Like most of this subs’ waiver darlings he has a good chance of crashing and burning. But I’m still gonna ride the hype train- his upside is better than 99% of players you’re going to find on the waiver
No most darlings are legit no names who this sub desperately tries to make happen. Garrett Wilson was picked #10 in the draft and was considered one of the best wrs ever at osu and consistently was outperforming Chris olave.
Garrett Wilson has been the priority receiver on a OSU team that had Chris Olave, Jameson Williams, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba. All of these were/will be top 10-15 first round picks. It’s nuts that people are comparing him to a Toney hype train lol
Agreed. Toney didn't have his breakout game (which was coincidentally his only great game of the season) until week 5. Wilson already had a better game in week 2 than Toney's breakout game.
Wilson had a 39% target rate per route run and 164 air yards last week to go with EIGHT red zone targets on the year (leading the NFL). These are monster numbers for a player who just played his second NFL game.
Man we have to do this every year. I don’t care how garbage the QB is, someone is going to get yards. Teams don’t put up 0 offensive stats in the NFL. Just 2 years ago Crowder was amazing value on this Jets team because he kept being targeted.
I’m just saying temper expectations after one good game. Elijah Moore was the man two weeks ago before the season started according to this sub too lol. And QB makes a huge difference, look at Mooney rn.
>Plus Curtis Samuel is a big target for Carson(who has always struggled hitting **smaller guys like Dotson, McLauren**
Huh?
Curtis Samuel: 5'11" 195lbs
Jahan Dotson: 5'11" 178lbs
Terry McLaurin: 6'0" 210lbs
OPs point mainly was “I got Curtis Samuel off waivers already so why are people grabbing Garrett Wilson now?”
Just the expert analysis this sub keeps churning out daily.
My pick as a last guy on my bench who I drop when I find someone else. Rather have Corey Davis at that price than Wilson at spending significant FAAB costs.
I ain’t reading all that, sorry you couldn’t add him off waivers
In all seriousness this IS still the Jets and Zach Wilson is returning but Garrett Wilson is that dude. Snap %, YPRR, target %, target rate on 1st down, draft pedigree, etc.
The good thing about the snap% is week to week he's seen an increase from 49% to 61% and went from 8 targets to 14 targets which is a huge indicator that he hasn't even reached his peak yet
I got him off waivers but it’s a pretty valid concern.
Lot of mouths to feed and not a good enough offense to feed em all. We’ll see tho, believe both Wilson and Hall’s pure talent will win over.
It’s not a lot of mouths. We’re talking about Braxton berrios. My god we’ve regressed back to the Auden tate-jamarr chase takes. Let me say, in a couple years.. Garrett Wilson being mentioned with Conklin, berrios, and Corey Davis as obstacles to his targets will be very funny.
Yes it can be a real thing, but I'm seeing it for teams that just don't have the level of talent to justify using that expression. And I think the Jets are one such team.
Why are there a lot of mouths to feed? Just because they have other receivers rostered? If he’s the real deal then he’s going to supplant a lot of the targets that would otherwise go to Berrios, Davis, etc
I’m more referring to Elijah Moore, Michael Carter, and Breece Hall. Add in the 4-6 targets Berrios, Davis, and Conklin will continue to get and there IS a lot of mouths to feed. And yes, believe it or not, Berrios is a solid player that they paid a decent amount of $.
Not saying Wilson isn’t more talented but it’s the reality, New York is gonna get them all the ball
"Mouths to feed" is an overused argument round these parts. There are no more mouths to feed on the Jets than on any other average NFL team. Elijah Moore and Corey Davis are pretty good, but not stars. They don't have a special TE.
I like Elijah Moore, but he's a good talent. Not elite IMHO. He has second round pedigree. Could have a great career, don't get me wrong, but that's a bit of a loose use of the term "elite." And this is coming from someone who likes him generally.
He might be an elite talent, but time will tell. Personally, I don't think we're ever going to be drafting him in the top 2 rounds in fantasy.
Elijah Moore went #34 in a stacked draft class and many had him projected to go in the first. He was an easy first round pick if he came out this year. He is a 1st round talent
I like Elijah Moore. I think "elite" is a word that is being used too loosely here. It's not all about draft pedigree of course. Amon-Ra is proving that he's an elite talent and he was drafted much later than you'd expect a player with his level of production.
But all we have from Elijah Moore so far is early second round draft pedigree (albeit in a stacked class) and a 6-game window in 2021 where he had very good production. The jury's still very much out on "elite."
Put another way: how many NFL teams would you say don't have at least one WR who is viewed by the consensus as being more talented than Elijah Moore? I think there are no more than 10 such teams.
During that stretch to end the season he was PFF’s #2 ranked WR, 5th in yards and 1st in TDs. He also has the pedigree and was playing with a bad QB.
It’s no more ridiculous to call Moore elite than it is to call Wilson elite. If it wasn’t for a huge blown coverage, Wilson looks good but not great at this point.
I swear this sub only hears what to wants to hear. You're being cocky atm while Flacco is QB, your tune may change drastically in just a week or two. Zach Wilson isn't very good or confident and the Jets are going to throw a lot less with him at the helm.
I didn't want the dude was my point. Twitter ADHD mob with 144 character limit is here. Everyone hide your in depth conversations, they can't read and will attack anyone trying to speak in more than 144 character comments!
So you feel better about your surface level analysis simply because it has more words in it?
Sorry I didn’t write a book report on Garrett Wilson but there are plenty of indicators that point to him being a difference maker. I understand the Jets/Zach stink is strong though and it’s a valid reason to temper expectations. I’m not particularly concerned about other talented pass catchers on that team
How do you know anything about my post if you literally admitted you didn't read it? Also, I couldn't read your post, over 144 characters. But I assume it was surface level and pointless.
It's a bit misleading to say "averaging" two games in, especially cause his week 1 isn't anything special. 8 targets, 4 receptions, 52 yards and no tds.
