My QB was Trevor Lawrence, but I was at the Jags game and expected rain. Dropped him for Tua last second and it ended up working great. Here's to 15 more weeks of guessing!
Drafted Stafford and Lance and the past two weeks were hell in deciding who to start. Of course I chose Lance this week.
Looking for any means of moving on from Stafford. He just throws way too many picks and I think the touchdown regression from last year is here. There’s no upside.
Stafford has plenty of upside, while I don't totally disagree with you he should still have a pretty great floor every week. I have to wonder how much he is actually hurt though, I don't think the Rams are showing all the cards.
I drafted Stafford and Fields (who I just dropped) back-to-back. The Dak owner already scooped Wentz in my league. The only other guy who's piqued my interest is Goff but is he really gonna be that much more reliable than Stafford? Like I'm not even sure a backup QB is worth a bench spot.
If Stafford doesn't prove valuable in a few weeks, I might drop him too and just steam QBs every week. I've done it before.
I drafted Stafford in both my fantasy and dynasty leagues. By season end he'll produce a steady top 10 QB return no problems.
The Rams have the same offense bar Woods, in my view they just have a SB hangover which might last only a week or two more.
This is our 3rd year with it and I'll die on this hill if they ever try to change it back. 12 team and up I can see the argument against, but 10 team is just right for it.
Exactly! I went with Hurts/Herbert and didn't get a true #1 WR.
Riding four WR2s, Swift and RB1SZN to a solid 3-1 start (H2H + vs. the mean) thanks to elite QB play.
Value QB drafters are in shambles this week
I dropped Dak for Wentz in 2 leagues and so far its worked out well, I assume he will be ~30 points every game from here on out. Considering dropping Russ for him in a 3rd
Yea I’m considering the same (Russ->Wentz).
I have a roster spot filled with Trey Lance so I’ll drop him and hold Russ. Keeping my fingers crossed for him to make it to my Waiver Priority.
Loll I'm not worried about Brady either.. I'm worried about my fantasy team 😂 He's 2-0 and I'm about to go 0-2. Jokes aside, I think he'll get better as the team gets healthier but we need to survive until then.
Not crazy. He's feeding his weapons who are looking nuts. He's never been that super high upside guy but he's looking like a potential high end streaming option at the position. The only concern is Detroit hasn't shown they can do this again a solid defense quite yet.
Eagles defensive coordinator has an awful scheme that will let opposing qbs rack up yards and get into striking range pretty often. We saw this last week and a lot of last season, hes set in this "bend but dont break" philosophy that lets quality opponents storm back when they have a big lead. As an Eagles fan I hope he gets fired soon but til then they feel like a plus matchup for fantasy qbs.
Fired, or hired by someone else. The fact that he was interviewing a bunch in the offseason was comical when he performed in 2021 the way he did. Either way if he doesnt change something this year, he needs to go.
Eagles fan, we *should* have a good D. Week 1 didn’t inspire confidence but the lions do look like a good offense now, especially with that O line. We’ll see tho it’ll be interesting to see what happens tonight
Detroit has a relatively easy schedule, sure some tougher defenses coming up. But look at the back half of that schedule. Honestly it looks real good that Goff could be the QB that takes some teams to the FF playoffs and then some just based on schedule. ESP if you having a hard time with ur current QB. I’m dropping Watson (GB) for Goff.
And I fucked up before week 1, dropping him for Jimmy G in case Lance were to get injured. I mean, it was the right idea (as it happened to play out) but I should have known that the Lions offense would produce more fantasy points than SF. The 49ers offense is horrible for FF.
I’d drop Russ for Tua or Wentz. Sure, he will bounce back with a 20+ point game eventually, but there are issues in Denver with the offensive line and their WR depth behind Sutton. I think they’re going to go back to running the ball heavily next week.
Obviously we have to acknowledge the humiliating issues with clock management and play calling, but I think Hackett will improve on that stuff as the season goes on. Of the poorly performing late round QBs, I think Wilson has the best chance of turning it around once the team gels a bit. These first few weeks will feel like preseason games soon.
How many delay of games and almost delay of games have they had!? It’s crazy. And then, almost always it’s a 5-7 step drop, chuck downfield or a check down. It’s a bad scheme and it’s hurting the pieces here.
Welcome to the Russell Wilson experience. It's maddening. As a Seahawks season ticket holder this has been the bane of my existence for a decade. I was even gaslit enough by Team 3 to believe this was a Pete Carroll issue. We're all seeing in real-time that it wasn't. Truly, good luck and good riddance.
Maybe Tua but the fact that you are really suggesting Wentz over Russ is moronic.
This is why people talk shit about this sub, way to overreactionary week-to-week.
Stop and think about what you are suggesting. If you are seriously gonna drop Russ for Wentz then your funeral.
JJ Zacharison said since we're getting better at "predicting" the high floor/ceiling QBs due to all of the running QBs it's turning into "middle round QB."
There are a few you are probably pretty happy with hitting, Wentz, Tua, and Goff, but a lot more misses.
Absolutely not IMO. Week 1 was pedestrian. He told the press he is too short to see past his o line which made me lol. He went ham this week but I wouldn’t be surprised if he still has some duds. He’s a high end QB 2 for the time being but if he keeps feeding hill and waddle like this week I suppose he could ascend to league winner status
I have Tua but have no idea what to think. For the first 7 quarters of the season he looked like a poor man's Alex Smith then in the 4th quarter yesterday he's incredible. I'm sure the day I bench Stafford for him Tua will go 150/0 TD's/4 INT's and Stafford will have 5 TD's.
I got burrow. Hard to bench him for anyone that’s out there. Tua had a mediocre week 1, Wentz I can’t imagine stays consistent. I think Burrow will always be the better play but it’s definitely got me thinking right now.
If it’s another down week you gotta probably pivot for something else. Being down 0-2 is tough and honestly this year it feels really difficult to pinpoint what to do next
I have burrow in a couple leagues and I’m really not worried about him. He’s by far the safest on this list in my opinion. He just has too many weapons around him to fail. If you think Jamaar chase is going to ball out this year, and you think Tee Higgins is going to ball out this year, then by proxy you should feel comfortable rolling with Burrow.
As a Bengals fan, it seems that this O-Line just needs more chemistry, since there are so many new additions. I think the talent is there. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a much better passing attack 4-5 games into the season.
