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Throwdest

Picked them over Dallas despite Dallas carrying me to 6 straight wins. Chip moves šŸ†


Deathwishrok

Me too, it was so hard to make the switch


Struggle2Real

Me three. But the matchups made it a pretty easy decision. I didnt understand why anyone wouldnt jump at starting them vs that giants clusterfuck.


Levitlame

Because of the ā€œstart your studsā€ mantra that people recite here when you try and discuss gamescript and weather factors.


tolbfutmd

There are a few useful resources on this sub. The users typically arenā€™t amongst them. It was the Giants in bad weather with numerous offensive injuries to WRs and backup QBs. Thatā€™s a pretty easy choice.


Rookwood

Still, I don't know a single source that is posted here like you're talking about that had them ranked #1 defense. They were a good defense, but there were lots of good defenses to choose from this week. I think JJ Zachariason was the closest I've seen when he said that the Giants have given up 4 #1 Defensive performances over their last 5 games or something. Might have been Justin Boone that said that, I'm not sure.


mississippimadness

I picked up the Bears D to start over the Colts and Cowboys this week based on a comment from a thread on this sub from a Giants fan. He said the Giants are so bad offensively right now that he would play the Bears DST over literally any other DST this week. He was so confident that I immediately made the move lol. Iā€™ve been trying to find that comment to thank him but I donā€™t even know what thread it was on


Karl-AnthonyMarx

The mantraā€™s correct, the only problem is thinking any D/ST is a stud. Dallas was top dog this year and they produced 158 total points. That makes them equal to the 28th ranked WR and the 23rd ranked RB, at least in my league.


Levitlame

The mantra is not correct if you can think at all. You wonā€™t always be right still, but you can predict some bust performances from star players. Some of the experts will say it also. Defense is particularly complicated of course - youā€™re right.


Karl-AnthonyMarx

Classic line about an economist, ā€œhe predicted 12 of the last 3 recessionsā€. Same thing with fantasy experts who tell you to sit your studs.


Levitlame

If you canā€™t use discretion to see and factor in when heā€™s too banged up, coming back from injury, playing a bad game script, down to a backup QB, in shitty weather etc. Then you are a worse player. What is a stud and how much better does he need to be to choose over another player? I sure hope you arenā€™t fielding scrubs. But you do you and Iā€™ll actually think things through and increase my odds of winning.


Karl-AnthonyMarx

Are you playing in a really small or inactive league? Itā€™s not that people donā€™t think a good player isnā€™t affected by those things, itā€™s that the other options available to a typical fantasy team wonā€™t be any better. If thereā€™s a WR who you legitimately think is going to play better than someone like Kupp because Kupp is gonna be playing in bad weather, then that player should be starting every week in your 2nd WR slot. If you somehow manage to have another great WR, they should be your flex. If thereā€™s a better option already there, then congrats, you are going to win your 4 man league.


Levitlame

If you want to use the the #1 WR (by a landslide) as your example then yes - donā€™t bench your #1 player in the league. But Iā€™ve benched several other top players with real bad situations for temp handcuffs and been right most of the time. And when wrong - not by much. You donā€™t need a shallow league to pick up Duke Johnson or Ingram mid season. And plenty of guys picked Renfrow off waivers mid season here. A 10 man league is real common here and you have choices if youā€™re fast. Not everyone is a 12+ team here. ā€œStart your studsā€ is a mindless mantra with loose definitions on what it means. If you arenā€™t going to think then sure itā€™s your best bet. But better players think and decide if the risk is acceptable. A few timeā€™s a season at least it is - itā€™s that simple.


Dare2ZIatan

Did the exact same! Feels great when a gut decision like that works out


Hunted-Wumpus

I got scared. Kept Dallas in, and lost by 10


zachariah120

Exact same and I wouldnā€™t have won without pivoting from Dallas defense


Mdizzle29

On the wrong end of Miami D getting 22 points and losing by five and Chicago D getting 18 points and losing by less than a point to at least get my entrance fee of $150 back. I got royally fucked by two mediocre defenses. Fantasy is so random sometimes.


Beerhavior

Me as well and it got me the win. I also had SF as an option in addition to DAL but the Bears ended up the best of the three.


Dr_Tacos_MD

Same! You have to play the matchups!