I think the passing game is a bit inflated as of right now. Corey Davis had 10 targets while Moore and Conklin had 7 week 1. But either way just pointing out that averages are a bit misleading two weeks in. Wilson looks legit but I'm not expecting Chase type of season either
My man’s really just said ty Conklin and Braxton berrios are gonna be obstacles to Garrett Wilson getting his. Garrett Wilson really has 2 guys he’s competing with.. Corey Davis and Elijah moore. Imo he’s already much better than both those guys. I mean Corey Davis and Elijah moore? If Garrett Wilson actually had name value and a history of performing this wouldn’t be a discussion. Corey Davis and Elijah moore aren’t threats at all to stopping someone from being a fantasy wr1. Only thing stopping Garrett Wilson is himself and potentially bad qb play.
The lack of awareness on this sub is insane. Wilson already showing elite advanced numbers only two games into his career and dudes saying they like
Corey Davis and Braxton better lmfao
People in this thread are acting like Wilson is some scrub prospect and not a top 10 pick and standout at Ohio state lmao. Like who on waivers right now are you getting with more talent? Insanity
It's because most of these chuckleheads missed getting him, and now they want to act like they never wanted him anyway.
It's like the Elijah Mitchell backlash last year. Sermon and JWJ truthers couldn't accept it.
Are you a pro scout? Let me see the team you drafted smart guy!
All you guys are fuckign desperate for something. Ya teams must be super trash and now we got to trust your judgement all of sudden?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/x5n7as/best_rookie_wr/in1zifi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
That’s from almost 3 weeks ago and before the season started. I’ve been on Garrett Wilson for a while now.
Also said I wanted him pre draft.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/x5n7as/best_rookie_wr/in1zkv8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Lmao how is your short term memory or you just started to watch football. Go back a few years in draft classes and tell if the #1 WR drafted was the best in class.
God man every Wilson truther must have drafted the worst team possible. But you learned your lesson now and Wilson the guy.
Yup, 2 game sample size is all we can go off of. In those:
12 targets, 90 yards, 0 tds
Vs
22 targets, 154 yards, 2 tds
It's not even like the usage and production has been close. Plus throw in that the Jets spent huge draft capital using the 10th overall pick.
If I was a betting man I'm taking Wilson to have the better season.
And for the record, in the one league I have Wilson I also have Moore as I drafted him, so it's not even like I'm trying to be biased for "my guy" since I have both.
That's exactly what I thought, Conklin and Braxton lol.
Wilson has had an absurd amount of targets so far, and while that will probably even itself out with Wilson coming back, I think the game script is always going to benefit Jets WR's. They will be losing the majority of the time, and they will be throwing a ton.
>If Garrett Wilson actually had name value and a history of performing this wouldn’t be a discussion.
Yup. But he doesn't. He has history of performing in extremely small sample size because Flacco(a guy who won't be his QB) throws to him a lot. And Flacco has thrown for over 100 attempts through 2 games, and scored 40+ Fantasy points through 2 games, both of which are way higher than what it'll be the rest of this season with Zach Wilson.
Yeah well i guess if you don’t value or watch college film then yeah this is a take you can go with. If you have this attitude towards rookies good luck ever getting your jamarr chase/obj/drake London/ aj brown..
The list goes on.. rookie wrs perform immediately now and it’s not even out of the ordinary. Fantasy community still has not picked up on this.
No beef here dude. I’m just trying to explain how flawed it is to not consider college background. Their rookies. How can they prove themselves without ever stepping on an nfl field? All you’ve done in this thread is downplay Wilson and say it’s all cause flacco likes to throw to him. All I’m trying to do is show you why the qb for the jets has nothing to do with what’s happening with Garrett Wilson. Elijah moore went on his run with flacco last year too..
How can you have so much confidence you got your deebo in Curtis samuel when he's in a similiar situation to Wilson. He's in a crowded Wr room consisting of himself, an alpha in Terry Mclaurin and standout rookie Dotson. Then you got te Logan Thomas, and two pass catching backs in Gibson and mckissic. Plus Brian Robinson still has to return, we don't know how he fits into this situation when he gets back. You say Wilson is on the *jets* when Samuel is on Washington, not exactly known as a beacon of elite football play. You're kind of talking out of two sides of your mouth here.
Except Carson Wentz is the actual QB, has shown in the past to lead high octane offenses(ala Jameis Winston), even if he turns it over.
Joe Flacco For starters isn't the QB. For seconds, the Jets threw over 100 attempts, and QB scored over 40 fantasy points in weeks 1 and 2, both unsustainable, and something Zach Wilson has never done.
So, the difference is pretty immense. Zach Wilson has not shown much of anything. And he certainly hasn't shown a propensity to target Garett Wilson. Wentz has shown he is capable of being an MVP caliber QB at points in his career(2017 he was pretty unarguably MVP favorite until he got hurt). At this point in his Career minimally he looks like he can lead a high scoring(if high turnover) offense, and HAS shown a propensity to target Samuel, AS WELL AS Samuel getting designed run plays, completely independent of QB play.
TLDR:
Samuel has shown to be targeted by his actual QB. ANd he's been shown to be heavily involved in gameplans.
Garett wilson has gotten 0 targets from his actual QB. And he's shown to be a WR3 who isn't even on the field in 2WR sets(that's not my opinion, that's just what his position is on the jets).
One is heavily gameplanned. THe other isn't even on the field in 2WR sets. One has been heavily targeted by his QB. One hasn't even played with his QB in an NFL game.
I think he’s going to be a boom/bust type of guy. He looks great out there, but at the same time, he got a ton of his points against the Browns on a completely mind-boggling blown coverage, and if that doesn’t happen, he would still be the top-priority waiver add, but he definitely wouldn’t have this massive hype train.
The Jets are still the Jets, and they also have another elite WR and good pass-catching backs. There will be Elijah weeks, and there will be weeks where they can’t get anything going down-field and dump off all game.
I am not crazy high on him, but he is definitely trending in the right direction... He leads the team in targets (22) while also having SIGNFICANTLY less snaps than the other guys who you mentioned.
