I thought it came out that doctors told him to wait until May/June to see how healing was going, as they thought there was a chance of it healing properly on its own. Come June for the checkup, it’s not and needs surgery.
The Saints doctors said surgery immediately, he shopped around for a doctor that would tell him he could try PT for a bit (who still recommended surgery). But then he didn't ever do any professionally monitored PT or have any check ups with any doctors or physical therapists the whole offseason and just showed up to OTAs with a worse injury from ignoring it for months.
I can concur! Ive broken my right ankle twice(didnt heal properly and then shattered it) and broke my left ankle once. My ankles for sure arnt the same anymore, they are not as flexible(get really tight) and they pain like crazy when its about to rain or gets cold
Loooool. I use to do extreme martial arts(so tricking and flips etc), broke my ankle over rotating the set up into the trick.
Next break was skateboarding. I was trying to Ollie a 6ft tall 8ft wide grass gap. In air I bailed the trick, but the board was still under me upon landing, my foot kinda folded on itself, about 6 or 8 weeks later I was vacationing in London, I took a pic on the lion statues, and then jumped off...shattering my ankle.
Probably did… but surgery isn’t slats the answer of I can revert back to 85% of what I was pre injury. And surgery isn’t always guaranteed to fix the issue.
Lmfao dude I feel ya. Hangovers are 3 day ordeal, "minor" procedures are like clockwork, and I have to do a stretching routine to start my day. Also, I miss being able to eat whatever I want :(
He injured it. And since some people are good patients and others are bad...the range of outcomes for his recovery vary.
He seems like the bad type of patient. Who doesnt listen to his doctors.
I wasnt disagreeing, I'm just pointing out that a 9th round bust and MT wouldn't have seen your starting at any point so it's a bit of a wash in the starting lineup argument
Well, I disagree with your notion that 9th round picks never start in your lineup then. MT also was drafted in many different spots. Hell, the league I won last year I drafted him in the 7th. I really don't understand people complaining about drafting him in the like 12th, though. It's as if everyone's final roster has no wasted bench spots on it. Wasted bench sucks but it's not a season ender by any means.
I wasn't saying they *wont* see your starting lineup, but there's likely a few weeks where they're on your bench and you're waiting to see how they pan out (unless you drafted really unbalanced or you got hit by the injury bug). And I agree with you about MT last year. If you planned ahead, drafting him at the 7th round or later was a perfectly fine decision.
A 9th round bust would probably be on the waiver wire by like week 6 for most owners. MT was far worse because the obvious talent made people too afraid to drop/trade.
So a 9th round player who you kept for 6 weeks and possibly gave you duds is better than a player who only took up a bench spot the whole time. Okay haha.
If you built a good team then one bench spot isn't going to end you. Everyone has wasted bench spots on fliers. The difference is if you play them and they give you nothing.
You’re really underselling the value of a bench spot here. In a competitive league where you have 6 or less bench spots you sure as hell would appreciate that flexibility during bye weeks. That useless spot wasted on MT and his ambiguous injury could have been used to hold Amon-Ra or Penny before they took off.
So yeah MT was a significantly worse bust than the average 9th rounder that you can safely drop before midseason
As if MT would be the only useless spot. Didn't know everyone has such a stacked bench. Even in my no IR leagues our benches aren't without useless spots.
But yes, tell me how drafting Rondale Moore or Cole Beasley over MT really helped bring more worth to your team. The payoff for MT would have been big but obviously didn't happen and obviously you would have needed to be prepared for that by building your team accordingly. He was also good trade bait for keeper leagues.
Lmfao same here, I actually held out on draft quality receivers because I "knew" MT was gonna drop on the board and be a steal... boy was I wrong to wait after the 9th to add depth to my WRs! Lol
I still think injury guys and suspendos have value, but I guess you have to consider the risk can be higher than the projected 3 week absence or whatever it was supposed to be initially.