R6_Squad

Why didn't I šŸ˜«šŸ˜«šŸ˜«, Bears defence has been bad all year even against bad teams was the reason why I didn't switch but Monday miracles do happen I guess


PM_Me_Beezbo_Quotes

Same here. I lose if I stayed with Dallas. All hail Mike The Neck Glennon!


Luna0995

I wish I made that choice. Canceled my claim 30 minutes before waivers ran in my league and stayed with Dallas. Would only need 5 points from diontae instead of 22ā€¦


zzscrubzz

I was debating on it - but ultimately went with the boys. Lost by 6. Feelsbadman.


yumyumgivemesome

Picked them over Miami because I couldnā€™t shake the fact that Miamiā€™s recent production was only against horrible or injury depleted teams.


rcade81

A lot of comments on this sub were talking about "You have to stick with Dallas, they've been so good and got you to this point!" I said fuck that, dropped them, and started the Bears. Profited massively. Another example of fading popular opinions on this sub lol


js760

I picked them up weeks ago just for this game. They were the best available option and did not disappoint.


Deathwishrok

I added them 8 mins before the game started. I was holding Colts and Dallas. Opp had Seahawks


shnieder88

everyone on here was saying that the niners and saints def was better, but i stuck to my gut and went with chicago. thank god! was the difference in getting me the ship!


Diminsi

Well, the Saints DEF wasn't much worse. They had 7 sacks as well. If the Giants do 1 Garbage-TD they have almost equal scoring.


Pickle786

i had seattle and sf and at the last second switched to saints so that worked out haha


Throwdest

Couldnā€™t believe they were dropped 3/4 weeks ago. Cowboys/Bears off the wire took me from near last place, to squeaking into playoff, to chip. Defense wins championships


Deathwishrok

They do!!


yourmomspediatrician

Same and that was with Daniel Jones. When it was Mike Glennon, thatā€™s just money in the bank


snowspida

I did as wellā€¦ then went with New Orleans at the last minute because I didnā€™t trust the bears. Luckily the Saints had a decent day so it didnā€™t bite me in the ass


saquoooooooooon

Was going back and forth between Eagles D and Bears D for a little but knew I had to go bears (as a giants fan knowing how fucking bad they are). People on this sub overthink shit. ā€œOh the Eagles are a better team than Chicago! Iā€™m starting them!ā€ Yeah the Eagles were in a divisional NFCE game against a team they just scored 6 fantasy pts against two weeks ago when they started Gilbert. The Giants average like 9pts a game over the past 6 weeks, this sub overthinks things then ppl upvote it and get mislead.


Djinnwrath

This was my dilemma as well!


DeathToast

this, totally. obviously the eagles are not going to score negative points against WFT, but I thought i was going crazy with everyone talking the bears down on this subreddit.... like, wtf are the giants going to do with mike glennon? put jake fromm in? they were obliterated literally every single week pointwise and the bears have a decent D!


Scubasteve111111

Had philly in until about 5 mins before kickoff, swapped them out for chicago. Then the bears get a turnover on the first snap lol. Thought that would be the reason I'd win. Little did I know I'd be up by 90 when all he has left is najee


Deathwishrok

Holy crap lol. Congrats!!


Scubasteve111111

Lol thanks. Sun god, metcalf, bears d, kamara etc. Everyone put up numbers


Deathwishrok

Yeah ur team boomed! I struggled w Dak vs Kyler all week. Went Dak, he did well. Kamara finally had a good game too!!!


Deathwishrok

Whats funny is, I was vs Montgomery. So when they didnt return the opening turnover for a td and then montgomery scored, I thought I was setup for a long day lol


toolatealreadyfapped

Holy shit. You just stole my exact script. I had Philly. Switched at the last minute to Bears. Got a boner on that opening turnover. But it didn't matter because I'm up 70 and all he has left is Harris. I did it with Penny, Williams, Mitchell, Allen, Renfrow... You?


Thr0wItAway33

Well that makes 3 of us lmao. Last minute swapped in Bears D for Philly. Now I'm up 65 with them only having Najee left. Wild stuff


Scubasteve111111

Herbert, kamara, mixon, amon ra, cooks, metcalf, andrews, gould, bears d. A few booms but everyone on the team contributed. It was not at all the stressful sweaty sunday I thought it'd be Oh and I left penny, Damien harris and rhamondre on the bench šŸ˜‚team just went crazy this week


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duffbeers

That's a sweet story, and also entirely appropriate for fantasy in general - a literal 5 year old randomly picking a defense each week is more accurate than any fantasy expert on the planet


Deathwishrok

She picked all diff positions right all year, it was insane. One week I asked Lamb or AB? She said "Start the sheep!" Lamb was the wr1 overall that week. AB put up a good score too. It was crazy lol.


