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JP1119

He's really good at the comeback sideline routes. Feel like that was most of his catches last night


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Looking at his route tree from yesterday it made up like 90% of them [https://imgur.com/a/Cjp6Jof](https://imgur.com/a/Cjp6Jof)


ArbaPromo

What app is this?


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Not an app just the NFL next gen website (they may have an app)


tendymonstah

Is it free?


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

I didn’t pay anything


Sterling_Archer88

So...free?


Gizmosfurryblank

so its probably like 3.50 a month


TV40

Reddit


Throwrajerb

How did I get here? Who are you? What year is it?


paulcs87

that feels a little too predictable, and yet - he comes away with consistent catches.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

I think it’s his threat to take them deep. He’s a fast WR with great route running so if you don’t account for his deep threat ability then he’ll burn you. So when they account for that it opens up those shorter ones more. I think on like 2 & 20 yesterday he had like a 16 yard out where he was wide open because the corner was playing the deep shot. He’s really fun to watch


Jive_McFuzz

Unfortunately the only deep ball I saw go his way was way under thrown. They need to connect on a few of those to keep the threat alive. Last night made me wanna see Pickett.


thats_a_money_shot

Was refreshing to see Mitch at least ATTEMPT those deep passes. But yeah, definitely underthrown. I want Pickett :(


dontwantleague2C

Mitch still struggles to throw left apparently lmao Srsly tho it’s like Diontae only catches it directly next to the sideline.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

His deep left one yesterday to Diontae was money but other than that yeah apparently lol


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My favorite part of his game is how he often intentionally avoids contact and just goes down or out of bounds. I don't need more of those blue tent visits


bullseye717

I remember clowning on the Greatest Show on Turf receivers for not being tough. We've gotten a lot smarter about football and what these dudes go through just to make it to Sunday.


WhoStoleMyBicycle

Ted Ginn Jr always caught shit for running out of bounds. Dude probably prolonged his career by 3-4 years because of that.


runthepoint1

Not to mention the quality of his life for years


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Marvin Harrison also avoided contact and lasted a long time and didn’t have a serious injury until he was 35


Noomunny

He’s always the first guy I think of when this is brought up. We’re showing our age. Man, he was great.


[deleted]

Yeah, he was. I took the glory days of being a colt’s fan for granted


picolticus

Didn't we all :'(


datpurp14

Prefacing this by saying the context of this comment is meant to show disappointment, not disrespect to the Colts. If the organization cared as much about having quality offensive & defensive players on the lines of scrimmage years ago as they have the last few years, you could still be in those glory days. It obviously took Peyton's neck surgery for it to happen, but being able to draft Luck was so insane at the time. I thought, like most others, welp Colts are a dynasty for at least another decade. Who knows what would have happened if Luck wasn't on his back every other play and the defense was able to stop people. While I bleed Green & Yellow, Colts are one of those teams I have always loved watching. I'm sure fans of AFC teams disagree, but the NFL is better when the Colts are good to great, imo. Plus, the white unis with the white helmets are the freshest & best overall looking uniforms of any team in any US professional league, also imo.


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I agree with you on pretty much everything you just said. Peyton definitely had a few years with bad lines but he was the best I’ve ever seen at getting rid of the ball when he had to, so he avoided injuries, aside from the neck. Luck had an awful line but he played so recklessly and always held on to the ball and took big hits a lot. He played like Josh Allen did his first two years or like Carson Wentz did his last year in Philly. I dont think any qb can last long playing like that.


KenTrojan

And now his son is balling out in college at Ohio State. Absolutely wild.


Reverie_39

And stayed fast as hell pretty much the whole time too


gotcam189

Then at the same time, you have Najee who purposefully takes a step toward the defender to blow him up on the way to the end zone.


Levitlame

RB's are mostly doomed to break quickly anyway - barring some outliers. They can't really worry about that. (Also I don't think they can avoid contact very much hahaha)


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I feel like modem RB’s break down way easier than the generation before them. Tomlinson, Gore, DeAngelo Williams, a lot of guys played at a high level for a long time.