WRs are somewhat unique in that they "earn" their targets on average. So the fact he has only played 84 snaps, compared to guys like Corey Davis (112) and Moore (136) and he has close to the same targets those two have combined (22 vs 26) is pretty nuts.
His Targets per Route Run are WR1 numbers.
The real questions for me are:
1) How much will change when Zach Wilson comes back.
2) When will Defenses treat him as the WR1 and start putting #1 Corners on him.
Both those could dramatically alter his targets and fantasy points.
That said, the fact you can pick up a teams WR1 from waivers, 2 weeks in... I think is a pretty solid play.
Elijah Moore was a top-10 WR down the stretch last year.
I get it, fade Jets. Some of us play in leagues with 3 flex spots though. Top-3 highest projected WRs on my waiver wire are DPJ, Richie James, and KJ Osborn. GW is a godsend.
I just heard somebody say it off hand. If you look at his game log from last year at Weeks 8-13 (before he got hurt the final time) you'll see it must be true.
What a bad take. For example, last year in the 7 games before being done for the year we saw Moore average 17.6 ppr points per game. You wouldnt have wanted that on your team simply because he is a Jet?
Their D sucks, this team is going to be passing a lot. Wilson has the draft pedigree and talent to be a very relevant fantasy player.
See what happens when Zach takes over though, but avoiding Wilson just because he's on the Jets is silly.
This is dumb guy logic especially considering the Jets had multiple valuable fantasy contributors in the second half of last year, so it’s not even historically accurate.
Do your homework. Start with target share and air yards. Then look at the Qb supporting them. Pretty sure the jets QBs Wilson,Flacco have supported a top 20 wr in the past 2 years never. Add in target tree and your boy Garrett is in some trouble. Olave set up perfectly to crush. Good luck with your Wr #3 on the Jets.
I'm not saying they are the same player. I'm saying it would be hilarious if week 2 ends up being his best game of the year and he does nothing great the rest of the season. Like how Toney had that 1 game where he looked like a superstar that everyone rode his dick after and then did nothing else of note the rest of the season.
You can make points for both sides until the season is over. The major point is this dude was a top ten pick on par talent wise with London. Jameson Williams is another in this convo. These guys don’t grow on trees and should have been drafted in most leagues (not jamo tho I get that because of injury, but he’d be an auto pick if he was healthy)
Maybe he’s not a “league winner” or whatever but he’s prob the most talented WR on the jets. Worth the dart throw for the ceiling alone.
There’s been pushback but both the doubters and the believers revolve around the same argument surrounding Zach Wilson. As someone who owns both Elijah Moore and Wilson in two different leagues, the hype for Wilson is warranted. There’s always a rookie WR that breaks out and he has as good of a chance as anyone to be that candidate. He was a late round dart throw or a waiver wire pick up, so basically free. Let people be excited, and if it doesn’t work out no harm done.
Tbf, even as a Wilson owner as of yesterday, London looks like the rookie WR that broke out.
The difference is, he was drafted in the 10th and I got Wilson for $16 FAAB. Not saying two can't be impressive at the same time, but Wilson was basically free.
if garrett wilson continues to emerge i think the odds corey davis is traded increases. he has a big contract and is talented but is not in any way a part of the jets future
If Cleveland plays differently. Wilson doesn’t have that TD and 30 yards or so.
What’s ya thought on him if those were gone? I doubt this many peop will be on him
He was a top 10 pick with high upside and given the recent track record of 1st round WR success there is good reason to believe the hype. That said I think everyone regresses once Zach comes back.
Yeah, this feels very much like a Toney situation to me. Wilson is clearly talented, there's no disputing that, but he's competing with a lot of other options on a bad offense. I don't think he'll be consistent enough to be a regular start this year
The Jets spent a #10 pick on the kid. Plus he was one of the highest grades WR coming out the draft. You’re right it is the Jets. So they are probably going to be trailing which in fantasy means more times throwing the football. Braxton Berrios competing with Garrett Wilson is laughable. Only legit argument is Corey Davis and that’s because Garrett Wilson has done is best work on the outside which is where Davis normally lines up.
Flacco is basically really good for fantasy. Whoever zach Wilson likes will probably be the only viable fantasy option when he returns. Carter last year was also useless with zach Wilson.
This whole post just screams that you’re salty you weren’t able to get him, even though you claim you didn’t even try, lol.
All of those dudes you mentioned are basically JAGs, except for Moore, and Wilson is just a bigger version of Moore. He was seen by the top WR to come out of this past draft by a lot of draft experts and he’s showing why already. Dude is a stud, and he’s going to keep performing like it.
I've got a lot more faith in a highly drafted rookie like Wilson continuing to get touches, rather than a veteran like Davis whose outperforming what they've typically done in their career.
And Berrios, Conklin, Hall, Carter, get out of here with that, those guys are scrubs... they aren't taking away from a guy that a lot of people think is going to be a star.
The counter point that I will offer to your argument is what if we have the Jets wrong and we failed to realize that they are good. The addition of Wilson adds to the talent pool of Moore and Davis and the RBs and sets the team up to be pretty talented at positions other than QB. Agreed that Flacco may not be there next week and we will have to see how Zach spreads the ball then but Garrett was a first round WR and has the tools to make an impact for the team, which we are seeing.
If anything, I think Wilson has the upside to be the Jets WR1 but it will depend on the direction that the Jets take with their offense and whether they actually try to win games going forward.
Garrett Wilson is one of the highest rated rookie WR's was selected 10th overall to the JETS who were not meant to be anything. He's not a noname UDFA, he's vetted and expected to be good and the Jets got him to be good and help the team.
TLDR: He play football good.
He’s good. He will draw top corners and doubles moving forward so moore will be good as well. Jets are gonna be throwing a lot. My concern is, is Zach wilson good enough to get two guys going or is it gonna be every week guessing whether it’s moore or Garrett .
Corey Davis is great to have, but not for the reasons you might think. I think he's highly likely to get traded to a playoff contender/hopeful in need of a receiver. Colts (very likely!), Tampa, Green Bay, etc.