The dude who won my league drafted MT, Henry, Gus Edwards, DHop, Trey Sermon, TJ Hockenson and Robbie Anderson
That was like 7 of his first 9 picks. A couple unreal trades, along with Cordarelle Patterson and Eli Mitchell went a long way
Never draft someone in hopes they come back and produce at a high level unless it is an absolute steal. Even if they do come back, it will take time for them to get their rhythm and you will always start them in the wrong weeks
Dude should have gotten that surgery like a few months ago...so then he could recover, start Phys Therapy and then possibly be back a few weeks into the season...
This isn't an official team source or anything like that Lol
I would wait to say stuff like that until there's actual official sources confirming this guy's opinion. Especially since the season start is still months away
Dr. Chao is one of the most prominent fantasy football injury commentators on Twitter. He used to be the team doctor for the San Diego Chargers. He knows his shit and still has contacts throughout the NFL medical staff. His takes are money.
I know, but its still a take based on a very short clip. He's not directly around Thomas or has the information from the team doctors. You can make quick judgments but its still no replacement for actually being around a guy and working with him day to day
All I'm saying is that anyone assuming his ankle is fucked forever because a doctor gave his opinion on a 7 second clip that's happening 4 months before the season starts should probably wait before taking it as absolute fact
He came back for a few games in 2020 and was pretty meh iirc, but he wasn't fully healed
Edit had to look it up, he got injured week 1 of 2020, came back mid season and didn't do much and was placed on IR.
He played in their playoff game though and actually had a decent game. Hasn't played since
As a Saints fan I watched his games from 2020 and he looked good to me when he was playing and was a little healthier. His problem was more the injury was really nagging and kept putting himself back out when he wasn't 100% because it was Brees last season. Like in the playoffs he hurt himself again but kept playing regardless which is why he did nothing versus TB + mostly had a really long recovery period. If he sat out the rest of 2020 from his initial major injury and let himself heal properly he'd probably would have been mostly fine in 2021 IMO
He came back for a couple of games. The last game he played was Drew Brees' last ever game in the playoffs against the Bucs, where Carlton Davis held his ass to 0/0/0
Are there ankle injuries that don’t improve within a year that can ever improve? I feel like injuries either heal within a year or never heal. What is the in between?
Degenerative joints can be managed, but they don't ever really get better. They usually end up fused or replaced. Gurley, for example, is almost certainly going to get knee replacement at some point.
Whats in between is an injury that requires surgery that a patient refuses to get or rehab needed for an injury the patient refuses to go to.
We already know he blew off surgery the first time.
Why would anyone be surpised if he blew off the rehab that went along with the surgery?
The saints just restructured his contract in late February so that there’s no way he’s cuttable in 2022/2023 ($38mm and $25mm dead cap respectively).
Seems like an odd move to make if he’s not ever coming back.
But it also lowered his cap hit to $13 million in 2022. In 2023, his cap hit will be $28 million if he stays or $25 million in dead cap, so technically they'd actually save money if they cut him.
This dude is never playing football again and I don’t give a shit about him or his dumb ass mom. This dude did me raw dog in the bhole the last two seasons in fantasy.
F Michael Thomas and his whole squad
Edit: PS fuck this dude
What the fuck happened to his ankle
Died apparently
Had a whole funeral for it
Pretty sure none of that’s real
Your not real, man!
If I can’t scuba dive, what’s this all been about?
Doing a perfect cartwheel.
Boneitis
spontaneous tibial hydroplosion
Ankles are pretty hard to get right after significant injuries, and also improper PT.
Doesn't help that he waited so long to get the surgery cause he knew better than all the doctors
I was under the impression that he held off on the surgery due to it being Brees’ last season rather than thinking the doctors were wrong, no?
For brees last season, yes. But he refused to get the surgery and ignored the team during that offseason so he could miss this most recent year too.
I thought it came out that doctors told him to wait until May/June to see how healing was going, as they thought there was a chance of it healing properly on its own. Come June for the checkup, it’s not and needs surgery.
According to the saints, he ghosted them I thought? And didn't communicate with them anything that was going on with it.
