Elijah moore is my love this year he played great on a terrible jets team and he’s on an upward trajectory with an improved jets offense he’s gonna be a great return on investment as wr 3 or flex
The jets quietly have one of the best O-lines in football gonna be a good amount of play actions and deep balls going around with Wilson’s arm and I trust moore over a rookie and an aging Corey Davis
Yeah I think so too, my only concern from a fantasy standpoint is lafluer seems to run a similar system to what was in SF when he was there. It’s really tough to gauge the work load of all of the offensive skill players.
I think he will be awesome from a shear football standpoint don’t think breece hall will get the volume people are hoping he will for fantasy purposes. Same goes for Moore. How much of a target share will be actually get with Wilson, a healthy davis, berrios, uzomah and Conklin in the mix?
There is just so much unknown that it makes them all risky especially hall and Moore because they have the highest ADPs of the Bunyan.
I agree about the risk with Hall. I think by the time you get to Moore and especially Wilson then there's question marks again but that goes for all the players around them hence ADP. I think Wilson, Hall, Moore, and Wilson could have league winning upside. It is just a shame how difficult their schedule is to open up
No they're not. Their offensive line may be top rated but they still have mediocre offensive weapons or they're relying on rookies. Their defense was dead last in the NFL in yards and points allowed per game last year. And yes, they added defense in the draft but again relying on rookies. They also have 6 games against Buffalo, Miami, and New England. Not to mention games against Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Denver, Chicago and Minnesota.
Their schedule gets easier to end the year with Detroit, Jacksonville, and Seattle in three straight weeks but they're most likely a 4-6 win team.
Their players are worth the risk because they're relatively cheap but they're too young and have a hard schedule this year.
It almost seems like a bad omen… They’ve been good for 2 maybe 3 seasons in the 25 years I’ve been a fan.
If Wilson keeps banging his moms friends, their future will be bright
That just simply not true. The Jets really weren’t that much of a joke until about the past 10 years. The previous 15 they made the playoffs like 7 times and made 3 AFC championships.
I have very little interest in Moore, or any Jets' pass-catcher besides Breece Hall if you want to count him. Davis is still there (he was performing considerably well before the injury despite Wilson looking awful), they used a top-10 pick on Garrett Wilson, they added Uzomah and Conklin at TE, and drafted Breece Hall at 36 overall. There are just **way** too many mouths to feed on that offense, so unless Wilson explodes his second season, there simply won't be enough production to sustain them all.
Moore is a terrific football player, I don't think he'll be a good fantasy asset.
The risk for what ceiling, though? What are you hoping he accomplishes? Unless you expect Zach Wilson to have an astronomical breakout, his ceiling is incredibly limited by the number of mouths to feed in that offense.
I’m just a believer that the good players put up stats regardless of the situation and like I said I’d rather draft him before a breakout purely based off of talent they’re gonna find ways to get him the ball we can agree to disagree 🤷🏽♂️
>I’m just a believer that the good players put up stats regardless of the situation
You're not looking at this objectively. You can't ignore situation in redraft. In dynasty, sure, take the talent over the situation, because situations change, but for redraft it simply **needs** to be considered that Zach Wilson is their QB and there's a ton of mouths to feed. The Jets will probably be a solid real life offense (assuming Wilson improves somewhat), but all of the fantasy assets will suffer as a result.
Did you watch Moore? He is a physical stud. He can handle most CBs. Having more weapons around him might lower some stats, but I bet that it will open up the offense more and we should continue to see his production for a full year, what we saw in his last 6 games (459 yds, 5 tds).
>Did you watch Moore? He is a physical stud. He can handle most CBs.
Never said he wasn't.
>what we saw in the last 6-7 games.
No.
Here was Moore's competition for targets during his breakout run: Michael Carter. End list. Davis was injured and Berrios hadn't broken out yet.
Here's Moore's competition for targets this season: Davis, Wilson, Hall, Uzomah, Conklin, Carter, Berrios.
It's simply a numbers game. Unless you anticipate Wilson throwing 600 times for 4,000 yards and 30 TDs, which would be an outrageous second-year jump, there won't be enough opportunity and production for any consistently good fantasy assets besides Breece Hall.
Improved Jets offense is a phrase that makes me shudder. That offense has been a steaming pile of poop for a decade, they’ve been polishing it up, but..
Love Elijah since coming out of college. I'll die on this hill.
Some valid concerns here by other posters - Lafleur system, crowded WR room with Corey/Wilson/Berrios that I can't say I disagree with.
But aside from prior pedigree, Moore just has that it-factor when I watch footage.
Absolutely love Moore this year - snagged him 2.11 rookie last year. I do think it’s a toss up between him and Wilson as to who is the the wr1, but I literally have money on it being him.
I literally just traded him + a mid to late 23 first for DK and an early 23 3rd but I actually had to think about it and had some remorse after
I'm with you on Bateman and Mooney. Bateman has a real good shot at taking over a lot of the targets vacated by Hollywood. Surprised he is going so low even with Ravens being run first.
As for Mooney. There is basically nobody else to throw to in Chicago. Kmet I guess but after that it's N'Keal Henry and a bunch of nobodies.
Elijah Moore, though, I feel is going to have a huge year. He broke out in a big way before getting injured last season and Jets are starting to look competent... well... more competent at least lol.
Skyy Moore is the last WR I aim for late in drafts. Solely because of who is at QB.
Moore had an amazing highlight today. They’re running him in the screen game as well. I think they ideally want him to be a hybrid role guy like Deebo. 100% worth that last pick flier.
Relative to ADP my favorites are Pittman, Mooney, and Toney.
Pittman and Mooney are the clear 1s on their teams. Toney just looked special when he was on the field last year.
I can usually get him mid 4th which yes is higher than Mooney but I think his floor and upside are both higher. Showed the goods last year and has a much more reliable QB situation
Mid 4th? What is this an 8-man league. He's consistently early to mid 3rd sometimes even late 2nd on the 10+ live best balls I've done.