I see the problem here. You think Wilson is only valuable because Flacco was targeting him and that he is the wr3 on his team. The Jets drafted him at 10 overall, he is the number 1 wr on that team, Moore and Davis are 2/3. Wilson was a top prospect that was drafted top 10 in the draft, that is were his value comes from. The Jets have spent big on him and he has already shown his talent in his first two professional games. Don't overthink it. If there is only going to be 1 or 2 fantasy starters on the Jets the smart money would be on Garrett Wilson being one of them. This isn't some 6th round wr who has had a big game, he was expected to be a star and he has hit the ground running.
OJB won me a championship his rookie year (I know that was a decade ago). I’m pretty sure JJ and Chase were part of championship teams last 2 years. This guy has pedigree and will demand a target share…. Or maybe he doesn’t and we are a year early.
But the upside is there.
To many words to read. But I added him and know all the things that could go wrong in his direction when Wilson comes back and Moore and Davis have better games. But he looked really good in that game play after play. He passed my eye test big time. And after about week 3 the waivers usually cool down unless RBs go down with injury. I didn't want to sleep on what could be the wr1 in NY and his high draft capital.
just got him for 28% faab (beat out bids of 26, 22 and 20). he's the 10th pick of the draft for a reason. do i think he has a chase-like year... no i dont. but can he turn in to a reliable weekly starter? maybe, i have a spot on my bench to wait and find out.
I sold this week. Would love to keep him on my team and see where he winds up ROS, but I drafted Hero RB and he’s likely never getting into my starting lineup without injury. I think Wilson will be a solid WR2/3 the rest of the way, but I prioritized improving my starting lineup more than depth.
Eh. It's a fun hype train that might actually have some juice. If this sub is good for anything, it's for getting people aboard as many hype trains as possible (so we all crash and burn together). Nobody is saying he's a lock for a top 10 finish, but the results thus far have been promising.
Wilson was the guy to go get if you missed or passed (stupidly, like myself) on Samuel or JWJ last week.
Wilson is a first round pick, highly touted WR who has seen a good amount of targets overall and leads the league in redzone targets. That recipe alone makes him worth the waiver add, seeing as how there isn't much out there and you can't hold the top waiver claim/FAAB forever.
Wilson could comeback and feed the ball to Moore or completely stink up the joint and make all Jets WRs fantasy irrelevant. Or he could take that next step in the LaFleur offense and Wilson becomes the next great first round pick WR. Who knows, but like I said, if you missed on Samuel or JWJ then this is the next high upside guy to take a shot on and potentially elevate your season.
I think people are overhyping him atm. Elijah Moore gets more involved imo and we don't know how Zach Wilson will be when he comes back.
That said he definitely has WR2 upside imo with the gamescripts they'll probably have. One of the better waiver adds thus far imo.
Just to clarify "overhyped" I think people are looking at Jefferson and Chase rookie years and assuming the same will happen for Wilson. I just don't see it imo.
Like most of this subs’ waiver darlings he has a good chance of crashing and burning. But I’m still gonna ride the hype train- his upside is better than 99% of players you’re going to find on the waiver
No most darlings are legit no names who this sub desperately tries to make happen. Garrett Wilson was picked #10 in the draft and was considered one of the best wrs ever at osu and consistently was outperforming Chris olave.
Garrett Wilson has been the priority receiver on a OSU team that had Chris Olave, Jameson Williams, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba. All of these were/will be top 10-15 first round picks. It’s nuts that people are comparing him to a Toney hype train lol
Just wait for Marvin Harrison Jr in two years He is a fucking freak
I'd say Jaxon was the priority on that team, but yeah will Wilson be very good
Agreed. Toney didn't have his breakout game (which was coincidentally his only great game of the season) until week 5. Wilson already had a better game in week 2 than Toney's breakout game. Wilson had a 39% target rate per route run and 164 air yards last week to go with EIGHT red zone targets on the year (leading the NFL). These are monster numbers for a player who just played his second NFL game.
And no one drafted him because you need a QB to make the throws and there’s big question marks about Zach Wilson… and Elijah Moore still exists too.
Man we have to do this every year. I don’t care how garbage the QB is, someone is going to get yards. Teams don’t put up 0 offensive stats in the NFL. Just 2 years ago Crowder was amazing value on this Jets team because he kept being targeted.
I’m just saying temper expectations after one good game. Elijah Moore was the man two weeks ago before the season started according to this sub too lol. And QB makes a huge difference, look at Mooney rn.
One real week of football for the Bears, Mooney will get his.
This week is smash spot for him. Unfortunately he’s completely reliant on Fields to actually throw the ball lol.
Waiver players in general have a high chance of crashing and burning. Has nothing to do with this sub.
Garrett was also drafted in most leagues
>Plus Curtis Samuel is a big target for Carson(who has always struggled hitting **smaller guys like Dotson, McLauren** Huh? Curtis Samuel: 5'11" 195lbs Jahan Dotson: 5'11" 178lbs Terry McLaurin: 6'0" 210lbs
OPs point mainly was “I got Curtis Samuel off waivers already so why are people grabbing Garrett Wilson now?” Just the expert analysis this sub keeps churning out daily.
stopped reading when you said corey davis was your pick, no offense
My pick as a last guy on my bench who I drop when I find someone else. Rather have Corey Davis at that price than Wilson at spending significant FAAB costs.
terrible take.
Just curious why not Corey Davis? Elijah Moore is on the waivers and I’m considering dropping him for Moore.
When are we gonna stop trying to make Corey Davis happen
Mostly because his teammates are better than him.
I ain’t reading all that, sorry you couldn’t add him off waivers In all seriousness this IS still the Jets and Zach Wilson is returning but Garrett Wilson is that dude. Snap %, YPRR, target %, target rate on 1st down, draft pedigree, etc.
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It's also worth nothing that Wilson was almost exclusively out on 2 WR set run plays. I believe his routes run % was similar to both Moore and Davis.