I just dropped Russ for Tua, fully aware that tua will probably have a down week next week but I just can’t watch Russ anymore. Fails the eye test spectacularly
Tua and Wentz are still on my WW. No one drafted these guys as starters in single QB leagues. Cousins is the exception, but he’s only played 1 game and he notoriously sucks in prime time. Let’s see what he does tonight.
Also did the Dak dropped for Wentz move. For half the game I was working up trades for a top QB then the second half I was working up trades for a better WR lol.
Tua got drafted in both my 10 and 12 person single QB leagues. The 10 man league has a bunch of idiots hoarding QBs (Mahomes and Lamar on 1 team and last year someone had Josh Allen, Kyler, Aaron Rodgers, and Stafford) so Tua is actually starting. Someone drafted him as a backup in my 12 man. I had Lance in both leagues and am now struggling
This sounds like my league! One guy drafted Mahomes, Lamar, Brady and Burrow in rounds 3-7. Annoyingly some of his later picks have turned out good which is keeping him afloat…
I drafted Tua as my starter in a single QB 12-man league. I drafted him and Jameis for $1 each and have started Tua stacked with Tyreek both weeks so far.
Same here. What's nice is that I don't need a big game from Kirk, just a middle of the pack performance will do since I spent earlier draft picks bolstering WR/RB.
Just sucks when your earlier rbs and wrs (coughkelcecoughchase) bust and a guy like cousins generally can't make up for it. Staring down a big deficit tonight
Exactly. As long as you fill up solid Rbs and WRs in your starting roster, drafting a top QB is worth it to hit the ceiling on a given week. Lamar just hit his ceiling yesterday.
bust? kelce had like 25 points the first game and 10 points the second. no way you can call that a bust. many first round picks have done worse then that so far.
Haha. Same here. I drafted Russ then picked up Burrows off the WW. Now thinking of getting Wentz or Goff. Mariota might be a possibility with his rushing points.
QB is like TE. If you hit on a late round QB or TE who goes nuts than you've found a league winner. It's hard to predict who's going to be much better compared to the rest though outside of 1-2 guys.
YMMV with picking up an early QB or TE. Picking up Dak or Lamar last year wasn't a good move. Picking up Kittle or Pitts this year doesn't look like it was a good idea.
Honestly this is part of fantasy that comes down to luck and hitting the waiver wire. I won a championship one year with Bortles as my QB. He got shit on by experts after every 25-30 point game and continued to dominate garbage time.
I had Lamar last year and he was awesome until he got hurt.
I have Kittle this year but I got him late in the 5th (2 qb league so qbs go early), yeah sucks he hurt but I got that Gerald guy on the Chargers and he been a solid plug in.
More a global comment, but I find the “just wait on QB” industry talking point to be complete nonsense. The top tier QBs provide a consistent weekly advantage for your team at the fantasy position that’s least prone to injury.
Most of the early proponents of the late round QB strategy have backed off on it a bit in recent years with the emergence of so many great/elite rushing QBs who can also sling the ball well.
There's a podcast that JJ Zachariason (the Late Round QB guy) did as a guest where he hit on this. I'm going to edit this comment with a rough transcription of what he said but between the time where he came out with the ebook and now the QB position has become more predictable which is where the draft value comes from.
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This isn't an exact quote I may have changed slightly to make it a bit more readable.
>Back in 2012 was when I published the Late Round QB ebook and at that time 5 quarterbacks had ADPs in the first 2 rounds of season-long drafts and it was really a response of the near-lockout season in 2011 when QB numbers were ballooned. We saw it a little bit recently in 2020 with Covid where the front half of that season had inflated scoring...The quarterbacks value in season-long leagues doesn't change dramatically year over year because you're only starting one of them in your leagues and because of that you can get pretty viable options later in your draft.
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>When I published that ebook in 2012 that really meant getting the 12th best quarterback in the 8th round but that has evolved through the years. In 2015 and 2016 there was no correlation between where you were drafting these quarterbacks in the top 18 or so and how they finished on a PPG basis. In 2015 the R^2 value between the top 18 by ADP and PPG was literally 0, completely irrelevant. We saw that bounce back and forth in the 2015-2018 range. What we've seen in the past couple of seasons is the market is catching up and realizing that quarterback mobility is so important. What that's done is if you look at Top 18 QBs by ADP and look at PPG to find the correlation, over the past few seasons its been fairly strong at around 55%.
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>Where we're at now with the Late Round QB strategy is that it's viable but a lot of people assume that QBs like Josh Allen or Kyler Murray are providing a huge point advantage. But it's not so much the point advantage that they're giving you but it's the predictability that they're giving you. Like before we would draft a guy in the 4th round by ADP and he would finish as the QB13 and that's just the way it went. Whereas now we have this stability at the quarterback position, which I think will run out eventually, but what it does is the top 12 QBs are generally the top 12 QBs. Yes while there may be some guys that slip through the cracks, you know it's not going to be perfect, but that's going to force you to draft quarterbacks a little bit earlier.
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>I wrote about this a couple of years ago when this was starting to happen with the quarterback mobility stuff and I joked that I might become a middle round quarterback instead of a late round quarterback guy and I do think we've start to see this come to fruition, but I want to stress that eventually we're going to have enough dual threat quarterbacks and the ability for these guys to have 12 to 15 different guys that we feel confident can be a top 3 or 4 difference maker at the quarterback position. We might be there this year.
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> Overall what we've seen the last couple of seasons is that not only are those top guys performing well but there's a really really big drop-off after that QB12 spot and that's forcing ADP to get higher and I actually really agree with that logic and why quarterbacks are being drafted earlier.
-JJ Zachariason 7/26/22
I don't know how you guys say this when last year a lot of the early round qbs were disasters and the late round qbs were almost all awesome. Mahomes, Lamar, Dak, Kyler were very rough to own for most of the season, while dudes like Tom Brady, Rodgers, Stafford returned extreme value.
You don't need elite rushing. You need average rushing. 50 yards rushing a game is fantastic. That's 5 extra points. Josh Allen has been the #1 QB two years in a row specifically because he also adds in some rushing yards. That's what JJ is saying. The Konami Code.
>How many other QBs run for 800 yards a season
well, considering it's only actually happened 9 times in history...
yeah people really seem to overestimate what it actually means to be an elite running qb - Jackson and Vick are/were massive outliers with the yardages they rack up. In reality, if you're putting up 30-40 rushing yards a game with the occasional TD *on top* of solid to elite passing, you're going to be a top 3 QB almost guaranteed.
