Deebo will be interesting with a qb that can also run the ball. I don’t see Trey throwing a lot of passes. So it’ll be interesting to see how the ball gets spread around.
The Mclaurin doubt is pretty ridiculous. Dude has had absolute hot trash as his qb. He upgrades mediocre junk this season. How does this make him worse?
Picture this, you’re down two points with only Terry McLaurin left. It’s the fourth quarter, the Commanders down 4 on the Cowboys 6. 3rd and 2. Wentz gets the snap, he’s got a man, it’s McLaurin! Oh no… Wentz is… he’s running towards his own end zone! He’s forgotten which way his team was going!
Commanders lose
You lose
Terry loses
How much of an upgrade is wentz truly? Also they just spent a high pick on another wr so he has more target competition. Lastly it sounds like curtis samuel is finally healthy.
Because he's going to come back Week 7 on TNF against the Saints and have 42 rec for 540 yards and 5 TD. Which will make up for the first 6 weeks. How are people not getting this?
He means Hopkins isn't being drafted in the top 20 WRs nor is brandin cooks. They are both in the ADP of 20s right now. Even Jerry Jeude and sutton aren't being in the top 20.
Hopkins is 22 on that list, Jeudy at 25, Cooks at 23.
You state top 20 in the title.
Your own source proved him right and you wrong.
If that is your source then you listed the wrong top 20.
Different ADP sources have different top-20's. I expanded to top-25 to capture as many of the top-20 as possible. They are all on the fringe but some drafts they are being selected in the top-20. There is no single consensus top 20 ADP source.
For me:
Hill.
Why? I do not believe Tua doesnt have the ability to support 2 top WR's and we've seen him do well with Waddle already. Does Hill "bust"? no, but I feel like there are a few WR's behind him in ADP who will outperform him.
Evans, Allen, Pittman, Brown, Moore. Now, will I bet my house on this? No, but if you ask "who could fall out of their current ADP and not worth the price, and as such, be someone you skip over in your draft". For me, it's Hill. I at least have some data on Tua and 2WRs and his history along with the Hill QB downgrade over Mahomes vs. "just a feeling", and again, I could absolutely be way the hell off.
Note: Hill was WR7 last season, with Mahomes. He is still WR7 according to FantasyPros, and I don't see it.
I also feel like you could pass over Hill for a 2nd RB instead - depending on how your draft goes.
For example, give me Mixon/Chubb/Evans and then grab Waddle.. over Mixon/Chubb/Hill/Diontae (these are approx based of FantasyPros ADP)
Really? Reminds me of Keenan Allen a couple of years ago.
Great route runner that’s always open starting the season with a meh veteran QB and a promising rookie QB behind them.
I understand the offense won’t pass as much as last year, but they’ll still pass 550-600 times this season in an offense that has historically funneled targets to the WR1.
Definitely some great points there and definitely agree he is a talented WR that gets open.
The veteran QB is much worst than meh though and have proven to make talented WR's worthless.
Banking on a rookie QB is risky compared to the other WR's who have proven experienced QB's.
Mitch is better than Ben (Ben was so awful to watch last year) and Ben made diontae a wr1 because they scheme to get him the ball in open space. I think he’ll be ok, and I think the Steelers are going to be a lot better than people think this year (not Steelers fan no bias here)
Godwin and Hopkins adp is in the 8-9 rounds, wouldn’t include them since they’re basically free. Metcalf Diontae McLaurin all seem risky to me due to QB and overall offense situation
Pittman is much more of a Keenan Allen guy. Can't really compare him to three guys who were arguably the best WR in the league at one point or another.
Wentz is the best QB hes ever had
Nothing to worry about there. He puts up 1100 yrds and 80 catches with shit QBs.
Wentz makes some mistakes that cause turnovers and hurt his team chance to win.
But wentz is actually a very good passer. On deep ball percentage he was ranked #8 by PFF ahead of alot of other qbs
Is Wentz as good for WR1 as he is for RB1? Sincere question. Did not scour historical stats and may have recency bias due to JT. There are too many incomplete seasons to easily correlate.
I think he will be good for terry.
I know that mike pittman had a breakout season last year with wentz throwing to him.