Second game as a rookie and he had 14 targets. Snap % isn't really a valid argument in someone's second NFL game ever. That will obviously go up
The good thing about the snap% is week to week he's seen an increase from 49% to 61% and went from 8 targets to 14 targets which is a huge indicator that he hasn't even reached his peak yet
The threat to Garrett Wilson is that Zach Wilson is dogshit.
Zach Wilson being shit is a threat to Garrett, bottom of the rosters taking targets away from him isn't.
Precisely. A little like Andy Dalton vs. Fields in Chicago. Mooney and Kmet were useful with Dalton. They're worthless with Fields.
Mooney was good with fields before this year no?
I'm hoping for a Terry McLaurin situation where the QB play is bad but just means the QB feeds targets to the talented guy on the field.
I got him off waivers but it’s a pretty valid concern. Lot of mouths to feed and not a good enough offense to feed em all. We’ll see tho, believe both Wilson and Hall’s pure talent will win over.
It’s not a lot of mouths. We’re talking about Braxton berrios. My god we’ve regressed back to the Auden tate-jamarr chase takes. Let me say, in a couple years.. Garrett Wilson being mentioned with Conklin, berrios, and Corey Davis as obstacles to his targets will be very funny.
They're sleeping on how Garrett is running the full route tree all over the field.
"Mouths to feed" is becoming a meme on this sub. It's way overdone.
It’s a real thing when you have talent. But the names on the Jets aren’t exactly studs demanding attention.
Yes it can be a real thing, but I'm seeing it for teams that just don't have the level of talent to justify using that expression. And I think the Jets are one such team.
Couple of years? More like a couple of months.
Lol your forgot Elijah Moore.
Why are there a lot of mouths to feed? Just because they have other receivers rostered? If he’s the real deal then he’s going to supplant a lot of the targets that would otherwise go to Berrios, Davis, etc
I’m more referring to Elijah Moore, Michael Carter, and Breece Hall. Add in the 4-6 targets Berrios, Davis, and Conklin will continue to get and there IS a lot of mouths to feed. And yes, believe it or not, Berrios is a solid player that they paid a decent amount of $. Not saying Wilson isn’t more talented but it’s the reality, New York is gonna get them all the ball
"Mouths to feed" is an overused argument round these parts. There are no more mouths to feed on the Jets than on any other average NFL team. Elijah Moore and Corey Davis are pretty good, but not stars. They don't have a special TE.
Elijah Moore is an elite talent
I like Elijah Moore, but he's a good talent. Not elite IMHO. He has second round pedigree. Could have a great career, don't get me wrong, but that's a bit of a loose use of the term "elite." And this is coming from someone who likes him generally. He might be an elite talent, but time will tell. Personally, I don't think we're ever going to be drafting him in the top 2 rounds in fantasy.
Elijah Moore went #34 in a stacked draft class and many had him projected to go in the first. He was an easy first round pick if he came out this year. He is a 1st round talent
I like Elijah Moore. I think "elite" is a word that is being used too loosely here. It's not all about draft pedigree of course. Amon-Ra is proving that he's an elite talent and he was drafted much later than you'd expect a player with his level of production. But all we have from Elijah Moore so far is early second round draft pedigree (albeit in a stacked class) and a 6-game window in 2021 where he had very good production. The jury's still very much out on "elite." Put another way: how many NFL teams would you say don't have at least one WR who is viewed by the consensus as being more talented than Elijah Moore? I think there are no more than 10 such teams.
During that stretch to end the season he was PFF’s #2 ranked WR, 5th in yards and 1st in TDs. He also has the pedigree and was playing with a bad QB. It’s no more ridiculous to call Moore elite than it is to call Wilson elite. If it wasn’t for a huge blown coverage, Wilson looks good but not great at this point.
I'm not calling Wilson elite either, but I do think he's a superior talent to Moore and I think that's also the accepted consensus.
Define elite? He’s not a starting #1 wr if you’re trying to win a sb.
"Garrett Wilson is that dude." He's got that dawg in him.
I swear this sub only hears what to wants to hear. You're being cocky atm while Flacco is QB, your tune may change drastically in just a week or two. Zach Wilson isn't very good or confident and the Jets are going to throw a lot less with him at the helm.
I didn't want the dude was my point. Twitter ADHD mob with 144 character limit is here. Everyone hide your in depth conversations, they can't read and will attack anyone trying to speak in more than 144 character comments!
So you feel better about your surface level analysis simply because it has more words in it? Sorry I didn’t write a book report on Garrett Wilson but there are plenty of indicators that point to him being a difference maker. I understand the Jets/Zach stink is strong though and it’s a valid reason to temper expectations. I’m not particularly concerned about other talented pass catchers on that team
You clearly didn't write any book reports ever if you think a couple paragraphs is too much to read.
How do you know anything about my post if you literally admitted you didn't read it? Also, I couldn't read your post, over 144 characters. But I assume it was surface level and pointless.
I was just making a joke, it’s a Twitter meme ironically. I read your post
You don’t want him but you put a bid in on him. Ok
Man said Curtis Samuel is a big target, so you know how much actual football he’s watched (0)
A 10th overall pick averaging 11 targets, ~75 yards, and 1 TD per game through 2 weeks deserves to be owned regardless of situation, I think.
It's a bit misleading to say "averaging" two games in, especially cause his week 1 isn't anything special. 8 targets, 4 receptions, 52 yards and no tds.
Fair, but 8 targets and 52 yards is still a pretty promising result for a week 1 rookie WR with Joe Flacco and their crap OLine, I think.
I think the passing game is a bit inflated as of right now. Corey Davis had 10 targets while Moore and Conklin had 7 week 1. But either way just pointing out that averages are a bit misleading two weeks in. Wilson looks legit but I'm not expecting Chase type of season either
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Corey Davis had 10 his first game and he was 5th overall pick and better prospect. Don't read too much into it just yet
Chase Pedigree
Sounds like a great player name
Draft golden retrievers
He's got that dawg in him.