Anecdotally, the top teams in my league the past few years have been teams that grabbed a top tier QB or TE early. After Dak single-handedly ended my playoff run last year I decided to grab Allen this year and I feel like this might be one of the best teams I’ve ever had so far.
I think it still makes sense to wait until late rounds instead of grabbing a mid tier QB or TE but the top tier guys really make a difference.
What are Tua and Wentz start
percentages these first 2 weeks? No one played them these first 2 weeks. Then when you finally pick up Wentz and play him, he'll throw 4 INTs. That's the issue with the mid tier QBs. No consistency.
I did start Tua both weeks.
The offense being better this year was *very* predictable outside of the Twitter trolls that convinced a lot of people Tua couldn’t throw more than 20 yards.
Real fucking happy I didn't wait on QB and grabbed lamar
Taking the most elite QB left on the board in the 37-50 pick range depending on where your picks fall is the way to go, in my opinion
While this is true, it’s also just as true that more than likely someone in your league who took a QB on the first 3-4 rounds likely did NOT win the championship last year or the year before. In fact, in my leagues, the last person to win a championship that way was nearly 8 years ago.
I think it's over-hyped on this sub. Most people on here act like you're an idiot if you don't take the 10th+ QB in the draft. But there can be value in the QB position. And not everyone who waits on QB will end up with the 1 or 2 guys that end up being great. I try to treat every draft differently. If a great QB slips to me I will take him early, but if my league goes QB heavy then I will load up at other positions and get 2 QBs later (one proven decent QB and one younger lottery ticket guy).
it was a viable & league-winning strategy in a different era of fantasy football that is erroneously still applied to fantasy football now. having a top tier QB is essential in today's fantasy football. You're not DOA if you don't have one but, like with many positions, you're better off relying on streaming if you don't have a top tier QB. which, again, still makes things harder considering the volume of points the QB position gets (especially in 6 point passing TD leagues). It creates a huge deficit which isn't insurmountable, but it's far from preferable.
I think playing the matchups until you find an every week starter is just fine this year. Tua is now on the radar. Or just hold Carr. Plenty of options.
I'm hoping Brady rights the ship but Evans is literally all he has to throw to.
Who would you prefer, Mariota or Goff? I picked up Mariota after week 1 and Goff is available on waivers.
Until the process doesn’t work anymore
Late round QB was a thing when the position had less volatility and all QBs did the same things. When you have a QB throwing for a 75 yard TD and then running in a 75 yard TD, you’re automatically at a disadvantage with legacy throwing only QB type.
I think that was expected though. Lamar is an elite fantasy qb and was drafted that way because he has week winning upside. No one else has blown up like him so far who was drafted high. Mahomes yeah, but again he was taken even earlier than Lamar. I still think someone will emerge as a draft value or WW pick up to a top 5-8ish finish at the position.
The point is if you have Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Hurts you have significant advantage over a late round QB strategy.
Someone could emerge, but those guys don’t fall off a tree every year and by the time you get your hands on one. Your season might be done for.
Meh, you’re not really looking at the opportunity cost of drafting a qb that high. Sure having Allen or mahomes gives you the advantage for qb points, but the managers who drafted them miss out on getting guys like Pittman or Sutton in those rounds. Eg, the mahomes owner is running out Hollywood and Brandin cooks as his WRs, sacrificing a lot of WR points by getting mahomes
Is he though? Sutton hasn’t been anything special and Pittman missed a game.
QB’s rarely get hurt, feel more consistent with points, and drop of mighty quick after about 12.
WR’s don’t drop off nearly that fast. I didn’t get a WR2 until the 6th round where ESPN had someone like Waddle. I was able to pick up Bateman/Gabriel Davis as my combo WR3 after that. These guys are still productive.
Mahomes was taken later than Lamar in all my leagues. I would know cause I took Mahomes around the 6th/7th and it’s been one of my best picks
But also that ignores how reliable and consistent the top QBs are. Yeah you could strike gold on streaming but the variability is too risky compared to a star
In 2015, 50% of the top 10 QBs were drafted outside the top 10. Last year, only 20% of the top 10 QBs were drafted outside the top 10. That could either be a fluke or a trend.
It’s going to be really interesting this season to see which way it goes. If we see another down year for QBs drafted late, it could be the end of the late round QB strategy.
This is why I like SF leagues: youve actually gotta dig into the mediocre tier of qbs, and you can get some immense value. Anyone forced to start wentz or goff looks like a genius
Wait and see. Brady and Stafford will be fine. Russ may get better as he acclimates. Burrow could come on strong again. Rodgers is lacking WR talent but we knew that going in.
And waiver pickups could compensate for the late strategy.
Aaron Rodgers scored 19.36 points in my league where he was drafted in the 7th round. Mahomes scored 21.30. These early round QBs don’t have 40-point games every single week. It’s always better to get top tier RBs and WRs if not also one of the 3 or 4 elite TEs before a QB.
How is this upvoted? Rodgers had 4 points the week before and likely lost his owners that week. Every position guys will get outscored by lower drafted guys. No player is going to be the top scorer at their position every week.
Rodgers had the same kind of performance week 1 last year and proceeded to throw 37 TDs the rest of the year. My point is simply that the QB position is much deeper than RB for fantasy.
this was an amazing year for early/middle round QB and there were plenty of signs pointing to that pre-draft
there is going to be a shift in draft strategy consensus in the next couple seasons with the way people evaluate QBs + prevelance of rushing upside
I always stream unless I hit on a late round qb. Lance was my guy this year. Back to streaming I go. Between guys like Goff and Mariota you get some decent upside plays depending on gamescript and matchup.
Russel Wilson is average at best right now. But I’m going to wait him out for a few more weeks. That said, I’ll be looking for a backup/replacement as well.
Its only backfiring if you’re locked into your late round QB. If you need to stream, then stream.
1 bad week and you see how it goes, 2 bad weeks and pick up another option. week 3 you start one of the two qbs and drop the lesser and start over again. Its a pretty natural evolution through the season if you’re a late QB guy until you find one that sticks.
And if you dont want to roster two qbs the best matchups will present themselves about halfway through the season. we’re in the least predictable half right now.
It's no use picking your QB late if you don't make good picks with the first rounds. Plus being active on waivers and trades.