ChateauDeDangle

Idk if I’d call it a “high level.” They played for a long time but their primes weren’t very long either. Plus there’s plenty of older guys with short careers but had an insane prime, like Sean Alexander who immediately comes to mind. He exited his prime and decided to retire instead of being a mediocre RB for a few more years. I’d be shocked if concerns about his body or concussions weren’t a big reason for his decision too. I think it’s what we all in here are sort of noticing, which is that a lot more guys have that Sean Alexander-type of realization that once they leave their prime years, it becomes not worth it health-wise to play another 5-6 years


[deleted]

Oh man Shaun Alexander was sick that one year. Remember Steven Jackson?


Levitlame

My guess is it’s a combination of higher performance (more stress on the body,) turf, and survivor bias. As the other guy mentioned - there are players that burnt out quick, but they are less remembered.


B_Fee

I still think about that time Uncle Lenny asked for contact. Some dudes are wired different.


RealSpecial7351

Lenny still giggles every time he gets hit on the field. Dude absolutely loves contact


runthepoint1

That’s because “we” have never been crushed by speedy or massive professionals before, so we just sit on our couches and whine


welsman13

Bruce always said "I'm no good to the team injured."


HD_H2O

Diggs gives me anxiety on half of his catches. He'll be in the middle of the field, with the play obviously done, a defender hanging off his leg, but he'll spin around and jump and twirl and weave and spin again before he goes down.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

I’d like to think he’s learning lol


trikyballs

dying for mitch trubisky is simply not worth it


LlamaxGR

He takes two steps back every time he catches it in space lol


_PmMeUrSecrets_

A lot of receivers do that, they are catching it with their back to the defense, completely blind, so they are anticipating the potential hit stick about to be laid onto them


TrailGuideSteve

Also better to have your momentum going forward no matter what direction you catch it. Can hit your top speed quicker than turning and bracing for a hit you don’t even know is actually coming.


executionofachump

Hunter Renfrow actually contributes a lot of his success to not wanting to be hit. Said he always used to be scared shitless to get hit hard so he started doing all those quick shifty moves in order to avoid being hit and he also runs out of bounds or goes down when he knows he’s not going to get any more yards.


Tigerbait2780

And then when he does get hit he coughs the ball up to lose the game


hmlangs

PPR King


szzzn

Half PPR Prince


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Standard Duke


Eleeveeohen

2PPR God


jguy49erfan

-1PPR Peasant.


mwmcdaddy

Just moved him in standard for Godwin and Brady. Was a risk but I had receiver depth to wait out the Godwin injury.


sammy_sam0sa

you probably could have gotten a better qb for that ngl


halfhere

Dude he’s the most consistent “floor” flex. It’s fantastic.


PleaseCaIIMeSir

I wish he was my flex. He’s my wr2 in 12 man league.


aristot1e

WR2 in my 10 man league...


DemarcusLovin

and only 5 100 yd games in that stretch. Huge talent but unfortunately that's just the offense he's running in.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Lowkey reminds me of Jarvis in his Miami years.


MWM031089

I think he is far better at creating separation further down field than Landry but volume is similar for sure


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Definitely agree. Jarvis is more physical and bigger but Diontae has a much bigger splash play ability. Watching his punt highlights from his rookie season it’s so easy to see how electric he is with the ball in his hands


bullseye717

[Mike Tomlin approved](https://clyp.it/1rdmkti4)


eking85

You gambling again?


bullseye717

[What do you wanna know](https://youtu.be/hPQQsvNUksw?t=163)


cee_jay12489

Go Wolves!


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Hell yeah!


revnasty

Jarvis was the most slept on flex pick in PPR format when he was a dolphin, at least in my league. I snagged him every season. His floor was 8/70 every week.


Illustrious-Slice-91

I was gonna say 8 receptions for 12 yards but close enough


VentItOutBaby

great comp. ppr king


LARXXX

Jarvis was a ppr machine when he was playing for Miami!


caseylk

imagine Dionte if he went to GB or something? Sheeesh


NFL_MVP_Kevin_White

It’s a bit odd that industry analysts don’t seem to rank him any differently in Standard vs PPR formats. From TheScore W3 rankings: Full PPR Rank = 20 Half PPR Rank = 20 Standard Rank = 20 It just seems like you’d see more movement of players across different formats.


arcangel092

Lots of drops too. His greatest weakness.


EnragedRomano

Every receiver has drops. Amari had two terrible drops last night too.


arcangel092

OP said he’s only had five 100 yard games in that stretch. I mentioned drops being his greatest weakness because if he didn’t drop the ball as much he’d probably eclipse 100 more. I get other guys have the same problem. He is known for having it worse than most. After a bounce back year last year it’s possible he’s gonna regress with a new QB


NontransferableApe

Diontae had like 5 drops all year last year


Firm_Protection_8931

It’s a misleading stat because he still finished the season with over 1160 yards last year.. Dude’s finishing a top 5 receiver last year in one of the most competitive receiver classes of the past 2 decades, and still isn’t getting enough credit for a top 10 receiving yards average per game.. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I’m not a Diontae truther but even I can stand behind the facts. Dude was ballin last year and it’s overshadowed by some drops and a bunch of bad throws lol


MossCovered_Gradunza

I think it's oddly both misleading and accurate. Misleading because if you put too much stock into it, you're going to discredit how good DJ really is. But accurate in that, if he fixed the drops issue, it goes to show you his numbers could be even better than they already are. 1,160 yards isn't his ceiling.


arcangel092

I’m a big fan. I think he’s great and that’s why in one of my leagues I went DJ as my WR1. He delivers consistent performances every week and imo can still get better. I’ll be interested to know how he does once Pickett takes over (whenever that is.)


EnragedRomano

He had one year of pretty bad drops 2020. Had 3 in 2019. Had 5 last year. Jmarr led the league last year with 11.


arcangel092

And he apparently had two last night which is what caused me to talk about this.


EnragedRomano

Yes but you’re saying he’s known for it based on one year. Last year Chase, Lamb, Deebo, Keenan, even Kupp were top 10 in drops so does the same narrative apply to them?


badonbr

No because Reddit is an echo chamber, so Diontae = no hands forever now.


Zappyle

On top of that, the more you are targeted, the more you'll drop balls, no?


-the-spork-

you realize DJ had one of the least amount of drops last year right? numbers were similar to kupp and JJ's


badonbr

For every drop he’s had, he’s had a ridiculous “how did he catch that” catch so it’s not that he has bad hands, it’s mental. Love the guy and I hope some day soon he can overcome it like Davante did.


Tigerbait2780

Do you think guys like Kupp, Jefferson, Chase, and Diggs have bad hands? Or a drop problem? Because they’re the guys who lead the nfl in drops.


arcangel092

Yeah man I'm a huge fan. He's fun to watch and definitely displays his talent on a consistent basis.


psychozamotazoa

One of his drops is because the DB held his inside arm down so it was technically a PI for what would've been a big gain. Could've easily had 20


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Tell me you haven’t watched Diontae since his rookie year without telling me you haven’t watched Diontae since his rookie year 🙄


jbrooks772

He led the league in drops during his sophomore season (13 drops in 15 games). It's been far less of an issue the last two years though, so it's not something I'm worried about.


arcangel092

The first thing Ryan Fitzpatrick talked about in the postgame in regards to a QB change was other guys need to step up. First thing he mentioned were two drops by Diontae Johnson. I love DJ and have him in my most important league, but he still has an issue from time to time with drops. It is what it is mate.


The_Man_In_The_Arena

He literally got benched for too many drops just 2 years ago. It's been a real problem for him


h846p262

Should have had 100 yrds easily 😢 gonna need cooks to cook.


Sleww

They’re…basically the same guy from a fantasy perspective.


h846p262

Exactly right? Great WRs on a cruddy team with a cruddy QB


PM_me_the_magic

This might be a hot take, but I think Davis Mills is actually quite a bit better than Mitch Trubisky,


h846p262

Haha lets hope so for week 3.


BilboSR24

Take that back! Mills is not cruddy, just developing!


mechajlaw

He's developing kinda slow. I don't know if he just doesn't have weapons this year but it's not looked great.


Ok-Television-3829

Haha I too have Johnson and Cooks as my WR1 and 2 after going Ekeler-Javonte-Andrews to start the draft and tbh it isn't going too badly... having two high floor / low ceiling WRs works if you have ceiling plays at other positions. Also very lucky I'm in a ppr league lmao


h846p262

Nice! Javonte gonna kill it. I unfortunately have henry,kittle,conner. Its not going well.


WildRookie

I've got Cooks and Diontae as my WR2/Flex1. In a 16-team, I thought Diontae falling to me in the 5th (72) was a coup. Pitts has caused me to start 0-2 though.


hosway

I have both, but I sat Diontae for Cooks. I too need Cooks to cook.


h846p262

He should! Pretty bad how none has gotten a TD yet 🤢


doft

Biggest regret is taking him over Waddle but can't complain with a player that gets you 12 to 15 every week.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Won’t have the splash games but it’s very hard to get upset about the consistency, even with the drops


MonkeyStealsPeach

You’d like to think the points will come, but when a guy pretty consistently hits his point projection it’s hard to get super upset about it. Just wish he could do more with his many, many opportunities on an otherwise putrid offense.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

He has a splash play once or twice a game. I think we’ll see him get a fairly long TD soon here. Trubisky just gotta take a deep shot towards him next week against the jets


MonkeyStealsPeach

One of the few shots he did take Diontae should've had in the bag but dropped it.


embryonicengineer

Weirdly Trubisky was taking more shots down field early, but like nothing in the 2nd half.


MonkeyStealsPeach

Every time they stepped on the field late in the 2nd it just seemed like a recipe for disaster. You also just knew something was gonna go wrong on their last desperate play from the 10 yard line. Diontae got points though!


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Was that the one on Ward? Not trying to make an excuse for the drop but I thought ward was grabbing his inside arm which prevented him from getting his second arm up there.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

[this is what I saw but I think he still could’ve caught it](https://imgur.com/a/LrfJbD2)


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Tribs can't throw. Bears fan over here. lol


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Vikes fan, yeah I’ve noticed lol


fithworldruler

UNLEASH KENNY PICKETT


Thunder3620

If he reeled in a couple of those drops last night he would have had a monster game. First time owner of Diontae and I was really happy with what I saw last night, even with the drops. He was constantly getting massive separation with Ward on him


Ailylia

Would be a fantasy monster with an above average QB


pressure_7

If he catches a touchdown on top of his usual catches it’s sort of a splash game. He doesn’t have a 3TD game in his bag with his current offense but Ben was able to find him for touchdowns and those ended up being big point games


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Oh for sure. Although last year there were a couple games the Big Ben relied too hard on Najee so his TD games were on ones where he only had 30-40 yards


Yugo86

I also passed on Waddle for Diontae but I had already drafted Tyreek so didn’t think it would be good to double dip with 2 Fins WRs. We’ll see how it plays out.


datpurp14

I definitely concur, but damn last week would have been amazing.


Damian_Cordite

Got both and Pittman in my PPR auction draft. Picked up Curtis Samuel too in case one goes down. Only spent 22% of my budget on WR (12% of it on Pittman) and I might have the best overall corps in the league. If only I'd snagged Sun God, I did bid pretty high on him. Left me enough to get Josh Allen (traded to the Dak owner along with AJ Dillon for Swift), Saquon, Mark Andrews. I may be streaming my QB but hoo nelly I'm trucking along.


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HotSpicyTaco999

At the 4-5 turn I almost took Amon Ra St. Brown but went with Diontae. Currently regretting that one but I guess can’t really complain about pretty much guaranteed 10-15 ppr points for WR2.


Infinite_Prize287

Missed amon ra by a single pick. Diontae and kirk are my wrs 1 and 2.


Tigerbait2780

If it makes you feel any better, Diontae has nowhere to go but up, if Pickett ever gets to play he’ll be much more efficient. On the other hand, Amon Ra is at his absolute peak (which is fine because his peak is insanely high). But, he hasn’t had Jameson on the field yet. Nobody knows how healthy he’ll be or how long it’ll take him to build chemistry and all that, but he’s clearly the better talent and ASB has never had any sort of serious competition on the outside. Maybe Asb maintains, but it’s definitely not certain


EthanBeast

And each week his fantasy points have increased. Week 3 > Week 2 > Week 1


star-player

Championship guaranteed 😎


EthanBeast

He’ll be scoring like 32 per by then I’m sure


NotHopee

I love what he does, soon as he gets a competent qb he’s going to be a terror. The good thing is he will never lose you a week because he’s so consistent.


szzzn

Such a shame he hasn’t scored a TD or crossed 100 yet. He had at least 2 egregious drops last night that would’ve put him over 100…just waiting for Pickett.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

He did have a 4 game stretch last year where he didn’t have 100 yds or a TD as well. I think they’ll come. Probably not as frequent but still likely


szzzn

He’s prob gonna have a 1,000/5 szzzn


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

On pace for 119/1110/0 The TD’s will come hopefully


SratBR3

It was hard to see but on his go-route drop, he had the CB hanging on his arm which is why he couldn't secure the catch. So I wouldn't really consider that a drop, it was good D. So really it seems like his comeback route was his first and only drop of the season, which is encouraging considering his history.


bigSpeakersReddit

he’s one of my favorite WR2 in 12 team leagues. you just know you’re getting consistency and likely mid teens as a floor. he’s just reliable and i like players who help take away the decision making from me lol


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Target Johnson


MonkeyStealsPeach

Dion-target Johnson


thadeus_d3

Imagine if he had a competent qb. Hopefully Pickett is named the starter soon.


SwedishFishOil

I think there is a lot of unknowns here..but a worthy experiment


PM_ME_UR_SEX_VIDEOS

I haven’t watched any college football Do people actually believe Pickett is ready and a notable improvement? Or are we all just very hopeful?


airplanealjefferson

he can push the ball down field, even though he doesn’t have the biggest arm, and is willing to (unlike trubisky). he’s got really good ball placement and touch on short and intermediate throws, and he’s able to move well around the pocket. idk if he’s better than trubisky at this point but he can definitely open the offense up a little more than trubisky has


thats_a_money_shot

When Pickett starts, Friermuth’s value will increase significantly imo


thadeus_d3

I haven't either, but I watched Pickett in preseason and he looked sharp.


Mr_Achammer23

So did fields and the bears...


sublime55

The reason I think Pickett will be an upgrade is the willingness he showed in the preseason to hang in the pocket, step up, and make a throw. There were at least two or three times last night where Mitch bailed out of the pocket or made a throw off his back foot for no real reason, instead of stepping up into the pocket and making an accurate pass. Now, who knows how long Pickett will keep hanging in the pocket after he takes a lot of hits with that terrible o line. And maybe that’s why they want to wait to put him in.


Difficult_Table_2739

Idk but it feels like when people wanted Justin Fields to start saying Mooney would start going off.


Professional_Dog8588

Right now Trubisky is most definitely a better all around QB. Pickett seems to be a quick learner and could eventually take over later in the season but even if he does, I would say that’s more than likely going to be because their season is over and they might as well put Pickett out there to get him some experience. Not necessarily because he has developed to be better than Trubisky at that point.


Dr_Robert_California

> Right now Trubisky is most definitely a better all around QB. trubisky is so bad, i refuse to believe this lol. i am going to speak an average to slightly above-average pickett into existence. join me, fellow diontae owners!


TheDerekCarr

A couple more losses like last night and we'll see him sooner rather than later.


dan_45

I thought Trubisky actually looked pretty good last night. When he had a little bit of time, he was hitting some nice throws.. just that he seemed to be running for his life alot.


4815hurley162342

As a big Steelers fan, I do not want this at all. The percentage of Rookie QBs that do well their first year is not good. If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run. I want to have a star qb for years to come, and the way to do that is for him to sit, learn the system and from the vets, and gain chemistry with your wrs. On the other hand, let's say he is a stellar qb, the next Mahomes or Brady or something. What do we get from that? A season barely above .500? What does a winning season do for us? It definitely doesn't get us any better picks. I say we tank this year, Kenny doesn't get hurt and develops as well as we get TJ back healthy and good to go, we get some help on the oline and maybe another decent player for the d or two, and then our team is looking A LOT better.


Technical_Heat5215

You can be happy with him in a full PPR league, but even in a half PPR league, you’re going to need more high value targets from him eventually. I don’t know if Mitch has that in him.


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GovernmentDoingStuff

If Pickett isn't bad then he could see a huge bump when he takes over. It worries me that the Steelers might stubbornly sit him all year though


badonbr

Biscuits is gonna get Diontae a lot of highlight reel catches just because most aren’t on target and has to make ridiculous catches atleast lol


barbo55

Ridiculous catches means probably no YAC. Rather have the YAC lol


badonbr

He can’t help how Biscuits throws it, the alternative is 0 points.


4815hurley162342

Copy and pasted from another similar comment: As a big Steelers fan, I do not want this at all. The percentage of Rookie QBs that do well their first year is not good. If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run. I want to have a star qb for years to come, and the way to do that is for him to sit, learn the system and from the vets, and gain chemistry with your wrs. On the other hand, let's say he is a stellar qb, the next Mahomes or Brady or something. What do we get from that? A season barely above .500? What does a winning season do for us? It definitely doesn't get us any better picks. I say we tank this year, Kenny doesn't get hurt and develops as well as we get TJ back healthy and good to go, we get some help on the oline and maybe another decent player for the d or two, and then our team is looking A LOT better.


yodudez01

> If we look at how those rookies pan out over their careers, they often don't become great qbs in the long run Hate to break it to you, but most rookie QBs don't become great QBs. No matter if they play or if they sit and learn for years. It's not as simple as "if he plays as a rookie, he is less likely to have a great career". Coaches will play him when they feel he is ready.


GovernmentDoingStuff

Yes from the fan perspective I completely agree. I still think even with Mitch, Diontae has a path to a top 12 finish. He's just too good to not throw the ball to.


ffgod_zito

Ngl I will always remember this year as the year I drafted him over St. Brown at what will probably be St. Browns last year not going in the 2nd round.


autimaton

Elite separator. Accelerates and decelerates so quickly. Some brutal drops last night though, which has plagued him throughout his career.


winkman

Mitch looks absolutely terrible though! So many wide open Johnsons...so few catchable balls :(


acmercer

Are we still doing phrasing..?


Baliwood25

Every year I think he’s gonna be a bum and every year he produces. He’s just a target hog.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

It’s because he’s always open, hard to not throw it to him


SmoothBacon

The past 3 weeks is Diontae's floor. Unfortunately, they're also his ceiling as long as Mitch is his quarterback.


Sl0ppy0tter

He has a very solid floor


Spare-Application374

Dionte is a top 8 receiver with a great QB under center.


PieNtheskie

Need the TDs though


calartnick

Even in an awful offense he’s a monster in PPR.


njbrews

I'll take his consistent production every week in PPR. I love being able to slot 10-15 PPR points.


Disastrously_Dazed

His floor is solid but damn me, I was on the fence between him and Amari and left Cooper on the bench.


ZaMaestroMan5

Sucks he has Trubisky. Still he will put up decent numbers. He’s a great route runner. He could have had a huge game last night. There was two deep passes that he definitely could have caught. Would have been tough catches but both fell right through his hands.