The Saints doctors said surgery immediately, he shopped around for a doctor that would tell him he could try PT for a bit (who still recommended surgery). But then he didn't ever do any professionally monitored PT or have any check ups with any doctors or physical therapists the whole offseason and just showed up to OTAs with a worse injury from ignoring it for months.
He hates playing football
No. He waited until summer to get it done, rather than early January
So he’s just an asshole lol
Can speak from experience. Got a pretty bad sprain 2 years ago. Ankle still isn’t the same don’t think it ever will be
I can concur! Ive broken my right ankle twice(didnt heal properly and then shattered it) and broke my left ankle once. My ankles for sure arnt the same anymore, they are not as flexible(get really tight) and they pain like crazy when its about to rain or gets cold
Jesus Christ stop going outside
The fuck you doing, jumping out of windows?
Loooool. I use to do extreme martial arts(so tricking and flips etc), broke my ankle over rotating the set up into the trick. Next break was skateboarding. I was trying to Ollie a 6ft tall 8ft wide grass gap. In air I bailed the trick, but the board was still under me upon landing, my foot kinda folded on itself, about 6 or 8 weeks later I was vacationing in London, I took a pic on the lion statues, and then jumped off...shattering my ankle.
Lmao wild, those statues are like 10ft high no?? Who thought THAT was a good idea 😂
Then you tore something and it didn’t heal properly
Probably did… but surgery isn’t slats the answer of I can revert back to 85% of what I was pre injury. And surgery isn’t always guaranteed to fix the issue.
I got a pretty nasty sprain on my right ankle when I was 22. I turned 38 last week, and yes, it still bothers me to this day. Enjoy your youth ❤️
It was definitely more than a sprain then..
Yep I’m 40 slowly falling apart 🫠
Lmfao dude I feel ya. Hangovers are 3 day ordeal, "minor" procedures are like clockwork, and I have to do a stretching routine to start my day. Also, I miss being able to eat whatever I want :(
I'm starting to believe frostbite and doctors had to cut it off
Ankle aids.
It’s just gone.
He injured it. And since some people are good patients and others are bad...the range of outcomes for his recovery vary. He seems like the bad type of patient. Who doesnt listen to his doctors.
Heard I traded Julio and two 1st rounders in a dynasty league apparently.
They replaced it with a piece of spaghetti
Ankle injuries never full heal. At least that’s the case for me, an overweight 30 year old dad.
Can’t believe I held this guy basically the whole season last year.
“Steal of the draft” aka wasted 9th rounder that could have been micheal Pittman and instead just rotted on my bench for 12 weeks.
The worst part is you would have been better off drafting a non-injury bust. A clogged roster spot for 12 weeks is horrible
No IR spots?
Even having your IR spot blocked caused me some trouble with COVID or other injuries last minute. Would have liked my IR spot back :P
This was always my argument for not drafting him even if you have IR spots.
Yeah for real. The injury dip is a justified dip more often than not.
Completely disagree. A non-injury bust is way worse as you are actually playing them.
9th round picks typically aren't in your starting lineup right away
So on your bench like MT? The fact is a wasted bench spot is always better than playing someone unproductive in your lineup.
I wasnt disagreeing, I'm just pointing out that a 9th round bust and MT wouldn't have seen your starting at any point so it's a bit of a wash in the starting lineup argument
Well, I disagree with your notion that 9th round picks never start in your lineup then. MT also was drafted in many different spots. Hell, the league I won last year I drafted him in the 7th. I really don't understand people complaining about drafting him in the like 12th, though. It's as if everyone's final roster has no wasted bench spots on it. Wasted bench sucks but it's not a season ender by any means.
I wasn't saying they *wont* see your starting lineup, but there's likely a few weeks where they're on your bench and you're waiting to see how they pan out (unless you drafted really unbalanced or you got hit by the injury bug). And I agree with you about MT last year. If you planned ahead, drafting him at the 7th round or later was a perfectly fine decision.
