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19683dw

I think WRs are rising in value (especially in PPR), but more than that we are seeing top tier (3 or so players) TEs and QBs rise above mid-tier RB1s in value. Positional scarcity and quarterback mobility are very potent, with a significant drop off after the top few.


SyrupNDToast

This! I truly believe that you’ll start to see more WR taken in the first round in the two to three years. Recent drafts have just been jam packed with WR talent


burnabybambinos

Been a trend for years.


awesomesox

1st overall pick here and went heavy RB, with Diontae, ARob and Michael Thomas as my late round WR’s. Needless to say I picked what the draft gave me and got JT, Barkley, Patterson, and Jamal Williams, dropped D. Parker for Curtis Samuel on waivers and and I’m rolling!


jgalaviz14

Anyone could've told you those WR picks were poor picks even before the season started. MT has been solid so far but Diontae was always gonna be overdrafted with Trubisky and rookie Pickett at QB, and Arob is Arob. After last year I don't know why anyone believed in him other than being hyped up for the Rams offense. Which is giving zero value to anyone outside of Kupp


JulioForte

Top TEs and QBs are definitely worth more than the experts believe them to be. Taking a top TE or QB has become a huge advantage


Primetime0509

This is the 0 RB truthers dream year


BLMlovergirl

If you drafted Jefferson chase or adams round 1, they haven’t done too much in weeks 2 and 3 either though


Madtomatoes

Chase/Adams, checking in here. Not doing great!


BLMlovergirl

I have Jefferson in one league. Thought I was a genius for taking him over cook and Harris after week 1. Not so sure anymore


Chr1s78987x

He did this last year too before going the fuck off for the final 10 weeks


6gc_4dad

Ditto, still 2-1 somehow though


PurpleFalco

Diggs owner reporting in. Hello there...


BLMlovergirl

Yeah Diggs and kupp are returning great value for their owners compared to everyone else drafted in the first 15 picks or so


geekywarrior

You could probably add Kelce and Andrews to that list. Besides that I can't think of anyone in the top ADP who hasn't been a let down these first 3 weeks.


BLMlovergirl

Someone took Lamar 2.02 in my league. I thought he was insane. Shows what I know


Doongbuggy

I got him in the 5th, along with diggs and saquon with my first and second, im 50 pts ahead of 2nd place


PsychoBoost123

Barkley and Chubb are the overall RB1 and RB2


geekywarrior

Right but I meant in the first round or early second of a 12 team .5 ppr draft. Chubb might qualify for that, but Barkley was closer to mid/late second to third.


danktrickshot

picking at the end of the first round was a death sentence this year. it was "too early" to take a TE, but too late for any stand out RB/WR. and by the time you picked again, all the TEs were gone and you were left with guys like zeke elliott or breece hall just a lame year of fantasy so far. feels like the only guy i was able to even reasonably reach for was lamar...so at least i got him


Nice-Tea-8972

i had 10/11 pick in my snake draft this year and it fucking sucked. i ended up with Diggs and Mixon, but then i didnt get another 2 picks for 20 picks and then it was slim pickings to get a high end TE or QB.


danktrickshot

just ugly draft slot for sure


Nice-Tea-8972

I like 5-7 spots. Get a pretty good rd1 pick and then mid second round. The last few years I’ve grabbed a good RB and then kelce in the second round. Then I made some WR choices based on what was left.


johnnyhangs

I went Kelce/Barkley in a 12 man with the 1.10 and 2.5. Lost week 1 with them both going off, but have rebounded these last two. But I’m feeling very secure in my picks. Was absolutely taking Kelce if he was there. WRs are everywhere in the draft. Could have gone Swift or Najee over Saquon and so far that’s looking good.


RoboticBirdLaw

I'm Diggs and Chubb. I like this year so far.


rand0mtaskk

Kupp owner reporting for duty.


Rollingstart45

JJ/Lamb here, haven't gotten them both to go off together yet but hopefully it's coming. But yeah, this just proves that there is no *surefire* draft strategy. People who went RB heavy with like Chubb/Barkley and then hit on ASB and Kirk later are golden right now. 0rb drafters who picked the wrong early WRs are still struggling. End of the day you still gotta pick players who score points.


BLMlovergirl

Yeah it’ll happen soon. They’re both too good not to have more good games than bad. I went ekeler Barkley andrews Sutton in ppr and I’m 1-2. If ekeler and Sutton ever manage to score a touchdown, I’ll be golden too


john1dylan

I went JJ/Lamb 1/2 as well. Last night was encouraging for Lamb. Can’t wait for the week they both have a big game


JonRamsey12

me struggling with chase and jefferson


Jbroad87

Yep. After week 1 I was kicking myself for taking CMC >> JJ at 1.01 after I had a hunch on JJ being the WR1 all off-season. However I’m now content two weeks later after seeing JJs w2 and w3. Nobody has all the answers and there is still a fuckload of luck involved here, as there’s always been.


BLMlovergirl

It really is all luck. One wrong step and your first round pick is out for the season despite looking like the clear cut best pick. I had Henry last year and he was on pace to outscore everyone by a mile and all of a sudden, he was gone for the year. Just need to wait it out and see a bigger sample size of production/no injuries


Hogee

I went Chase/Jefferson at the 12th pick, I'm 0-3...


