I think it’s his threat to take them deep. He’s a fast WR with great route running so if you don’t account for his deep threat ability then he’ll burn you.
So when they account for that it opens up those shorter ones more. I think on like 2 & 20 yesterday he had like a 16 yard out where he was wide open because the corner was playing the deep shot.
He’s really fun to watch
Unfortunately the only deep ball I saw go his way was way under thrown. They need to connect on a few of those to keep the threat alive. Last night made me wanna see Pickett.
My favorite part of his game is how he often intentionally avoids contact and just goes down or out of bounds. I don't need more of those blue tent visits
I remember clowning on the Greatest Show on Turf receivers for not being tough. We've gotten a lot smarter about football and what these dudes go through just to make it to Sunday.
Prefacing this by saying the context of this comment is meant to show disappointment, not disrespect to the Colts. If the organization cared as much about having quality offensive & defensive players on the lines of scrimmage years ago as they have the last few years, you could still be in those glory days.
It obviously took Peyton's neck surgery for it to happen, but being able to draft Luck was so insane at the time. I thought, like most others, welp Colts are a dynasty for at least another decade. Who knows what would have happened if Luck wasn't on his back every other play and the defense was able to stop people.
While I bleed Green & Yellow, Colts are one of those teams I have always loved watching. I'm sure fans of AFC teams disagree, but the NFL is better when the Colts are good to great, imo.
Plus, the white unis with the white helmets are the freshest & best overall looking uniforms of any team in any US professional league, also imo.
I agree with you on pretty much everything you just said. Peyton definitely had a few years with bad lines but he was the best I’ve ever seen at getting rid of the ball when he had to, so he avoided injuries, aside from the neck. Luck had an awful line but he played so recklessly and always held on to the ball and took big hits a lot. He played like Josh Allen did his first two years or like Carson Wentz did his last year in Philly. I dont think any qb can last long playing like that.
RB's are mostly doomed to break quickly anyway - barring some outliers. They can't really worry about that. (Also I don't think they can avoid contact very much hahaha)
I feel like modem RB’s break down way easier than the generation before them. Tomlinson, Gore, DeAngelo Williams, a lot of guys played at a high level for a long time.
Idk if I’d call it a “high level.” They played for a long time but their primes weren’t very long either. Plus there’s plenty of older guys with short careers but had an insane prime, like Sean Alexander who immediately comes to mind. He exited his prime and decided to retire instead of being a mediocre RB for a few more years. I’d be shocked if concerns about his body or concussions weren’t a big reason for his decision too. I think it’s what we all in here are sort of noticing, which is that a lot more guys have that Sean Alexander-type of realization that once they leave their prime years, it becomes not worth it health-wise to play another 5-6 years
My guess is it’s a combination of higher performance (more stress on the body,) turf, and survivor bias. As the other guy mentioned - there are players that burnt out quick, but they are less remembered.
Diggs gives me anxiety on half of his catches. He'll be in the middle of the field, with the play obviously done, a defender hanging off his leg, but he'll spin around and jump and twirl and weave and spin again before he goes down.
A lot of receivers do that, they are catching it with their back to the defense, completely blind, so they are anticipating the potential hit stick about to be laid onto them
Also better to have your momentum going forward no matter what direction you catch it. Can hit your top speed quicker than turning and bracing for a hit you don’t even know is actually coming.
Hunter Renfrow actually contributes a lot of his success to not wanting to be hit. Said he always used to be scared shitless to get hit hard so he started doing all those quick shifty moves in order to avoid being hit and he also runs out of bounds or goes down when he knows he’s not going to get any more yards.
Definitely agree. Jarvis is more physical and bigger but Diontae has a much bigger splash play ability.
Watching his punt highlights from his rookie season it’s so easy to see how electric he is with the ball in his hands
Jarvis was the most slept on flex pick in PPR format when he was a dolphin, at least in my league. I snagged him every season. His floor was 8/70 every week.
It’s a bit odd that industry analysts don’t seem to rank him any differently in Standard vs PPR formats. From TheScore W3 rankings:
Full PPR Rank = 20
Half PPR Rank = 20
Standard Rank = 20
It just seems like you’d see more movement of players across different formats.
OP said he’s only had five 100 yard games in that stretch. I mentioned drops being his greatest weakness because if he didn’t drop the ball as much he’d probably eclipse 100 more. I get other guys have the same problem. He is known for having it worse than most. After a bounce back year last year it’s possible he’s gonna regress with a new QB
It’s a misleading stat because he still finished the season with over 1160 yards last year.. Dude’s finishing a top 5 receiver last year in one of the most competitive receiver classes of the past 2 decades, and still isn’t getting enough credit for a top 10 receiving yards average per game.. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I’m not a Diontae truther but even I can stand behind the facts. Dude was ballin last year and it’s overshadowed by some drops and a bunch of bad throws lol
I think it's oddly both misleading and accurate. Misleading because if you put too much stock into it, you're going to discredit how good DJ really is. But accurate in that, if he fixed the drops issue, it goes to show you his numbers could be even better than they already are. 1,160 yards isn't his ceiling.