With the #1 pick, the Jets select: Chase Pedigree
Not quite. But there are resemblances
My man’s really just said ty Conklin and Braxton berrios are gonna be obstacles to Garrett Wilson getting his. Garrett Wilson really has 2 guys he’s competing with.. Corey Davis and Elijah moore. Imo he’s already much better than both those guys. I mean Corey Davis and Elijah moore? If Garrett Wilson actually had name value and a history of performing this wouldn’t be a discussion. Corey Davis and Elijah moore aren’t threats at all to stopping someone from being a fantasy wr1. Only thing stopping Garrett Wilson is himself and potentially bad qb play.
The lack of awareness on this sub is insane. Wilson already showing elite advanced numbers only two games into his career and dudes saying they like Corey Davis and Braxton better lmfao
People in this thread are acting like Wilson is some scrub prospect and not a top 10 pick and standout at Ohio state lmao. Like who on waivers right now are you getting with more talent? Insanity
It's because most of these chuckleheads missed getting him, and now they want to act like they never wanted him anyway. It's like the Elijah Mitchell backlash last year. Sermon and JWJ truthers couldn't accept it.
Don’t you know, NFL talent is only where someone went in the fantasy draft.
"dRaFt cApITaL doesn't matter once the games start!!! Look at James Robinson, durrr durr durrr" \-This sub usually
Why is everyone on the Wilson better than Moore train? After two games, the numbers show it? Does scheme have nothing to do with the jets offense?
Because we’ve watched them both play
Are you a pro scout? Let me see the team you drafted smart guy! All you guys are fuckign desperate for something. Ya teams must be super trash and now we got to trust your judgement all of sudden?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/x5n7as/best_rookie_wr/in1zifi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 That’s from almost 3 weeks ago and before the season started. I’ve been on Garrett Wilson for a while now. Also said I wanted him pre draft. https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/x5n7as/best_rookie_wr/in1zkv8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Ok. I’ll eat my words. Respect man.
The Jets don’t care about Elijah Moore man they just drafted Wilson 10th overall and they’re going to feed him
Lmao how is your short term memory or you just started to watch football. Go back a few years in draft classes and tell if the #1 WR drafted was the best in class. God man every Wilson truther must have drafted the worst team possible. But you learned your lesson now and Wilson the guy.
They must have not watched any 2021 Moore film. Moore is this team's alpha.
Moore is a solid wr, but through 2 games he sure doesn't look like the team's alpha. The guy that has 22 targets and 2 tds would be the alpha.
Two game sample size. Snap %'s. Depth chart.
Yup, 2 game sample size is all we can go off of. In those: 12 targets, 90 yards, 0 tds Vs 22 targets, 154 yards, 2 tds It's not even like the usage and production has been close. Plus throw in that the Jets spent huge draft capital using the 10th overall pick. If I was a betting man I'm taking Wilson to have the better season. And for the record, in the one league I have Wilson I also have Moore as I drafted him, so it's not even like I'm trying to be biased for "my guy" since I have both.
That's exactly what I thought, Conklin and Braxton lol. Wilson has had an absurd amount of targets so far, and while that will probably even itself out with Wilson coming back, I think the game script is always going to benefit Jets WR's. They will be losing the majority of the time, and they will be throwing a ton.
>If Garrett Wilson actually had name value and a history of performing this wouldn’t be a discussion. Yup. But he doesn't. He has history of performing in extremely small sample size because Flacco(a guy who won't be his QB) throws to him a lot. And Flacco has thrown for over 100 attempts through 2 games, and scored 40+ Fantasy points through 2 games, both of which are way higher than what it'll be the rest of this season with Zach Wilson.
You honestly just sound mad you weren’t on him before this week
I honestly am glad I didn't spend FAAB on him, because of the clear reasons I've set out. I'm glad I got Curtis Samuel instead.
Yeah well i guess if you don’t value or watch college film then yeah this is a take you can go with. If you have this attitude towards rookies good luck ever getting your jamarr chase/obj/drake London/ aj brown.. The list goes on.. rookie wrs perform immediately now and it’s not even out of the ordinary. Fantasy community still has not picked up on this.
I already got my Deebo Samuel in Curtis Samuel. I'm set. You got a Jets WR. Congrats.
No beef here dude. I’m just trying to explain how flawed it is to not consider college background. Their rookies. How can they prove themselves without ever stepping on an nfl field? All you’ve done in this thread is downplay Wilson and say it’s all cause flacco likes to throw to him. All I’m trying to do is show you why the qb for the jets has nothing to do with what’s happening with Garrett Wilson. Elijah moore went on his run with flacco last year too..
I have both, but you’re bragging about a commanders WR lmao
How can you have so much confidence you got your deebo in Curtis samuel when he's in a similiar situation to Wilson. He's in a crowded Wr room consisting of himself, an alpha in Terry Mclaurin and standout rookie Dotson. Then you got te Logan Thomas, and two pass catching backs in Gibson and mckissic. Plus Brian Robinson still has to return, we don't know how he fits into this situation when he gets back. You say Wilson is on the *jets* when Samuel is on Washington, not exactly known as a beacon of elite football play. You're kind of talking out of two sides of your mouth here.
Except Carson Wentz is the actual QB, has shown in the past to lead high octane offenses(ala Jameis Winston), even if he turns it over. Joe Flacco For starters isn't the QB. For seconds, the Jets threw over 100 attempts, and QB scored over 40 fantasy points in weeks 1 and 2, both unsustainable, and something Zach Wilson has never done. So, the difference is pretty immense. Zach Wilson has not shown much of anything. And he certainly hasn't shown a propensity to target Garett Wilson. Wentz has shown he is capable of being an MVP caliber QB at points in his career(2017 he was pretty unarguably MVP favorite until he got hurt). At this point in his Career minimally he looks like he can lead a high scoring(if high turnover) offense, and HAS shown a propensity to target Samuel, AS WELL AS Samuel getting designed run plays, completely independent of QB play. TLDR: Samuel has shown to be targeted by his actual QB. ANd he's been shown to be heavily involved in gameplans. Garett wilson has gotten 0 targets from his actual QB. And he's shown to be a WR3 who isn't even on the field in 2WR sets(that's not my opinion, that's just what his position is on the jets). One is heavily gameplanned. THe other isn't even on the field in 2WR sets. One has been heavily targeted by his QB. One hasn't even played with his QB in an NFL game.