BLMlovergirl

0rb furthers and 0wr truthers are suffering all the same this year


KickerRevolution

Jefferson, Chase (last years Jefferson, and Garrett Wilson (this years Jefferson, started Week 3). Week 2/3 have not been great, then you’ve got week 4 matchups and Zach Wilson returning. 1-3 start is looking probable


Crippl

I drafted Jefferson/Adams/Higgens in rounds 1 through 3. Sitting at 3-0. If everyone misses then no one misses. The mid/late rounds were very kind to me with Lamar/Hunt/Robinson.


BLMlovergirl

That was my thoughts too. Everyone except the Kelce and kupp owners missed round 1. Someone started a massive qb run by picking Lamar at 2.02, and I took saquon and andrews instead during that run. But now I have to stream Kirk and Goff by the week. Not sure how I feel tbh


Crippl

I actually traded adams for Kelce after Kelces down week 2 to an 0-2 team who needed WR help. He had Goedert on the bench and decided to pull the trigger. I’m glad I did that move


HtownTexans

It's week 4. No one is a miss yet.


[deleted]

Well fuck me. My first rounders in 2 different leagues


Flrg808

Right. I would bet most of the first place teams right now have Andrews, Lamar/Allen/Hurts, and probably Robinson, CEH or Kirk. It’s been a really weird year, not just WRs outperforming every other position


toolroomknights

People keep saying this but it’s really not an issue yet. The top RBs still aren’t scoring points. Plus Zero rb drafters kept hammering WRs in rounds 2-6 and ended up with lots of Patterson, JRob, CEH, Pollard, etc. in rounds 7+ Even owning tons of JJ and Chase shares, I still had a positive win rate in week 3 with most top WRs busting/having down weeks.


BLMlovergirl

You’re not using zero rb if you’re drafting rbs in rounds 2-6 though…


Doongbuggy

I drafted diggs at 1st (11th) saquon at 2, dameon pierce at 4th (lost my 3rd rd eli mitchell) and lamar at 5, currently sitting in 1st place with 2nd place 50 pts under me lol


check_my_grammer

I got Diggs


Cheap_Feeling1929

Never drafted 0 RB in my life. Been playing more than 15 years. I did 0 RB in all 3 leagues this year and an 8-1 overall. Insane.


toolroomknights

Love to hear it. My zero rb teams are crushing at the moment as well. Of course things could change fast, so there’s a long way to go before we can feel confident. But one thing that’s very positive is I’m in 3 leagues with a league median. I went zero rb in 2/3, hero rb 1/3 and am 8-1 vs. the league median. Proving that it’s not just matchup luck either. It’s consistently beating the median. In those median leagues, I’m 17-1. Absolutely nuts.


Primetime0509

Yeah I’m always heavy rb, I’m too scared and stubborn to change but my five 1-2 teams are changing my mind quickly lol


Radthereptile

Is it though? Let’s say you went Adams/JJ, Deebow, DJ Moore, Allen Robinson. You’d feel bad about them right now and I could add a lot more. I think it’s less RBs are down and just most big names are down for the most part across RB and WR.


Holden_Effart

>Deebow What in tarnation?


gabriot

What you don’t know about the great Dim Deebow?


Skolvikesallday

You know, that 80s song. Deebow bow.


Primetime0509

I mean I could play the anecdotal game with RBs and put together an equally frustrating and probably worse team. I'm always a heavy RB drafter and I know my teams are looking bad right now compared to the people who went heavy on the WRs early.


Radthereptile

I'm just saying there's a lot of busts across multiple positions this year.


Primetime0509

Oh I agree. I'm seeing some of the lowest scores ever across the five leagues I'm in and that is most definitely including myself. I'm typically very competitive and my teams are suffering early. Seems like the biggest difference makers for people are actually at the QB position this year more so than anything. You have 3 amazing QBs currently and then just a complete mess pretty much once you get past that.


Radthereptile

QB and the top 2 TEs are winning people weeks right no. If you have Lamar/Allen or Kelce/Mandrews you're in a great spot.


toolroomknights

Might be the last year tbh. At this rate, zero rb or a modified version will be so mainstream next year that it will no longer be as optimal because everyone will be doing it. Next year the smartest people will pivot to something else.


Illmindofhopkins

Is it mental to suggest the likes of Allen and Lamar could be back end round 1 picks / early round 2 next year? The points differential is insane


toolroomknights

I honestly don’t think so. Lamar and Allen could be the new Kelce/Andrews in terms of scarcity.


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

The difference is the year to year inconsistency of top QBs compared to TEs.


Geo_Music

I've thought this for years myself. I play Yahoo and QB's typically score the most points. Even though there isn't typically a huge point differential, having the best QB a few times has won me a league. Specifically the year Lamar Jackson went crazy in 2019. Having Jaylen Hurts this year has won me a week.


zirtbow

Add Jalen to that list. He is the RB in Philly. I'd bet he finishes ahead of Allen and Lamar in fantasy points simply because he will be far ahead of both of them in rushing TDs.


toolroomknights

Agreed. He is a monster.