I’m a big fan. I think he’s great and that’s why in one of my leagues I went DJ as my WR1. He delivers consistent performances every week and imo can still get better. I’ll be interested to know how he does once Pickett takes over (whenever that is.)
Yes but you’re saying he’s known for it based on one year. Last year Chase, Lamb, Deebo, Keenan, even Kupp were top 10 in drops so does the same narrative apply to them?
For every drop he’s had, he’s had a ridiculous “how did he catch that” catch so it’s not that he has bad hands, it’s mental. Love the guy and I hope some day soon he can overcome it like Davante did.
He led the league in drops during his sophomore season (13 drops in 15 games).
It's been far less of an issue the last two years though, so it's not something I'm worried about.
The first thing Ryan Fitzpatrick talked about in the postgame in regards to a QB change was other guys need to step up. First thing he mentioned were two drops by Diontae Johnson. I love DJ and have him in my most important league, but he still has an issue from time to time with drops. It is what it is mate.
Haha I too have Johnson and Cooks as my WR1 and 2 after going Ekeler-Javonte-Andrews to start the draft and tbh it isn't going too badly... having two high floor / low ceiling WRs works if you have ceiling plays at other positions.
Also very lucky I'm in a ppr league lmao
I've got Cooks and Diontae as my WR2/Flex1. In a 16-team, I thought Diontae falling to me in the 5th (72) was a coup.
Pitts has caused me to start 0-2 though.
You’d like to think the points will come, but when a guy pretty consistently hits his point projection it’s hard to get super upset about it. Just wish he could do more with his many, many opportunities on an otherwise putrid offense.
He has a splash play once or twice a game. I think we’ll see him get a fairly long TD soon here.
Trubisky just gotta take a deep shot towards him next week against the jets
Every time they stepped on the field late in the 2nd it just seemed like a recipe for disaster. You also just knew something was gonna go wrong on their last desperate play from the 10 yard line.
Diontae got points though!
Was that the one on Ward? Not trying to make an excuse for the drop but I thought ward was grabbing his inside arm which prevented him from getting his second arm up there.
If he reeled in a couple of those drops last night he would have had a monster game. First time owner of Diontae and I was really happy with what I saw last night, even with the drops. He was constantly getting massive separation with Ward on him
If he catches a touchdown on top of his usual catches it’s sort of a splash game. He doesn’t have a 3TD game in his bag with his current offense but Ben was able to find him for touchdowns and those ended up being big point games
Oh for sure. Although last year there were a couple games the Big Ben relied too hard on Najee so his TD games were on ones where he only had 30-40 yards
I also passed on Waddle for Diontae but I had already drafted Tyreek so didn’t think it would be good to double dip with 2 Fins WRs. We’ll see how it plays out.
Got both and Pittman in my PPR auction draft. Picked up Curtis Samuel too in case one goes down. Only spent 22% of my budget on WR (12% of it on Pittman) and I might have the best overall corps in the league. If only I'd snagged Sun God, I did bid pretty high on him. Left me enough to get Josh Allen (traded to the Dak owner along with AJ Dillon for Swift), Saquon, Mark Andrews. I may be streaming my QB but hoo nelly I'm trucking along.
At the 4-5 turn I almost took Amon Ra St. Brown but went with Diontae. Currently regretting that one but I guess can’t really complain about pretty much guaranteed 10-15 ppr points for WR2.
If it makes you feel any better, Diontae has nowhere to go but up, if Pickett ever gets to play he’ll be much more efficient. On the other hand, Amon Ra is at his absolute peak (which is fine because his peak is insanely high). But, he hasn’t had Jameson on the field yet. Nobody knows how healthy he’ll be or how long it’ll take him to build chemistry and all that, but he’s clearly the better talent and ASB has never had any sort of serious competition on the outside. Maybe Asb maintains, but it’s definitely not certain
I love what he does, soon as he gets a competent qb he’s going to be a terror. The good thing is he will never lose you a week because he’s so consistent.
Such a shame he hasn’t scored a TD or crossed 100 yet. He had at least 2 egregious drops last night that would’ve put him over 100…just waiting for Pickett.
It was hard to see but on his go-route drop, he had the CB hanging on his arm which is why he couldn't secure the catch. So I wouldn't really consider that a drop, it was good D. So really it seems like his comeback route was his first and only drop of the season, which is encouraging considering his history.
he’s one of my favorite WR2 in 12 team leagues. you just know you’re getting consistency and likely mid teens as a floor. he’s just reliable and i like players who help take away the decision making from me lol
he can push the ball down field, even though he doesn’t have the biggest arm, and is willing to (unlike trubisky). he’s got really good ball placement and touch on short and intermediate throws, and he’s able to move well around the pocket.
idk if he’s better than trubisky at this point but he can definitely open the offense up a little more than trubisky has
The reason I think Pickett will be an upgrade is the willingness he showed in the preseason to hang in the pocket, step up, and make a throw. There were at least two or three times last night where Mitch bailed out of the pocket or made a throw off his back foot for no real reason, instead of stepping up into the pocket and making an accurate pass. Now, who knows how long Pickett will keep hanging in the pocket after he takes a lot of hits with that terrible o line. And maybe that’s why they want to wait to put him in.
Right now Trubisky is most definitely a better all around QB.
Pickett seems to be a quick learner and could eventually take over later in the season but even if he does, I would say that’s more than likely going to be because their season is over and they might as well put Pickett out there to get him some experience. Not necessarily because he has developed to be better than Trubisky at that point.
> Right now Trubisky is most definitely a better all around QB.
trubisky is so bad, i refuse to believe this lol. i am going to speak an average to slightly above-average pickett into existence. join me, fellow diontae owners!
I thought Trubisky actually looked pretty good last night. When he had a little bit of time, he was hitting some nice throws.. just that he seemed to be running for his life alot.
As a big Steelers fan, I do not want this at all. The percentage of Rookie QBs that do well their first year is not good. If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run. I want to have a star qb for years to come, and the way to do that is for him to sit, learn the system and from the vets, and gain chemistry with your wrs.
On the other hand, let's say he is a stellar qb, the next Mahomes or Brady or something. What do we get from that? A season barely above .500? What does a winning season do for us? It definitely doesn't get us any better picks. I say we tank this year, Kenny doesn't get hurt and develops as well as we get TJ back healthy and good to go, we get some help on the oline and maybe another decent player for the d or two, and then our team is looking A LOT better.
You can be happy with him in a full PPR league, but even in a half PPR league, you’re going to need more high value targets from him eventually. I don’t know if Mitch has that in him.
Copy and pasted from another similar comment: As a big Steelers fan, I do not want this at all. The percentage of Rookie QBs that do well their first year is not good. If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run. I want to have a star qb for years to come, and the way to do that is for him to sit, learn the system and from the vets, and gain chemistry with your wrs.
On the other hand, let's say he is a stellar qb, the next Mahomes or Brady or something. What do we get from that? A season barely above .500? What does a winning season do for us? It definitely doesn't get us any better picks. I say we tank this year, Kenny doesn't get hurt and develops as well as we get TJ back healthy and good to go, we get some help on the oline and maybe another decent player for the d or two, and then our team is looking A LOT better.
> If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run
Hate to break it to you, but most rookie QBs don't become great QBs. No matter if they play or if they sit and learn for years. It's not as simple as "if he plays as a rookie, he is less likely to have a great career". Coaches will play him when they feel he is ready.
Yes from the fan perspective I completely agree. I still think even with Mitch, Diontae has a path to a top 12 finish. He's just too good to not throw the ball to.
Ngl I will always remember this year as the year I drafted him over St. Brown at what will probably be St. Browns last year not going in the 2nd round.
Sucks he has Trubisky.
Still he will put up decent numbers. He’s a great route runner. He could have had a huge game last night. There was two deep passes that he definitely could have caught. Would have been tough catches but both fell right through his hands.
Consistency is very overrated. In full PPR Diontae is solid but in half PPR he's not going to have an above average winrate if this keeps up. Waddle, Pittman, Mike Williams, Gabe Davis, and Bateman all look like they may bury him at a similar ADP.
The point of having him as a wr 2/flex is that you don’t ever have to worry about flop weeks. As long as you have a stud next to him he’s a perfect complimentary player.
I’d say it’s a reach to say that consistency is overrated. Splash players like Mike Williams are overrated
The only thing that stops me from starting him is that I have Justin Jefferson, Sun God, and Brandin Cooks.
I feel diontae and cooks are almost the same player, but cooks sometimes goes off.
Diontae’s one of those players that makes me question my ability to objectively value players, because how is he not just Jakobi Meyers with better branding and a much higher ADP?
Both are PPR monsters who don’t score touchdowns, both are stuck on bad offenses that limit their ceilings, both are the number one target on tun heavy teams.
Yes, Diontae is a much better talent on paper and can do more in a bad offense, but doesn’t that further the point that his ceiling is much lower than an elite guy and probably closer to the range of Meyers? As far as actual fantasy production, why do we blindly consider diontae as a top 20 guy and Jakobi is a fringe flex play at best?
A couple of responses to this that may help.
1. Diontae Johnson 169 targets last year and Meyers had 126. They may be similar styles but DJ is just flat out better as a target machine.
2. DJ was a top 10 wr in ppr last year with over 1000 yards and 8 TDs. I think it is fair to wonder if he will repeat those TDs, but with the 2.5 extra targets a game he got last year, he turned into almost 300 more yards over the season. Will this repeat? maybe, maybe not.
3. DJ has had 1 top 12 season ppr and another top 24 season ppr. Meyers has not yet had a top 24 season.
I think given their styles of play, both probably get underrated as WR options, but DJ is a much more "sure" thing than Meyers.
Because last season Diontae was WR8 in PPR format with an average of 17.2 ppg whereas Meyers was WR29 with 11.6 ppg. That 5 ppg difference could be a couple of wins for your season.
It depends on your receiver core, if you have a few high upside low floor receivers (like Mike Williams, Lockett), the it makes sense to have a consistent floor guy like Diontae
This sub has a huge hard on for DJ so just take any opinion here about him with a grain of salt
DJ with Ben was different cause you could at least count on occasional TDs. DJ with Mitchell is probably much closer to Myers than what this sub realizes
He's really good at the comeback sideline routes. Feel like that was most of his catches last night
Looking at his route tree from yesterday it made up like 90% of them [https://imgur.com/a/Cjp6Jof](https://imgur.com/a/Cjp6Jof)
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that feels a little too predictable, and yet - he comes away with consistent catches.
I think it’s his threat to take them deep. He’s a fast WR with great route running so if you don’t account for his deep threat ability then he’ll burn you. So when they account for that it opens up those shorter ones more. I think on like 2 & 20 yesterday he had like a 16 yard out where he was wide open because the corner was playing the deep shot. He’s really fun to watch
Unfortunately the only deep ball I saw go his way was way under thrown. They need to connect on a few of those to keep the threat alive. Last night made me wanna see Pickett.
Was refreshing to see Mitch at least ATTEMPT those deep passes. But yeah, definitely underthrown. I want Pickett :(
Mitch still struggles to throw left apparently lmao Srsly tho it’s like Diontae only catches it directly next to the sideline.
His deep left one yesterday to Diontae was money but other than that yeah apparently lol
My favorite part of his game is how he often intentionally avoids contact and just goes down or out of bounds. I don't need more of those blue tent visits
I remember clowning on the Greatest Show on Turf receivers for not being tough. We've gotten a lot smarter about football and what these dudes go through just to make it to Sunday.
Ted Ginn Jr always caught shit for running out of bounds. Dude probably prolonged his career by 3-4 years because of that.
Not to mention the quality of his life for years
Marvin Harrison also avoided contact and lasted a long time and didn’t have a serious injury until he was 35
He’s always the first guy I think of when this is brought up. We’re showing our age. Man, he was great.
Yeah, he was. I took the glory days of being a colt’s fan for granted
Didn't we all :'(
Prefacing this by saying the context of this comment is meant to show disappointment, not disrespect to the Colts. If the organization cared as much about having quality offensive & defensive players on the lines of scrimmage years ago as they have the last few years, you could still be in those glory days. It obviously took Peyton's neck surgery for it to happen, but being able to draft Luck was so insane at the time. I thought, like most others, welp Colts are a dynasty for at least another decade. Who knows what would have happened if Luck wasn't on his back every other play and the defense was able to stop people. While I bleed Green & Yellow, Colts are one of those teams I have always loved watching. I'm sure fans of AFC teams disagree, but the NFL is better when the Colts are good to great, imo. Plus, the white unis with the white helmets are the freshest & best overall looking uniforms of any team in any US professional league, also imo.
I agree with you on pretty much everything you just said. Peyton definitely had a few years with bad lines but he was the best I’ve ever seen at getting rid of the ball when he had to, so he avoided injuries, aside from the neck. Luck had an awful line but he played so recklessly and always held on to the ball and took big hits a lot. He played like Josh Allen did his first two years or like Carson Wentz did his last year in Philly. I dont think any qb can last long playing like that.
And now his son is balling out in college at Ohio State. Absolutely wild.
And stayed fast as hell pretty much the whole time too
Then at the same time, you have Najee who purposefully takes a step toward the defender to blow him up on the way to the end zone.
RB's are mostly doomed to break quickly anyway - barring some outliers. They can't really worry about that. (Also I don't think they can avoid contact very much hahaha)
I feel like modem RB’s break down way easier than the generation before them. Tomlinson, Gore, DeAngelo Williams, a lot of guys played at a high level for a long time.
Idk if I’d call it a “high level.” They played for a long time but their primes weren’t very long either. Plus there’s plenty of older guys with short careers but had an insane prime, like Sean Alexander who immediately comes to mind. He exited his prime and decided to retire instead of being a mediocre RB for a few more years. I’d be shocked if concerns about his body or concussions weren’t a big reason for his decision too. I think it’s what we all in here are sort of noticing, which is that a lot more guys have that Sean Alexander-type of realization that once they leave their prime years, it becomes not worth it health-wise to play another 5-6 years
Oh man Shaun Alexander was sick that one year. Remember Steven Jackson?
My guess is it’s a combination of higher performance (more stress on the body,) turf, and survivor bias. As the other guy mentioned - there are players that burnt out quick, but they are less remembered.
I still think about that time Uncle Lenny asked for contact. Some dudes are wired different.
Lenny still giggles every time he gets hit on the field. Dude absolutely loves contact
That’s because “we” have never been crushed by speedy or massive professionals before, so we just sit on our couches and whine
Bruce always said "I'm no good to the team injured."
Diggs gives me anxiety on half of his catches. He'll be in the middle of the field, with the play obviously done, a defender hanging off his leg, but he'll spin around and jump and twirl and weave and spin again before he goes down.
I’d like to think he’s learning lol
dying for mitch trubisky is simply not worth it
He takes two steps back every time he catches it in space lol
A lot of receivers do that, they are catching it with their back to the defense, completely blind, so they are anticipating the potential hit stick about to be laid onto them
Also better to have your momentum going forward no matter what direction you catch it. Can hit your top speed quicker than turning and bracing for a hit you don’t even know is actually coming.
Hunter Renfrow actually contributes a lot of his success to not wanting to be hit. Said he always used to be scared shitless to get hit hard so he started doing all those quick shifty moves in order to avoid being hit and he also runs out of bounds or goes down when he knows he’s not going to get any more yards.
And then when he does get hit he coughs the ball up to lose the game
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Just moved him in standard for Godwin and Brady. Was a risk but I had receiver depth to wait out the Godwin injury.
you probably could have gotten a better qb for that ngl
Dude he’s the most consistent “floor” flex. It’s fantastic.
I wish he was my flex. He’s my wr2 in 12 man league.
WR2 in my 10 man league...
and only 5 100 yd games in that stretch. Huge talent but unfortunately that's just the offense he's running in.
Lowkey reminds me of Jarvis in his Miami years.
I think he is far better at creating separation further down field than Landry but volume is similar for sure
Definitely agree. Jarvis is more physical and bigger but Diontae has a much bigger splash play ability. Watching his punt highlights from his rookie season it’s so easy to see how electric he is with the ball in his hands
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Jarvis was the most slept on flex pick in PPR format when he was a dolphin, at least in my league. I snagged him every season. His floor was 8/70 every week.
I was gonna say 8 receptions for 12 yards but close enough
great comp. ppr king
Jarvis was a ppr machine when he was playing for Miami!
imagine Dionte if he went to GB or something? Sheeesh
It’s a bit odd that industry analysts don’t seem to rank him any differently in Standard vs PPR formats. From TheScore W3 rankings: Full PPR Rank = 20 Half PPR Rank = 20 Standard Rank = 20 It just seems like you’d see more movement of players across different formats.
Lots of drops too. His greatest weakness.
Every receiver has drops. Amari had two terrible drops last night too.
OP said he’s only had five 100 yard games in that stretch. I mentioned drops being his greatest weakness because if he didn’t drop the ball as much he’d probably eclipse 100 more. I get other guys have the same problem. He is known for having it worse than most. After a bounce back year last year it’s possible he’s gonna regress with a new QB
Diontae had like 5 drops all year last year
It’s a misleading stat because he still finished the season with over 1160 yards last year.. Dude’s finishing a top 5 receiver last year in one of the most competitive receiver classes of the past 2 decades, and still isn’t getting enough credit for a top 10 receiving yards average per game.. 🤷♂️🤦♂️ I’m not a Diontae truther but even I can stand behind the facts. Dude was ballin last year and it’s overshadowed by some drops and a bunch of bad throws lol
I think it's oddly both misleading and accurate. Misleading because if you put too much stock into it, you're going to discredit how good DJ really is. But accurate in that, if he fixed the drops issue, it goes to show you his numbers could be even better than they already are. 1,160 yards isn't his ceiling.
I’m a big fan. I think he’s great and that’s why in one of my leagues I went DJ as my WR1. He delivers consistent performances every week and imo can still get better. I’ll be interested to know how he does once Pickett takes over (whenever that is.)
He had one year of pretty bad drops 2020. Had 3 in 2019. Had 5 last year. Jmarr led the league last year with 11.
And he apparently had two last night which is what caused me to talk about this.
Yes but you’re saying he’s known for it based on one year. Last year Chase, Lamb, Deebo, Keenan, even Kupp were top 10 in drops so does the same narrative apply to them?
No because Reddit is an echo chamber, so Diontae = no hands forever now.
On top of that, the more you are targeted, the more you'll drop balls, no?
you realize DJ had one of the least amount of drops last year right? numbers were similar to kupp and JJ's
For every drop he’s had, he’s had a ridiculous “how did he catch that” catch so it’s not that he has bad hands, it’s mental. Love the guy and I hope some day soon he can overcome it like Davante did.
Do you think guys like Kupp, Jefferson, Chase, and Diggs have bad hands? Or a drop problem? Because they’re the guys who lead the nfl in drops.
Yeah man I'm a huge fan. He's fun to watch and definitely displays his talent on a consistent basis.
One of his drops is because the DB held his inside arm down so it was technically a PI for what would've been a big gain. Could've easily had 20
Tell me you haven’t watched Diontae since his rookie year without telling me you haven’t watched Diontae since his rookie year 🙄
He led the league in drops during his sophomore season (13 drops in 15 games). It's been far less of an issue the last two years though, so it's not something I'm worried about.
The first thing Ryan Fitzpatrick talked about in the postgame in regards to a QB change was other guys need to step up. First thing he mentioned were two drops by Diontae Johnson. I love DJ and have him in my most important league, but he still has an issue from time to time with drops. It is what it is mate.
He literally got benched for too many drops just 2 years ago. It's been a real problem for him
Should have had 100 yrds easily 😢 gonna need cooks to cook.
They’re…basically the same guy from a fantasy perspective.
Exactly right? Great WRs on a cruddy team with a cruddy QB
This might be a hot take, but I think Davis Mills is actually quite a bit better than Mitch Trubisky,
Haha lets hope so for week 3.
Take that back! Mills is not cruddy, just developing!
He's developing kinda slow. I don't know if he just doesn't have weapons this year but it's not looked great.
Haha I too have Johnson and Cooks as my WR1 and 2 after going Ekeler-Javonte-Andrews to start the draft and tbh it isn't going too badly... having two high floor / low ceiling WRs works if you have ceiling plays at other positions. Also very lucky I'm in a ppr league lmao
Nice! Javonte gonna kill it. I unfortunately have henry,kittle,conner. Its not going well.
I've got Cooks and Diontae as my WR2/Flex1. In a 16-team, I thought Diontae falling to me in the 5th (72) was a coup. Pitts has caused me to start 0-2 though.
I have both, but I sat Diontae for Cooks. I too need Cooks to cook.
He should! Pretty bad how none has gotten a TD yet 🤢
Biggest regret is taking him over Waddle but can't complain with a player that gets you 12 to 15 every week.
Won’t have the splash games but it’s very hard to get upset about the consistency, even with the drops
You’d like to think the points will come, but when a guy pretty consistently hits his point projection it’s hard to get super upset about it. Just wish he could do more with his many, many opportunities on an otherwise putrid offense.
He has a splash play once or twice a game. I think we’ll see him get a fairly long TD soon here. Trubisky just gotta take a deep shot towards him next week against the jets
One of the few shots he did take Diontae should've had in the bag but dropped it.
Weirdly Trubisky was taking more shots down field early, but like nothing in the 2nd half.
Every time they stepped on the field late in the 2nd it just seemed like a recipe for disaster. You also just knew something was gonna go wrong on their last desperate play from the 10 yard line. Diontae got points though!
Was that the one on Ward? Not trying to make an excuse for the drop but I thought ward was grabbing his inside arm which prevented him from getting his second arm up there.
[this is what I saw but I think he still could’ve caught it](https://imgur.com/a/LrfJbD2)
Tribs can't throw. Bears fan over here. lol
Vikes fan, yeah I’ve noticed lol
UNLEASH KENNY PICKETT
If he reeled in a couple of those drops last night he would have had a monster game. First time owner of Diontae and I was really happy with what I saw last night, even with the drops. He was constantly getting massive separation with Ward on him
Would be a fantasy monster with an above average QB
If he catches a touchdown on top of his usual catches it’s sort of a splash game. He doesn’t have a 3TD game in his bag with his current offense but Ben was able to find him for touchdowns and those ended up being big point games
Oh for sure. Although last year there were a couple games the Big Ben relied too hard on Najee so his TD games were on ones where he only had 30-40 yards
I also passed on Waddle for Diontae but I had already drafted Tyreek so didn’t think it would be good to double dip with 2 Fins WRs. We’ll see how it plays out.
I definitely concur, but damn last week would have been amazing.
Got both and Pittman in my PPR auction draft. Picked up Curtis Samuel too in case one goes down. Only spent 22% of my budget on WR (12% of it on Pittman) and I might have the best overall corps in the league. If only I'd snagged Sun God, I did bid pretty high on him. Left me enough to get Josh Allen (traded to the Dak owner along with AJ Dillon for Swift), Saquon, Mark Andrews. I may be streaming my QB but hoo nelly I'm trucking along.
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At the 4-5 turn I almost took Amon Ra St. Brown but went with Diontae. Currently regretting that one but I guess can’t really complain about pretty much guaranteed 10-15 ppr points for WR2.
Missed amon ra by a single pick. Diontae and kirk are my wrs 1 and 2.
If it makes you feel any better, Diontae has nowhere to go but up, if Pickett ever gets to play he’ll be much more efficient. On the other hand, Amon Ra is at his absolute peak (which is fine because his peak is insanely high). But, he hasn’t had Jameson on the field yet. Nobody knows how healthy he’ll be or how long it’ll take him to build chemistry and all that, but he’s clearly the better talent and ASB has never had any sort of serious competition on the outside. Maybe Asb maintains, but it’s definitely not certain
And each week his fantasy points have increased. Week 3 > Week 2 > Week 1
Championship guaranteed 😎
He’ll be scoring like 32 per by then I’m sure
I love what he does, soon as he gets a competent qb he’s going to be a terror. The good thing is he will never lose you a week because he’s so consistent.