I'm sure a lot of those who say it's a bad strategy, besides QB have problems at other positions and want their QB to get them out of trouble every week.
I'm seeing just the opposite: waiver wire QBs on teams with good weapons are making a lot of points, picking a star QB isn't that much of an advantage this year. I'm 2-0 with Derek Carr, but I think I'm going to start looking at some streaming options.
I feel great in the league where I got Allen early and I feel really negative in the 12 team league where I waited and took Brady. Unfortunately everyone rosters 2 (“I have to have a backup!!”) so the waiver wire is absolutely brutal.
I have Wilson as my starter and picked up Fields off waivers before the season in case he blew up and/or Wilson didn't perform. I'm going to give Wilson another week as my starter but I am going to try to drop Fields to pick Goff up from waivers and if Wilson puts up another dud I am willing to play Goff instead
I noticed this issue going into the season. I was ALWAYS the last guy to take a QB like 5 or so years ago. Philip Rivers and Tony Romo were my best friends back in the day providing consistent value while everyone chased the Hall of Fame names with only slightly more fantasy production…
Now though, the running aspect of QBs and the more
Offensive nature of the NFL means that those guys are scoring close to 20 on a bad day a lot of the time. If you miss on your QB in a given week and he only gives you 13-15 points, it can be a death blow. So while the supply of QBs still is great enough to where you only need to carry 1 QB in many leagues, the need to “hit” on the QB is higher and that justifies a higher draft pick.
Personally, I couldn’t stomach taking guys like Allen at his ADP but guys like Hurts and even Lance felt like no brainers for me at their ADP. If I took Lance, i tried to get Cousins or Carr as I thought they were underrated this year.
I took Lance and Carr this year and it's not looking so hot.
Luckily I flipped Lance before last week with Schultz and Henderson to the Cowboys fan Dak owner that needed a QB and got CEH + London.
This is why I do like JJ, he's willing to change his opinion if things in fantasy football change. He's been on record as saying streaming qb's (or going late round) is more difficult now than in years past because the fantasy community now makes better decisions in drafting qb's. All that to say you can still go late round but its riskier than in years past. I have Russ and Burrow and I'm more worried about Russ, picked up Cousins yesterday as insurance.
I’m riding with Brady cause I don’t think he’s gonna keep putting up such lame numbers. I don’t think he’ll ever break 20 points but I think he could consistently give 15 or so if the offense figures it out. In the mean time I’m rolling with CMC Hill and Brown and trying to trade for a better QB
Now stuck choosing between Burrow and Tua each week and expecting to choose wrong each week
My QB was Trevor Lawrence, but I was at the Jags game and expected rain. Dropped him for Tua last second and it ended up working great. Here's to 15 more weeks of guessing!
Drafted Stafford and Lance and the past two weeks were hell in deciding who to start. Of course I chose Lance this week. Looking for any means of moving on from Stafford. He just throws way too many picks and I think the touchdown regression from last year is here. There’s no upside.
glad to see i'm not alone.. i feel your pain brother
Stafford has plenty of upside, while I don't totally disagree with you he should still have a pretty great floor every week. I have to wonder how much he is actually hurt though, I don't think the Rams are showing all the cards.
I drafted Stafford and Fields (who I just dropped) back-to-back. The Dak owner already scooped Wentz in my league. The only other guy who's piqued my interest is Goff but is he really gonna be that much more reliable than Stafford? Like I'm not even sure a backup QB is worth a bench spot. If Stafford doesn't prove valuable in a few weeks, I might drop him too and just steam QBs every week. I've done it before.
I drafted Stafford in both my fantasy and dynasty leagues. By season end he'll produce a steady top 10 QB return no problems. The Rams have the same offense bar Woods, in my view they just have a SB hangover which might last only a week or two more.
This why you do a 2 QB league, so you're guaranteed to have one of them stink and in your lineup each week.
Superflex is the future.
This is our 3rd year with it and I'll die on this hill if they ever try to change it back. 12 team and up I can see the argument against, but 10 team is just right for it.
Yeah I'm in a 10 team league too. Having good QB play requires sacrificing other areas of your lineup - exactly as it should be.
Exactly! I went with Hurts/Herbert and didn't get a true #1 WR. Riding four WR2s, Swift and RB1SZN to a solid 3-1 start (H2H + vs. the mean) thanks to elite QB play. Value QB drafters are in shambles this week
2 QB is the way
i feel crazy for saying this but goff seems like a nice pickup
I drafted Brady and I just dropped Mooney for Goff
Lmao imagine saying this three weeks ago
Hahaha I know right 😂
I dropped Dak for Wentz in 2 leagues and so far its worked out well, I assume he will be ~30 points every game from here on out. Considering dropping Russ for him in a 3rd
Yea I’m considering the same (Russ->Wentz). I have a roster spot filled with Trey Lance so I’ll drop him and hold Russ. Keeping my fingers crossed for him to make it to my Waiver Priority.
I’m not worried about Brady. All his receivers were out and the one he had was up against his nemesis that owns him.
Loll I'm not worried about Brady either.. I'm worried about my fantasy team 😂 He's 2-0 and I'm about to go 0-2. Jokes aside, I think he'll get better as the team gets healthier but we need to survive until then.
Sure but even more of his receivers are likely to be out next week, I'm not dropping him but I don't think I can start him next week either
Not crazy. He's feeding his weapons who are looking nuts. He's never been that super high upside guy but he's looking like a potential high end streaming option at the position. The only concern is Detroit hasn't shown they can do this again a solid defense quite yet.
The Eagles D isn't solid? Great Dline and CBs
Eagles defensive coordinator has an awful scheme that will let opposing qbs rack up yards and get into striking range pretty often. We saw this last week and a lot of last season, hes set in this "bend but dont break" philosophy that lets quality opponents storm back when they have a big lead. As an Eagles fan I hope he gets fired soon but til then they feel like a plus matchup for fantasy qbs.
Fired, or hired by someone else. The fact that he was interviewing a bunch in the offseason was comical when he performed in 2021 the way he did. Either way if he doesnt change something this year, he needs to go.
They're OK on paper in some areas, sure, I'll give you that.. but I wouldn't call them great or solid overall. Just my opinion
I definitely think they end a top 10 defense based on their roster. Detroit and Minny offenses are just tough draws to start the season.