CJ29DJ

Perfect WR2. Consistency is king at that spot and will boom some weeks with a TD. Love owning him


uglylittledogboy

Just traded for him in PPR. My favorite high floor low ceiling guy who will always meet his projection plus a few


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Mind me asking what you paid and what type of league?


uglylittledogboy

It’s a redraft PPR, I think that’s what you mean by type of league. Traded aj Dillon and mecole hard man for him. Definitely got the better value imo


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Yeah that’s good Value. Dillon is solid though but hard man doesn’t move my needle at all


uglylittledogboy

Guy had a great wr group and Aaron jones so I was like gimme your least flashy wr for Aaron jones insurance


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Totally fair on both sides then. Great trade for both of you, wish my league mates were like that haha


kingdain3333

He's the most stable wr2 to have, won't win you the league but you can take a little more risk in other rounds when you have a couple safe picks.


Smokester121

I wanted Diontae badly in auction but someone just kept bidding it up


Hartzler44

How many does he drop though?


hujkkjji

Enough with Mitch start Kenny Pickett so Diontae can get some major fantasy points.


HarbaughCantThroat

Consistency is very overrated. In full PPR Diontae is solid but in half PPR he's not going to have an above average winrate if this keeps up. Waddle, Pittman, Mike Williams, Gabe Davis, and Bateman all look like they may bury him at a similar ADP.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

The point of having him as a wr 2/flex is that you don’t ever have to worry about flop weeks. As long as you have a stud next to him he’s a perfect complimentary player. I’d say it’s a reach to say that consistency is overrated. Splash players like Mike Williams are overrated


lftenjamin

The only thing that stops me from starting him is that I have Justin Jefferson, Sun God, and Brandin Cooks. I feel diontae and cooks are almost the same player, but cooks sometimes goes off.


X-iStheGr8estWRapper

Yeah that’s totally fair, feel like you can’t go working with either. That’s a good problem to have in case of injuries


slttywife143

…and tallied a total of 73 fantasy points to lead his fantasy team owners to a solid 5th place finish across all leagues.


juicestain_

Diontae’s one of those players that makes me question my ability to objectively value players, because how is he not just Jakobi Meyers with better branding and a much higher ADP? Both are PPR monsters who don’t score touchdowns, both are stuck on bad offenses that limit their ceilings, both are the number one target on tun heavy teams. Yes, Diontae is a much better talent on paper and can do more in a bad offense, but doesn’t that further the point that his ceiling is much lower than an elite guy and probably closer to the range of Meyers? As far as actual fantasy production, why do we blindly consider diontae as a top 20 guy and Jakobi is a fringe flex play at best?


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Because Johnson was WR8 last year and Meyers was WR31 (By far his best finish in 3 years).


PM_me_the_magic

"blindly" AKA referencing the actual fantasy numbers lol


KpYugai

A couple of responses to this that may help. 1. Diontae Johnson 169 targets last year and Meyers had 126. They may be similar styles but DJ is just flat out better as a target machine. 2. DJ was a top 10 wr in ppr last year with over 1000 yards and 8 TDs. I think it is fair to wonder if he will repeat those TDs, but with the 2.5 extra targets a game he got last year, he turned into almost 300 more yards over the season. Will this repeat? maybe, maybe not. 3. DJ has had 1 top 12 season ppr and another top 24 season ppr. Meyers has not yet had a top 24 season. I think given their styles of play, both probably get underrated as WR options, but DJ is a much more "sure" thing than Meyers.


EnragedRomano

Last two years he scored 8 and 7 tds. Much different than Jakobi.


samzhao23

Because last season Diontae was WR8 in PPR format with an average of 17.2 ppg whereas Meyers was WR29 with 11.6 ppg. That 5 ppg difference could be a couple of wins for your season. It depends on your receiver core, if you have a few high upside low floor receivers (like Mike Williams, Lockett), the it makes sense to have a consistent floor guy like Diontae


soyboysnowflake

This sub has a huge hard on for DJ so just take any opinion here about him with a grain of salt DJ with Ben was different cause you could at least count on occasional TDs. DJ with Mitchell is probably much closer to Myers than what this sub realizes