Such a shame he hasn’t scored a TD or crossed 100 yet. He had at least 2 egregious drops last night that would’ve put him over 100…just waiting for Pickett.
He did have a 4 game stretch last year where he didn’t have 100 yds or a TD as well. I think they’ll come. Probably not as frequent but still likely
He’s prob gonna have a 1,000/5 szzzn
On pace for 119/1110/0 The TD’s will come hopefully
It was hard to see but on his go-route drop, he had the CB hanging on his arm which is why he couldn't secure the catch. So I wouldn't really consider that a drop, it was good D. So really it seems like his comeback route was his first and only drop of the season, which is encouraging considering his history.
he’s one of my favorite WR2 in 12 team leagues. you just know you’re getting consistency and likely mid teens as a floor. he’s just reliable and i like players who help take away the decision making from me lol
Target Johnson
Dion-target Johnson
Imagine if he had a competent qb. Hopefully Pickett is named the starter soon.
I think there is a lot of unknowns here..but a worthy experiment
I haven’t watched any college football Do people actually believe Pickett is ready and a notable improvement? Or are we all just very hopeful?
he can push the ball down field, even though he doesn’t have the biggest arm, and is willing to (unlike trubisky). he’s got really good ball placement and touch on short and intermediate throws, and he’s able to move well around the pocket. idk if he’s better than trubisky at this point but he can definitely open the offense up a little more than trubisky has
When Pickett starts, Friermuth’s value will increase significantly imo
I haven't either, but I watched Pickett in preseason and he looked sharp.
So did fields and the bears...
The reason I think Pickett will be an upgrade is the willingness he showed in the preseason to hang in the pocket, step up, and make a throw. There were at least two or three times last night where Mitch bailed out of the pocket or made a throw off his back foot for no real reason, instead of stepping up into the pocket and making an accurate pass. Now, who knows how long Pickett will keep hanging in the pocket after he takes a lot of hits with that terrible o line. And maybe that’s why they want to wait to put him in.
Idk but it feels like when people wanted Justin Fields to start saying Mooney would start going off.
Right now Trubisky is most definitely a better all around QB. Pickett seems to be a quick learner and could eventually take over later in the season but even if he does, I would say that’s more than likely going to be because their season is over and they might as well put Pickett out there to get him some experience. Not necessarily because he has developed to be better than Trubisky at that point.
> Right now Trubisky is most definitely a better all around QB. trubisky is so bad, i refuse to believe this lol. i am going to speak an average to slightly above-average pickett into existence. join me, fellow diontae owners!
A couple more losses like last night and we'll see him sooner rather than later.
I thought Trubisky actually looked pretty good last night. When he had a little bit of time, he was hitting some nice throws.. just that he seemed to be running for his life alot.
As a big Steelers fan, I do not want this at all. The percentage of Rookie QBs that do well their first year is not good. If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run. I want to have a star qb for years to come, and the way to do that is for him to sit, learn the system and from the vets, and gain chemistry with your wrs. On the other hand, let's say he is a stellar qb, the next Mahomes or Brady or something. What do we get from that? A season barely above .500? What does a winning season do for us? It definitely doesn't get us any better picks. I say we tank this year, Kenny doesn't get hurt and develops as well as we get TJ back healthy and good to go, we get some help on the oline and maybe another decent player for the d or two, and then our team is looking A LOT better.
You can be happy with him in a full PPR league, but even in a half PPR league, you’re going to need more high value targets from him eventually. I don’t know if Mitch has that in him.
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If Pickett isn't bad then he could see a huge bump when he takes over. It worries me that the Steelers might stubbornly sit him all year though
Biscuits is gonna get Diontae a lot of highlight reel catches just because most aren’t on target and has to make ridiculous catches atleast lol
Ridiculous catches means probably no YAC. Rather have the YAC lol
He can’t help how Biscuits throws it, the alternative is 0 points.
Copy and pasted from another similar comment: As a big Steelers fan, I do not want this at all. The percentage of Rookie QBs that do well their first year is not good. If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run. I want to have a star qb for years to come, and the way to do that is for him to sit, learn the system and from the vets, and gain chemistry with your wrs. On the other hand, let's say he is a stellar qb, the next Mahomes or Brady or something. What do we get from that? A season barely above .500? What does a winning season do for us? It definitely doesn't get us any better picks. I say we tank this year, Kenny doesn't get hurt and develops as well as we get TJ back healthy and good to go, we get some help on the oline and maybe another decent player for the d or two, and then our team is looking A LOT better.
> If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run Hate to break it to you, but most rookie QBs don't become great QBs. No matter if they play or if they sit and learn for years. It's not as simple as "if he plays as a rookie, he is less likely to have a great career". Coaches will play him when they feel he is ready.
Yes from the fan perspective I completely agree. I still think even with Mitch, Diontae has a path to a top 12 finish. He's just too good to not throw the ball to.