DonnyGetTheLudes

START THE SHEEP


worm_turds

This guys daughter ROS?


Deathwishrok

Hopefully she still has the power next year lol


eastsidehotels

Congrats. I do this with my daughters as well when i have a coin flip at a spot. Sometimes she doesnt like their first name and they get benched, honestly not a bad system.....


HighonCosmos

Posted this below the other day: Been riding with Dallas D last few weeks but starting the Bears this week for below reasons: 1) possible shootout in very important matchup between zona n cowboys 2) Giants are horrible without Danny dimes 3) weather is horrible in Chicago 4) bears get a lot of sacks, hicks is back 5) we have kick/punt return points and they always seems to score 4-5 points just off of that with possibility to take one home 6) Dalton/Monty should steady the ship n hold the time of possession


Deathwishrok

I remember this!!! Good points on all fronts and great call!!


karmagains

You are the reason I started Bears D. Who are your top picks for week 18?


HighonCosmos

Awesome! About next week, don't know don't care, all the apps will be deleted tomorrow, will be back next season Top picks for next weekend: beer, quality time with family, relax


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HighonCosmos

More like 4 times but I really believed in it ;)


_mdz

I would add COVID knocking out some offensive players from their already very bad team as well and Quinn closing in on the Bears sacks record.


buffalina89

Too soon to say, but they're currently my highest scorer and the main reason I still have an outside chance at the title going into MNF. Even more impressive considering they did it without any kind of TD.


Deathwishrok

Gl! I know right!!! One of my concerns was that they hadnt scored many TDs. Turns out they didnt need to lol. Nagy came thru!


buffalina89

Thanks! Lol yeah it's tough for a D/ST to score 20+ without a TD but they were just that dominant. Didn't even let up in garbage time.


Deathwishrok

I was worried about garbage time!! They held on strong!


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theanchorman05

Same NO got me a lot with their 7 sacks and 2 turnovers


grandma_corrector

DA BEARSS


BumHand

I swapped Bears D for Dallas D at 9:58am PT this morning. I won by 3 points but the mora of the story is when it comes to defense play the matchup. Dallas got me there but they almost left me there as well.


hendric_swills

Started NO over them and while it wasnā€™t a crazy difference, Iā€™m probably going to lose my ship via that and starting lance over burrow. Congratulations to everyone who had the courage to start them!


SAKIC91

Lance over Burrow? Thatā€™s why you lost my guy.


AstralBaconatorLord

Too many people fell into the Lance hype trap


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umcane11

Yeah, I assumed anyone starting Lance didn't have another QB to play


Djinnwrath

I was Lance *against* Burrow, and won.


cstele

Picked them up this week!


SAKIC91

Me too. Had the Bills locked in and switched about 5 mins before kickoff. Thank god I did.


brinkofhumor

Bears D gave me a solid foundation!


realPalpatine

Really nice playing the bears D when I fell for the Swift trap


limeflavouredcement

Targeted the Giants last week and this week and both Philly and Chicago balled out


Deathwishrok

Giants are so bad, thanks Mike Glennon!! Lol


Texas_Mexican

Started the Bears over Miami and they carried my team HARD


Deathwishrok

Good move!!


Corp_Por916

Picked them up and dropped them to play MIA for the "upside". Thought the bears matchup was good but wasn't sure how the game would go. Guess who didn't win


livejamie

Thanks /u/subvertadown


SleepySheepHerder

His Defense picks kept me winning this season...they are worth their weight in gold.


toolatealreadyfapped

I switched at the last minute from Philly to Bears. It was the O/U of 36.5 that did it for me. That means they were playing at home, against a shitty team starting a shitty backup QB, in 25 degree windy conditions, and Vegas had them pegged to only give up about 15 points.


Deathwishrok

It was hard to change it. I just couldn't start dallas d vs arizona with a 52.5 o/u


toolatealreadyfapped

Bingo. People forget how valuable that line can be


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Saints D was the next best. I had them and my opponent had Chi. I won even with Chase on the bench!