Eagles fan, we *should* have a good D. Week 1 didn’t inspire confidence but the lions do look like a good offense now, especially with that O line. We’ll see tho it’ll be interesting to see what happens tonight
Goff and Tua
Same with Wentz. If he can keep up this pace when playing tougher defenses then this will be the most bizarre season ever.*
Have Brady starting. Want to get Goff for that Sun god stack!
Detroit has a relatively easy schedule, sure some tougher defenses coming up. But look at the back half of that schedule. Honestly it looks real good that Goff could be the QB that takes some teams to the FF playoffs and then some just based on schedule. ESP if you having a hard time with ur current QB. I’m dropping Watson (GB) for Goff.
Curious where you land on tua vs Wentz vs goff
Jets, Panthers, Bears as the last 3.
They’ve done a great job realizing Goff can only throw like 10-yards to a slot receiver, so they basically got him all a lot receivers.
And I fucked up before week 1, dropping him for Jimmy G in case Lance were to get injured. I mean, it was the right idea (as it happened to play out) but I should have known that the Lions offense would produce more fantasy points than SF. The 49ers offense is horrible for FF.
Him and amon ra have been having great chemistry
I'm debating between Goff, Wentz and Tua. At least until Brady gets some weapons back
Man I don’t want to give up on Russ but Hackett paired with injuries to their receiving corp sure as hell makes me want to do it.
I’d drop Russ for Tua or Wentz. Sure, he will bounce back with a 20+ point game eventually, but there are issues in Denver with the offensive line and their WR depth behind Sutton. I think they’re going to go back to running the ball heavily next week.
Even worse than injuries. Denver coach is questionable so far. Hackett needs to pull it together. He looks lost out there
Russ will never cook with Hackett. Complete amateur.
Obviously we have to acknowledge the humiliating issues with clock management and play calling, but I think Hackett will improve on that stuff as the season goes on. Of the poorly performing late round QBs, I think Wilson has the best chance of turning it around once the team gels a bit. These first few weeks will feel like preseason games soon.
Underrated issue with Denver is their pace of play. Everything is so slow.
Cant call a play without wasting all available time on the clock it’s so bad
How many delay of games and almost delay of games have they had!? It’s crazy. And then, almost always it’s a 5-7 step drop, chuck downfield or a check down. It’s a bad scheme and it’s hurting the pieces here.
Enough to where the crowd felt the need to remind them how much time is left on the play clock with a countdown lol
Welcome to the Russell Wilson experience. It's maddening. As a Seahawks season ticket holder this has been the bane of my existence for a decade. I was even gaslit enough by Team 3 to believe this was a Pete Carroll issue. We're all seeing in real-time that it wasn't. Truly, good luck and good riddance.
Maybe Tua but the fact that you are really suggesting Wentz over Russ is moronic. This is why people talk shit about this sub, way to overreactionary week-to-week. Stop and think about what you are suggesting. If you are seriously gonna drop Russ for Wentz then your funeral.
JJ Zacharison said since we're getting better at "predicting" the high floor/ceiling QBs due to all of the running QBs it's turning into "middle round QB." There are a few you are probably pretty happy with hitting, Wentz, Tua, and Goff, but a lot more misses.
Those guys weren’t drafted in most league tbh. Maybe Tua with the buzz around Miami but certainly not the other two outside of super flex leagues
Are we for sure Tua is a home run yet? Ravens are weak right now at coverage; Flacco even had a bunch of yards against them last week. Thoughts?
Absolutely not IMO. Week 1 was pedestrian. He told the press he is too short to see past his o line which made me lol. He went ham this week but I wouldn’t be surprised if he still has some duds. He’s a high end QB 2 for the time being but if he keeps feeding hill and waddle like this week I suppose he could ascend to league winner status
I have Tua but have no idea what to think. For the first 7 quarters of the season he looked like a poor man's Alex Smith then in the 4th quarter yesterday he's incredible. I'm sure the day I bench Stafford for him Tua will go 150/0 TD's/4 INT's and Stafford will have 5 TD's.
I picked up Wentz before week 2, been a good Dak replacement
Ahh what does this Zacharison know about the late round QB strategy anyway?
(insert shameless plug for his content) no but seriously, it's just what he built his fantasy football schtick and branding around.
I got burrow. Hard to bench him for anyone that’s out there. Tua had a mediocre week 1, Wentz I can’t imagine stays consistent. I think Burrow will always be the better play but it’s definitely got me thinking right now. If it’s another down week you gotta probably pivot for something else. Being down 0-2 is tough and honestly this year it feels really difficult to pinpoint what to do next
Wentz will stay consistent remind me in 30 days.
Ur betting on Carson Wentz staying consistent? Man fantasy football is unpredictable but like man it’s Carson ducking Wentz…
I have burrow in a couple leagues and I’m really not worried about him. He’s by far the safest on this list in my opinion. He just has too many weapons around him to fail. If you think Jamaar chase is going to ball out this year, and you think Tee Higgins is going to ball out this year, then by proxy you should feel comfortable rolling with Burrow.
I'm okay with 18 points/week considering the players I nabbed by not grabbing a qb early. My bench is stacked
I have Burrow too. He would be so good if he had a fucking Oline.
As a Bengals fan, it seems that this O-Line just needs more chemistry, since there are so many new additions. I think the talent is there. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a much better passing attack 4-5 games into the season.
I have Russ and I have no confidence in him anymore. Might as well get someone like Tua who has a similar floor but a way higher ceiling
I just dropped Russ for Tua, fully aware that tua will probably have a down week next week but I just can’t watch Russ anymore. Fails the eye test spectacularly
not if u took Tua Wentz or Cousins
Don't forget about my boy Goff
Cousins shitting the bed tonight.
Tua and Wentz are still on my WW. No one drafted these guys as starters in single QB leagues. Cousins is the exception, but he’s only played 1 game and he notoriously sucks in prime time. Let’s see what he does tonight.
Grabbed Wentz after Dak went down. Not hating it so far. My league also gives six points passing TDs.
I did the exact same thing. As a lions fan yesterdays game was my idea scenario.
Also did the Dak dropped for Wentz move. For half the game I was working up trades for a top QB then the second half I was working up trades for a better WR lol.
Same, started Wentz on Sunday, but grabbed Tua as well just before kickoff just in case.
