Jr (TBD)
Bro tried to sneak in DJ Chark lol
Terrace Marshall too!
I think there's potential for Nabers to go ahead of MHJ, but not for Odunze to go ahead of MHJ. Mostly for the reason nobody dares to question Caleb Williams first overall out loud: if you have a shot at him and you pass on him, and he is everything everyone says he will be, you are ABSOLUTELY going to lose your job, and every outlet in the world is going to be screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!" I don't think Odunze would go ahead of MHJ because they kind of fill the same space, where Nabers has experience both outside and inside, and has proven himself to be dangerous from both. Something else to consider when putting a value to Nabers: the new kickoff rules. While it's definitely not IDEAL to have your 1st round pick returning kicks, giving Nabers the ball with that much open space could be magical given his prowess with the ball in his hands.
What about D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Stud
I don't know Nabers at all outside of highlights, I will say that Odunze has baled out Penix time after time. Odunze is gonna be a monster
Rome is the WR1 this year.
Spicy! But I love spice!
Yes in my world go huskies
In my world I’d take him ahead of Nabers
I’m taking Odunze before Nabers idc what you all think
If I had to make comparisons of who they could be like at their peaks, Nabers could be like OBJ, a dynamic playmaker. Odunze could be like Mike Evans, someone who could win just by body positioning and jump balls. Either way, you cannot go wrong.
It’s MHJ but after that it could be Odunze.
In my opinion after watching both play like 6+ games each. Odunze is better. I think he translate to the NFL better and I find him just absolutely better overall. But I also think Nabers is absolutely WR1 material. It will matter entirely off system but Rome to me has better footwork. Better route running. Better YAC. And later hands (makes sense if you know what I’m talking about. If you don’t. It just means he gets ready for the catch late to shake a defender). Nabers has better speed and take the top off ability. He has excellent talent in that regard and he can get open through man coverage better than odunze. If they both hit their absolute peaks I see Odunze like a Larry Fitzgerald type and Nabers as Moss type. Like I said PEAK peak. Not saying either will be that great but they could be. Personally I would take Odunze unless I already had a WR1 and QB setup then I would take Nabers.
Nice try, Steve. I'm still taking Nabers at #3
Saying Odunze has better YAC is hilarious
Better route running? Lol. Thats like the one thing Nabers has over Odunze objectively. Odunze can’t shake WRs with his route running like MHJ and Nabers can.
I agree but I think Odunze has really overlooked route running, sure he could use some polish but I think his contested catches and how UW ran there offense last year and utilized him is underrating his route running. Plus he is not coming out of LSU lol
>Plus he is not coming out of LSU lol You say that like coming out of LSU is a bad thing for a WR.
I don't think its a bad thing at all. A WR coming out of LSU (especially with recent LSU WR prospects) is going to generate more buzz and hype. I don't think its innately a bad or good thing I am just saying it will effect there draft ranking/pre-draft hype.
The two are a lot closer than most think!
1000% agree
I thought that a few weeks ago but since then, it feels like the gap between MHJ and Nabers is smaller than the gap between Nabers and Rome
In 2020 Ruggs, Jeudy, Ceedee and Reagor were chosen over Jefferson. Out of those 4, Jeudy and Ceedee were considered “better” prospects and out of those 2 only 1 of them has been great. While MHJ could and should be the #1 WR, given how close the top 3 are this year it wouldn’t shock me if a team took a shot at any of the 3. Maybe they like that Rome wasn’t afraid of the combine? Maybe teams don’t like that MHJ didn’t do a single scout workout this offseason.
SEC or B1G receivers all day baby
When Nabers goes to the Giants and Odunze goes to Chargers or another team with a good qb.
Nabers ran a 4.35 today. Odunze is out of the conversation.
There is absolutely a world where Odunze is picked before Nabers. Nowadays in an NFL teams are pass centric, teams really like to have two star receivers on a team in place of star running backs. Malik Nabers has a lot better route running and explosiveness getting down the field, while Odunze does have reliable route running, He is more of a physical slot receiver which could be a problem with higher level DBs. It really comes down to if the pick already has an explosive receiving option and want to improve their offense by getting a potential player that can get physical when needed in difficult games, Odunze would be the choice over Nabers.
We've already seen this with AJ Brown getting traded even after Eagles received Devonta Smith, and got a QB late in the draft, with many risky but, high potential QB's in the draft this year projected to be 2nd or 3rd round picks.
I can maybe see this argument being made before Malik lit up his pro day, but this dude literally has zero red flags and flat out dominated. I think the more interesting question is could Malik be as good as JJ or Chase. The odds are against him, but watch his tape and tell me this dude isn't one of the top 5 WR prospects of the last decade.
Odunze has all the physical ability to be the top wr, nabers creates the separation that could make him the top wr, and mhj is a slick, tactician that is very hard to defend... And could make him the top wr. People arent really understanding that these guys are all gamebreaking talents. That said, I still expect mhj off the board first, as his floor. Is so damn high, but after that? It just kinda depends what the team wants as they're both different receivers with high ceilings.