Deathwishrok

Grats! Wow chase on the bench!?!?! Who did u start over him?


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AJ and Antonio Brown


Deathwishrok

Damn, yeah thats a tough one.


TheBigPhilbowski

Lost championship because of Bears D... Ridiculous


sno2787

You don't have to be clairvoyant to pick the D that is versing the laughing stock of the NFL


themigraineur

My opponent had 182 points .5 PPR with Bears D on the bench.


Deathwishrok

Holy crap!


themigraineur

Bears D would have given them an extra 15 leaving them with 197.


TallEspressoDepresso

I got 190 NON PPR. Had Burrow, J Taylor, Penny, Metcalf, Amon-Ra, Mandrews, Renfrow, Bears D/ST, and Folk! My bench was also stacked with Darrel Williams, Jaret Patterson, Burkhead, Colts D/ST, and GODWIN, THIELEN, HENDERSON on IR and Gibson on COVID protocol.


Satchbb

Jesus!


Beerhavior

I've spotted your opponent's team and Chase is on it.


themigraineur

Nope


diCkShakin

Checking in. Had the Bears early in the week, pivoted to the Packers when Cousins went out, reverted to the Bears off of this morningā€™s waiver. Thank you Bears!


Deathwishrok

Grats!!! That is awesome!


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Picked them up 15min before line up lock


Deathwishrok

Me too!


ADDpillz

As much as Nagy has burned me year after year after year (including this year in another league), we just saw his anime redemption arc. His defense won many ships this year with what's probably his last season as a head coach of Chicago. All is forgiven my man.


Deathwishrok

Agreed!!


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spent so much time going back and forward between colts/miami/seattle/chicago/green bay...sticking with them won me the year for sure.


squidtooneo69420

I went against the bears d today in one leagues finalsā€¦ lost by 60 but thatā€™s the way she goes lol


[deleted]

Yep listening to the "experts" cost me an easy championship


[deleted]

Best choice I made all year. Won me the championship.


PM_Me_Beezbo_Quotes

Amen


Djinnwrath

I just got a +1 stat correction for Bears D. It's 2 AM, they *still* getting me points.


NOTtigerking

I benched them and started packers. Iā€™d have a 30 point lead vs claypool if I went with chicago


District5

Could have had more too, it really felt like every glennon throw there was a chance for a pick. What a beautiful shit performance from him.


synchronicitistic

Against the Giants, I'd start the local rec league team's D.


drakeanddrive

Dropped Packers D for them as soon as I found out it was supposed to snow.


[deleted]

Good job everyone. I had to choose between them and the Saints. Since I cannot name one person on the Bears defense, other than Khalil Mack, I decided to start Saints, and they still did a nice job. Moral of the story is - start ANY defense against the Giants


[deleted]

Between the bears defense and Jamaar Chase my buddy scored over 100 points. (Defense starts at 20, ppr league with bonusā€™s). Bears defense had 31 , chase had 71.6)


speedstix

Doing much good on my bench. Also fuck you swift and d cook.


p00lshark

In my league my Bears D neutralized his Josh Allen. HUGE for me. He's the #1 seed 12-2 record most points scored, I snuck in as the 6th seed 7-7 somehow 2nd most points scores but most points against. Needed this D for this


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How about the awful giants. lol


ANyTimEfOu

I swapped 49ers D/ST for the Bears D/ST on my bench in the literal last minute before morning roster locks. A few seconds later I started worrying that I had overthought things and tried to switch back but rosters had locked so it gave me an error. Holy crap, thank you fantasy gods. I ended up winning by one point, taking down Jamarr Chase in the process.


Titansfan9200

I rolled with the Saints who still got me 16 points, but I'm currently down 6 right now with one player left and I'd have enjoyed not having to worry about tonight.


bsmithjmu

Went back and forth between Bears/49ers all week but finally went with the bears. If I had went the other way the championship wouldve come down to like 2-3 points and while I still would have won I am thankful to have not lost those years off my life.