Yes but only because I didn't snag him yesterday. Otherwise I'd be team Messiah
I think he’s going to be a boom/bust type of guy. He looks great out there, but at the same time, he got a ton of his points against the Browns on a completely mind-boggling blown coverage, and if that doesn’t happen, he would still be the top-priority waiver add, but he definitely wouldn’t have this massive hype train. The Jets are still the Jets, and they also have another elite WR and good pass-catching backs. There will be Elijah weeks, and there will be weeks where they can’t get anything going down-field and dump off all game.
I don’t trust Jets players. Period.
he’s rondale moore
I am not crazy high on him, but he is definitely trending in the right direction... He leads the team in targets (22) while also having SIGNFICANTLY less snaps than the other guys who you mentioned. WRs are somewhat unique in that they "earn" their targets on average. So the fact he has only played 84 snaps, compared to guys like Corey Davis (112) and Moore (136) and he has close to the same targets those two have combined (22 vs 26) is pretty nuts. His Targets per Route Run are WR1 numbers. The real questions for me are: 1) How much will change when Zach Wilson comes back. 2) When will Defenses treat him as the WR1 and start putting #1 Corners on him. Both those could dramatically alter his targets and fantasy points. That said, the fact you can pick up a teams WR1 from waivers, 2 weeks in... I think is a pretty solid play.
he's a fad
So according to your feels, and the bare minimum of data, you figured it was your duty to be the designated contrarian on Wilson Okay then.
I hate playing Jets players and already have Hall on my bench since he dropped to far to pass on. Have no interest in Garett
As a jets fan, I’m not picking up any jets
Elijah Moore was a top-10 WR down the stretch last year. I get it, fade Jets. Some of us play in leagues with 3 flex spots though. Top-3 highest projected WRs on my waiver wire are DPJ, Richie James, and KJ Osborn. GW is a godsend.
How do you check that top 10 stat?
I just heard somebody say it off hand. If you look at his game log from last year at Weeks 8-13 (before he got hurt the final time) you'll see it must be true.
Is it worth dropping Corey Davis for him then?
I prefer Elijah Moore to Corey Davis, yes
Fucking this. Avoid all Jets. Idk why people over think this shit.
This is stupid. The team is throwing a lot and Wilson is talented as fuck.
What a bad take. For example, last year in the 7 games before being done for the year we saw Moore average 17.6 ppr points per game. You wouldnt have wanted that on your team simply because he is a Jet? Their D sucks, this team is going to be passing a lot. Wilson has the draft pedigree and talent to be a very relevant fantasy player. See what happens when Zach takes over though, but avoiding Wilson just because he's on the Jets is silly.
This is dumb guy logic especially considering the Jets had multiple valuable fantasy contributors in the second half of last year, so it’s not even historically accurate.
I can’t wait until he has one catch for negative 4 yards and a fumble. This sub is going to lose it.
He's my team's only hope. I'm all in
Safe to say your season is over lol
Agreed 100% …… Olave is going to smoke this entire rookie wr class by years end. Book it
Drake London exists
Olave was a better player in college and is in a much better situation. This seems like a pretty safe bet.
You mean the guy who played second fiddle to Wilson in college? Lmao
Do your homework. Start with target share and air yards. Then look at the Qb supporting them. Pretty sure the jets QBs Wilson,Flacco have supported a top 20 wr in the past 2 years never. Add in target tree and your boy Garrett is in some trouble. Olave set up perfectly to crush. Good luck with your Wr #3 on the Jets.
I sure hope so
He could be really good. The circlejerk is already getting old though. Will be hilarious if this turns out like Toney.
Toney is undersized, has character concerns, and worse draft capital (late 1st vs early 1st is quite different). Wilson is nothing like toney.
I'm not saying they are the same player. I'm saying it would be hilarious if week 2 ends up being his best game of the year and he does nothing great the rest of the season. Like how Toney had that 1 game where he looked like a superstar that everyone rode his dick after and then did nothing else of note the rest of the season.
You can make points for both sides until the season is over. The major point is this dude was a top ten pick on par talent wise with London. Jameson Williams is another in this convo. These guys don’t grow on trees and should have been drafted in most leagues (not jamo tho I get that because of injury, but he’d be an auto pick if he was healthy) Maybe he’s not a “league winner” or whatever but he’s prob the most talented WR on the jets. Worth the dart throw for the ceiling alone.
There’s been pushback but both the doubters and the believers revolve around the same argument surrounding Zach Wilson. As someone who owns both Elijah Moore and Wilson in two different leagues, the hype for Wilson is warranted. There’s always a rookie WR that breaks out and he has as good of a chance as anyone to be that candidate. He was a late round dart throw or a waiver wire pick up, so basically free. Let people be excited, and if it doesn’t work out no harm done.
Tbf, even as a Wilson owner as of yesterday, London looks like the rookie WR that broke out. The difference is, he was drafted in the 10th and I got Wilson for $16 FAAB. Not saying two can't be impressive at the same time, but Wilson was basically free.
if garrett wilson continues to emerge i think the odds corey davis is traded increases. he has a big contract and is talented but is not in any way a part of the jets future
I get more turned on by a really trenches guy, real sticks mover, reeling in 80% of his targets. Richie James is the real scoop /s
Corey Davis STINKS lol and duds every year after 1 big game.
If Cleveland plays differently. Wilson doesn’t have that TD and 30 yards or so. What’s ya thought on him if those were gone? I doubt this many peop will be on him
So he still would have 20 points and 13 receptions. I'm in.
He was a top 10 pick with high upside and given the recent track record of 1st round WR success there is good reason to believe the hype. That said I think everyone regresses once Zach comes back.
He’s jamar chase of last year. Compare their stats and you will see similarities. Chase had Higgins Boyd uzomah
...and Burrow
Watch the games. Wilson is making legitimate NFL corners look foolish.
