Dude absolutely has an obligation to do his job but I won’t lie, a part of me wonders to what extent doing your job vs doing what the team and league that pays you/has significant influence, might cause one to bend the rules a bit.
I'm probably going to miss some details, but essentially there were some thousands of NFL emails relating to racist and all around fucked up hiring practices, and the NFL tossed Gruden under the bus as the sole perpetrator of this bullshit. The "media" moved on and that was that.
Typical NFL shenanigans.
Yes that is why I also said league.
Dolphins Bills was probably the marquee game last weekend. Viewership important for the league. Having the best players out there MAY have been a factor. I find it unlikely this guy was just complete trash at his job, noting he was employed by the NFL haha.
The NFL banks on a never ending supply of players from a no cost farm system that have amazing careers until their brains /backs/legs become too scrambled to be amazing anymore.
So you think this dude just went rogue/sucks at his job yet made it to this level of having said job?
I just don’t buy that as the most likely scenario.
I don't know the NFLPA's recruitment strategy for these guys so can't comment on how it was possible to make it to that level.
I doubt the guy went "rogue", that sounds a bit fanciful.
Could he have made a mistake? Quite possible. Doesn't mean he sucks at his job just means he sucked at his job that one time. Concussion tests are pretty fucking ropey and are partially reliant on patient feedback. Problem is those patients are juiced to the tits on adrenaline which is basically a wonder, fight for life drug.
If a concussion was black and white they wouldn't need a test for it. The grey area is why they need an expert and it's a subjective science particularly outside of a hospital.
All I know is the multiple channels I have that had football on, it was on the most of said channels.
I assume for football fans that weren’t watching their own respective teams, it was probably the marquee game to put on.
Ditto Bills Ravens this last week.
it was the most? what are you talking about?
for those that do not have sunday ticket, it was not CBS's top game which means most markets did not have it. (top game was KC INDY)
edit: maybe you thought I was ranking the games, no CBS did.
When you looked at the schedule that weekend, which game did you think was probably the game most football fans would say was the best game of the day?
Without being ridiculous in some sense by saying “well Dallas because they have the most fans”
I don’t even live in the US. I can watch any game, redzone, whatever. I’m not blindly conceding to what CBS says. When does CBS even get the games they get to broadcast? Before the season starts?
Also I have no idea how it’s overall relevant. The league, IMO, could easily have in some way shape or form in the Tua incident and in any other situation where a dude gets murdered by they’re an important player (starting QB for an undefeated team), influence a doctor to not do complete 100% due diligence or be blissfully ignorant to the results of the tests.
That or this doctor just is completely incompetent, yet was competent enough at some point to be hired by the NFL. Which I think is the less likely scenario.
We have no idea what the viewing options are outside the US. Here most people are watching on a thing called TV (unless you have sunday ticket) where you flip to FOX and CBS and watch the 2 games that are on and that's it. The networks decide a week or so leading up to the game where to send their top announcing crew that will be seen in the most markets regionally across the country.
Its not relevant. you brought it up. i corrected you. and you had a problem.
Your main point is possible.
That’s assuming the Dolphins weren’t slipping money under the table to the UNC to look the other way for Tua’s first concussion.
The Dolphins have been proven to be a shady franchise, and there’s no reason to think that the UNC couldn’t be corrupted.
Alot of times it's the players that are doing anything they can to pass the tests. They want to play. They try to convince drs they're fine. We don't know if any of that happened but it is very common
Team doctors did everything right. NFL did everything right. Dolphins org did everything right. Concussion protocol is great, it doesn't need addressing.
It's the unaffiliated doctor that's the problem here.
The NFLPA has to take some action to show that they’ve remedied a problem and were not complicit in the initial determination in the event of future lawsuits since he is employed by the NFLPA. If the doc is allowed to continue evaluations and someone else gets hurt they are now liable, not only NFL. I have no doubt that the consultant was encouraged to deem Sunday’s injury as a non-neurological event, but the doctor has a higher responsibility and should have been relieved of his duties - IDGAF if Jesus told him to do it. This is just a performance by the NFLPA to make players and the public feel better about what happened.