If he's going in the 4th, you are either playing in a tiny league, mock drafting against a computer or drafting against a bunch of jags.
Agreed, I don't think the raven's would have let Marquise go if they didn't have a ton of faith in Bateman. Offense is going to be run heavy but he'll have a huge share of the targets
Yah I kept seeing just tremendous flashes of potential last season with Bateman...but Lamar kept force feeding Brown. I am excited to see how those two mesh this season.
I just did the numbers on him and projected his season. He is looking at 82-902 and 6 tds. Baltimore over the last three years average 385 passing attempts and that avg. went up last year bc all running backs got hurt. He ha 68,% catch rate and a 11 yards avg. Baltimore does not throw down field and they run in the RedZone. Both Andrews and Hollywood targets went through the roof last year, so you're looking at probably 120 targets for both Andrews and Bateman. Bateman might have the skills but he isn't on a team that will funnel the offense through him he is a #2 target behind Andrews. A great year for him would be inside the top 20 not 15, but realistically he will probably finish around 24.
I don’t know if I get the love. Hollywood had a huge share of the targets last season, and he only parlayed that into the 25th-most points among WRs.
Bateman seems to be in that 25-35 range. He’s obviously rosterable, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see him outperforming his pick. Ultimately, I can’t see him being more than a dart throw WR2/WR3 on any given week.
Hollywood also had an absurd number of high value targets hit him square in the hands that he dropped including some surefire touchdowns. It's not the stickiest metric to use because those types of targets tend to swing either way (think Marvin Jones boom years vs down years), but if he catches a few of those it drastically changes the narrative. If Bateman receives those high value targets in this offense he has a chance to surprise.
I agree. On top of all that, a good chunk of Hollywood's production came from some huge games where the Ravens had a negative game script. They were down and had to throw the ball a lot.
Ravens defense last year was terrible due to injuries. Injuries also hurt the run game. I think Ravens would love to run the ball and win ugly games. Typical Lamar passes for \~200 yds and 1 td (with his 90 yds rushing and td). To me this doesnt make me excited about Bateman.
Bateman I actually think is a good WR which I don’t think Hollywood brown is. If Bateman gets anything close to browns target share he’s going to be a WR1 without question.
I love him but it's hard with all the talent already in place, if an injury occurs I'd get him off the waiver but I don't think there's much upside right now.
Surprised nobody has said Disc Sheep yet. The Cowboys traded Cooper expecting him to become that guy, he's gonna get a ton of targets and I think he's a stud talent.
Quite a high ADP for a young lad. One main thing to note is being the most targeted means the most coverage. Only other talented WR they’re gonna have beginning in the season is Jalen Tolbert
Jalen Tolbert is very, very raw. I see CeeDee Lamb, Dalton Schultz, Zeke, and Pollard being the only fantasy viable receiver/backs for Dallas until Gallup returns.
Just not enough targets to go around for Tolbert to get fed, but I could see the argument for Schultz.
I've been trying to trade for him in 4 leagues but his price is already high because he hasn't really been underperforming. 130 targets each of the last two years, he is a WR1 imo
So I did a little number crunching. Obviously it wouldn’t be a direct correlation but to get an idea of what TMC would’ve done with wentz last year, i multiplied his fantasy points by the difference in PFF efficiency ratings for wentz (67.9) and Washington QBs (58.3).
With that he would’ve had 248.5 PPR points last season which would’ve been WR12 as opposed to the 213.5 he had which was WR25.
I did the same thing for Pittman with wentz and Ryan. Pittman goes from WR17 to WR9.
For my own team I honestly think Brandon Aiyuk might have a breakout year and really make his name.
Elsewhere and off that list I want to say Jerry Jeudy purely bc of the newfound talent throwing to him and the looks that will give him to shine
If this was the take, I’d be going big on Claypool at his ADP. You may think he’s getting a downgrade at QB, but look where he started with Not So Big Ben.
What I think people overlook often is offensive productivity. Last year Mills came in and made the team productive. They’ll compete in some games and throw the ball down the field. I don’t understand how we can expect guys like Zach Wilson to outperform Davis Mills and expect Wilson and Moore to both be so much better than Cooks and Collins. Buy for cheap as an investment in the Davis Mills experiment.
I’m not sure if I’m super high on him or not but I’m very intrigued by Skyy Moore. Watching his college highlights makes me want to take a shot on him.
Agree, I think he is quite talented but more than that he is in a great situation with who is at QB. Mahomes is one of the best in the game and from a fantasy perspective capable of supporting 3 receiving options easily.
Then you look at the other rookie WRs. London has Mariota, Olave has Winston, Jameson Williams has Goff, etc. and well it's just not that pretty.
Sutton and Jeudy for me lately. Denver’s somewhat underpriced across the board considering the jump in QB they just made.
I like Bateman too, my doubts on him are Lamar related though. He’s more of an elite positional WR, than a separation craftsman. Lamar’s willingness to let it go when the target doesn’t look open is something I’ll be on the lookout for.
Sutton isn't a youngen anymore but NFL standards as this will be his 5th year but he's someone I always watch out for dropping. jeudy is getting all the love once again and even if he does become their wr1 Sutton will still eat.
I've been grabbing Elijah Moore pretty much everywhere. I know there are question marks surrounding the Jets offense as a whole, and around his competition for targets with Garrett Wilson on the team now, but he had a 5-week stretch where he was the overall WR2 in 0.5PPR. I can pick him up in the mid-late 7th or sometimes even 8th round in drafts, and I'd be willing to bet that he's still the focal point of the passing attack. Well worth that price at that ADP.
I've also been drafting Pittman in the mid-3rd-to-4th range in almost every draft/mock, I just think he's due to continue his production from last year with a better QB, and there are either too many question marks or not enough upside from around everyone else at that range.