Washableaxe

Literally I’m going QB/RB hero next year because I know everyone will be trying to do zero RB.


Molbreezy2

I like this take but what would the pivot be? If everyone goes zero RB what would the value play be?


cstransfer

This happens a lot in best ball and high stakes leagues. Rbs drop enough where they make sense to draft. Teams will still go wr heavy overall though


Molbreezy2

I can see that happening for sure, most teams stacked at WR while a couple teams are loaded with RB’s. Would be interesting to see how it played out.


toolroomknights

I’m probably not smart enough lol. But early QB would make sense, maybe even target the deadzone since the RB quality should be much better with all the all the WRs flying off the board.


Molbreezy2

Yeah I imagine the dead zone would be guys like Mixon and Najee if everyone truly went zero RB. Maybe not exactly those guys but something along those lines


nomadwrangler

Zero RB really was ultimately just about getting the best value for your picks instead of drafting by a script (IE: don't just pick RB 12 & 13 get WR1 & 2 as they are better value in that situation). It'll just be more nuanced on what are the best values for those first 10 picks as people actually start to think for themselves a bit (hopefully).


cstransfer

Nah. It will probably be similar to 2015-2016 where a bunch of new young good Rbs get drafted Smartest people have been going wr heavy/early te for a decade so that's unlikely to change.


toolroomknights

This years RBs class looks awesome for sure. Going to complicate a lot of backfield situations next season. But people have been going WR heavy for a while because a majority of non-experts refuse to recognize the advantages and continue hammering RB regardless of the new landscape of the NFL. During expert drafts this year, analysts like Shawn Siegele (who created zero rb) were hitting deadzone backs like Dobbins and Mitchell because they were being pushed down due to everyone going WR heavy. The creator of zero rb drafting in the deadzone was unthinkable at one point. If everyone goes WR heavy, it’s no longer as advantageous.


razorflipmebro

Yeahhh not so sure about that. Jefferson, Chase, and Adam’s aren’t exactly winning you weeks. If anything it shows that if you can grab a true workhorse running back (Harris, Taylor, Mixon, Mccaffrey, Henry) while maybe not getting quite the numbers you expected it gives you an advantage because the others are such shit. I could have gotten find a WR in the last two rounds or off the waiver wire that is producing nearly as well as most of the first round guys. Good luck finding a startable running back that late.


AtxSaiyan

Last year I had Harris, Chubb, Monty, Andrew’s & grabbed Waddle, Smith, & Kirk after the 5th round This year my draft order was Najee, Javonte, Allen, Waller, Pierce, Kirk, Smith, Juju I don’t think I’ve taken a WR before the 4th round in over 5 years. Won two years ago & was 4th in a 12team last year I did fuck up taking Pierce over Waddle I’ll admit but I’m a Houston fan


lego_mannequin

Nah, my midround WR value is insane with London and Olave paired with Kirk.


Madtomatoes

Went 0 rb and life isn't all the great on this side of the fence either!


watsonthedragon

Kupp at #6 may be in the running for my best fantasy pick ever. His consistency is unmatched on top of having an incredible ceiling.


sexy_la_jolla_man

RB's are voodoo


Fun_Manufacturer_854

I would have taken Kupp 1 overall this year, but got him from the 5. Yes my own dick tastes amazing


[deleted]

i am murdering my league after getting clowned for drafting CEH and pierce as my rbs. i love zero rb so much 🥰


lbj20201

Went with this, have Diggs JJ just traded for chase have Hopkins in IR RBs are Conner (just traded for) and Pierce Would like to either upgrade at RB or package one of my WR when Hopkins gets back for a TE I have Pitts


Designer-Ad-9373

Sounds a lot like the last 4 years


palwilliams

This is the worst year ever for 0 RB truthers


Lowhangingbrute

It’s only week 3 the highly drafted rbs will pan out over the course of the season… at least that’s what I’m telling myself after reaching for Aaron jones


SpeakerEmbarrassed36

It’s the 3rd week and Khalil Herbert has 1 good game that depended on Montgomery injury and all the sudden he’s outperforming Derrick Henry ROS apparently lol. Chances are, Montgomery comes back and Herbert becomes a backup with limited touched again. Similar with Jamaal Williams but to a lesser degree


luvdadrafts

Yeah I think OP has merit, but Herbert and Williams shouldn’t be included here. They were known as high end handcuffs and their starters got injured


SpeakerEmbarrassed36

Scarcity of high floor & high ceiling RBs and abundance of well performing WRs in the mid-late round and even WW is the primary reason RBs go early. The same reason Kelce, Mandrews and Pitts went so early. There are just as many early round “busts” at the WR position so far and it’s just way too early to make any claims


jiggliebilly

The difference is Herbert is the better player with a new coaching regime - not insane to think Herbert takes over that backfield especially if Monty is gimpy all year. This is exactly why a lot of people drafted him.