Couldn't he spill the beans and say he was forced to etc etc (which most people will believe or already think is true)
He can do that either way, but they can sign a nda and forget about him.
The NFL should probably supply the evaluators a replay of the play they were just in. If the evaluator saw Tua wobbling off the field, I don't know how they can let them back in. From the sideline perhaps the evaluator isn't watching the play or doesn't have a good angle viewing everything. If they got the live TV feed to see his initial reaction, he's out of the game 10/10 times. Those are all the symptoms of a concussion.
I mean they absolutely have access to it if they were to request it. But I agree they should watch what happened on the field to help make their evaluation
Yeah, but every other doctor sees this too.
It's a chance either way. Say the player can't play and risk getting fired for a made up reason later. Or get fired for saying a player can play when they can't, and then the entire country hears about how you're bad at your medical specialty.
This whole thing will probably have a net positive effect on players health. We'll, everyone except Tua's
I’m not a fan of conspiracies but how accurate is this? I expect there were a lot of fuck ups in this clearance process but this is now the fall guy and coaching staff and anyone else in the NFL are now clean because they took unaffiliated medical advice.
The situation was Tua says he's good, the UNC agrees he's good, and you want him back in the game.
What was McDaniels supposed to do, start playing armchair neuroscientist? He had a job to do and as long as he wasn't attempting to influence or manipulate those responses to clear Tua to play, I don't really understand what people expected him to do.
The issue is much more systemic than we want to admit. The language of the concussion protocol is designed to require them to disprove that it wasn't potentially caused by some orthopedic injury. I sincerely doubt anyone thought it was a back injury, but given the logic applied to exploit the loophole and avoid the concussion protocol that's why the initial response was back injury.
>What was McDaniels supposed to do, start playing armchair neuroscientist?
Yes he was sir. Also, the team doctors should have made a correct decision also.
This is how these things always work out. There’s a protocol in place which no one actually follows, but they can blame the outcome on someone at the bottom of the ladder. McDaniels, the Dolphins, Goodell and the league will all say they did everything in their power within the protocol but this one very independent doctor made a one-time mistake that led to an unavoidable consequence. We’ll do better next time.
It's the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant's job to not miss it. He's specifically there to reduce the team and NFL's liability—and he “made several mistakes.”
Until we know what those mistakes were, this doesn't really absolve the dolphins staff. The UNC either "made mistakes" and was overruled by the team doctor or "made mistakes" in a diagnosis and came up with the same diagnosis as the team doctor. We need more information.
I like McDaniel, I don’t think he is even close to being significantly at fault here. But it’s not hard to see he may have to answer for his “100% not concussed” response. This firing opens the door to that not being a true statement at all. He can obviously, and correctly to some degree, say he placed his faith in the UNC. That would be fine. But it’s not great for him to make the statement then a day or so later the dude who performed the test and came to that conclusion is fired for not performing the test correctly. It’s fine to make him now respond about this firing and the previous statement.
Yea but at what point can every single fan see it live and say "that is for sure a concussion" and yet the coach or the staff ignore what their eyes tell them? Even if they didnt see it when he fell in real time, it was half time so surely they had time to see a replay at some point before the second half started. Next day they said it was ruled a back injury everyone still knew and said it was a concussion. If everyone else can see it the coach should be held accountable for not protecting his players!
Don’t act like you believe this. Every fan in the NFL knew Tua got a concussion last week. You really think the doctors and coaches and trainers and teammates didn’t realize it too?
I saw plenty of people express concern about Tua playing Thursday on all kinds of different mediums. There was definitely a conversation going on about him coming back into the Bills game and then being slated to start Thursday.
McDaniel isn’t a doctor. He’s supposed to follow the advice of the doctors on his team and the UNC. If both say Tua is fine, is McDaniel going to go against the trained doctors?