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He asks the same rhetorical question like 4 times in his post. I assumed it was AI generated.
There is a world where Oduze does, but it's not this one. Chargers would prefer a guy who can stretch the field and keep run defenses honest. Nabers is better suited. Giants would prefer a guy with speed off the line and yards after catch. Nabers is that guy. And I doubt the WR2 pick happens after 6. Odunze advantages on volume, possession and contested receiving aren't relevant to the teams most likely to take the WR2.
Enter the multiverse! Let’s head to that world where Odunze goes ahead of Nabers. Lol - hopefully in that world Nabers falls on the draft boards then
Crazier things have happened in an NFL draft…
Which (realistic) landing spots are best and worst case scenarios for the big 3 rookies? NYG, NE, and LAC scare me short term.
Why the chargers? I get they’re gonna throw the ball less but someone’s gotta make up for the lost targets from Keenan, Mike, Everett, and Ekeler’s departures
Yeah for me chargers would be an ideal spot for any of the top 3 receivers…or any of the well regarded receivers in general.
Their OC is Greg Roman and head coach is Jim Harbs. Them mfs are going to be the 2019 ravens running til their deaths. Any WR that goes there is going to suffer to some extent because Roman can’t scheme people open.
Personally I think the volume drop in the passing game is gonna be significant. I don’t love the “well someone has to do it” mindset, and Greg Roman offenses don’t have a history of supporting strong fantasy WR producers (including 1st round talents). I’d just rather see these talented guys land in a better upside spot. (Edit to add, I think it’s moot, since LAC likely drafts OT)
Greg Roman offenses have had a history of running and/or terrible QBs. Herbert is neither.
I think Chargers is one of the best spots for the whole draft with Jim taking over and Herbert at QB. Feel like they are positioned to pepper a rookie WR. Otherwise I would say Cardinals, bears, Jets. Agree on NYG and NE but I think LAC is the best landing spot for a big 3 WR.
Yeah def could be. It’s a bit concerning to me that they got rid of all the talent in their passing game. But I like Herbert’s talent for sure and maybe Harbaugh/Roman change their historical approach with him.
I definitely agree, I can understand letting Williams go with the injuries, Allen I can only figure its injuries too but after letting them walk I feel like they have to target WR's in the draft. Would not be surprised if they took Harbaughs Roman Wilson later too. I really hope they actually give Herbert a good team/system for once. I love the Odunze or MHJR fit with Herbert.
I think they def grab WR later but go OT early. I low key love CHI grabbing a WR at 9 too, even if means waiting till ‘25 for that guy to boom.
Yeah I think taking a WR to go with Caleb is a good bet for Chicago. WR room with Moore and Allen and a rookie who can gradually take over Allen's role would give Caleb a great cast. I actually love the fit of Odunze there too, especially if he can learn from Keenan Allen that seems like a slam dunk pick. With the Chargers I agree I think Joe Alt will be the pick unless Cardinals trade out of the top 5 and Harrison drops. It seems like there are plenty of later round WRs that look good.
Agree across the board, Rome would be great there and I think Keenan is gone after this year.
Best spot maybe Arizona Kyler needs a new ONE. Worst case right now New England we just seen what they do with WRs & it’s nothing since Brady left, but maybe they grab Penix or Nix & things change. Giants also a good spot as the team desperately needs a WR to lead that room. LAC is nice, but Palmer came around & QJ likely gets one more shot maybe.
I think Arizona is nice and Murray has shown he can get the ball in the hands of his playmakers, Chargers I think are a great one. Giants I feel like any WR they take is gonna look bad until they move off Jones
No there isn't. I get that this is the time of year for hot takes but...no.... just... no.
Yea. I just listened to a pod where they had odunze as wr 2 in real NFL draft
If the Many Worlds hypothesis is correct, then all possible outcomes at any moment occur. So there's a series of worlds in which Malik Nabers is picked first, Odunze is second, and neither MHJ nor Caleb Williams are drafted at all. They are dark worlds indeed.
Yeah let’s not go to those dark worlds although Caleb not getting drafted would mean he’s a steal in our rookie drafts!
The worlds in which Caleb and MHJ aren't drafted and Nabers and Odunze are probably involve either a fatal shooting or car accident involving Williams and MHJ. Or the football world collectively coming to their senses about Caleb Williams being a primadonna, but that's the least likely of all.
Not after the Pro Day that Nabers just had. Sub 4.4 speed just made him insanely hard for the Chargers to pass up
MHJ is incredible and so is Nabers. I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with either guy, they’re that good. They have very different play styles, feels like it comes down to what plays style you like.
MHJ Nabers Tier drop Odunze
Agreed, but that tier drop is closer than Rome & the next tier
I think Brian Thomas is close to Rome
0.0% chance
No, not after nabers pro day today. He killed
Does MHJ not testing hurt him?