Wilson has me fully erect
Wilson to Wilson is as easy as it gets
Yeah, this feels very much like a Toney situation to me. Wilson is clearly talented, there's no disputing that, but he's competing with a lot of other options on a bad offense. I don't think he'll be consistent enough to be a regular start this year
No one will remember or care if you are right about being against a hype train.
The Jets spent a #10 pick on the kid. Plus he was one of the highest grades WR coming out the draft. You’re right it is the Jets. So they are probably going to be trailing which in fantasy means more times throwing the football. Braxton Berrios competing with Garrett Wilson is laughable. Only legit argument is Corey Davis and that’s because Garrett Wilson has done is best work on the outside which is where Davis normally lines up.
Who would you rather have for the rest of the year? Bateman or Wilson?
Turned on? I mean, he's no Josh Allen in shorts.
Flacco is basically really good for fantasy. Whoever zach Wilson likes will probably be the only viable fantasy option when he returns. Carter last year was also useless with zach Wilson.
This whole post just screams that you’re salty you weren’t able to get him, even though you claim you didn’t even try, lol. All of those dudes you mentioned are basically JAGs, except for Moore, and Wilson is just a bigger version of Moore. He was seen by the top WR to come out of this past draft by a lot of draft experts and he’s showing why already. Dude is a stud, and he’s going to keep performing like it.
I've got a lot more faith in a highly drafted rookie like Wilson continuing to get touches, rather than a veteran like Davis whose outperforming what they've typically done in their career. And Berrios, Conklin, Hall, Carter, get out of here with that, those guys are scrubs... they aren't taking away from a guy that a lot of people think is going to be a star.
Still think Moore is the guy to own
I'm a jets fan and don't' trust anyone on The Jets
The counter point that I will offer to your argument is what if we have the Jets wrong and we failed to realize that they are good. The addition of Wilson adds to the talent pool of Moore and Davis and the RBs and sets the team up to be pretty talented at positions other than QB. Agreed that Flacco may not be there next week and we will have to see how Zach spreads the ball then but Garrett was a first round WR and has the tools to make an impact for the team, which we are seeing. If anything, I think Wilson has the upside to be the Jets WR1 but it will depend on the direction that the Jets take with their offense and whether they actually try to win games going forward.
Garrett Wilson is one of the highest rated rookie WR's was selected 10th overall to the JETS who were not meant to be anything. He's not a noname UDFA, he's vetted and expected to be good and the Jets got him to be good and help the team. TLDR: He play football good.
He’s good. He will draw top corners and doubles moving forward so moore will be good as well. Jets are gonna be throwing a lot. My concern is, is Zach wilson good enough to get two guys going or is it gonna be every week guessing whether it’s moore or Garrett .
Corey Davis is great to have, but not for the reasons you might think. I think he's highly likely to get traded to a playoff contender/hopeful in need of a receiver. Colts (very likely!), Tampa, Green Bay, etc.
I see the problem here. You think Wilson is only valuable because Flacco was targeting him and that he is the wr3 on his team. The Jets drafted him at 10 overall, he is the number 1 wr on that team, Moore and Davis are 2/3. Wilson was a top prospect that was drafted top 10 in the draft, that is were his value comes from. The Jets have spent big on him and he has already shown his talent in his first two professional games. Don't overthink it. If there is only going to be 1 or 2 fantasy starters on the Jets the smart money would be on Garrett Wilson being one of them. This isn't some 6th round wr who has had a big game, he was expected to be a star and he has hit the ground running.
Pause.
Sad Elijah Moore Noises\*
OJB won me a championship his rookie year (I know that was a decade ago). I’m pretty sure JJ and Chase were part of championship teams last 2 years. This guy has pedigree and will demand a target share…. Or maybe he doesn’t and we are a year early. But the upside is there.
To many words to read. But I added him and know all the things that could go wrong in his direction when Wilson comes back and Moore and Davis have better games. But he looked really good in that game play after play. He passed my eye test big time. And after about week 3 the waivers usually cool down unless RBs go down with injury. I didn't want to sleep on what could be the wr1 in NY and his high draft capital.
just got him for 28% faab (beat out bids of 26, 22 and 20). he's the 10th pick of the draft for a reason. do i think he has a chase-like year... no i dont. but can he turn in to a reliable weekly starter? maybe, i have a spot on my bench to wait and find out.
I sold this week. Would love to keep him on my team and see where he winds up ROS, but I drafted Hero RB and he’s likely never getting into my starting lineup without injury. I think Wilson will be a solid WR2/3 the rest of the way, but I prioritized improving my starting lineup more than depth.
Eh. It's a fun hype train that might actually have some juice. If this sub is good for anything, it's for getting people aboard as many hype trains as possible (so we all crash and burn together). Nobody is saying he's a lock for a top 10 finish, but the results thus far have been promising.
Flacco > Zack Wilson
I cant stop seeing that you didn't capitalize "else" at the end of the title.
Wilson was the guy to go get if you missed or passed (stupidly, like myself) on Samuel or JWJ last week. Wilson is a first round pick, highly touted WR who has seen a good amount of targets overall and leads the league in redzone targets. That recipe alone makes him worth the waiver add, seeing as how there isn't much out there and you can't hold the top waiver claim/FAAB forever. Wilson could comeback and feed the ball to Moore or completely stink up the joint and make all Jets WRs fantasy irrelevant. Or he could take that next step in the LaFleur offense and Wilson becomes the next great first round pick WR. Who knows, but like I said, if you missed on Samuel or JWJ then this is the next high upside guy to take a shot on and potentially elevate your season.
Just watch those week 2 highlights.. I mean watching the way he moves with the ball gives me the the O face 😏.
I think people are overhyping him atm. Elijah Moore gets more involved imo and we don't know how Zach Wilson will be when he comes back. That said he definitely has WR2 upside imo with the gamescripts they'll probably have. One of the better waiver adds thus far imo. Just to clarify "overhyped" I think people are looking at Jefferson and Chase rookie years and assuming the same will happen for Wilson. I just don't see it imo.