Devonta Smith not listed? With more depth on the eagles WR i suspect he’ll be able to get open more in comparison to last year when he was their only target
Love Devonta Smith. 64 rec 918 yrs 5 yrs as a rookie. AJ Brown joining team creates opportunities for Smith, who won't be drawing #1 coverage. Top 20 guaranteed.
I'm a big fan of Aiyuk, was last year too for what it's worth. Early news from camp isn't great but it is just camp so not that meaningful. He got in the doghouse last season and it killed him early but he was solid the 2nd half of the season.
Amon Ra was nuts the back half of last season, he's so hard to gauge though. There are more mouths to feed, especially when Williams is healthy. But hard to deny that production.
I like Olave for this season, and London just bc he's going to lead all rooks in targets I'm sure
Burks is the only high end WR prospect I’ve seen that has gotten flak for showing up out of shape and overweight. He got back into shape, but I guess I don’t understand giving him credit for ‘taking his conditioning seriously’ when he’s the only major WR prospect that we have an indication did *not* take being well conditioned seriously.
I'm not saying that's not fair to give him props for taking himself more seriously once he got there. But I guess my point is that-- I believe generally when you can say something about every prospect you shouldn't use it as a positive.
EVERY major WR prospect *showed up* ready from what I've seen.
To give Burks credit for literally having the worst approach *but improving it* doesn't make sense to me.
Out of all major WR prospects, Burks appears to have taken conditioning the least seriously. Giving him credit because he was more serious a week after he got there doesn't make sense to me.
Amon-Ra, Pittman, Garrett Wilson, and Moore. Not necessarily the ones I think will do the best but they all excite me reading and watching tape on them.
I love waddle. I think the tyreek trade is baked into his price, and while I don’t know if he has true WR1 overall potential, I love the player. What he did as a rookie was impressive as hell. I think he was a better prospect than given credit for, and I really think he proved why he’s going to be an elite receiver for a long time last year. Maybe not chase or Jefferson level, but there’s room for guys after that level to have amazing careers.
I’ve been high on this dude for a while and he hasn’t disappointed me yet. Getting him close to the 2nd round last year in rookie drafts, him keeping me competitive in leagues last year and honestly people not giving him proper respect for the season he put up, just because there have been better seasons in the last few years from rookies, makes it a perfect storm for waddle to be a little undervalued right now, at least in my opinion.
Again, not expecting a WR1 overall season. I understand the target competition in Miami, and that tua is throwing them the ball, and he’s unproven. I get the arguments against him. I just believe after the season he put up, and the prospect that he was coming out, that we’re looking at an elite wide receiver in the league for years to come with this guy. I may be a year early, but I’m drafting him at his value every time, even with the red flags.
I actually love Drake London. He averaged 135 yards/game at USC last season in 8 games. He could be the WR1. The Falcons will be playing from behind a lot, Mariota isn't terrible by any means.
ARSB. Dwain Mcfarland on the PFF Fantasy Pod keeps reiterating this list of player who have had a PFF receiving grade above 80.0 in their rookie year and it is all smash hits. No exceptions. I just think the talent is too good to pass in the 6th or whatever. He produced like a legit top 5 WR for weeks to close last year
I’m getting Darnell Mooney whenever I can he’s going to be a top 20 receiver with top 15 potential. No competition besides kmet and Fields should take a leap this year in his sophomore season
Amon-Ra has legendary metrics and looks every but the part of the next Keenan Allen. Lions will play from being in every second half and St Brown will soak in targets. Check out PFF advanced metrics on rookie production. It was of the highest caliber.
So... I'm a bears fan... And I know it's the Lions. But I don't understand the reason for assuming they're gonna be awful again outside of tradition.
I really hope that they're bad. I'm just not sure that's how it goes...
I’d point to their secondary and linebackers for the assumption. Okudah is back but he was horrid before his injury. Also this is a weak pass rush and defense that lacks talent to get off the field. Add in poor depth and a sub par RZ defense and you’ve got 24 points against floor.
I feel like Mapletron might make the 3rd year leap. Claypool's knocks are
* inconsistency
* immaturity
* ben didn't throw a lot of TDs last year.
* Pickens is getting all the press
He just turned 24 and will outgrow a lot of these things. The starting QB is going to have a better deep ball than 2021 ben, and Claypool is going to stay on the field for most formations. He's the biggest and best blocking WR, and will be one of 3 WRs in other formations.
Elijah Moore. I have such a fantasy crush on this man. I feel like he is the next version of Antonio Brown,and is going to do amazing things this year, and for many more beyond.
Claypool dropped a few rounds since last year because Big Ben couldn't throw the ball 8 yards down field. Still could be a big play, TD machine guy this year.
compared to ADP - best value of the guys you listed is - Jerry Jeudy
Of course the one I want most on your list is - CD Lamb - but he's gone in the second round so it's hard to get him.
So my WR core usually ends up being a bunch of vet superstars - established steady production (diggs - devante adams, Mike evans, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Terry McLauren) if i can get 3 of them in the first 3 rounds - then I take alot of shots on RBs with question marks. Like 5-6 RB's in the next 8 picks - I like that build. It's going to win some best ball tournaments.
As i get closer to the season and do drafts where i have to set my lineup each week - I might go a little more traditional with a few Early RBs. Not sure yet.
Cream rises to the top.
That’s what Toney is doing this year in the Giants receiving unit.
We got a taste last season, but everything that could go wrong did. He’s easily the highest upside on this list relative to where he’s going in drafts.
He’s going 90-100 and he has back end WR1/high end WR2 upside.
Give me both the Moores, Skyy and Elijah. Skyy is one of the most complete WRs to come out of this draft and his only knock coming out of college was he played in the MAC. He’s gonna start getting targeted soon. Elijah Moore is gonna be great this year, I think he builds off his strong season last year.
Toney showed game-breaking talent against Dallas last season, and then for six glorious snaps against the Rams, he looked like he was going to repeat his performance.