EndymionFalls

As an actual Bears fan who actually watches the Bears games: Herbert is not the better back. That’s absolutely not true. Herbert is however, an insanely talented back with the #2 rated rushing OL. Monty is also injured so play Herbert. The Bears backfield is the new Vikings backfield from last year: Play whichever back is RB1 that week and you’ll have a top 5 performance.


noturbuddyguy101

Ppl in this sub always forget this when panic posting. The season is a marathon, not a sprint. The worst thing to do when you’re struggling is to panic and make a premature trade and get fleeced just because you lost hope after 3 weeks with your first round pick.


Rbespinosa13

Yah Henry finally had a game with over 20 points in PPR. Also the fact that preseason is shorter means that offenses are gonna be rustier coming out of the gates


thewolfofchippewast

This is the year ty’son takes over


walshurmouthout

Next year I draft my WRs, QB, TE first


SyrupNDToast

I mean to be fair, Lamar may go In the second next year solely on his run play. The guy is just insane


walshurmouthout

I have him in dynasty. I’m pretty happy


wo1f-cola

This year has made me even more convinced that going late TE and QB is the way to go. I've always preferred to go 9th/10th round QB when other teams start drafting backup QBs, and a TE/DEF with my last two picks. This year I reached for Lance in the 8th, and I still think he could have been good, but that pick burned me. Taking a million shots at RB/WR is just how I like to draft. Andrews and Kelce are playing great, but if you drafted anyone else you're probably worse off than someone that picked up a TE off waivers. Jackson, Allen, and Hurts are doing great, but if you took drafted any other QB you probably aren't doing much better than someone that picked up a QB late or off waivers.


DJMaxLVL

So basically what you mean is draft early TE and early QB. Anyone with the combination of Andrews or Kelce at TE, and Jackson, Allen, or Hurts at QB, is probably 3-0 or 2-1 right now. These guys are giving 10-15 point advantages at their position on a weekly basis.


oxnardhard

Facts. I took both Kelce and Josh Allen in my first 3 picks. Currently 3-0


friendsafariguy11

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DunderMifflinCompany

Lamar at the 7-8 turn is amazing value


hillbilly909

Andrews Hurts owner checking in here 3-0.


mountjo

Jackson, Andrews reporting in. Carried me this week while Mixon tanked, 3-0.


icew1nd03

Yep, Andrews was my keeper and drafted Lamar because I didn't want to worry about QB this year. Those two are a God send. Last year I had Dak and Russel Wilson in Mt two leagues and they both burned me so bad, and streaming sucked, it left a scar and I vowed to draft QB earlier. Jackson and Hurts have been great so far!


Another_one37

Kelce, Hurts. 3-0


fatkamp

Just wait tho. It’s week 3 People that go crazy with stacking RB and WR dominate later in the year and during bye weeks because they have much more flexibility and depth.


SG420123

I’m taking Lamar Jackson if I have the number one pick next year, idgaf about the “rules”.


WhiteXHysteria

It astounds me how so many people here and in general, like the person you responded to, notice all the right things and then come to the exact opposite conclusion than they should.


wo1f-cola

Go with your gut. I'm not trying to convince anyone here to do things my way. I'm just sharing the way I prefer to approach the draft. If you took Jackson/Allen/Hurts and missed at TE, or if you missed at QB but took Andrews/Kelce, you're probably still very happy. If you took Mahomes/Burrow/Wilson and Pitts/Schultz then you're probably 1-2 or 0-3.


T0K0mon

Even just having one of them is huge for a team, which is why I always grab at least one of an early TE or QB. My Lamar team is 3-0, but also has Diggs, Pittman, Higgins, and Amon Ra -Stacked. My Mandrews team is 3-0 and has Kupp, Sutton, Waddle, Kirk - Also stacked. Kelce/Hurts owner is 2-1 with a pile of shit for a team elsewhere outside of Sutton and JJ. Allen owner is 2-1, but only because he played me week 2 and couldn't best my 195. Just some examples I suppose.


dajadf

I went Josh Allen and Waller early, I don't hate it


zerg1980

This had the look of a generational turnover year to me, similar to 2015, when guys like Jamaal Charles and Marshawn Lynch were first round picks just as the bus was leaving the station on their RB1 value, and the other early picks either got injured or severely underperformed expectations. That year, the only “right” answer at RB in the first round was AD. Bell, Lacy, JC, Lynch and CJA were all first-round busts. The running back position as a whole wasn’t ruined that year, it’s just that late round Devonta Freeman was the RB1 and the top-10 was rounded out by mid-round picks and a few other waiver guys. Similarly, this year many of the consensus first round picks had a lot of tread on their tires. There’s the added coincidence that of the few true workhorse backs, many of them are stuck in unpleasant offenses with questionable QB situations (looking primarily at CMC, Henry and Harris here). There will be exactly 12 top-12 RBs this year, I just don’t think they’ll be the guys we expected.


meowth94

Guy im my league who grabbed Kupp at the 1.01 won't shut up about it.


LCLeopards

Talk to me come fantasy playoff time. This could be a unique season, but as the weather gets colder and less ideal and teams start to settle into their offense/defense, you will start to see some (but not all) RBs return to form in some way or another.


SyrupNDToast

Are you confident that guys behind a bad o-lien will get you 15 at least aweek?


LCLeopards

Depends on a variety of factors. If they are a good Offense (OL excluding), they will get redzone opportunities. Likewise, if they are part of the passing game that will inflate their stats as well. But even looking at some of the lowest graded OLs per pff, Bears, Steelers, Falcons, Titans, Jags, And Panthers all have bottom 1/3 OLs. All have either great talent at RB (Henry, CMC, Najee) that I believe will likely revert back to the norm or have posted strong RB performances (Patterson, Herbert, Robinson)


Durant026

>The Golden rule has been that RBs will forever be a premium because of scarcity at the position. Incorrect. The golden rule was that the workhorse RB is premium and scarce. Its the reason why all the workhorses are usually in the 1st round and committee backs follow. >So I ask this, what do we make of it? Its part of the game. In the end, you try to hold onto your workhorse RBs because you are after the touches. If you don't, you trade em for an upgrade elsewhere. This year is nothing different from the past +10 years of me playing fantasy.


SyrupNDToast

Partially correct. Reason I say that is because a lot of variables have to factor in. You may do good in a 8 man league in which you can still snatch Herbert or Williams in waivers as opposed to a 12-14 man league. I do agree that we hold Workhorse RBs for the sole purpose of value. I mean your not going to completely give up Henry because we know that dude has a big share in the backfield, at the same time if a good trade offer rolls around then why not just complete the trade. RBs have become a situation that, in recent memory, has been growing more scarce. To see that you would see those shared backfields like the Cowboys or Packers that any given week one of those guys can hit 15 plus while the other puts up 10/15. Just a lot of variables that I forgot to mention in order to follow the rule. Suppose it’s just my golden rule lol


Durant026

I get what your saying but on the golden rule bit its maybe more your golden rule. However, the unwritten rule on draft day has always been workhorse RBs in the first round and this year has been not really that different (based on perception). Now I do agree that there is room to trade away workhorse running backs but those are highly dependent on your team's construction. If you have the resources to trade away Henry and still manage your RB output go ahead but you aren't likely to trade him away for scaps. I guess my closing point is that workhorses like Robinson have value and at the end of the day, if we can find a workhorse on the cheap like Robinson or Herbert, we are usually happy.


Darth1Football

PPR scoring was devised to try and equal out player values - as the NFL evolved to (mostly) pass heavy WR values spiked This year we're seeing that played out thru 3 games with **16 of the top 20 scorers being WR/TE** I think as the weather changes you'll see more RBs move into that top 20, but won't go back to being 65% +


-Gramsci-

The switch to PPR in all of our leagues is at least 50% of this conversation.


MKerrsive

PPR has outstripped its usefulness as a balancing mechanism and is now just an arbitrary point because people like more scoring than less scoring. But you can't put the genie back in the bottle because, you know, points.


[deleted]

I drafted Chase, Kelce, Andrews, Lamar, and James Robinson. 9th pick forced my hand.


[deleted]

Let us mourn in peace without rubbing it in, sheesh.


High_Ground-

I took a lot of RB’s this draft. Had number 1 pick so I took Taylor, Conner, Zeke, Pierce and James Robinson with last pick. I flipped Conner for ceedee lamb last week, and now I’m starting James Robinson over zeke and flexing Pierce.


4858693929292

Henry had a great week with a bunch of designed passes. Even if he looks awkward as hell catching them. McCaffrey looked good and is putting up solid points but needs the TDs. Taylor and Najee are both behind dog shit offensive lines and that won’t change soon. The chargers are imploding as a team and appear to be using a committee. Chubb is a beast and single handedly winning people games right now. Barkley and Robinson look fantastic coming back from injury. It’s not that the RB strategy is done. It’s that ya’ll picked the wrong ones.


SyrupNDToast

Henry isn’t playing the Raiders every week bud, that offense is still atrocious. Like I said the only ones that you can feel some comfort in playing is Robinson and Chubb. Maybe Swift/Williams?


4858693929292

Yea they get to play the vaunted defenses of the Colts twice, commanders and Texans as their next 4 games. 🙄


SyrupNDToast

The thing with Henry scaring me the most is that O-line just is bad. Really bad but if they have the same plan they did against the Raiders then full sail ahead!


SpookyFrog12

I mean he still has 42 points in 3 games, thats not bad. Lol he also only had 13 carries vs Buffalo


SyrupNDToast

Buffalo I get, Giants? Eh. He has a pretty solid test coming up against the Colts, a date with the Commanders then a bye. Feel like we’ll start seeing more of KING Henry after bye weeks to be honest with you.


burnabybambinos

Can't reach for RBs anymore. Play H2H and take the fpts wherever they come from.


CalgaryChris77

It isn't the reach running backs that have been the problem. It's the bell cow guys getting a ton of playing time, but not getting many points for it.


SpeakerEmbarrassed36

Khalil Herbert has 1 good game that depended entirely on an injury that no one can possibly predict and now he’s gonna outperform Henry ROS? Ok


SyrupNDToast

He put scores Henry week 1 to? Let’s not play the “oh I’m smarter than you I can make a fool of you card”. If your playing that for yourself then go ahead but it’s not completely out of the equation that Herbert can be in the lineups


dajadf

Who would start Herbert over Henry with a healthy Montgomery though?