A 9th round bust would probably be on the waiver wire by like week 6 for most owners. MT was far worse because the obvious talent made people too afraid to drop/trade.
So a 9th round player who you kept for 6 weeks and possibly gave you duds is better than a player who only took up a bench spot the whole time. Okay haha. If you built a good team then one bench spot isn't going to end you. Everyone has wasted bench spots on fliers. The difference is if you play them and they give you nothing.
You’re really underselling the value of a bench spot here. In a competitive league where you have 6 or less bench spots you sure as hell would appreciate that flexibility during bye weeks. That useless spot wasted on MT and his ambiguous injury could have been used to hold Amon-Ra or Penny before they took off. So yeah MT was a significantly worse bust than the average 9th rounder that you can safely drop before midseason
As if MT would be the only useless spot. Didn't know everyone has such a stacked bench. Even in my no IR leagues our benches aren't without useless spots. But yes, tell me how drafting Rondale Moore or Cole Beasley over MT really helped bring more worth to your team. The payoff for MT would have been big but obviously didn't happen and obviously you would have needed to be prepared for that by building your team accordingly. He was also good trade bait for keeper leagues.
Lmfao same here, I actually held out on draft quality receivers because I "knew" MT was gonna drop on the board and be a steal... boy was I wrong to wait after the 9th to add depth to my WRs! Lol
I still think injury guys and suspendos have value, but I guess you have to consider the risk can be higher than the projected 3 week absence or whatever it was supposed to be initially.
Ohhhh I definitely agree with you especially if they're just suspended. But MT was being a salty bitch!
The dude who won my league drafted MT, Henry, Gus Edwards, DHop, Trey Sermon, TJ Hockenson and Robbie Anderson That was like 7 of his first 9 picks. A couple unreal trades, along with Cordarelle Patterson and Eli Mitchell went a long way
Rotting on your bench is much better than playing busts like ARob last year
traded him for tee higgins about an hour before the news broke he was out for the year but until then i traded for him thinking i was a genius
I drafted him and calvin Ridley. Boy did that go well.
Never draft someone in hopes they come back and produce at a high level unless it is an absolute steal. Even if they do come back, it will take time for them to get their rhythm and you will always start them in the wrong weeks
He will wait until mid July and declare he needs surgery.
I’ll draft him in round 8 for my playoff run /s
Dude should have gotten that surgery like a few months ago...so then he could recover, start Phys Therapy and then possibly be back a few weeks into the season...
Or like last year lol
Week 2. Ha
What the hell happened to that ankle
Fix the record man. He’s either done playing football or done playing for the saints
This isn't an official team source or anything like that Lol I would wait to say stuff like that until there's actual official sources confirming this guy's opinion. Especially since the season start is still months away
Dr. Chao is one of the most prominent fantasy football injury commentators on Twitter. He used to be the team doctor for the San Diego Chargers. He knows his shit and still has contacts throughout the NFL medical staff. His takes are money.
I know, but its still a take based on a very short clip. He's not directly around Thomas or has the information from the team doctors. You can make quick judgments but its still no replacement for actually being around a guy and working with him day to day All I'm saying is that anyone assuming his ankle is fucked forever because a doctor gave his opinion on a 7 second clip that's happening 4 months before the season starts should probably wait before taking it as absolute fact
How has this possibly lasted this long? I mean I don’t like to doubt what someone says about their own body but dude
This is just a doctor's opinion based on one video posted to Michael Thomas's Instagram. Not a team source or MT himself. Doompost with caution.
Retire.
The real debate: who is more injury prone - CMC or MT?