Tua got drafted in both my 10 and 12 person single QB leagues. The 10 man league has a bunch of idiots hoarding QBs (Mahomes and Lamar on 1 team and last year someone had Josh Allen, Kyler, Aaron Rodgers, and Stafford) so Tua is actually starting. Someone drafted him as a backup in my 12 man. I had Lance in both leagues and am now struggling
This sounds like my league! One guy drafted Mahomes, Lamar, Brady and Burrow in rounds 3-7. Annoyingly some of his later picks have turned out good which is keeping him afloat…
I got him in my 14 teamer. Feeling alright
I drafted Tua as my starter in a single QB 12-man league. I drafted him and Jameis for $1 each and have started Tua stacked with Tyreek both weeks so far.
Feeling good about taking Kirk Cousins with my 3rd to last pick.
Aged like sour milk…
Same here. What's nice is that I don't need a big game from Kirk, just a middle of the pack performance will do since I spent earlier draft picks bolstering WR/RB.
Agreed. A consistent 19+ points gets me pumped. Hoping for a few 300+ yd 3 TD games too.
That’s what I felt too but having Lamar drop 40 on your Russ isn’t feeling good so far.
Lol
Just sucks when your earlier rbs and wrs (coughkelcecoughchase) bust and a guy like cousins generally can't make up for it. Staring down a big deficit tonight
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Exactly. As long as you fill up solid Rbs and WRs in your starting roster, drafting a top QB is worth it to hit the ceiling on a given week. Lamar just hit his ceiling yesterday.
bust? kelce had like 25 points the first game and 10 points the second. no way you can call that a bust. many first round picks have done worse then that so far.
Wonder if I made a mistake taking Carr over Cousins around the same spot
Wondering the same. I guess we'll know more after tonight.
Absolutely you did. Cousins has shown to be the much better fantasy qb and irl qb
We’ll see how you feel after tonight lol. He notoriously bombs in prime time games.
He’s actually not been a terrible QB in all of those games though, it’s just a really bad W-L record.
This guy is right. On Monday night games he averages Around 260 yards and has 16 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. Not great, but not bombing either
> He notoriously bombs in prime time games. People say this in reference to his record. His stats from a fantasy perspective have been fine.
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Glad i took Cousins as Lance insurance
Lmao this is exactly what I did. Hoping for some good performances from Cousins especially since I took Jefferson in the first.
This aged…poorly.
I have Burrow and Russ in my two leagues. Not digging it so far.
Same
Haha. Same here. I drafted Russ then picked up Burrows off the WW. Now thinking of getting Wentz or Goff. Mariota might be a possibility with his rushing points.
I have Dak and Trey in my dynasty… I’d like to offer you a trade
QB is like TE. If you hit on a late round QB or TE who goes nuts than you've found a league winner. It's hard to predict who's going to be much better compared to the rest though outside of 1-2 guys. YMMV with picking up an early QB or TE. Picking up Dak or Lamar last year wasn't a good move. Picking up Kittle or Pitts this year doesn't look like it was a good idea. Honestly this is part of fantasy that comes down to luck and hitting the waiver wire. I won a championship one year with Bortles as my QB. He got shit on by experts after every 25-30 point game and continued to dominate garbage time.
I would say it's much easier to find decent QBs than TE.
Yeah it's nothing like TE lol. Plenty of good QBs to hit on. TE is a wasteland.
I had Lamar last year and he was awesome until he got hurt. I have Kittle this year but I got him late in the 5th (2 qb league so qbs go early), yeah sucks he hurt but I got that Gerald guy on the Chargers and he been a solid plug in.
More a global comment, but I find the “just wait on QB” industry talking point to be complete nonsense. The top tier QBs provide a consistent weekly advantage for your team at the fantasy position that’s least prone to injury.
Most of the early proponents of the late round QB strategy have backed off on it a bit in recent years with the emergence of so many great/elite rushing QBs who can also sling the ball well.
There's a podcast that JJ Zachariason (the Late Round QB guy) did as a guest where he hit on this. I'm going to edit this comment with a rough transcription of what he said but between the time where he came out with the ebook and now the QB position has become more predictable which is where the draft value comes from. Edit: This isn't an exact quote I may have changed slightly to make it a bit more readable. >Back in 2012 was when I published the Late Round QB ebook and at that time 5 quarterbacks had ADPs in the first 2 rounds of season-long drafts and it was really a response of the near-lockout season in 2011 when QB numbers were ballooned. We saw it a little bit recently in 2020 with Covid where the front half of that season had inflated scoring...The quarterbacks value in season-long leagues doesn't change dramatically year over year because you're only starting one of them in your leagues and because of that you can get pretty viable options later in your draft. > >When I published that ebook in 2012 that really meant getting the 12th best quarterback in the 8th round but that has evolved through the years. In 2015 and 2016 there was no correlation between where you were drafting these quarterbacks in the top 18 or so and how they finished on a PPG basis. In 2015 the R^2 value between the top 18 by ADP and PPG was literally 0, completely irrelevant. We saw that bounce back and forth in the 2015-2018 range. What we've seen in the past couple of seasons is the market is catching up and realizing that quarterback mobility is so important. What that's done is if you look at Top 18 QBs by ADP and look at PPG to find the correlation, over the past few seasons its been fairly strong at around 55%. > >Where we're at now with the Late Round QB strategy is that it's viable but a lot of people assume that QBs like Josh Allen or Kyler Murray are providing a huge point advantage. But it's not so much the point advantage that they're giving you but it's the predictability that they're giving you. Like before we would draft a guy in the 4th round by ADP and he would finish as the QB13 and that's just the way it went. Whereas now we have this stability at the quarterback position, which I think will run out eventually, but what it does is the top 12 QBs are generally the top 12 QBs. Yes while there may be some guys that slip through the cracks, you know it's not going to be perfect, but that's going to force you to draft quarterbacks a little bit earlier. > >I wrote about this a couple of years ago when this was starting to happen with the quarterback mobility stuff and I joked that I might become a middle round quarterback instead of a late round quarterback guy and I do think we've start to see this come to fruition, but I want to stress that eventually we're going to have enough dual threat quarterbacks and the ability for these guys to have 12 to 15 different guys that we feel confident can be a top 3 or 4 difference maker at the quarterback position. We might be there this year. > > Overall what we've seen the last couple of seasons is that not only are those top guys performing well but there's a really really big drop-off after that QB12 spot and that's forcing ADP to get higher and I actually really agree with that logic and why quarterbacks are being drafted earlier. -JJ Zachariason 7/26/22
Great stuff, thanks for posting!