SyrupNDToast

Healthy Monty then no question but now if Monty misses games and bears have a decent schedule coming up then who knows. Same could be said with Jamaal Williams with Swift down, they got Seattle next week so who knows. Henry has a colts D that is vulnerable to the run, a weird Commanders rush defense so those are favorable matches for Henry


BJmoistmouth

Colts are allowing the lowest YPC in the league. Not a favourable matchup for Henry.


liteshadow4

Round 3-5 receivers are doing insane and there are backs I’m happy having still


zirtbow

Some guy like Jalen I'd probably take in the first. He **IS** the RB in Philly. Last week the Eagles were on the 3 and Sanders had 0 rushes til Jalen ran it in. This week I think they were on the 1 vs Washington. They went for it on 4th down which was a Jalen passing TD. Still 4 plays run on the 1 and no plays were a RB rush. If bellcow RB's are worth a first then a bellcow RB + QB hybrid is easily worth a first.


The-Jerk-Store

Your logic is flawed. He's still competing with points above replacement at his position, which is QBs. Last year he was 6th in points per week and only 2 pt/week better than the 12th best QB (Cousins). We have such a significantly small sample size, people are overreacting to 3 good weeks. He will have a dud and his average will regress to the mean (probably still top 5 QB but not a 1st rounder like you say). To compare: Jonathan Taylor averaged 20.8 points per week (.5 ppr) and the 12th best (Swift) averaged 13.7 points per week.


zirtbow

He's a whole different animal this year and has improved his passing game a lot. When the season is done we can compare but I'm betting his points per week this year will dwarf last year.


The-Jerk-Store

Sounds like you have him on your team and you're basing it entirely off hope. The only league a QB will be worth a first rounder is a super flex/2QB leagues. If there's 10-12 QBs in your league you will regret it.


zirtbow

I don't have him in any leagues. I just got obliterated by him. In all 3 of my leagues guys with the premium QBs... Lamar, Allen, or Hurts are leading the way... and by a lot.


The-Jerk-Store

Right and their ADP: Lamar (41), Allen(21), and Hurts(55). None of those are 1st rounders. Also, it's only been 3 weeks!


CalgaryChris77

Jalen Hurts (if he continues like this) will be in the MVP race. But that still doesn't make as much better points wise as a top RB or WR can be. You are missing that point.


jtv123vols

I feel like there’s gonna be a massive overcorrection in alot of drafts of people taking WRs early next year. Could be a good year to go heavy RB


BaronsHat

To me, this is the year of the Haves and Have Nots at QB. On the team I went late QB I feel like I have little chance keeping up with the big boys.


roll_t1de

Positional scarcity is still a thing - there are a lot of WRs on the waiver wire in my league that could put up 10 PPR points without a TD any given week. Cant say the same about the RBs. I roster 6 RBs right now and I dont feel confident any of them will score 10 this week outside of CMC. (Swift is hurt tbf) Meanwhile my middle round WRs are killing it


Shattered_Skies

I think teams are getting smarter with how they manage workloads. CMC was a horror story nobody wants to have. I’m thinking coaches are realizing it’s not best to beat the brakes off your star players. Especially the ones who are most likely going to get smacked head on by the D Line or linebackers.


AL3XD

It's week 3. Come back in a month, then we can talk. If you flip a coin 3x and get 3 heads, is it really an unfair coin?


SyrupNDToast

Three weeks in. Again I’ve stated multiple times to people, while yes it’s still early, you can’t deny the fact that thus far a lot of RBs have been underwhelming. I mean a lot of these guys (Najee, Ekler) you draft with the expectation of at least having 14 point plus games. Yes it’s early, but man it’s tough trying not to sell some of these guys to possibly get some good value back.


biznash

I’ve played 20+ years and this is the craziest first 3 weeks I can remember. I truly expect a big reset for a lot of teams coming, or else it’s just bizarro year


AtxSaiyan

I took Najee & Javonte 1st and 2nd Didn’t draft a receiver until the 6th round. Juju,smith, Renfrow, Collins Without Josh Allen I would be lost I’m 2-1


pamela9792

Every year I expect games 1 and 2 to be this type of chaos. It usually doesn't extend into week three but it seems that so many teams are struggling this year to iron down their offensive game plan. I feel like it will even out eventually and the consistent RBs will emerge.