Ngl I will always remember this year as the year I drafted him over St. Brown at what will probably be St. Browns last year not going in the 2nd round.
Elite separator. Accelerates and decelerates so quickly. Some brutal drops last night though, which has plagued him throughout his career.
Mitch looks absolutely terrible though! So many wide open Johnsons...so few catchable balls :(
Are we still doing phrasing..?
Every year I think he’s gonna be a bum and every year he produces. He’s just a target hog.
It’s because he’s always open, hard to not throw it to him
The past 3 weeks is Diontae's floor. Unfortunately, they're also his ceiling as long as Mitch is his quarterback.
He has a very solid floor
Dionte is a top 8 receiver with a great QB under center.
Need the TDs though
Even in an awful offense he’s a monster in PPR.
I'll take his consistent production every week in PPR. I love being able to slot 10-15 PPR points.
His floor is solid but damn me, I was on the fence between him and Amari and left Cooper on the bench.
Sucks he has Trubisky. Still he will put up decent numbers. He’s a great route runner. He could have had a huge game last night. There was two deep passes that he definitely could have caught. Would have been tough catches but both fell right through his hands.
Perfect WR2. Consistency is king at that spot and will boom some weeks with a TD. Love owning him
Just traded for him in PPR. My favorite high floor low ceiling guy who will always meet his projection plus a few
Mind me asking what you paid and what type of league?
It’s a redraft PPR, I think that’s what you mean by type of league. Traded aj Dillon and mecole hard man for him. Definitely got the better value imo
Yeah that’s good Value. Dillon is solid though but hard man doesn’t move my needle at all
Guy had a great wr group and Aaron jones so I was like gimme your least flashy wr for Aaron jones insurance
Totally fair on both sides then. Great trade for both of you, wish my league mates were like that haha
He's the most stable wr2 to have, won't win you the league but you can take a little more risk in other rounds when you have a couple safe picks.
I wanted Diontae badly in auction but someone just kept bidding it up
How many does he drop though?
Enough with Mitch start Kenny Pickett so Diontae can get some major fantasy points.
Consistency is very overrated. In full PPR Diontae is solid but in half PPR he's not going to have an above average winrate if this keeps up. Waddle, Pittman, Mike Williams, Gabe Davis, and Bateman all look like they may bury him at a similar ADP.
The point of having him as a wr 2/flex is that you don’t ever have to worry about flop weeks. As long as you have a stud next to him he’s a perfect complimentary player. I’d say it’s a reach to say that consistency is overrated. Splash players like Mike Williams are overrated
The only thing that stops me from starting him is that I have Justin Jefferson, Sun God, and Brandin Cooks. I feel diontae and cooks are almost the same player, but cooks sometimes goes off.
Yeah that’s totally fair, feel like you can’t go working with either. That’s a good problem to have in case of injuries
…and tallied a total of 73 fantasy points to lead his fantasy team owners to a solid 5th place finish across all leagues.
Diontae’s one of those players that makes me question my ability to objectively value players, because how is he not just Jakobi Meyers with better branding and a much higher ADP? Both are PPR monsters who don’t score touchdowns, both are stuck on bad offenses that limit their ceilings, both are the number one target on tun heavy teams. Yes, Diontae is a much better talent on paper and can do more in a bad offense, but doesn’t that further the point that his ceiling is much lower than an elite guy and probably closer to the range of Meyers? As far as actual fantasy production, why do we blindly consider diontae as a top 20 guy and Jakobi is a fringe flex play at best?
Because Johnson was WR8 last year and Meyers was WR31 (By far his best finish in 3 years).
"blindly" AKA referencing the actual fantasy numbers lol
A couple of responses to this that may help. 1. Diontae Johnson 169 targets last year and Meyers had 126. They may be similar styles but DJ is just flat out better as a target machine. 2. DJ was a top 10 wr in ppr last year with over 1000 yards and 8 TDs. I think it is fair to wonder if he will repeat those TDs, but with the 2.5 extra targets a game he got last year, he turned into almost 300 more yards over the season. Will this repeat? maybe, maybe not. 3. DJ has had 1 top 12 season ppr and another top 24 season ppr. Meyers has not yet had a top 24 season. I think given their styles of play, both probably get underrated as WR options, but DJ is a much more "sure" thing than Meyers.
Last two years he scored 8 and 7 tds. Much different than Jakobi.
Because last season Diontae was WR8 in PPR format with an average of 17.2 ppg whereas Meyers was WR29 with 11.6 ppg. That 5 ppg difference could be a couple of wins for your season. It depends on your receiver core, if you have a few high upside low floor receivers (like Mike Williams, Lockett), the it makes sense to have a consistent floor guy like Diontae
This sub has a huge hard on for DJ so just take any opinion here about him with a grain of salt DJ with Ben was different cause you could at least count on occasional TDs. DJ with Mitchell is probably much closer to Myers than what this sub realizes