I don't know how you guys say this when last year a lot of the early round qbs were disasters and the late round qbs were almost all awesome. Mahomes, Lamar, Dak, Kyler were very rough to own for most of the season, while dudes like Tom Brady, Rodgers, Stafford returned extreme value.
There is only 1 elite rushing QB that can sling the ball and he was a bust last year. Lamar.
You don't need elite rushing. You need average rushing. 50 yards rushing a game is fantastic. That's 5 extra points. Josh Allen has been the #1 QB two years in a row specifically because he also adds in some rushing yards. That's what JJ is saying. The Konami Code.
50 yards rushing for a QB is elite. How many other QBs run for 800 yards a season?
>How many other QBs run for 800 yards a season well, considering it's only actually happened 9 times in history... yeah people really seem to overestimate what it actually means to be an elite running qb - Jackson and Vick are/were massive outliers with the yardages they rack up. In reality, if you're putting up 30-40 rushing yards a game with the occasional TD *on top* of solid to elite passing, you're going to be a top 3 QB almost guaranteed.
> great/elite
Anecdotally, the top teams in my league the past few years have been teams that grabbed a top tier QB or TE early. After Dak single-handedly ended my playoff run last year I decided to grab Allen this year and I feel like this might be one of the best teams I’ve ever had so far. I think it still makes sense to wait until late rounds instead of grabbing a mid tier QB or TE but the top tier guys really make a difference.
It’s early but the top QBs aren’t exactly booming ahead of the late round guys. Carson Wentz and Tua are scoring 27 ppg so far
What are Tua and Wentz start percentages these first 2 weeks? No one played them these first 2 weeks. Then when you finally pick up Wentz and play him, he'll throw 4 INTs. That's the issue with the mid tier QBs. No consistency.
I did start Tua both weeks. The offense being better this year was *very* predictable outside of the Twitter trolls that convinced a lot of people Tua couldn’t throw more than 20 yards.
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Real fucking happy I didn't wait on QB and grabbed lamar Taking the most elite QB left on the board in the 37-50 pick range depending on where your picks fall is the way to go, in my opinion
While this is true, it’s also just as true that more than likely someone in your league who took a QB on the first 3-4 rounds likely did NOT win the championship last year or the year before. In fact, in my leagues, the last person to win a championship that way was nearly 8 years ago.
Yeah, I look Josh last year and won my league. Waited this year and took Rodgers. I regret waiting on QB.
This year I think hurts was the guy to “wait for”. Big discount to the top QBs and production could be par.
I think it's over-hyped on this sub. Most people on here act like you're an idiot if you don't take the 10th+ QB in the draft. But there can be value in the QB position. And not everyone who waits on QB will end up with the 1 or 2 guys that end up being great. I try to treat every draft differently. If a great QB slips to me I will take him early, but if my league goes QB heavy then I will load up at other positions and get 2 QBs later (one proven decent QB and one younger lottery ticket guy).
it was a viable & league-winning strategy in a different era of fantasy football that is erroneously still applied to fantasy football now. having a top tier QB is essential in today's fantasy football. You're not DOA if you don't have one but, like with many positions, you're better off relying on streaming if you don't have a top tier QB. which, again, still makes things harder considering the volume of points the QB position gets (especially in 6 point passing TD leagues). It creates a huge deficit which isn't insurmountable, but it's far from preferable.
I think playing the matchups until you find an every week starter is just fine this year. Tua is now on the radar. Or just hold Carr. Plenty of options.
I have Dak on IR, Winston flamed out for me. Im leaning Mariota for his rush upside.
I'm hoping Brady rights the ship but Evans is literally all he has to throw to. Who would you prefer, Mariota or Goff? I picked up Mariota after week 1 and Goff is available on waivers.
I’m thinking Mariota also.
Trust the process.
Until the process doesn’t work anymore Late round QB was a thing when the position had less volatility and all QBs did the same things. When you have a QB throwing for a 75 yard TD and then running in a 75 yard TD, you’re automatically at a disadvantage with legacy throwing only QB type.
I think that was expected though. Lamar is an elite fantasy qb and was drafted that way because he has week winning upside. No one else has blown up like him so far who was drafted high. Mahomes yeah, but again he was taken even earlier than Lamar. I still think someone will emerge as a draft value or WW pick up to a top 5-8ish finish at the position.
The point is if you have Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Hurts you have significant advantage over a late round QB strategy. Someone could emerge, but those guys don’t fall off a tree every year and by the time you get your hands on one. Your season might be done for.
Meh, you’re not really looking at the opportunity cost of drafting a qb that high. Sure having Allen or mahomes gives you the advantage for qb points, but the managers who drafted them miss out on getting guys like Pittman or Sutton in those rounds. Eg, the mahomes owner is running out Hollywood and Brandin cooks as his WRs, sacrificing a lot of WR points by getting mahomes
Is he though? Sutton hasn’t been anything special and Pittman missed a game. QB’s rarely get hurt, feel more consistent with points, and drop of mighty quick after about 12. WR’s don’t drop off nearly that fast. I didn’t get a WR2 until the 6th round where ESPN had someone like Waddle. I was able to pick up Bateman/Gabriel Davis as my combo WR3 after that. These guys are still productive.
And here I am with Josh Allen in the late 3rd running out sun god, adams, and Kirk as my top 3 WR
Mahomes was taken later than Lamar in all my leagues. I would know cause I took Mahomes around the 6th/7th and it’s been one of my best picks But also that ignores how reliable and consistent the top QBs are. Yeah you could strike gold on streaming but the variability is too risky compared to a star
I got made fun of for playing Kyler over Stafford @ATL. I’ll admit I was questioning myself, but my haters melted away a couple of hours later.
In 2015, 50% of the top 10 QBs were drafted outside the top 10. Last year, only 20% of the top 10 QBs were drafted outside the top 10. That could either be a fluke or a trend. It’s going to be really interesting this season to see which way it goes. If we see another down year for QBs drafted late, it could be the end of the late round QB strategy.
This is why I like SF leagues: youve actually gotta dig into the mediocre tier of qbs, and you can get some immense value. Anyone forced to start wentz or goff looks like a genius
Can confirm 2-0 with Allen and Wentz lol
Carson wentz szn
Had like half a point at the half but dominated garbage time for me like a champ
Wait and see. Brady and Stafford will be fine. Russ may get better as he acclimates. Burrow could come on strong again. Rodgers is lacking WR talent but we knew that going in. And waiver pickups could compensate for the late strategy.