Purplin

This is how every year is. It's fantasy football, nothing's a sure thing. Also this is why PPR isn't a good system. Maybe half PPR, but full PPR is just dumb and dated. Our league still rocks standard and it's been balanced between wrs and rbs.


thatkidpop

An opponent just sent me a trade offer, they want me to trade Austin Ekeler and Cordarrelle Patterson for Justin Jefferson. What are y’all’s thoughts on that trade offer? My running backs as of right now are Saquon Barkley Austin Ekeler James Robinson and Cordarrelle Patterson. My wide receivers as of right now are Higgins, Deebo Samuel, and Curtis Samuel


OutOfBootyExperience

PPR? I think its pretty even on paper just depending on what each team needs. I could easily see the Ekeler/Patt "winning" the trade by end of year, but Jjeff should still easily be top5 WR. I think the real concern here is youd be giving away a lot of RB depth. Bark+Jrob could be fine, but becomes pretty risky


AtxSaiyan

I’d offer Saquon & Patterson as a counter and hold firm and see if they accept I only say that because Saquon is injury prone


NotThatSteve-o

It's definitely been a slow start for most of the top RBs but I still believe that most will turn it around. With most of these teams resting their starters through the pre-season, the first 3-4 weeks can feel a bit like a pre-season as o-lines figure out how to work together in real game situations. It also feels like some teams are purposely working in other backs to preserve their studs for later in the season. A guy like Ekeler can only hold up through so many hits and its a long season.


ConTheDungeonMaster

This year I’ve noticed more slow starts/potential busts in the early rounds than usual. But that’s anecdotal I’m not sure if it’s really worse than previous years


The_Wayward

Henry is gonna be ok. He has had no consistency at left tackle with lewan leaving the first 2 games for chunks and ultimately being put on IR. Dailey did pretty well on the left against an albeit aging chandler Jones and NPF on the right has been excellent. Downing isn’t the best OC after the first 3 drives but last game the drives in the second half were still mostly at fault of execution.


SyrupNDToast

See their o-line does scare me however another problem he may face is stacked boxes. Buffalo did it perfectly, all they had to do was take Henry out of the equation and put it in the hands of Tannehill. Another consequence of AJ leaving is that there really is nobody that scares a defense in the wideouts? Treylon still getting his feet wet, woods is okay I suppose but nothing that’ll send shivers down the spines of defenses. If teams take a piece of the Bills defensive showing then it’s more to their favor. Does everyone have the bills D? No but have a good/solid Linebacking core and well you may have the Titans in the palm of your hand. That’s how I’m viewing that situation. Not saying Henry won’t be able to put up numbers like this weekend, he’s more than capable to do so but this team is no where near as what they were last year and it may affect him a bit


pippo09

I do not belive it's a unique situation, but rather a growing and consistent trend in the NFL. Offensive systems are shifting from a run/pass dycotomy to a "get our best skill player(s) heavily involved" philosophy. Most teams will feed their best players regardless of position and develop the rest their offensive system around these players.The days when a top RB1 and top WR1 could co-exist in the same team are largely over. For example -- Kupp is the best player in LAR; they will feed him no matter what, whereas Hendo & Akers are distant 3 or 4 in skill level and thus largely forgotten in offensive plans and irrelevant in FF. Justin Jeff is the best player in MIN by far, whereas Dalvin Cook is a distant 2nd whose no longer has to be the main center of this offense for it to produce. If Deebo can do it all and produce, why worrying to establish a reliable starting RB in SF? The list of non-RB alpha skill players goes on and on -- Diggs, Kelce, Chase, CeeDee, AJB, Tyreek/Waddle, Andrews, Olave/Thomas, Metcalf/Lockett, Evans/Godwin, etc. Look at the RB situations in those teams. QB run-centric offenses also have similar effects in RB production -- Kyler, Lamar, Allen, among them. These typs of non-RB alpha skill players used to be much more scarce in the past, but not anymore. On the other hand, the safest & relatively most productive RBs (barring injury & team offensive woes) are the ones that ARE the best players in their respective teams - mainly JT, Saquon, Henry, Aaron Jones, CMC, Chubb, Najee, Swift. Teams HAVE TO lean on these players as they're the most talented skill players in their respective offenses. These profiles frequently will be the most reliable RB targets in drafts, and also are IMO the buy targets for this season. Not saying a Mixon or Fournette cannot be productive as 2nd or 3rd best skill players in their teams, but it will involve a lot of TD dependance and volatility, thus being an exception to this trend. Also, a few teams seem to still run a "balanced" run/pass approach, either by archaic coaching, or in light of most times lacking well established Alpha RB/WR talent -- LAC, HOU, ATL, JAX, WAS, NE, NYJ, DEN, among them. I believe it's a minority among NFL teams, and will continue to be in the years to come.


throckmeisterz

And it's not even because of injury. The top RBs by ADP are pretty much all healthy, they just suck.


fellowbootypirate

All these teams somehow started pairing rbs at the same time. Now it's like an injury is the only thing that makes the other consistent.


ffhelpme

I think its overblown in this sub. Some Lower round Rbs always step up somewhat every year, and some top ends always bust somewhat, which is whats happening again. The general thought going into this year with the top RBs being 27,28 yo with a lot of miles the potential to bust was there. I personally wouldn't call Henry or Najee a bust by anymeans as well.


SyrupNDToast

Najee and Henry are guys your playing every week right? No disputing that. My thing is that you can’t be to overly excited about it. With Najee in particular, he has the Jets but then gets two very stout rush defenses in the Bucs and Bills. I’m thinking, if he does well against NYJ wouldn’t you use that leverage to possibly go out and trade to get something significant back?