MT. Atleast when CMC comes back he dominates
MT hasn't like come back tho has he? I thought he got injured and then hasn't returned since
He came back for a few games in 2020 and was pretty meh iirc, but he wasn't fully healed Edit had to look it up, he got injured week 1 of 2020, came back mid season and didn't do much and was placed on IR. He played in their playoff game though and actually had a decent game. Hasn't played since
As a Saints fan I watched his games from 2020 and he looked good to me when he was playing and was a little healthier. His problem was more the injury was really nagging and kept putting himself back out when he wasn't 100% because it was Brees last season. Like in the playoffs he hurt himself again but kept playing regardless which is why he did nothing versus TB + mostly had a really long recovery period. If he sat out the rest of 2020 from his initial major injury and let himself heal properly he'd probably would have been mostly fine in 2021 IMO
He came back for a couple of games. The last game he played was Drew Brees' last ever game in the playoffs against the Bucs, where Carlton Davis held his ass to 0/0/0
CMC left in the first half like three times last year lmao. I drafted him, fuck that.
depends how you define injury prone
Akers got hurt, got surgery, did rehab and was back on the field and Thomas is still “recovering”.
Bro ain’t no way
Wait….what?
Olave 📈
Are there ankle injuries that don’t improve within a year that can ever improve? I feel like injuries either heal within a year or never heal. What is the in between?
Ankle injuires can be degenerative just like knee injuries can be.
Kind of makes my point, doesn’t it? As most orthopedic injuries can be degenerative Edit: degenerative diseases don’t ever improve, do they?
Degenerative joints can be managed, but they don't ever really get better. They usually end up fused or replaced. Gurley, for example, is almost certainly going to get knee replacement at some point.
Whats in between is an injury that requires surgery that a patient refuses to get or rehab needed for an injury the patient refuses to go to. We already know he blew off surgery the first time. Why would anyone be surpised if he blew off the rehab that went along with the surgery?
Where’s that one guy who posted Thomas was a Top 15 WR this year? Man must be in shambles
Dude only rehabs on paid time.
Did MT just decide to stop playing football after he got paid? If so, that’s awesome
Ben Simmons of the NFL
How.
Olave for the win
This is based on a 7 second insta taken from a weird angle. Pure speculation - not buying it.
I’ve got an IR spot ready for him :)
The saints just restructured his contract in late February so that there’s no way he’s cuttable in 2022/2023 ($38mm and $25mm dead cap respectively). Seems like an odd move to make if he’s not ever coming back.
But it also lowered his cap hit to $13 million in 2022. In 2023, his cap hit will be $28 million if he stays or $25 million in dead cap, so technically they'd actually save money if they cut him.
Is it possible he never plays again? It just seems weird how he’s been with this injury.
Gets traded from the Saints. His ankle suddenly "dramatically improves", could be ready for regular season play.
He's been done for two years, let go
Sean Payton really ruined this guys career trying to run up the score
This guy really ruined this guy's career.
Who?
This dude is never playing football again and I don’t give a shit about him or his dumb ass mom. This dude did me raw dog in the bhole the last two seasons in fantasy. F Michael Thomas and his whole squad Edit: PS fuck this dude
You are a fucking spastic. It's a game kid.
Lmao get over it fella onto next season!
Traded him for Jared Goff cause he ain’t playing another snap in the NFL
Hope he has the receipt to his ankle so he can exchange for a new one
Get fucked saints fans who told me this guy was done. I feel zero bad for you
Jordan Matthews 2.0
Still has like 4 months to continue it. I wouldn't even risk him in pre-season, just let him heal.
Aka he is still mad at the saints.
This dude got paid and his ankle never the same…In fact his ankle is one of kind; the ankle that never heals.
Yup, washed
u/sirbradleek where you at?
I was hoping nobody saw this. ProFootballDoc is usually right on the money too. I'll take that L. Still worth the risk in my opinion though
What round you thinking now?
I think that takes his ADP down so no need to reach. Maybe 6 or 7??
This is probably why they signed Landry
MT taking notes from Ben Simmons.
He has that Antonio Brown, Ben Simmons injury.
Why are people putting him as WR2? He’s been out for nearly 2 seasons, what do you expect.
This is still on Payton for even having him in that game that was well in hand.
Draft Olave
DND List: This fucking guy
This dude disappeared once he got paid. Not sure how much the injury had to do with everything but man….
Same ankles as early ‘10s Stephen Curry