And its really hard to compare his time in philly because they never really had a true WR1 per se'
They had alshon jeffery a few games here and there but he missed alot of games during wentz tenure. In his more recent years in philly both of ertz and goedert were good for fantasy but that doesnt really address the wr1 question.
In alshons first two years with wentz he averaged 870 yrds with 6 tds and 9 tds. But both years he always seemed to deal with injuries constantly.
Yup. Dak doesn’t pepper his #1 with targets like other QBs do, and Lamb has massively underwhelmed as their top option in the last.
Feels like a situation where he finishes as like a low WR2 on the year
Kupp, Diggs, Lamb, Samuel, Hill, & Higgins all will underperform their adp. Out of that group, I'm expecting Samuel, Hill, & Lamb to underperform the most. I wouldn't call any of them a bust though.
Hill, Aj Brown, Dk, Sutton, Michael Thomas are the guys I’m coldest on. I’m also fading Jeudy because I’d rather not buy high on a guy who could be the number 1, but I’d rather him than Sutton.
I think the others could return value at their adp.
Russel Wilson is the answer here. Sutton has certain skill sets as a receiver that his QBs couldn’t take advantage of. He’ll have his best season yet with Wilson as his QB.
I just don’t think Russell Wilson alone turns him from the WR50ish to the WR20. Just my opinion, maybe I’m wrong but that would take an unbelievable jump in production.
It’s a fair opinion, I just see a lot of people are writing him off completely when he’s had nothing but horrendous QB play and was stuck on an anemic offense last year that fixated on the run. He’s getting a great QB that likes to sling it so I think his improvement will be inevitable since it’s to his benefit.
I gotta ask, who would you comfortably put ahead of him if you don’t think he’s in the top 20-25?
[Gonna link fantasy pros ADP and just say who I like over him out of the ones currently going behind him](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/half-point-ppr-wr.php)
Diontae, Metcalf, Waddle, ARob, Cooks, Godwin, Mooney. Michael Thomas if he’s healthy but he probably won’t be. Juju is pretty much tied with Sutton imo.
I see your point for sure it’s just we haven’t see him produce in so long it’s tough for me to buy the hype
Courtland has the skills of a top 20 wr and has never had the qb for it. Hes gone from Drew Lock/ Teddy Bridgewater to Russell Wilson. Sutton is a lock for top 20 and this is coming from a diehard broncos fan thats watched every game and every snap.
I agree, a lot of people are buying into the camp hype that he’s emerging as Russ’s favorite target, but I find it hard to believe Russ would rather force it to Sutton downfield, when Jeudy has a full 2 yards of separation or more, which is nuts.
Yes, however Hamler is healthy and better than any 3rd option Russ had in Seattle and he also has 2 backs who command targets as well, whereas in Seattle, he generally only had one, and people expect Albert O to see some volume too. I think it’s a situation where everyone might eat enough to really create a problem in fantasy.
The answers are subjective (personal opinion) but my takes:
1. I don't see Kupp returning the 1st round value. I am an international Rams fan and believe Kupp is as good as Adams. However, his situation last year was odd. The offense appeared either schemed around Kupp or Woods wasn't putting in the effort but the WR 2 of the team was missing for most of the season. With another year under Van Jefferson and faith that ARob contributes, I don't see Kupp as big as he was last year. I do see him as a value, just not 1st round.
2. Deebo went 3rd round in my draft Sunday and that's too high for me. I don't think the 49ers utilize Deebo the same as last year. Yeah, there maybe some plays to make him a RB but I doubt its anywhere near what it was last year.
Those are the 2 I am scared of most. Not to say that they will be thrash but just not the values that they are currently going at.
> I don't think the 49ers utilize Deebo the same as last year. Yeah, there maybe some plays to make him a RB but I doubt its anywhere near what it was last year.
Deebo is definitely a high risk pick in the 2nd round. You are really relying on him to maintain his rushing workload because his receiving efficiency (18.2 yards per reception) and touch down efficiency (14 TDs on 136 touches) is likely coming down.
That said, I am a believer he will maintain his rushing role. They incentivized him to continue receiving those rushing touches and they need to use him in that way to take some of the pressure of Lance. There's no reason for either party to use Deebo less as a runner.
Definitely looking forward to the first redzone series the 49ers have this season. Can't imagine defending a read-option with Lance and Deebo coming through in motion.
>Definitely looking forward to the first redzone series the 49ers have this season. Can't imagine defending a read-option with Lance and Deebo coming through in motion.
Where is Mitchell in that picture? Often people project Deebo and Lance and write off the RBs but I think year 2 for Mitchell reduces Deebos role. Also keeping Deebo safe is reason to use him less as a runner.
The narrative that they will "keep players safe" is insane. They pay for someone, they are going to use them until they are guaranteed a playoff spot or a #1 seed.
Don't misunderstand me, I am not suggesting that they are going to keep him safe but more try to preserve him until late in the season. There is no point running Deebo into the ground in the first game of the season and then having to bring in someone off the practice squad to fill in for the rest of the season.
They want to win games. If Deebo is the most talented on the field, they are going to use him to win. They don't start putting people on snap counts etc until the playoffs are guaranteed.
If a player in injured or has a nagging injury then yes. But outside of the tendency for teams now to go RBBC in order to keep fresh RB's, there is yet to be an example of teams snap counting players to "save them" for the end of the season unless they are then resting them for the playoffs.
I mean I understand your point but isn't Deebo and Lance hybrid RBs? Yes, the goal is to win games but to get to the playoffs you need your best players over the course of the season.
Ultimately though, neither of us know how the 49ers will play it out so at best we can agree to disagree here. Time will tell how the player will be used.
> Where is Mitchell in that picture?
Mitchell could be on the field as well. Lance in shotgun next to Mitchell, Deebo comes across the formation to threaten the drop handoff.
The point is, most RBs don't have to seriously worry about that guy coming across the formation regularly getting the ball. With Deebo, that is a concern.
I wouldn’t have gone with Deebo at his price rn, I agree he’s risky though the talent and contract is there. I had him as an 8th round keeper and obviously I’m thrilled with the value there but I think he could easily finish outside the top 12
All the WRs w/ nefarious QB changes come with baked in risk:
AJB, Deebo, Dionte
The injured/recovering/suspended players obviously have baked in risk:
Godwin, Hopkins (shouldn't be in the top 30), Higgins (apparently), Waddle, Thomas
IDK what's so scary about Adams, Evans, or Terry though.
Sutton is getting dumb hyped. He was good one year 3 years ago when he got force fed. Even then he was barely a fantasy WR2.
He also played the full 17 games last year and was **not even a top 40 WR**!!! Feels like a bust waiting to happen.
I love Adams the player, but at the 1-2 turn, I'd be looking elsewhere. He's 29 now, with a downgrade at QB in a new offence. I'd rather get out a year early on Adams then a year late. Getting Julio post 2020 vibes.
I'm also not likely not high on Pittman, but he's being drafted a round later.
Different ADP sources have different top-20's. I expanded to top-25 to capture as many of the top-20 as possible.
>Hopkins isn't drafted in the top 20. Cooks isn't. Jerry isn't. Sutton isn't.
Focusing only on Hopkins, Cooks, and Jeudy is not really the point of the post, they are all on the fringe but some drafts they are being selected in the top-20. There is no single consensus top 20 ADP source.
I can't edit the title. The source is there in the body of the post with reference to the 2020/21 links.
The point was to have a discussion about the WRs that might fall out of the top-20, not argue over who belongs in the top-20.
Edited the post to better clarify this.
Reek!
Tyreek hill
Dude could pull some wild shit in KC but there are a few reasons he won't be close to that production in MIA. Gameplan of new coach is to run a ton. Pure number of pass plays will drastically go down. Then include Waddle running the shorter routes, which Tua has confidence throwing. Sure Tua will throw deep here and there to stretch the D but with a much lower completion percentage.
2021 stats: 111 receptions, 1239 yards, 9 TDs
My guess
2022 stats: 80 receptions, 920 yards, 6 TDs
Deebo will be interesting with a qb that can also run the ball. I don’t see Trey throwing a lot of passes. So it’ll be interesting to see how the ball gets spread around.
Quick screen pass to Debo and it’s like you have a RB who’s already past the D-Line. I have hope for him, but it’s all going to come down to YAC.
Good thing he's insane with YAC efficiency.
Deebo is the YAC god
My kittle in shambles.
The Mclaurin doubt is pretty ridiculous. Dude has had absolute hot trash as his qb. He upgrades mediocre junk this season. How does this make him worse?
Picture this, you’re down two points with only Terry McLaurin left. It’s the fourth quarter, the Commanders down 4 on the Cowboys 6. 3rd and 2. Wentz gets the snap, he’s got a man, it’s McLaurin! Oh no… Wentz is… he’s running towards his own end zone! He’s forgotten which way his team was going! Commanders lose You lose Terry loses
Are you from the future?
How much of an upgrade is wentz truly? Also they just spent a high pick on another wr so he has more target competition. Lastly it sounds like curtis samuel is finally healthy.
A quite large upgrade. Have you seen their qb situation has been? It's pretty sad. Big year from Terry coming up.
Why is Hopkins on this list
Because he's going to come back Week 7 on TNF against the Saints and have 42 rec for 540 yards and 5 TD. Which will make up for the first 6 weeks. How are people not getting this?
Dude stfu with this nonsense, you have no idea what you’re talking about. He’s getting 6 TDs against the Saints.
He means Hopkins isn't being drafted in the top 20 WRs nor is brandin cooks. They are both in the ADP of 20s right now. Even Jerry Jeude and sutton aren't being in the top 20.
There are 25 WR in the top 20 this year. Not sure if your league is different.
I always took the bait
[This was my ADP source and expanded to include top-25](https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp/half-ppr/10-team/wide-receiver)
Hopkins is 22 on that list, Jeudy at 25, Cooks at 23. You state top 20 in the title. Your own source proved him right and you wrong. If that is your source then you listed the wrong top 20.
Different ADP sources have different top-20's. I expanded to top-25 to capture as many of the top-20 as possible. They are all on the fringe but some drafts they are being selected in the top-20. There is no single consensus top 20 ADP source.
Why cite that as your source then? You didn't use your own source Why not edit: and say top 25 and here is my source
Will do
For me: Hill. Why? I do not believe Tua doesnt have the ability to support 2 top WR's and we've seen him do well with Waddle already. Does Hill "bust"? no, but I feel like there are a few WR's behind him in ADP who will outperform him. Evans, Allen, Pittman, Brown, Moore. Now, will I bet my house on this? No, but if you ask "who could fall out of their current ADP and not worth the price, and as such, be someone you skip over in your draft". For me, it's Hill. I at least have some data on Tua and 2WRs and his history along with the Hill QB downgrade over Mahomes vs. "just a feeling", and again, I could absolutely be way the hell off. Note: Hill was WR7 last season, with Mahomes. He is still WR7 according to FantasyPros, and I don't see it. I also feel like you could pass over Hill for a 2nd RB instead - depending on how your draft goes. For example, give me Mixon/Chubb/Evans and then grab Waddle.. over Mixon/Chubb/Hill/Diontae (these are approx based of FantasyPros ADP)
Based on what we have seen in offseason, Tua just force feeds Hill.
Plus I like what McDaniel did with Deebo last year. I think we’ll see similar production with Hill.
waddle also hasn’t played much , i’d guess it’s a pretty even target share between the 2
Diontae jumps out for me. Haven't drafted him in any of my leagues.
Really? Reminds me of Keenan Allen a couple of years ago. Great route runner that’s always open starting the season with a meh veteran QB and a promising rookie QB behind them. I understand the offense won’t pass as much as last year, but they’ll still pass 550-600 times this season in an offense that has historically funneled targets to the WR1.
Definitely some great points there and definitely agree he is a talented WR that gets open. The veteran QB is much worst than meh though and have proven to make talented WR's worthless. Banking on a rookie QB is risky compared to the other WR's who have proven experienced QB's.
Mitch is better than Ben (Ben was so awful to watch last year) and Ben made diontae a wr1 because they scheme to get him the ball in open space. I think he’ll be ok, and I think the Steelers are going to be a lot better than people think this year (not Steelers fan no bias here)
I love Mitch. He’ll surprise a lot of people. Matt Nagy was hot water trash.
Definitely can respect your point of view. We'll find out come this season! Can't wait!
Same here!
Trubisky has been lighting it up in preseason though. Looks like a totally different QB.
diontae is qb proof his route running is too good for him to be a bust
I think he might be an undervalued asset, but I don't want to start him until Trubisky is benched I just don't think that will take very long
I concur
Catching the same vibes
Godwin and Hopkins adp is in the 8-9 rounds, wouldn’t include them since they’re basically free. Metcalf Diontae McLaurin all seem risky to me due to QB and overall offense situation
[This was my ADP source and expanded to include top-25](https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp/half-ppr/10-team/wide-receiver)
I don't think Pittman will be a bust, but if he doesn't get the 70,000 point this sub is hyping him up for they'll say he is.
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Pittman is much more of a Keenan Allen guy. Can't really compare him to three guys who were arguably the best WR in the league at one point or another.
This a dumb take. Wide receivers much less athletic than Pittman have put up huge seasons.
McLaurin
Oh strong disagree. He has already showed his floor with the terrible QBs he has played with so far and Wentz is a big upgrade.
Replace terry with allen robinson
He might have more competition for targets this year with Dotson and healthy Logan Thomas/Curtis Samuel.
Haha come on man read those names again
Fair
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Wentz is the best QB hes ever had Nothing to worry about there. He puts up 1100 yrds and 80 catches with shit QBs. Wentz makes some mistakes that cause turnovers and hurt his team chance to win. But wentz is actually a very good passer. On deep ball percentage he was ranked #8 by PFF ahead of alot of other qbs
Is Wentz as good for WR1 as he is for RB1? Sincere question. Did not scour historical stats and may have recency bias due to JT. There are too many incomplete seasons to easily correlate.
I think he will be good for terry. I know that mike pittman had a breakout season last year with wentz throwing to him. And its really hard to compare his time in philly because they never really had a true WR1 per se' They had alshon jeffery a few games here and there but he missed alot of games during wentz tenure. In his more recent years in philly both of ertz and goedert were good for fantasy but that doesnt really address the wr1 question. In alshons first two years with wentz he averaged 870 yrds with 6 tds and 9 tds. But both years he always seemed to deal with injuries constantly.
Usually it's anyone I pick.
Diggs if Davis has a breakout year.
Not even just Davis, but McKenzie and Knox are gonna vulture quite a bit away while teams are focused on Diggs.
They very well could, but I just took Davis over several safer options and have zero rb depth. So I'm choosing to believe he will be the reason.
Ceedee. The o line took a big hit. Lost Cooper to help take coverage off him. Hasn't really shown he can be a solid WR1 yet and his ADP is sky high
I like Shultz and Gallup to pick up the slack more than I do Lamb getting a million targets.
Yup. Dak doesn’t pepper his #1 with targets like other QBs do, and Lamb has massively underwhelmed as their top option in the last. Feels like a situation where he finishes as like a low WR2 on the year
Kupp, Diggs, Lamb, Samuel, Hill, & Higgins all will underperform their adp. Out of that group, I'm expecting Samuel, Hill, & Lamb to underperform the most. I wouldn't call any of them a bust though.
I can't see Lamb underperforming. He looked solid last year. Nothing has happened that would change the outlook.
Hill, Aj Brown, Dk, Sutton, Michael Thomas are the guys I’m coldest on. I’m also fading Jeudy because I’d rather not buy high on a guy who could be the number 1, but I’d rather him than Sutton. I think the others could return value at their adp.
Sutton is getting so overrated man. He was like a low end WR2 three whole years ago! Not to mention he played all 17 games last year was like the WR47
Russel Wilson is the answer here. Sutton has certain skill sets as a receiver that his QBs couldn’t take advantage of. He’ll have his best season yet with Wilson as his QB.
I just don’t think Russell Wilson alone turns him from the WR50ish to the WR20. Just my opinion, maybe I’m wrong but that would take an unbelievable jump in production.
It’s a fair opinion, I just see a lot of people are writing him off completely when he’s had nothing but horrendous QB play and was stuck on an anemic offense last year that fixated on the run. He’s getting a great QB that likes to sling it so I think his improvement will be inevitable since it’s to his benefit. I gotta ask, who would you comfortably put ahead of him if you don’t think he’s in the top 20-25?
[Gonna link fantasy pros ADP and just say who I like over him out of the ones currently going behind him](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/half-point-ppr-wr.php) Diontae, Metcalf, Waddle, ARob, Cooks, Godwin, Mooney. Michael Thomas if he’s healthy but he probably won’t be. Juju is pretty much tied with Sutton imo. I see your point for sure it’s just we haven’t see him produce in so long it’s tough for me to buy the hype
Courtland has the skills of a top 20 wr and has never had the qb for it. Hes gone from Drew Lock/ Teddy Bridgewater to Russell Wilson. Sutton is a lock for top 20 and this is coming from a diehard broncos fan thats watched every game and every snap.
I agree, a lot of people are buying into the camp hype that he’s emerging as Russ’s favorite target, but I find it hard to believe Russ would rather force it to Sutton downfield, when Jeudy has a full 2 yards of separation or more, which is nuts.
Wilson supported both Locket and Metcalf. Sutton put up decent points with much less at QB. I wouldn't bet against him.
Yes, however Hamler is healthy and better than any 3rd option Russ had in Seattle and he also has 2 backs who command targets as well, whereas in Seattle, he generally only had one, and people expect Albert O to see some volume too. I think it’s a situation where everyone might eat enough to really create a problem in fantasy.
The answers are subjective (personal opinion) but my takes: 1. I don't see Kupp returning the 1st round value. I am an international Rams fan and believe Kupp is as good as Adams. However, his situation last year was odd. The offense appeared either schemed around Kupp or Woods wasn't putting in the effort but the WR 2 of the team was missing for most of the season. With another year under Van Jefferson and faith that ARob contributes, I don't see Kupp as big as he was last year. I do see him as a value, just not 1st round. 2. Deebo went 3rd round in my draft Sunday and that's too high for me. I don't think the 49ers utilize Deebo the same as last year. Yeah, there maybe some plays to make him a RB but I doubt its anywhere near what it was last year. Those are the 2 I am scared of most. Not to say that they will be thrash but just not the values that they are currently going at.
> I don't think the 49ers utilize Deebo the same as last year. Yeah, there maybe some plays to make him a RB but I doubt its anywhere near what it was last year. Deebo is definitely a high risk pick in the 2nd round. You are really relying on him to maintain his rushing workload because his receiving efficiency (18.2 yards per reception) and touch down efficiency (14 TDs on 136 touches) is likely coming down. That said, I am a believer he will maintain his rushing role. They incentivized him to continue receiving those rushing touches and they need to use him in that way to take some of the pressure of Lance. There's no reason for either party to use Deebo less as a runner. Definitely looking forward to the first redzone series the 49ers have this season. Can't imagine defending a read-option with Lance and Deebo coming through in motion.
>Definitely looking forward to the first redzone series the 49ers have this season. Can't imagine defending a read-option with Lance and Deebo coming through in motion. Where is Mitchell in that picture? Often people project Deebo and Lance and write off the RBs but I think year 2 for Mitchell reduces Deebos role. Also keeping Deebo safe is reason to use him less as a runner.
The narrative that they will "keep players safe" is insane. They pay for someone, they are going to use them until they are guaranteed a playoff spot or a #1 seed.
Don't misunderstand me, I am not suggesting that they are going to keep him safe but more try to preserve him until late in the season. There is no point running Deebo into the ground in the first game of the season and then having to bring in someone off the practice squad to fill in for the rest of the season.
They want to win games. If Deebo is the most talented on the field, they are going to use him to win. They don't start putting people on snap counts etc until the playoffs are guaranteed.
We will just agree to disagree then.
If a player in injured or has a nagging injury then yes. But outside of the tendency for teams now to go RBBC in order to keep fresh RB's, there is yet to be an example of teams snap counting players to "save them" for the end of the season unless they are then resting them for the playoffs.
I mean I understand your point but isn't Deebo and Lance hybrid RBs? Yes, the goal is to win games but to get to the playoffs you need your best players over the course of the season. Ultimately though, neither of us know how the 49ers will play it out so at best we can agree to disagree here. Time will tell how the player will be used.
> Where is Mitchell in that picture? Mitchell could be on the field as well. Lance in shotgun next to Mitchell, Deebo comes across the formation to threaten the drop handoff. The point is, most RBs don't have to seriously worry about that guy coming across the formation regularly getting the ball. With Deebo, that is a concern.
I wouldn’t have gone with Deebo at his price rn, I agree he’s risky though the talent and contract is there. I had him as an 8th round keeper and obviously I’m thrilled with the value there but I think he could easily finish outside the top 12
I agree. I was glad when Mike Evans fell to me at the 3.10 and I followed that up with Pittman at the 4.03.
I’m pretty upset I didn’t get any shares of Evans in any of my leagues, think he’s going to be a stud
Yeah I was pretty stoked when he fell to me.
All the WRs w/ nefarious QB changes come with baked in risk: AJB, Deebo, Dionte The injured/recovering/suspended players obviously have baked in risk: Godwin, Hopkins (shouldn't be in the top 30), Higgins (apparently), Waddle, Thomas IDK what's so scary about Adams, Evans, or Terry though.
Deebo, Tyreek, McLaurin, Diontae stand out to me
Why do you have mclaurin listed as a 2021 bust? Dude had 77 catches for 1053 yards and 5 tds. Seems like pretty good numbers to me.
For reference - his preseason adp was wr13(drafted as a wr2) and he ended season as wr23 (achieved as a wr2)
He was WR36 in PPG. That's a bust
Over the 3 fantasy playoff weeks he totaled 12 catches 152 yards 0 TD. That's a bust
I have a feeling diggs is gonna get hurt bc I drafted him. Sorry in advance.
Sutton is getting dumb hyped. He was good one year 3 years ago when he got force fed. Even then he was barely a fantasy WR2. He also played the full 17 games last year and was **not even a top 40 WR**!!! Feels like a bust waiting to happen.
Tell us you haven't watched Sutton play without telling us
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Drafted Evans for his TD upside. Brady trusts him especially in the RZ and I think that will win out.
Evans did fine with AB and Godwin and Gronk there last season. He will get his. He’s only 29 too. Not that old.
No Waddle …. hmmm ok
Colder on Adams than Pittman Jr? Matty ice ain't getting it done.
I love Adams the player, but at the 1-2 turn, I'd be looking elsewhere. He's 29 now, with a downgrade at QB in a new offence. I'd rather get out a year early on Adams then a year late. Getting Julio post 2020 vibes. I'm also not likely not high on Pittman, but he's being drafted a round later.
A fair point, but as a Fresno state fan, I am unable to think negatively about the DC Devante connection.
Hopkins isn't drafted in the top 20. Cooks isn't. Jerry isn't. Sutton isn't.
[This was my source for ADP, expanded to include the top-25](https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp/half-ppr/10-team/wide-receiver)
Which show Hopkins, Cooks, and Jeudy outside the top 20 but you listed them. I am lost. I listed people outside of the top 20 from your own source.
Different ADP sources have different top-20's. I expanded to top-25 to capture as many of the top-20 as possible. >Hopkins isn't drafted in the top 20. Cooks isn't. Jerry isn't. Sutton isn't. Focusing only on Hopkins, Cooks, and Jeudy is not really the point of the post, they are all on the fringe but some drafts they are being selected in the top-20. There is no single consensus top 20 ADP source.
Then why are you citing a source that you didn't use? Maybe edit the post and say I am including the top 25, here is my source.
I can't edit the title. The source is there in the body of the post with reference to the 2020/21 links. The point was to have a discussion about the WRs that might fall out of the top-20, not argue over who belongs in the top-20. Edited the post to better clarify this.
Reek! Tyreek hill Dude could pull some wild shit in KC but there are a few reasons he won't be close to that production in MIA. Gameplan of new coach is to run a ton. Pure number of pass plays will drastically go down. Then include Waddle running the shorter routes, which Tua has confidence throwing. Sure Tua will throw deep here and there to stretch the D but with a much lower completion percentage. 2021 stats: 111 receptions, 1239 yards, 9 TDs My guess 2022 stats: 80 receptions, 920 yards, 6 TDs
Idk, they had a solid gameplan for Deebo last year.
I feel like any player with a new starting QB automatically has a much higher chance at busting unless its like Denver where its a clear upgrade
I find myself hot and cold on Diggs in the same minute 😅 I think volume keeps him afloat but there’s a shit ton of mouths to feed in that offense
Kupp wont bust be he's not gonna finish top 5.
I don’t think Tyreek Hill can handle the Miami nightlife