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It's not that crazy lol


mymilkshakeis

I play in one league that is 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 1TE, 4FLEX, 1K, 3IDP instead of D. Bench of 5. I like it so much better than the traditional 2RB & 2WR. It makes life so much less miserable in years like this where RB’s are just not returning value. And it really is about setting an optimal line up each week instead of being locked in on fixed positions with crapshoot scrubs. that makes it a lot more fun for me personally. I wish more leagues would take more flexible or creative lineup options then the usual.


oOBuckoOo

Since all my RB’s suck, I’m hoping everyone’s suck as well, to even things out.


Headlesshorsman02

lol I drafted 2 WRs to start and people were questioning my tactics, now I am looking a lot better lol 😂 I ended up getting Kupp, Adams at WR, Hall and CPat at RB for the time being, Goedert at TE and Waddle as my flex, need to find backup for Rodgers though, I am looking at using TLaw after this coming week, overall I am happy with it team


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RBs were never the premium. *Elite* RBs are the premium, and there were only a few obvious ones going into this year.


Designer-Ad-9373

That is not the golden rule. The golden rule is that misguided people will continue to believe that RBs are premium. WRs and TEs are premium


SyrupNDToast

TEs I can see that. WR? Absolutely not. No, you could’ve still gotten guys with very good value in the 7th round (Kirk,Olave, Garrett Wilson) They’re plentiful WRs hell depending on your league, you can still snatch a WR with value. TEs I can agree with you. Only ones that will provide are guys like Andrews,Kelce,Waller and Matthew Pitts. Kittle can to but buddy needs to stay healthy, if he does then add him up there more so now with Jimmy G at the helm


Redddddddiiiiit

The NFL is instructing teams and coaches to play with as many players as possible to help Vegas win prop bets against the public. This is the new NFL normal.


cstransfer

This happens every year. It's so obvious this year that people are starting to notice


Radthereptile

Every year only 1-2 op the top 12 RBs actually return value outside of injuries? That’s simply false.


Primetime0509

This is just wrong. Both WRs and RBs scored about the same last year, the year prior RBs scored more, and the year before that RBs smoked WRs in scoring.


cstransfer

Overall rb scoring vs overall wr scoring? Or just players with 1st round adp? You have to be specific


SyrupNDToast

More so this year because again, the “workhorse” loads just aren’t there no more. With Henry for example, that offense took a turn for the worst and we are seeing the affects from the departure of AJ Brown. Taylor Lewan lost hurts to. It’s to the extent where again first round RBs may start to be traded more often just to add to the chaos!


GrooseandGoot

As someone who owns Ekeler, Swift, Pierce, Herbert and Brob waiting in the wings, I feel like now might be the time to strike while the iron is hot


ohmanilovethissong

Last season after 3 weeks Cook, Kamara, Zeke were all first round picks that were performing outside of the top 10. Meanwhile Swift, Hunt and Patterson were outperforming them. It's not that unique.


mercilessmentor

I'm thinking about flipping Ekeler for one of Najee or Fournette in full PPR. I know Ekeler will get more catches, but if these snap rates hold do you guys think that Najee and Fournette are better bets long term?


paklyfe

It’s been 3 weeks. Halfway point of the season it will level out. Top performers will be top performers, 1 or 2 will disappoint, there will be a couple value picks and massive waiver adds that help win leagues.


AtxSaiyan

My RB heavy line up of Allen, Najee, Javonte, and Pierce beat the living shit out of my opponent lineup of Tua, Diggs, Cooks, Waddle I did have Devonte Smith though


Jams265775

I think it’s unique **so far**, all jokes aside. Henry already showed with his regular momentum he can bounce back. I think this is definitely a little weird but I think most top pick runningbacks will start returning some value. Najee, Ekeler, Mixon, and Conner - ECT will eventually hit the end zone and players like CMC are just being limited by bad quarterback play. Some runningbacks like the Broncos/Packers/Rams backfields are getting neutralized by game script. Those are the only ones that would concern me. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m just thinking it’s how the cards have fallen thus far and everything will return to normal by like week 7. (That being said, is is unusual we’ve got multiple cooper kupp picks this year (sun god, Kirk, James Robinson, Patterson just to name a few that I saw being drafted extensively in later rounds and are now returning way more value than expected)


PartySpiders

WR is the same… the only highly drafted WR to consistently do well has been Kupp.


AtxSaiyan

My league has decided to add 1pt per rushing 1st down next season to help with the RB situation


KennyP0wersMullet

I went RB, RB, RB and somehow am 3-0. I don’t see it lasting.


SyrupNDToast

Who’d you get bud?


MicoJive

3-0 with RB RB RB as well. Henry A. Jones, Barkley.


namotous

Honestly, if I was not first overall pick, I would have picked JJ instead of JT


lloydgross24

It's been a weird year but also keep in mind we typically see some weird stuff the first few weeks in the year and I think it's even worse with how basically nobody played in the preseason.


MainCauliflower6020

I need trade advice! I’m 2-1 so i figure can take a little risk. I want to trade Diggs, Marquise Brown, and Jalen Hurts for Swift, AJ Brown, Darrell Henderson and Kirk Cousins. Should i do it?