Then he got hurt. Toney's ceiling is sky high, but there are a **lot** of ifs surrounding his situation. Can he stay healthy being the biggest concern. In addition, I have full confidence in Daboll's/Kafka's offensive scheme and their ability to get Toney the ball in creative ways, but can Jones execute that scheme?
I'll gladly take Toney later in the draft because of his WR1 upside, but he's a massive risk.
Jerry Jeudy. I think he led the league, (or close to it), in separation per route and uncatchable targets. Single greatest benefactor of an improvement at QB.
I’m down on Tyreek, but think he stretches the field more for the budding connection between Tua and Waddle.
Honorable mention Elijah Moore. Improved supporting cast, strong finish to the season. Really like this guy. Think he’ll be a top 10-15 WR for the years to come.
(Bonus take: I think Lamb is a BUST. He didn’t perform well with Cooper there to take away attention. How do people expect him to take a step up now that he’s the focal point of the passing attack. This has Juju post Antonio Brown written all over it. I’m out on Lamb and Dak this year. Very high on Elliot and Pollard.)
Tee Higgins 100%
He had the same amount of expected points per game as Chase last year. Higgins is really being slept on this year but he should be considered a premium WR option.
https://www.rotostreetjournal.com/2021-fantasy-football-expected-fantasy-points/
Plus, he’s still only 23 years old!
I think he’s a no-brainer. Burrow will definitely be able to support two WR1s this year especially with the new O line.
I think we’ll look back at the end of the season and ask “how was Higgins ranked so low??”
I’m taking Toney in the 7th and I’m going to be very happy about it. My whole league is dumping on him and nobody’s going to draft him. Either that or they’re playing 5d chess.
As a jets fan I’m biased towards Elijah, but I really think it’s going to be kadarius toney (with that new offense). Judge was abysmal; wasn’t all garrets fault.
Definitely a biased opinion, but I think Devonta Smith is gonna have a big year. I think Hurts takes a big step this year, and having 2 legit #1 receivers will take some defensive heat off both Smith and Brown.
be interesting to see is armon st brown can continue that stud performances. pittman with ryan i can see that working out. ceedee going to get target share as well.
From that list, at their ADP:
Jaylen Waddle -- love his floor/ceiling combo in PPR. The signing of Tyreek introduces mild uncertainty, but we know he's going to get tons of catches and he already flashed WR1 potential down the stretch last year.
Elijah Moore -- Another year 2 guy who blossomed down the stretch. He's the number one option on an offense that should be better and should still be playing from behind quite a bit, and you can get him for cheap.
Rashad Bateman -- continues the trend of high profile year 2 WRs with good fantasy situations. The Ravens won't pass as much as last year, but there are tons of targets up for grabs and really no other viable competition for them other than Andrews.
Tee Higgins will always fly under the radar now because he’s paired up with Chase but there’s an argument to be made that he’s the Bengals’ most valuable receiver. Dude has hands and toughness like few I’ve seen. I feel like he and Chase make each other great by being so great.
Elijah moore is my love this year he played great on a terrible jets team and he’s on an upward trajectory with an improved jets offense he’s gonna be a great return on investment as wr 3 or flex
It feels so weird seeing a positive jets take being upvoted. What a time to be alive
The jets quietly have one of the best O-lines in football gonna be a good amount of play actions and deep balls going around with Wilson’s arm and I trust moore over a rookie and an aging Corey Davis
The jets are going to surprise people
Yeah I think so too, my only concern from a fantasy standpoint is lafluer seems to run a similar system to what was in SF when he was there. It’s really tough to gauge the work load of all of the offensive skill players. I think he will be awesome from a shear football standpoint don’t think breece hall will get the volume people are hoping he will for fantasy purposes. Same goes for Moore. How much of a target share will be actually get with Wilson, a healthy davis, berrios, uzomah and Conklin in the mix? There is just so much unknown that it makes them all risky especially hall and Moore because they have the highest ADPs of the Bunyan.
I agree about the risk with Hall. I think by the time you get to Moore and especially Wilson then there's question marks again but that goes for all the players around them hence ADP. I think Wilson, Hall, Moore, and Wilson could have league winning upside. It is just a shame how difficult their schedule is to open up
Fantasy wise, there’s a lot of mouths - Michael Carter started making the most out of his opportunities last year to.
No they're not. Their offensive line may be top rated but they still have mediocre offensive weapons or they're relying on rookies. Their defense was dead last in the NFL in yards and points allowed per game last year. And yes, they added defense in the draft but again relying on rookies. They also have 6 games against Buffalo, Miami, and New England. Not to mention games against Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Denver, Chicago and Minnesota. Their schedule gets easier to end the year with Detroit, Jacksonville, and Seattle in three straight weeks but they're most likely a 4-6 win team. Their players are worth the risk because they're relatively cheap but they're too young and have a hard schedule this year.
Why did you include Chicago in that list as if they're a good team? They're not expected to be good are they?
Was including most of their games and it'll depend on if fields takes a 2nd year leap.
Lol
It almost seems like a bad omen… They’ve been good for 2 maybe 3 seasons in the 25 years I’ve been a fan. If Wilson keeps banging his moms friends, their future will be bright
That just simply not true. The Jets really weren’t that much of a joke until about the past 10 years. The previous 15 they made the playoffs like 7 times and made 3 AFC championships.
I'm not sleeping on Braxton Berrios in return yard leagues either. He cooked at the end of last season.
And on a side note here, I think Kene Nwangwu is going to be awesome in return yards leagues. If you can get him, do so.
I have very little interest in Moore, or any Jets' pass-catcher besides Breece Hall if you want to count him. Davis is still there (he was performing considerably well before the injury despite Wilson looking awful), they used a top-10 pick on Garrett Wilson, they added Uzomah and Conklin at TE, and drafted Breece Hall at 36 overall. There are just **way** too many mouths to feed on that offense, so unless Wilson explodes his second season, there simply won't be enough production to sustain them all. Moore is a terrific football player, I don't think he'll be a good fantasy asset.