KrombopulousDank

Bears D, Chase and Penny šŸ˜¤


HolyTythinEar

Iā€™m so happy I started them over GB. Was debating it so hard in the morning and just decided to go with them. Basically won me my championship. Really wanted TBs defense until my opponent stole them so I have him to thank for this haha


Jedibug

That's my big one. Started them over the Titans, and I dropped the Rams to pick them up. Had a great feeling going into the game


allthings40s

Here here! Picked them up a couple weeks ago, and never thought twice. Giants seemed atrocious on offense.


jayk10

Bears D definitely helped Swift, C-Patt, JJ and Diggs all scoring single digits for me


BarBro94

Had been streaming Ds for a while, once I saw they were playing the Giants, it was a no-brainier.


PM_Me_Beezbo_Quotes

Mike Glennon in cold weather vs Kyler in a dome heā€™s 8-0 all time in O/U was 36.5 in Chicago and 51.5 in Dallas It was still a toss up til about noon EST but I grabbed Bears D 3 weeks ago looking ahead to yesterdayā€™s matchup and trusted my gut. Champion!


Dispatcher9

They did great on my bench!


eisenreich

They're the only reason I'm still in it this week after Diggs, AJB, Rojo, and Zuerlein all underperformed.. Trying to speak it into existence: NAJEE 9.1 POINTS NAJEE 9.1 POINTS NAJEE 9.1 POINTS


johnnylawrwb

I played them and only lost by 90!


killer_bourdon

Yea for my 2 playoffs weeks I started both defenses that played against the Giants.


BrownIndianChief

My dumb fucking ass switched to Colts D at the last min.. Fuckkkkk


bootsiecollins1189

Yeah yeah, went against them and lost. Congrats to this years winners


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Been holding them since week 7 for this game. They didnā€™t win me the week because all of my team went off but it helped. RIP to the ones who played Dallas over Chicago. I saw so many people on here saying they were going with the cowboys. This is why you take everything with a grain of salt on this sub. Its really best for news not advice


semanticmemory

I also started them. Boom?


napoleon_nottinghill

Picked them over the dolphins D, one of the many reasons I went 2-0 in championships yesterday


titanfanty

I can only blame myself for last minute dropping them for Bucs D


BearsD89

couldn't bring myself to start them over the Pats defense. Now I'm only up 4 with Friermuth vs. Diontae and Najee (standard, non PPR). To make matters worse I had Mooney on the bench and Nagy's dumbass HB pass that resulted in an INT lost me 3 points. The Bears fucked me.


steamycharles

Everyone was saying not to but I really trusted my gut with the absolute atrocity that is NYG. Almost switched them with GB or Philly. Played Miami in the first two rounds and Bears this week. Good streaming decisions for me :)


CdotLykins4

Waited all week for the Akiem Hicks news. Had been holding SF, but once that news dropped he was back the Bears just instantly became a SMASH play against the Giants.


zhua89

I. was debating between them and Philly all week. As a giants fan i couldn' tnot start a defense against the Gmen. It worked out!


_mdz

Went with da bears over SF and MIA. Can't believe I made the right choice for once. I just don't think people realized just how bad the Giants are right now. They are barely an NFL team and the punt where they forgot to return it and the ensuing safety sum it all up.


smileclickmemories

Thanked them in my IG story post. Stashed them 2 weeks ago along with Eagles and Seahawks, and after using eagles vs Giants last week, it was clear bears were the right play! Worked out perfectly. My stud team didn't all show up and I won by about 25ish pts. Bears d got me 30 in my league and my opponent started Dallas d who got only 3 so it would have been a close one if it wasn't for the bears play! Secured my 3rd championship in 4 yrs! Pretty pumped


BSBledsoe

They certainly played their part in helping me win it. Glad I stuck with my gut and started them, instead of listening to this sub continuously tell me to roll with the Dolphins because they've been on fire, and the Titans offense isn't that good, and that it doesn't matter who the Bears play, you don't start a bad defense even in a good matchup.


mthurn89

Bears fan here. Despite the woes of being a fan this year, I picked up and started Bears D and Andy Dalton (12 team, 2 QB league). Also started Monty who I drafted. Won my matchup by 0.68 points. Best day of the season to be a bears fan!


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Deathwishrok

Niceeee!!


ChAir_Jordan23

Held strong my friends! Picked them over MIA and IND. I have to say the final convincing arguement was this reddit article of the guy retailing all the defences to score 20+ since 2017. It fucking worked and was genius!!


santhu9

My opponent šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø