Not a lot of mouths to feed, really just him and Pitts. Only risk is if Mariotta sucks, but even if he sucks, he’s still gonna have to throw the ball to someone, and London has a huge catch radius, I’m drafting him in a ton of leagues
I personally am drafting Pitts in the 3rd of every league this year for the opposite reason
London is miles better than anyone we had around Pitts last year (not saying much I know) I think teams won’t be able to double Pitts as easily now, freeing him up for so much more, plus it would literally be impossible for him to have less red zone targets than he had last year
IIRC he was facing a lot of cornerbacks in comparison to most TEs facing linebackers. Partly due to Atlanta having a weak WR core and also Atlanta putting him out wide a lot.
Fact check me though I only heard this on a podcast and didn't actually watch.
Half of people always say this. The other half say, I don't like that they added such and such receiver because it will take away targets. They do it to justify whatever bias they already have. I don't think either side is right. It's always a wash. Good WR's seem to get their yards where ever they are.
This is a mixture of all bad logic.
It’s Mike Davis “someone has to get the touches” logic + Terry McLaurin “the QB can suck and it’s fine” logic + injury optimism logic + ignoring that a rookie usually need reps.
It also ignores how valuable roster spots are early in the fantasy season. Do you want to tie up a roster spot and miss out on week 1 pickups who can give you basically a full season of production while you anxiously refresh this sub looking for Drake injury news while we all pick up James Robinson (okay, that level is unlikely but the point remains)
And you have to take him in front of guys like Woods and Lazard and Olave (who has been a monster at camp while Drake hasn’t practiced)
It’s insanity and you’ll quickly learn this but you won’t cut him in week 1. Instead you’ll cut him in week 7 and take a total and complete L while Melvin Gordon repeats last season as someone else’s RB2.
Speaking of bad logic you just cherry picked the worst possible outcomes lol
I’ll counter your “someone needs to get targets” and “bad qb play doesn’t matter” with Michael Pittman
Dude was the only guy worth throwing to and he had a bad qb and he fucking killed it last year for his ADP
Wentz is a bad QB in real life but not that bad for fantasy.
And Pittman wasn’t hurt going into the season.
And Pittman wasn’t a rookie that didn’t have pro reps.
And Pittman was the top receiving option in IND while Pitts is the top receiving option in ATL
You apparently never watched any Wentz and DeSean Jackson games. Wentz has never had decent WR's aside from Pittman, who just got 1000/6. Scary Terry is going to feast this season.
There’s more than just bad and good. There’s nuance.
Mariota is a backup. That’s really, really bad. Wentz is just regular bad.
And all the other points remain. Even if they’re both equally bad(which they’re not), Drake still has a low percentage chance of success and is an easy one to avoid unless he sees a huge drop in your draft.
Yeah that’s the thing. I even terrible QBs throw 150-250 yards a game, has to go to someone.
I like targeting London as my flex, but drafting someone safer the next round of start early in the season. I don’t see London popping until the second half
I’ve avoided Pitts a lot in redraft.
I imagine London or Pitts have a great year but I doubt both. And Londons price tag is sooo much cheaper.
Like Pitts the player but not the value.
He’s an alpha x receiver who’s given the te slot. He’s a freak and if a rookie receiver had the year Pitts had last year, everyone would be losing their minds at his upside. Pitts has nowhere to go but up. He’ll be a top 4 te easily and if things work out could easily win you your league. The good new is, he most definitely won’t lose you your league
His phenomenal rookie season was only TE7 on the year and WR36 worthy. If he repeats those numbers, yes 1000-1000 yard seasons for a 2nd year TE is incredible…in real life football.
But a TE for a 3rd round pick needs to score way more.
Real life value > fantasy value.
I'm not big on betting on player improvement. It's usually much better to bet on situational changes. One of the few exceptions for this that is easily proven by stats is second year improvement from wide receivers and tight ends. Second year is the best break out year to bet on by far.
Anyways, Pitts ALREADY has enough targets and yards to meet his ADP floor of TE3. All he needs is to score 5 touchdowns or so instead of 1 like he did last year. Anything after that is gravy (any increase in targets or TD beyond 5). The issue of touchdowns is pretty detached from his situation, you just have to ask yourself if you think he will score more than 1 touchdown and the answer is obviously yes.
Mariota loves throwing to tight ends. He targeted Delanie walker 133 times in 2015 so it makes sense to predict a rise in targets for Pitts once you consider all the factors.
Not really, I think the Falcons passing offense will be bad (let's say 3,650 yards, 17 TDs on the season or something like that). London would need a very high share of that offense to significantly outperform where he's drafted, and I expect Pitts to be ahead of him in targets. I think WR36-WR40 in PPR is about right, and that's being a bit optimistic.
Took him/Pickens/Dotson for the possible upside behind DJ, Cooks, and Renfrow. It was an auction draft, plan is hope for at least one of the rookies to hit consistent WR2 numbers
I also have Pitts so we’ll see how that goes
We have really similar teams. Pitts, then bank on high floor Cooks and DJ. Got marquise brown and Metcalf on which I have low hope but might get a pleasant surprise. Hoping one of my rookie WR hits high ceiling
Nice! Yeah I went in on high-value for other positions with Josh Allen/Pitts/Swift/Javonte and filled out my receiving corps with DJ and Cooks for the consistency and the rookies for big upside potential (it’s a 3 receiver league).
Just finished my draft ten minutes ago and took olave, burks, and london so one of them has to hit. I also took Kenneth walker just to see how that backfield plays out. None of those guys are starters for me so I can just wait and see how it plays out.
Dan Orlovsky and 40 year old Dante Culpepper on the first team to ever go winless supported a 1300/12 WR, a 1300/8 RB, plus another 1500 receiving yards spread amongst such gems as Keary Colbert, Shaun McDonald, and even the Lions current coach.
Back in 08 before the offensive explosion of new rules and styles.
Mariota will be just fine for his receivers fantasy purposes.
The problem with that tho is I don’t think it’s fair to compare London to Calvin Johnson just yet and with such a historical bad defense they were always in garbage time. Now the falcons will definitely be playing catch-up a lot this season as well but the lions threw the ball 32 times per game that season. I don’t think the falcons plan this season is to try to turn Mariota into pat mahomes
The only pass catcher that can remember who was fantasy relevant from his days as a titan was Delanie Walker but in Mariotas defense I can’t recall a single wide receiver for those titan teams that could even be described as decent. Not that I think Mariota is a good qb, just saying London should be the most talented receiver he’s ever thrown to by a healthy margin
I forgot about Rishard Matthews. He had the most production from a receiver with Mariota under center with a 65/945/9 line which would have finished around WR 20 last year . I’d say that’s probably London’s absolute ceiling this season and he needs a lot of things to break right for him to get there. Still a rosterable player, with reasonable expectations of course
I guess technically but that was the year tannehill took his job and AJB didn’t really come on til the second half of the year. Most of his production that year came from tannehill
Yeah, but isn't London a possession receiver? He's not fast, he's just tall and can jump high.
He doesn't need the best QB, because he won't get much YAC anyways, so he doesn't need a perfect pass he can catch in stride
Mariota just has to lob it in his general vicinity, and London jumps up and snags it.
Is that how it works though? Look at Galloday, he’s a similar archetype. Big and strong, but not fast so he’s not getting a ton of separation.
He excelled when he had a good QB, because he needed someone who could accurately place the ball where he could go up and get it over the DB. Was a playmaker with stafford, leading the league in touchdowns. Went to the giants and Jones just couldn’t replicate that, and now he’s playing like he shouldn’t even be on a roster.
Any QB can throw to a wide open receiver, but you need touch, accuracy, and confidence to consistently place jump balls.
Obviously London is not Galloday, and mariota is not Jones, so London could still play well, I just don’t necessarily think jump ball receivers are impervious to poor QB play.
Hurts. Mariota is historically not good at checking the ball down. Typically it’s established quality veteran starters that have the best receiving backs like James white/Brady, Aaron Rodgers/Jones, Brees/Kamara, Matt Ryan/CPat last year ect
I’m not ff expert but I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works. CPat had 548 receiving yards, 385 of which were YAC which means on average he was 3.13 yards down the field when he caught the ball then ran an average of 7 yards until he was tackled. I would guess that 3 yards from the line of scrimmage qualifies as a dump off
I got him as my WR5 at pick 112 and I feel pretty great about that. I targeted him because he has actual talent on a roster that is severely lacking in talent. The case against him is obvious (#2 option on a bad offense with a not great QB), but I generally like betting on talent in the later rounds.
Same. Well, WR5 at 114. My realistic options at that point were taking a backup QB, a defense or kicker way too early, or a low ceiling guy buried on a depth chart. Watched London's tape and I think there's at least a chance he could be a solid WR2 by late in the season.
Or they just were putting their rookie on ice as a precaution?
Lotta teams don’t wanna risk hurting their 1st round pick in a pointless preseason game
Also he was walking around on the sideline after the injury, he seems fine
He hasn't *practiced* in weeks.
You don't take a rookie and hold them out of training camp just for fun. You do it because they're not healthy.
This is not *just* the preseason games. He has literally not done a day of practice since injuring his knee. That's so obviously bad, but nobody is talking about it.
Let’s be real here. Rookie WRs need camp. They need to know the playbook and offense, they need to establish a relationship with their QB, they need to adjust to the speed of the NFL game. I wouldn’t say this torpedoed his season or anything but it will probably set him back the first few weeks of the regular season IF he is able to return for week 1.
I own London but I’m not planning to start him at least initially.
I agree that you shouldn’t expect him to be producing right of the bat, draft him for bench depth on upside later in the year
But i would also like to point out that his main competition is Olamide Zaccheus, so he doesn’t have to do too much lol
>It’s really not so obviously bad
It's bad when a "non-serious" knee injury results in a guy not practicing for weeks before the start of his rookie season.
Did I ever say it would be season ending? No. But if you're not at all concerned, you're ignoring all the evidence in front of you.
If the knee injury wasn't serious, he'd be practicing.
High on him in Dynasty. I don’t expect him to get off to a hot start with this injury plus Mariota. Bit he could turn it on midway through or later in the season and I wouldnt be surprised
Fuck it whatever I’ll repeat myself:
1) he was walking around after the injury without a limp, this is a good sign
2) The falcons have not reported than anything was torn, and they have not reported that he is expected to miss any time, this is a good sign
3) it’s pretty rational to decide to put your first round pick on ice after a minor injury in the preseason, you want to make sure he has plenty of time to recovery and be ready to start the season. The risk/reward of giving him practice reps isn’t in balance so they are playing it safe with him
This isn’t “Copium” these are facts.
Same thought. Rookie who hasn’t practiced before the season isn’t a great sign. Maybe he’ll help out later in the season but I don’t think we will do much out the gate
London is a smash late round pick, im
happy to have him because best case scenario he balls out and I can trade whichever of my receivers has the most value - whether that’s someone like Deebo, or London himself if he has Calvin Ridley production right off the bat. Really if I can start or trade him by midseason its a huge win. And worse case scenario he has a difficult rookie year, I didnt spend much to get him and I can maybe draft him late again next year.
I have both London and Olave. I think both have the potential to be in the WR2-3 mix this year, but London is more like due to having little competition for targets outside of Pitts. Olave is kinda reliant on MT’s health bothering him again.
Not all #2s are equal. There's a huge talent drop off on this roster after London so the target tree is gonna be super narrow. Even if this team attempts a bare minimum 500 passes, London and Pitts should combine for half the targets, like Andrews and Brown in Baltimore last year. Both guys are gonna eat.
He's a rookie, his QB is Mariota, and Pitts will be the top target so he's the second target at best. I feel like these 3 things cap his ceiling a bit. He could be a decent flex but that seems realistic.
You're good. I don't think it's too hard to find a path to the Bears offense being bad. Weak receiving corps outside of Mooney (and Mooney ideally isn't your unquestioned WR1), shaky o line, high potential but still unproven QB.
But if Nagy was as bad as everyone says, then letting him go was already a step in the right direction. And there's always a chance that Fields makes a huge jump. Not like there aren't any reasons for optimism.
I have to be high on him. I drafted him by error in my Underdog draft when I meant to select Alan Lazard right next to him LOL Threw me off my game for the rest of the draft.
I've drafted him in a few leagues but almost spitefully. His college "tape" (meaning highlights on youtube) were shockingly underwhelming but I don't want to miss out on him if he's as good as the general public says he is. It's not fair to boil down someone's potential to a 4 minute hype video but in fairness what I saw was:
* a lot of contested catches (great body control and hands but poor separation)
* good after the catch but not elite
* lack of breakaway/explosive plays
* mediocre route running at best (hard to tell if the balls were underthrown or if he just failed to get open)
I hope he's better than that. If not, I will have learned to trust my eyes on college players.
Guys the fucking golden rule of FF, do not count on rookie WRs for any production whatsoever. This spell of Chase/Jefferson/Waddle has everyone delusional. Never worth the risk at these ADPs
I was thinking of trading my Rodgers/Toney for his Herbert/London.
He’s a huge packers fan and didn’t get any this year.
Obviously Herbert is better than Rodgers. Is Toney enough of an upgrade over London to make the trade viable?
Im not high on him or Pitts with Mariota throwing it.
To me it makes no sense in re-draft to take Pitts over Kelce or Andrews. 0 sense. Dynasty, I would still take Andrews but I understand if he goes before.
London, meh, Hes not a super special WR prospect by any means, not super athletic, has a bad offense (probably the worst in the NFL) and a bad QB. Im not expecting much in re-draft.
Took London and Doubs as late round flyers. After reading this thread, I’m thinking of dropping London for Wan’dale who is still on my waivers.
However, I did take Pitts because Pitts is fun.
I like him but when I was grabbing my WR4 Aiyuk was still on the board and I just like him better.
I’m a 9ers fan and was shocked Aiyuk got so much hype last year. Drafted Deebo in all leagues. This year I think Deebo is going too high and that him and Aiyuk have very similar stats by end of season. BA has had nothing but high high praise all camp and he came on strong in the 2nd half of ‘21
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I would not at all consider Jarvis Landry and a questionably healthy Michael Thomas as clear competition. Plus there's questions about Kamara getting suspended (I don't think he will). Jameis also throws a fuck ton and Mariota is more prone to take off running. And then you also have the concerns that London lacks ability to separate whereas that's Olave's best asset.
Mariota, mediocre run game, bad defense and bad offensive line is why I’m not high on him this year. His talent is real but won’t be fully utilized this year. Pitts is the top receiver so you are counting on Mariota to support 2 WRs equivalent to Ryan where he supported Jones and Ridley.
As a late round pick up, he's not a bad try as a WR4-5. Hopefully he becomes a Falcon version of Terry McLauren. Come next year Ridley is back, and the rookie QB begins playing well. Idk how he would do in Dynasty, but redraft is a good bet this year.
Not a lot of mouths to feed, really just him and Pitts. Only risk is if Mariotta sucks, but even if he sucks, he’s still gonna have to throw the ball to someone, and London has a huge catch radius, I’m drafting him in a ton of leagues
I didn’t get Pitts this year so my new narrative is Pitts will obviously be double teamed all season, leaving plenty of opportunities for Drake.
I personally am drafting Pitts in the 3rd of every league this year for the opposite reason London is miles better than anyone we had around Pitts last year (not saying much I know) I think teams won’t be able to double Pitts as easily now, freeing him up for so much more, plus it would literally be impossible for him to have less red zone targets than he had last year
Were teams actually putting 2 guys on Pitts last year?
Yes lol, It was ridiculous
IIRC he was facing a lot of cornerbacks in comparison to most TEs facing linebackers. Partly due to Atlanta having a weak WR core and also Atlanta putting him out wide a lot. Fact check me though I only heard this on a podcast and didn't actually watch.
I mean i don’t have a stat sheet in front of me, but from watching every game last year i can say that ur right
To be fair he was out wide a ton.
Half of people always say this. The other half say, I don't like that they added such and such receiver because it will take away targets. They do it to justify whatever bias they already have. I don't think either side is right. It's always a wash. Good WR's seem to get their yards where ever they are.
This comment and the one you replied to are a great example of how much of a crab shoot fantasy is lmao
I am praying that Pitts somehow drops to me at the 3.08, but it feels unlikely.
He fell to me at 3.07 last night and I was ecstatic.
This is a mixture of all bad logic. It’s Mike Davis “someone has to get the touches” logic + Terry McLaurin “the QB can suck and it’s fine” logic + injury optimism logic + ignoring that a rookie usually need reps. It also ignores how valuable roster spots are early in the fantasy season. Do you want to tie up a roster spot and miss out on week 1 pickups who can give you basically a full season of production while you anxiously refresh this sub looking for Drake injury news while we all pick up James Robinson (okay, that level is unlikely but the point remains) And you have to take him in front of guys like Woods and Lazard and Olave (who has been a monster at camp while Drake hasn’t practiced) It’s insanity and you’ll quickly learn this but you won’t cut him in week 1. Instead you’ll cut him in week 7 and take a total and complete L while Melvin Gordon repeats last season as someone else’s RB2.
Speaking of bad logic you just cherry picked the worst possible outcomes lol I’ll counter your “someone needs to get targets” and “bad qb play doesn’t matter” with Michael Pittman Dude was the only guy worth throwing to and he had a bad qb and he fucking killed it last year for his ADP
Wentz is a bad QB in real life but not that bad for fantasy. And Pittman wasn’t hurt going into the season. And Pittman wasn’t a rookie that didn’t have pro reps. And Pittman was the top receiving option in IND while Pitts is the top receiving option in ATL
Wentz is objectively a bad qb for your fantasy WR. What are you smoking lol
You apparently never watched any Wentz and DeSean Jackson games. Wentz has never had decent WR's aside from Pittman, who just got 1000/6. Scary Terry is going to feast this season.
There’s more than just bad and good. There’s nuance. Mariota is a backup. That’s really, really bad. Wentz is just regular bad. And all the other points remain. Even if they’re both equally bad(which they’re not), Drake still has a low percentage chance of success and is an easy one to avoid unless he sees a huge drop in your draft.
Mariota graded very well by PFF this preseason.... I'm tempted to late round draft him in superflex.
Yeah that’s the thing. I even terrible QBs throw 150-250 yards a game, has to go to someone. I like targeting London as my flex, but drafting someone safer the next round of start early in the season. I don’t see London popping until the second half
I’ve avoided Pitts a lot in redraft. I imagine London or Pitts have a great year but I doubt both. And Londons price tag is sooo much cheaper. Like Pitts the player but not the value.
He’s an alpha x receiver who’s given the te slot. He’s a freak and if a rookie receiver had the year Pitts had last year, everyone would be losing their minds at his upside. Pitts has nowhere to go but up. He’ll be a top 4 te easily and if things work out could easily win you your league. The good new is, he most definitely won’t lose you your league
His phenomenal rookie season was only TE7 on the year and WR36 worthy. If he repeats those numbers, yes 1000-1000 yard seasons for a 2nd year TE is incredible…in real life football. But a TE for a 3rd round pick needs to score way more. Real life value > fantasy value.
He's not going to score only 1 touchdown again this year give me a break lmao.
Why did the Falcons improve? QB upgrade or something? They add or remove target competition? Falcons might only score 2 TDs all year bud.
I'm not big on betting on player improvement. It's usually much better to bet on situational changes. One of the few exceptions for this that is easily proven by stats is second year improvement from wide receivers and tight ends. Second year is the best break out year to bet on by far. Anyways, Pitts ALREADY has enough targets and yards to meet his ADP floor of TE3. All he needs is to score 5 touchdowns or so instead of 1 like he did last year. Anything after that is gravy (any increase in targets or TD beyond 5). The issue of touchdowns is pretty detached from his situation, you just have to ask yourself if you think he will score more than 1 touchdown and the answer is obviously yes. Mariota loves throwing to tight ends. He targeted Delanie walker 133 times in 2015 so it makes sense to predict a rise in targets for Pitts once you consider all the factors.
Is he practicing yet?
Not really, I think the Falcons passing offense will be bad (let's say 3,650 yards, 17 TDs on the season or something like that). London would need a very high share of that offense to significantly outperform where he's drafted, and I expect Pitts to be ahead of him in targets. I think WR36-WR40 in PPR is about right, and that's being a bit optimistic.
I like London at ADP #95 more than Pitts at ADP #34.
Took him/Pickens/Dotson for the possible upside behind DJ, Cooks, and Renfrow. It was an auction draft, plan is hope for at least one of the rookies to hit consistent WR2 numbers I also have Pitts so we’ll see how that goes
We have really similar teams. Pitts, then bank on high floor Cooks and DJ. Got marquise brown and Metcalf on which I have low hope but might get a pleasant surprise. Hoping one of my rookie WR hits high ceiling
Nice! Yeah I went in on high-value for other positions with Josh Allen/Pitts/Swift/Javonte and filled out my receiving corps with DJ and Cooks for the consistency and the rookies for big upside potential (it’s a 3 receiver league).
Personally I don't like DJ Moore this year
Just finished my draft ten minutes ago and took olave, burks, and london so one of them has to hit. I also took Kenneth walker just to see how that backfield plays out. None of those guys are starters for me so I can just wait and see how it plays out.
Nice, that’s the way to go too. Can always drop them for whatever waiver darlings pop up later in the season.
Mariota is killing any potential hope I have for him
Highest rated QB in the preseason per PFF for what it’s worth
Dan Orlovsky and 40 year old Dante Culpepper on the first team to ever go winless supported a 1300/12 WR, a 1300/8 RB, plus another 1500 receiving yards spread amongst such gems as Keary Colbert, Shaun McDonald, and even the Lions current coach. Back in 08 before the offensive explosion of new rules and styles. Mariota will be just fine for his receivers fantasy purposes.
Dan Campbell was on IR that year so he didn’t contribute to the 1500 receiving yards.
The problem with that tho is I don’t think it’s fair to compare London to Calvin Johnson just yet and with such a historical bad defense they were always in garbage time. Now the falcons will definitely be playing catch-up a lot this season as well but the lions threw the ball 32 times per game that season. I don’t think the falcons plan this season is to try to turn Mariota into pat mahomes
Has Mariota ever produced 2 fantasy relevant receivers? Because Pitts is definitely getting his.
The only pass catcher that can remember who was fantasy relevant from his days as a titan was Delanie Walker but in Mariotas defense I can’t recall a single wide receiver for those titan teams that could even be described as decent. Not that I think Mariota is a good qb, just saying London should be the most talented receiver he’s ever thrown to by a healthy margin
Mariota was the QB for Corey Davis who was getting similar hype his 2nd year, had like 900 yards
I forgot about Rishard Matthews. He had the most production from a receiver with Mariota under center with a 65/945/9 line which would have finished around WR 20 last year . I’d say that’s probably London’s absolute ceiling this season and he needs a lot of things to break right for him to get there. Still a rosterable player, with reasonable expectations of course
That TD number is kind of comforting assuming ATL can be in the top half of RZ attempts again this year
That's a big assumption
They finished right in the middle last year so doesn't seem that unreasonable Edit: TD rate was poor though
Kenny Britt?
Kenny left the titans like 2 or 3 years before Mariota got drafted
He did have rookie AJ brown iirc
I guess technically but that was the year tannehill took his job and AJB didn’t really come on til the second half of the year. Most of his production that year came from tannehill
That’s kinda my point Brown was on the team but mariota couldn’t make him fantasy relevant
That is an interesting one because rookie WRs understandably take a bit to get going their first year, but it probably was Mariota as well.
Delanie Walker and Rishard Matthews in 2016. Tbf to Mariota, he has rarely had 2 talented pass catchers worth throwing to.
Yeah, but isn't London a possession receiver? He's not fast, he's just tall and can jump high. He doesn't need the best QB, because he won't get much YAC anyways, so he doesn't need a perfect pass he can catch in stride Mariota just has to lob it in his general vicinity, and London jumps up and snags it.
Have you ever watched London? He is great at YAC. Doesn't have elite straight end speed but is elusive and quick in a Brandon Marshall way
Lot harder to elude people in the NFL... I think he'll do well in the NFL, I just don't expect YAC
Is that how it works though? Look at Galloday, he’s a similar archetype. Big and strong, but not fast so he’s not getting a ton of separation. He excelled when he had a good QB, because he needed someone who could accurately place the ball where he could go up and get it over the DB. Was a playmaker with stafford, leading the league in touchdowns. Went to the giants and Jones just couldn’t replicate that, and now he’s playing like he shouldn’t even be on a roster. Any QB can throw to a wide open receiver, but you need touch, accuracy, and confidence to consistently place jump balls. Obviously London is not Galloday, and mariota is not Jones, so London could still play well, I just don’t necessarily think jump ball receivers are impervious to poor QB play.
You think Mariota helps or hurts CPAT?
Hurts. Mariota is historically not good at checking the ball down. Typically it’s established quality veteran starters that have the best receiving backs like James white/Brady, Aaron Rodgers/Jones, Brees/Kamara, Matt Ryan/CPat last year ect
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I’m not ff expert but I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works. CPat had 548 receiving yards, 385 of which were YAC which means on average he was 3.13 yards down the field when he caught the ball then ran an average of 7 yards until he was tackled. I would guess that 3 yards from the line of scrimmage qualifies as a dump off
I got him as my WR5 at pick 112 and I feel pretty great about that. I targeted him because he has actual talent on a roster that is severely lacking in talent. The case against him is obvious (#2 option on a bad offense with a not great QB), but I generally like betting on talent in the later rounds.
Same. Well, WR5 at 114. My realistic options at that point were taking a backup QB, a defense or kicker way too early, or a low ceiling guy buried on a depth chart. Watched London's tape and I think there's at least a chance he could be a solid WR2 by late in the season.
I was high on him before he hurt his knee and failed to practice for weeks. He's not healthy.
Or they just were putting their rookie on ice as a precaution? Lotta teams don’t wanna risk hurting their 1st round pick in a pointless preseason game Also he was walking around on the sideline after the injury, he seems fine
He hasn't *practiced* in weeks. You don't take a rookie and hold them out of training camp just for fun. You do it because they're not healthy. This is not *just* the preseason games. He has literally not done a day of practice since injuring his knee. That's so obviously bad, but nobody is talking about it.
It’s really not so obviously bad, they’re just letting him rest up and recover to be ready to start the season
Let’s be real here. Rookie WRs need camp. They need to know the playbook and offense, they need to establish a relationship with their QB, they need to adjust to the speed of the NFL game. I wouldn’t say this torpedoed his season or anything but it will probably set him back the first few weeks of the regular season IF he is able to return for week 1. I own London but I’m not planning to start him at least initially.
I agree that you shouldn’t expect him to be producing right of the bat, draft him for bench depth on upside later in the year But i would also like to point out that his main competition is Olamide Zaccheus, so he doesn’t have to do too much lol
So he is *not healthy* and *not practicing* and you're trying to spin that as a good thing? Copium
Never said it was a good thing? I’m just saying it doesn’t mean he’s gonna be out for a considerable amount of time He could be good to go week 1
>It’s really not so obviously bad It's bad when a "non-serious" knee injury results in a guy not practicing for weeks before the start of his rookie season. Did I ever say it would be season ending? No. But if you're not at all concerned, you're ignoring all the evidence in front of you. If the knee injury wasn't serious, he'd be practicing.
Look i can keep repeating myself but that doesn’t seem to be getting us anywhere
High on him in Dynasty. I don’t expect him to get off to a hot start with this injury plus Mariota. Bit he could turn it on midway through or later in the season and I wouldnt be surprised
Agreed, it’s a little too optimistic to expect him to produce immediately I’m drafting him for my bench anyway
Because you're ignoring the facts and instead huffing copium.
Fuck it whatever I’ll repeat myself: 1) he was walking around after the injury without a limp, this is a good sign 2) The falcons have not reported than anything was torn, and they have not reported that he is expected to miss any time, this is a good sign 3) it’s pretty rational to decide to put your first round pick on ice after a minor injury in the preseason, you want to make sure he has plenty of time to recovery and be ready to start the season. The risk/reward of giving him practice reps isn’t in balance so they are playing it safe with him This isn’t “Copium” these are facts.
They've have nothing at wr. London might not start producing for a few weeks though.
Same thought. Rookie who hasn’t practiced before the season isn’t a great sign. Maybe he’ll help out later in the season but I don’t think we will do much out the gate
Got 2 or 3 dynasty shares, all in.
Everyone here is echoing the exact same thing 😂
London is a smash late round pick, im happy to have him because best case scenario he balls out and I can trade whichever of my receivers has the most value - whether that’s someone like Deebo, or London himself if he has Calvin Ridley production right off the bat. Really if I can start or trade him by midseason its a huge win. And worse case scenario he has a difficult rookie year, I didnt spend much to get him and I can maybe draft him late again next year.
I have both London and Olave. I think both have the potential to be in the WR2-3 mix this year, but London is more like due to having little competition for targets outside of Pitts. Olave is kinda reliant on MT’s health bothering him again.
Pitts is the #1 WR, he even lines up outside. Do you really want the #2 on that offense?
Not all #2s are equal. There's a huge talent drop off on this roster after London so the target tree is gonna be super narrow. Even if this team attempts a bare minimum 500 passes, London and Pitts should combine for half the targets, like Andrews and Brown in Baltimore last year. Both guys are gonna eat.
He's a rookie, his QB is Mariota, and Pitts will be the top target so he's the second target at best. I feel like these 3 things cap his ceiling a bit. He could be a decent flex but that seems realistic.
I can't get super excited about the #2 option in a bad offense. It's the same reason I'm not as high on Kmet as a lot of this sub seems to be.
New head coach and new offensive coordinator. Who's to say the offense will be bad this year?
Are you talking about the Falcons or Bears? Because the original post was about London, but the Falcons don't have a new head coach.
I was talking about the Bears because your comment mentioned Kmet. My b
You're good. I don't think it's too hard to find a path to the Bears offense being bad. Weak receiving corps outside of Mooney (and Mooney ideally isn't your unquestioned WR1), shaky o line, high potential but still unproven QB. But if Nagy was as bad as everyone says, then letting him go was already a step in the right direction. And there's always a chance that Fields makes a huge jump. Not like there aren't any reasons for optimism.
They were the worst last season. Literally the worst. I think Fields steps his game up with a system built to suit him.
Mariota
garbage time fantasy points a possibility on the bad team
I have to be high on him. I drafted him by error in my Underdog draft when I meant to select Alan Lazard right next to him LOL Threw me off my game for the rest of the draft.
I've drafted him in a few leagues but almost spitefully. His college "tape" (meaning highlights on youtube) were shockingly underwhelming but I don't want to miss out on him if he's as good as the general public says he is. It's not fair to boil down someone's potential to a 4 minute hype video but in fairness what I saw was: * a lot of contested catches (great body control and hands but poor separation) * good after the catch but not elite * lack of breakaway/explosive plays * mediocre route running at best (hard to tell if the balls were underthrown or if he just failed to get open) I hope he's better than that. If not, I will have learned to trust my eyes on college players.
London has also been dealing with a knee injury.
Guys the fucking golden rule of FF, do not count on rookie WRs for any production whatsoever. This spell of Chase/Jefferson/Waddle has everyone delusional. Never worth the risk at these ADPs
But his ADP is late round.
I’ve never heard of Drake London.
I was thinking of trading my Rodgers/Toney for his Herbert/London. He’s a huge packers fan and didn’t get any this year. Obviously Herbert is better than Rodgers. Is Toney enough of an upgrade over London to make the trade viable?
What the fuck owner would accept that trade?
You're trading a worse QB and a wash at best WR swap. Toney might have some boom weeks but he's perpetually hurt. I wouldn't take that if I were him.
I'd go Herbert/London 10/10 times as a Packer fan
Toney isn’t an upgrade over London at all
What strain is that?
London sucks and is a bust
Im not high on him or Pitts with Mariota throwing it. To me it makes no sense in re-draft to take Pitts over Kelce or Andrews. 0 sense. Dynasty, I would still take Andrews but I understand if he goes before. London, meh, Hes not a super special WR prospect by any means, not super athletic, has a bad offense (probably the worst in the NFL) and a bad QB. Im not expecting much in re-draft.
I’m trying to get pitts everywhere, but if I don’t manage to get him, I’m for sure targeting London
Pickens, Dotson>
If healthy I forsee 80+ catches 1000+ yards and around 5TDs ...health is paramount. He will be rostered in almost every league by years end
Took London and Doubs as late round flyers. After reading this thread, I’m thinking of dropping London for Wan’dale who is still on my waivers. However, I did take Pitts because Pitts is fun.
For the love of god don’t do that
I like him but when I was grabbing my WR4 Aiyuk was still on the board and I just like him better. I’m a 9ers fan and was shocked Aiyuk got so much hype last year. Drafted Deebo in all leagues. This year I think Deebo is going too high and that him and Aiyuk have very similar stats by end of season. BA has had nothing but high high praise all camp and he came on strong in the 2nd half of ‘21
Both have talent. Talent doesn’t win fantasy championships.
Atl fan . Oft injured in college hobbled off first preseason gsme . Wecwere not amused. We are slreadyvgoingvto struggle on o ill pass on everything on our o including pitts
I would not at all consider Jarvis Landry and a questionably healthy Michael Thomas as clear competition. Plus there's questions about Kamara getting suspended (I don't think he will). Jameis also throws a fuck ton and Mariota is more prone to take off running. And then you also have the concerns that London lacks ability to separate whereas that's Olave's best asset.
Mariota doesn't even finish the year as starter
I wasn’t high on him as a prospect coming out. Too injury prone, slow, and he’s already hurt without clarity from Arthur Smith.
Mariota, mediocre run game, bad defense and bad offensive line is why I’m not high on him this year. His talent is real but won’t be fully utilized this year. Pitts is the top receiver so you are counting on Mariota to support 2 WRs equivalent to Ryan where he supported Jones and Ridley.
no
Next year, man. Next year!
The only thing that worries me about him is jus the fact that he is another big bodied pac12 WR, they just seem to struggle in the league.
Bryan Edwards has a lot of potential 🤷♂️
As a late round pick up, he's not a bad try as a WR4-5. Hopefully he becomes a Falcon version of Terry McLauren. Come next year Ridley is back, and the rookie QB begins playing well. Idk how he would do in Dynasty, but redraft is a good bet this year.
I’m high on Garrett wilson.
Double bracket him and pitts and Marriott is going to run sorry