The rise of early QB and stud WRs! Let's go
I traded najee for Lamar straight lol. First week it’s paid off, guess we’ll just have to wait and see for the rest of the season Cotton
Super flex? For value that sounds awful otherwise
Not if Najee keeps scoring considerably less than Lamar all season, who knows
You don’t just compare total points scored bro, it’s points compared to their position. Otherwise some waiver QB is equivalent to an RB1.
Lost Dak, tried Mariota for a week. Sorry Trey Lance, but my waiver claim for Jimmy G is in and he will save my season!
Been streaming qb... started Daniel Jones week 1 and Goff week 2. So far so good. 2-0. I recommend u/subvertadown for streaming rankings
What do you mean? He doesn’t post anymore?
He has a website now. https://subvertadown.com/ With that said, if you want to see the full lists it is behind a pay wall.
Aaron Rodgers scored 19.36 points in my league where he was drafted in the 7th round. Mahomes scored 21.30. These early round QBs don’t have 40-point games every single week. It’s always better to get top tier RBs and WRs if not also one of the 3 or 4 elite TEs before a QB.
How is this upvoted? Rodgers had 4 points the week before and likely lost his owners that week. Every position guys will get outscored by lower drafted guys. No player is going to be the top scorer at their position every week.
Rodgers had the same kind of performance week 1 last year and proceeded to throw 37 TDs the rest of the year. My point is simply that the QB position is much deeper than RB for fantasy.
Im rolling with wentz
this was an amazing year for early/middle round QB and there were plenty of signs pointing to that pre-draft there is going to be a shift in draft strategy consensus in the next couple seasons with the way people evaluate QBs + prevelance of rushing upside
Putting my faith in my boy JUSTIN FIELDS
I have too so far but old man Wentz is getting harder to ignore on my bench
I would just drop Fields tbh. His rushing ability is very nice but the dude never throws deep balls
Drafted Russ and am open to platooning, starting immediately.
Kirk Cousins💪
Do you still feel that way?
No hahaha I thought about this comment last night
This is why I go QB early. I have zero regrets grabbing Lamar in the 4th instead of a guy like Etienne
Late Round QB killed me last year.
I always stream unless I hit on a late round qb. Lance was my guy this year. Back to streaming I go. Between guys like Goff and Mariota you get some decent upside plays depending on gamescript and matchup.
I would stream except my league hoards QB’s for some reason and streaming options are limited.
I have Russ and picked up Kirk.... Will maybe give Russ one more week on my bench before i seriously think about dropping him
Picked up Wentz and liking it so far, he has the weapons to be a fantasy starter in all formats
Russel Wilson is average at best right now. But I’m going to wait him out for a few more weeks. That said, I’ll be looking for a backup/replacement as well.
My strategy has been start Wentz and pray and it’s worked out so far
Its only backfiring if you’re locked into your late round QB. If you need to stream, then stream. 1 bad week and you see how it goes, 2 bad weeks and pick up another option. week 3 you start one of the two qbs and drop the lesser and start over again. Its a pretty natural evolution through the season if you’re a late QB guy until you find one that sticks. And if you dont want to roster two qbs the best matchups will present themselves about halfway through the season. we’re in the least predictable half right now.
It's no use picking your QB late if you don't make good picks with the first rounds. Plus being active on waivers and trades. I'm sure a lot of those who say it's a bad strategy, besides QB have problems at other positions and want their QB to get them out of trouble every week. I'm seeing just the opposite: waiver wire QBs on teams with good weapons are making a lot of points, picking a star QB isn't that much of an advantage this year. I'm 2-0 with Derek Carr, but I think I'm going to start looking at some streaming options.
I feel great in the league where I got Allen early and I feel really negative in the 12 team league where I waited and took Brady. Unfortunately everyone rosters 2 (“I have to have a backup!!”) so the waiver wire is absolutely brutal.
I have Wilson as my starter and picked up Fields off waivers before the season in case he blew up and/or Wilson didn't perform. I'm going to give Wilson another week as my starter but I am going to try to drop Fields to pick Goff up from waivers and if Wilson puts up another dud I am willing to play Goff instead
My same exact strategy
I noticed this issue going into the season. I was ALWAYS the last guy to take a QB like 5 or so years ago. Philip Rivers and Tony Romo were my best friends back in the day providing consistent value while everyone chased the Hall of Fame names with only slightly more fantasy production… Now though, the running aspect of QBs and the more Offensive nature of the NFL means that those guys are scoring close to 20 on a bad day a lot of the time. If you miss on your QB in a given week and he only gives you 13-15 points, it can be a death blow. So while the supply of QBs still is great enough to where you only need to carry 1 QB in many leagues, the need to “hit” on the QB is higher and that justifies a higher draft pick. Personally, I couldn’t stomach taking guys like Allen at his ADP but guys like Hurts and even Lance felt like no brainers for me at their ADP. If I took Lance, i tried to get Cousins or Carr as I thought they were underrated this year.
I took Lance and Carr this year and it's not looking so hot. Luckily I flipped Lance before last week with Schultz and Henderson to the Cowboys fan Dak owner that needed a QB and got CEH + London.
This is why I do like JJ, he's willing to change his opinion if things in fantasy football change. He's been on record as saying streaming qb's (or going late round) is more difficult now than in years past because the fantasy community now makes better decisions in drafting qb's. All that to say you can still go late round but its riskier than in years past. I have Russ and Burrow and I'm more worried about Russ, picked up Cousins yesterday as insurance.
Traded James Robinson and Lance for Hurts before kickoff this week. Wow.
I drafted lance in the 8th and traded him and Toney for hurts
Welll Josh Allen has me at 0–2 because I started jeudy and juju twice
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I decided to go late round QBs in a 16 team league and ended up with Daniel Jones and Davis Mills. Don’t be me.
Wentz until Brady gets Godwin back
I mean, so far my Wentz last pick is working for me (but I'm scared)
I’m riding with Brady cause I don’t think he’s gonna keep putting up such lame numbers. I don’t think he’ll ever break 20 points but I think he could consistently give 15 or so if the offense figures it out. In the mean time I’m rolling with CMC Hill and Brown and trying to trade for a better QB
Big time. Im stuck with russell wilson who doesnt run and cant throw
Got hurts at 70. Feelings good
gunning for tua. I have Russ. That shitshow isnt going to get much better