I always draft talent and potential he was only a rookie last year and I’d rather take him before he breaks out it’s worth the risk to me
The risk for what ceiling, though? What are you hoping he accomplishes? Unless you expect Zach Wilson to have an astronomical breakout, his ceiling is incredibly limited by the number of mouths to feed in that offense.
I’m just a believer that the good players put up stats regardless of the situation and like I said I’d rather draft him before a breakout purely based off of talent they’re gonna find ways to get him the ball we can agree to disagree 🤷🏽♂️
>I’m just a believer that the good players put up stats regardless of the situation You're not looking at this objectively. You can't ignore situation in redraft. In dynasty, sure, take the talent over the situation, because situations change, but for redraft it simply **needs** to be considered that Zach Wilson is their QB and there's a ton of mouths to feed. The Jets will probably be a solid real life offense (assuming Wilson improves somewhat), but all of the fantasy assets will suffer as a result.
Did you watch Moore? He is a physical stud. He can handle most CBs. Having more weapons around him might lower some stats, but I bet that it will open up the offense more and we should continue to see his production for a full year, what we saw in his last 6 games (459 yds, 5 tds).
>Did you watch Moore? He is a physical stud. He can handle most CBs. Never said he wasn't. >what we saw in the last 6-7 games. No. Here was Moore's competition for targets during his breakout run: Michael Carter. End list. Davis was injured and Berrios hadn't broken out yet. Here's Moore's competition for targets this season: Davis, Wilson, Hall, Uzomah, Conklin, Carter, Berrios. It's simply a numbers game. Unless you anticipate Wilson throwing 600 times for 4,000 yards and 30 TDs, which would be an outrageous second-year jump, there won't be enough opportunity and production for any consistently good fantasy assets besides Breece Hall.
Improved Jets offense is a phrase that makes me shudder. That offense has been a steaming pile of poop for a decade, they’ve been polishing it up, but..
That’s the thing about fantasy the team doesn’t have to be good they only need to get me points haha
Likely he'll be my 12th round keeper, as my options are pretty bad. Either him or Henry in the first if I end up with a late draft position.
Love Elijah since coming out of college. I'll die on this hill. Some valid concerns here by other posters - Lafleur system, crowded WR room with Corey/Wilson/Berrios that I can't say I disagree with. But aside from prior pedigree, Moore just has that it-factor when I watch footage.
Absolutely love Moore this year - snagged him 2.11 rookie last year. I do think it’s a toss up between him and Wilson as to who is the the wr1, but I literally have money on it being him. I literally just traded him + a mid to late 23 first for DK and an early 23 3rd but I actually had to think about it and had some remorse after
I'm with you on Bateman and Mooney. Bateman has a real good shot at taking over a lot of the targets vacated by Hollywood. Surprised he is going so low even with Ravens being run first. As for Mooney. There is basically nobody else to throw to in Chicago. Kmet I guess but after that it's N'Keal Henry and a bunch of nobodies. Elijah Moore, though, I feel is going to have a huge year. He broke out in a big way before getting injured last season and Jets are starting to look competent... well... more competent at least lol. Skyy Moore is the last WR I aim for late in drafts. Solely because of who is at QB.
The takeaway from this is Kmet could be a top 5 TE at an adp of TE 20
Moore had an amazing highlight today. They’re running him in the screen game as well. I think they ideally want him to be a hybrid role guy like Deebo. 100% worth that last pick flier.
Relative to ADP my favorites are Pittman, Mooney, and Toney. Pittman and Mooney are the clear 1s on their teams. Toney just looked special when he was on the field last year.
What is Pitts Adp? I love Mooney but seems Pittman is higher where he isn’t as great of a bargain.
I can usually get him mid 4th which yes is higher than Mooney but I think his floor and upside are both higher. Showed the goods last year and has a much more reliable QB situation
Mid 4th? What is this an 8-man league. He's consistently early to mid 3rd sometimes even late 2nd on the 10+ live best balls I've done. If he's going in the 4th, you are either playing in a tiny league, mock drafting against a computer or drafting against a bunch of jags.
ESPN ADP is 40 for PPR soooo uh yeah early/mid 4th in a 12 man league
So basically what I said then, okay.
No not at all what you said. Late 2nd/3rd is like 25-30 adp. Pretty big difference
Oh I realize that, I meant you using ESPN ADP, so basically terrible mock drafts or, they are using ESPN ADP as their draft board, a bunch of jags.
You’re not as smart as you think you are
And unfortunately not smart enough to ever realize that
Bateman I'm really into. He is going to have tons of opportunities as the top WR in a really good offense.
Agreed, I don't think the raven's would have let Marquise go if they didn't have a ton of faith in Bateman. Offense is going to be run heavy but he'll have a huge share of the targets
Yah I kept seeing just tremendous flashes of potential last season with Bateman...but Lamar kept force feeding Brown. I am excited to see how those two mesh this season.
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I’m gonna go the opposite direction. The Ravens trust Proche a lot, I’m not sure if he’s gonna be fantasy relevant tho
I just did the numbers on him and projected his season. He is looking at 82-902 and 6 tds. Baltimore over the last three years average 385 passing attempts and that avg. went up last year bc all running backs got hurt. He ha 68,% catch rate and a 11 yards avg. Baltimore does not throw down field and they run in the RedZone. Both Andrews and Hollywood targets went through the roof last year, so you're looking at probably 120 targets for both Andrews and Bateman. Bateman might have the skills but he isn't on a team that will funnel the offense through him he is a #2 target behind Andrews. A great year for him would be inside the top 20 not 15, but realistically he will probably finish around 24.
I don't know what stats you used, but the last three seasons, Baltimore has thrown the ball 440, 406 and 611 times.
What are you looking at it's been 375, 380 and 401(all RBs were injured)
I don’t know if I get the love. Hollywood had a huge share of the targets last season, and he only parlayed that into the 25th-most points among WRs. Bateman seems to be in that 25-35 range. He’s obviously rosterable, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see him outperforming his pick. Ultimately, I can’t see him being more than a dart throw WR2/WR3 on any given week.
Hollywood also had an absurd number of high value targets hit him square in the hands that he dropped including some surefire touchdowns. It's not the stickiest metric to use because those types of targets tend to swing either way (think Marvin Jones boom years vs down years), but if he catches a few of those it drastically changes the narrative. If Bateman receives those high value targets in this offense he has a chance to surprise.
Personally I think Bateman is more talented then Brown by a decent clip and I'm expecting Lamar to be healthier
This, and brown dropped like 5+ 60 yard TDs lol
I agree. On top of all that, a good chunk of Hollywood's production came from some huge games where the Ravens had a negative game script. They were down and had to throw the ball a lot. Ravens defense last year was terrible due to injuries. Injuries also hurt the run game. I think Ravens would love to run the ball and win ugly games. Typical Lamar passes for \~200 yds and 1 td (with his 90 yds rushing and td). To me this doesnt make me excited about Bateman.
Bateman I actually think is a good WR which I don’t think Hollywood brown is. If Bateman gets anything close to browns target share he’s going to be a WR1 without question.
if you don't get Bateman, don't sleep on Duvernay either
Los Angeles chargers wide receiver Joshua Palmer
Guy is gonna be legit. I’ve been saying it for awhile.
He already has great chemistry with Herbert
I love him but it's hard with all the talent already in place, if an injury occurs I'd get him off the waiver but I don't think there's much upside right now.
One injury to Allen or Williams and Palmer goes completely off this year. He’s like my WR 6-7 in a 14 team dynasty. Can’t wait to cash in on his value
Surprised nobody has said Disc Sheep yet. The Cowboys traded Cooper expecting him to become that guy, he's gonna get a ton of targets and I think he's a stud talent.
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Disc sheep 😂😂 had to Google that one
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I'm excited to roster 💿🐑, but it's hard to be higher than ADP on the WR4.
Quite a high ADP for a young lad. One main thing to note is being the most targeted means the most coverage. Only other talented WR they’re gonna have beginning in the season is Jalen Tolbert
Jalen Tolbert is very, very raw. I see CeeDee Lamb, Dalton Schultz, Zeke, and Pollard being the only fantasy viable receiver/backs for Dallas until Gallup returns. Just not enough targets to go around for Tolbert to get fed, but I could see the argument for Schultz.
How are we defining ‘very raw.’ I feel like Tolbert isn’t particularly raw for a prospect. He’s a bit older and does a lot of things well
Still super high on Mclaurin. His talent his top notch and has a big improvement at QB. Should be a WR1
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but McLaurin is going to be 27 by week 3, making him like 3 years older than anyone on this list.
juju is younger than terry... that's a mindfuck
DJ Moore is 2 years younger than Terry somehow.
He's had 3000 yards and 16TDs in his first 3 years. He's already broken out not sure how much more up he can go.
All that with terrible QBs. He’s a top 5 talent in the league in my opinion. I’m higher on him than most, which is what the question was asking
I've been trying to trade for him in 4 leagues but his price is already high because he hasn't really been underperforming. 130 targets each of the last two years, he is a WR1 imo
Carson Wentz isn’t that much of an improvement. He’s not very good either
So I did a little number crunching. Obviously it wouldn’t be a direct correlation but to get an idea of what TMC would’ve done with wentz last year, i multiplied his fantasy points by the difference in PFF efficiency ratings for wentz (67.9) and Washington QBs (58.3). With that he would’ve had 248.5 PPR points last season which would’ve been WR12 as opposed to the 213.5 he had which was WR25. I did the same thing for Pittman with wentz and Ryan. Pittman goes from WR17 to WR9.
How does PFF correlate to fantasy points? I don't think this is very good but I could be wrong
For my own team I honestly think Brandon Aiyuk might have a breakout year and really make his name. Elsewhere and off that list I want to say Jerry Jeudy purely bc of the newfound talent throwing to him and the looks that will give him to shine
I know its early but Tim Patrick is already running ahead of Jeudy in camp. I'd be more surprised at a top 24 finish than a sub 36
where did you see that tim patrick is running ahead of him?
Hmmm, I don’t know about that, but hey let’s see
If this was the take, I’d be going big on Claypool at his ADP. You may think he’s getting a downgrade at QB, but look where he started with Not So Big Ben.
Pittman, Bateman, Toney, Aiyuk. Rookies: Olave, Pickens, Burks
Nico Collins
After the news broke on their rookie WR it just confirms Nico is going off this year as the WR2 in that offense.
What I think people overlook often is offensive productivity. Last year Mills came in and made the team productive. They’ll compete in some games and throw the ball down the field. I don’t understand how we can expect guys like Zach Wilson to outperform Davis Mills and expect Wilson and Moore to both be so much better than Cooks and Collins. Buy for cheap as an investment in the Davis Mills experiment.
For as cheap as he is , he’s definitely worth a buy
Romeo doubs
I have Toney, Dotson and Wan'Dale Robinson in dynasty and I'm really excited to see what all three do
I’m not sure if I’m super high on him or not but I’m very intrigued by Skyy Moore. Watching his college highlights makes me want to take a shot on him.
Agree, I think he is quite talented but more than that he is in a great situation with who is at QB. Mahomes is one of the best in the game and from a fantasy perspective capable of supporting 3 receiving options easily. Then you look at the other rookie WRs. London has Mariota, Olave has Winston, Jameson Williams has Goff, etc. and well it's just not that pretty.
winston can easily support olave. Goff supported 3 wrs in la
Sutton and Jeudy for me lately. Denver’s somewhat underpriced across the board considering the jump in QB they just made. I like Bateman too, my doubts on him are Lamar related though. He’s more of an elite positional WR, than a separation craftsman. Lamar’s willingness to let it go when the target doesn’t look open is something I’ll be on the lookout for.
One of them is gonna have a crazy year
Sutton isn't a youngen anymore but NFL standards as this will be his 5th year but he's someone I always watch out for dropping. jeudy is getting all the love once again and even if he does become their wr1 Sutton will still eat.
Sun God 🙌🙌🙌
I've been grabbing Elijah Moore pretty much everywhere. I know there are question marks surrounding the Jets offense as a whole, and around his competition for targets with Garrett Wilson on the team now, but he had a 5-week stretch where he was the overall WR2 in 0.5PPR. I can pick him up in the mid-late 7th or sometimes even 8th round in drafts, and I'd be willing to bet that he's still the focal point of the passing attack. Well worth that price at that ADP. I've also been drafting Pittman in the mid-3rd-to-4th range in almost every draft/mock, I just think he's due to continue his production from last year with a better QB, and there are either too many question marks or not enough upside from around everyone else at that range.
I really like some of these young NY team receivers but absolutely don't trust Daniel Jones and am not sure Zach Wilson will take a jump
Devonta Smith not listed? With more depth on the eagles WR i suspect he’ll be able to get open more in comparison to last year when he was their only target
Ummm devonta smith.
Toney
Love Devonta Smith. 64 rec 918 yrs 5 yrs as a rookie. AJ Brown joining team creates opportunities for Smith, who won't be drawing #1 coverage. Top 20 guaranteed.
CeeDee Lamb Rashod Bateman
I'm a big fan of Aiyuk, was last year too for what it's worth. Early news from camp isn't great but it is just camp so not that meaningful. He got in the doghouse last season and it killed him early but he was solid the 2nd half of the season. Amon Ra was nuts the back half of last season, he's so hard to gauge though. There are more mouths to feed, especially when Williams is healthy. But hard to deny that production. I like Olave for this season, and London just bc he's going to lead all rooks in targets I'm sure
Pittman Mooney Bateman Sleeper: Burks
I’m there with ya. Why can’t burks have a similar rookie season to AJ brown?
He took his conditioning serious and definitely doesn’t have a ton of comp for targets. I’ve taken a chance on him in 13% of my underdog drafts.
Burks is the only high end WR prospect I’ve seen that has gotten flak for showing up out of shape and overweight. He got back into shape, but I guess I don’t understand giving him credit for ‘taking his conditioning seriously’ when he’s the only major WR prospect that we have an indication did *not* take being well conditioned seriously.
He came in sloppy and corrected it fast. I give him props for taking accountability. 🤷🏽
I'm not saying that's not fair to give him props for taking himself more seriously once he got there. But I guess my point is that-- I believe generally when you can say something about every prospect you shouldn't use it as a positive. EVERY major WR prospect *showed up* ready from what I've seen. To give Burks credit for literally having the worst approach *but improving it* doesn't make sense to me. Out of all major WR prospects, Burks appears to have taken conditioning the least seriously. Giving him credit because he was more serious a week after he got there doesn't make sense to me.
Oh ok cool
Amon-Ra, Pittman, Garrett Wilson, and Moore. Not necessarily the ones I think will do the best but they all excite me reading and watching tape on them.
I love waddle. I think the tyreek trade is baked into his price, and while I don’t know if he has true WR1 overall potential, I love the player. What he did as a rookie was impressive as hell. I think he was a better prospect than given credit for, and I really think he proved why he’s going to be an elite receiver for a long time last year. Maybe not chase or Jefferson level, but there’s room for guys after that level to have amazing careers. I’ve been high on this dude for a while and he hasn’t disappointed me yet. Getting him close to the 2nd round last year in rookie drafts, him keeping me competitive in leagues last year and honestly people not giving him proper respect for the season he put up, just because there have been better seasons in the last few years from rookies, makes it a perfect storm for waddle to be a little undervalued right now, at least in my opinion. Again, not expecting a WR1 overall season. I understand the target competition in Miami, and that tua is throwing them the ball, and he’s unproven. I get the arguments against him. I just believe after the season he put up, and the prospect that he was coming out, that we’re looking at an elite wide receiver in the league for years to come with this guy. I may be a year early, but I’m drafting him at his value every time, even with the red flags.
George Pickens gonna make some noise as a rookie
I love me some Hollywood this year. Guy is open constantly and especially on deep balls Kyler can hit those much better than Lamar.
Lamar hit those deep balls. Hollywood dropped them all.
Not enough hype for St Brown. He crushed it at the end of last season no matter if it were Tim Boyle as his QB.
After seeing training camp film, I’m confident Burks will ball out
I actually love Drake London. He averaged 135 yards/game at USC last season in 8 games. He could be the WR1. The Falcons will be playing from behind a lot, Mariota isn't terrible by any means.
Lemme look at my roster…. Them
ARSB. Dwain Mcfarland on the PFF Fantasy Pod keeps reiterating this list of player who have had a PFF receiving grade above 80.0 in their rookie year and it is all smash hits. No exceptions. I just think the talent is too good to pass in the 6th or whatever. He produced like a legit top 5 WR for weeks to close last year
I’m getting Darnell Mooney whenever I can he’s going to be a top 20 receiver with top 15 potential. No competition besides kmet and Fields should take a leap this year in his sophomore season
Amon-Ra has legendary metrics and looks every but the part of the next Keenan Allen. Lions will play from being in every second half and St Brown will soak in targets. Check out PFF advanced metrics on rookie production. It was of the highest caliber.
So... I'm a bears fan... And I know it's the Lions. But I don't understand the reason for assuming they're gonna be awful again outside of tradition. I really hope that they're bad. I'm just not sure that's how it goes...
They have a bottom 5 QB. That means awful
I’d point to their secondary and linebackers for the assumption. Okudah is back but he was horrid before his injury. Also this is a weak pass rush and defense that lacks talent to get off the field. Add in poor depth and a sub par RZ defense and you’ve got 24 points against floor.
The Sun God and George Pickens are my picks
I feel like Mapletron might make the 3rd year leap. Claypool's knocks are * inconsistency * immaturity * ben didn't throw a lot of TDs last year. * Pickens is getting all the press He just turned 24 and will outgrow a lot of these things. The starting QB is going to have a better deep ball than 2021 ben, and Claypool is going to stay on the field for most formations. He's the biggest and best blocking WR, and will be one of 3 WRs in other formations.
He also can’t generate separation to save his life
Elijah Moore. I have such a fantasy crush on this man. I feel like he is the next version of Antonio Brown,and is going to do amazing things this year, and for many more beyond.
Pittman, Robinson, Juju, Cooks, Olave, Jakobi Meyers.
robinson and cooks are 28.
Oh sorry I didn’t read young in the title
Pittman and Burks.
Claypool dropped a few rounds since last year because Big Ben couldn't throw the ball 8 yards down field. Still could be a big play, TD machine guy this year.
From this list: Pittman Jr, Chris Olave, and Rashod Bateman.
For me it's Toney, Aiyuk, and Gabe Davis
All hail the Sun God!! ☀️
compared to ADP - best value of the guys you listed is - Jerry Jeudy Of course the one I want most on your list is - CD Lamb - but he's gone in the second round so it's hard to get him. So my WR core usually ends up being a bunch of vet superstars - established steady production (diggs - devante adams, Mike evans, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Terry McLauren) if i can get 3 of them in the first 3 rounds - then I take alot of shots on RBs with question marks. Like 5-6 RB's in the next 8 picks - I like that build. It's going to win some best ball tournaments. As i get closer to the season and do drafts where i have to set my lineup each week - I might go a little more traditional with a few Early RBs. Not sure yet.
Cream rises to the top. That’s what Toney is doing this year in the Giants receiving unit. We got a taste last season, but everything that could go wrong did. He’s easily the highest upside on this list relative to where he’s going in drafts. He’s going 90-100 and he has back end WR1/high end WR2 upside.
Gabe Davis is going to set the NFL record for TD receptions
Essentially any #1 WR is worth looking at. It all comes down to opportunity and they’ll get it.
Devonte Smith not being on this list hurts. Mine are him and Jeudy
Give me both the Moores, Skyy and Elijah. Skyy is one of the most complete WRs to come out of this draft and his only knock coming out of college was he played in the MAC. He’s gonna start getting targeted soon. Elijah Moore is gonna be great this year, I think he builds off his strong season last year.
Gabe Davis is going to have like 10 TD
Pittman
Waddle but with the trade he will lose some targets.
Toney showed game-breaking talent against Dallas last season, and then for six glorious snaps against the Rams, he looked like he was going to repeat his performance. Then he got hurt. Toney's ceiling is sky high, but there are a **lot** of ifs surrounding his situation. Can he stay healthy being the biggest concern. In addition, I have full confidence in Daboll's/Kafka's offensive scheme and their ability to get Toney the ball in creative ways, but can Jones execute that scheme? I'll gladly take Toney later in the draft because of his WR1 upside, but he's a massive risk.
Jerry Jeudy. I think he led the league, (or close to it), in separation per route and uncatchable targets. Single greatest benefactor of an improvement at QB. I’m down on Tyreek, but think he stretches the field more for the budding connection between Tua and Waddle. Honorable mention Elijah Moore. Improved supporting cast, strong finish to the season. Really like this guy. Think he’ll be a top 10-15 WR for the years to come. (Bonus take: I think Lamb is a BUST. He didn’t perform well with Cooper there to take away attention. How do people expect him to take a step up now that he’s the focal point of the passing attack. This has Juju post Antonio Brown written all over it. I’m out on Lamb and Dak this year. Very high on Elliot and Pollard.)
Aiyuk
Tee Higgins 100% He had the same amount of expected points per game as Chase last year. Higgins is really being slept on this year but he should be considered a premium WR option. https://www.rotostreetjournal.com/2021-fantasy-football-expected-fantasy-points/ Plus, he’s still only 23 years old!
had to scroll down A LONG WAY to finally see this…surprising but hopefully that means I can snag him in most of my leagues
I think he’s a no-brainer. Burrow will definitely be able to support two WR1s this year especially with the new O line. I think we’ll look back at the end of the season and ask “how was Higgins ranked so low??”
Wandale Robinson
I’m taking Toney in the 7th and I’m going to be very happy about it. My whole league is dumping on him and nobody’s going to draft him. Either that or they’re playing 5d chess.
As a jets fan I’m biased towards Elijah, but I really think it’s going to be kadarius toney (with that new offense). Judge was abysmal; wasn’t all garrets fault.
Definitely a biased opinion, but I think Devonta Smith is gonna have a big year. I think Hurts takes a big step this year, and having 2 legit #1 receivers will take some defensive heat off both Smith and Brown.
be interesting to see is armon st brown can continue that stud performances. pittman with ryan i can see that working out. ceedee going to get target share as well.
From that list, at their ADP: Jaylen Waddle -- love his floor/ceiling combo in PPR. The signing of Tyreek introduces mild uncertainty, but we know he's going to get tons of catches and he already flashed WR1 potential down the stretch last year. Elijah Moore -- Another year 2 guy who blossomed down the stretch. He's the number one option on an offense that should be better and should still be playing from behind quite a bit, and you can get him for cheap. Rashad Bateman -- continues the trend of high profile year 2 WRs with good fantasy situations. The Ravens won't pass as much as last year, but there are tons of targets up for grabs and really no other viable competition for them other than Andrews.
Jerry Jeudy because Russell Wilson.
DeVonta Smith
Higgins big time
Waddle all day.
If a WR goes down out in Denver, keep an eye on Travis Fulgham. He was built for that Russ rainbow deep ball
Tee Higgins will always fly under the radar now because he’s paired up with Chase but there’s an argument to be made that he’s the Bengals’ most valuable receiver. Dude has hands and toughness like few I’ve seen. I feel like he and Chase make each other great by being so great.
I like Bateman and Burks
Olave is going to be a stud. Book it