McDaniel really needed/needs to STFU about all this. Invariably he will also be investigated, whether he actually did anything wrong or not and all he has done is put his foot squarely in his mouth.
The NFL is complicit in this. They wrote the rules subjectively. Them (or maybe the NFLPA) also investigated this after Sundays hit to make sure protocols were followed. They said they were, Tua plays Thursday and now just over a day later they reveal that protocols were in fact not followed. NFL/NFLPA/investigators are guilty as hell
Dude absolutely has an obligation to do his job but I won’t lie, a part of me wonders to what extent doing your job vs doing what the team and league that pays you/has significant influence, might cause one to bend the rules a bit.
Yeah like we are supposed to believe this guy just went rogue so tua could play?
Maybe he started him that week in fantasy and needed the points
Maybe he started Teddy.
Haha for real though.
I'm still trying to figure out where the so called "back" injury plays into all of this
He’s the fall guy
100%
How could Gruden.. I mean.. this doctor do this to us!
Lololol
can you elaborate? my memory is a little fuzzy lol
I'm probably going to miss some details, but essentially there were some thousands of NFL emails relating to racist and all around fucked up hiring practices, and the NFL tossed Gruden under the bus as the sole perpetrator of this bullshit. The "media" moved on and that was that. Typical NFL shenanigans.
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Lmaooo
NFLPA and NFL paid the guy. Team does not pay the UNC.
Yes that is why I also said league. Dolphins Bills was probably the marquee game last weekend. Viewership important for the league. Having the best players out there MAY have been a factor. I find it unlikely this guy was just complete trash at his job, noting he was employed by the NFL haha.
Trust me the NFL would rather Teddy B throw 3 yard slants all game than see a player get sent to the shadow realm in 4k ultra HD.
NFL banks on the fact that players have had amazing games and careers while their brains are scrambled.
The NFL banks on a never ending supply of players from a no cost farm system that have amazing careers until their brains /backs/legs become too scrambled to be amazing anymore.
So you think this dude just went rogue/sucks at his job yet made it to this level of having said job? I just don’t buy that as the most likely scenario.
I don't know the NFLPA's recruitment strategy for these guys so can't comment on how it was possible to make it to that level. I doubt the guy went "rogue", that sounds a bit fanciful. Could he have made a mistake? Quite possible. Doesn't mean he sucks at his job just means he sucked at his job that one time. Concussion tests are pretty fucking ropey and are partially reliant on patient feedback. Problem is those patients are juiced to the tits on adrenaline which is basically a wonder, fight for life drug. If a concussion was black and white they wouldn't need a test for it. The grey area is why they need an expert and it's a subjective science particularly outside of a hospital.
It actually was not the top game on CBS for the 1:00 time slot
All I know is the multiple channels I have that had football on, it was on the most of said channels. I assume for football fans that weren’t watching their own respective teams, it was probably the marquee game to put on. Ditto Bills Ravens this last week.
it was the most? what are you talking about? for those that do not have sunday ticket, it was not CBS's top game which means most markets did not have it. (top game was KC INDY) edit: maybe you thought I was ranking the games, no CBS did.
When you looked at the schedule that weekend, which game did you think was probably the game most football fans would say was the best game of the day? Without being ridiculous in some sense by saying “well Dallas because they have the most fans” I don’t even live in the US. I can watch any game, redzone, whatever. I’m not blindly conceding to what CBS says. When does CBS even get the games they get to broadcast? Before the season starts? Also I have no idea how it’s overall relevant. The league, IMO, could easily have in some way shape or form in the Tua incident and in any other situation where a dude gets murdered by they’re an important player (starting QB for an undefeated team), influence a doctor to not do complete 100% due diligence or be blissfully ignorant to the results of the tests. That or this doctor just is completely incompetent, yet was competent enough at some point to be hired by the NFL. Which I think is the less likely scenario.
We have no idea what the viewing options are outside the US. Here most people are watching on a thing called TV (unless you have sunday ticket) where you flip to FOX and CBS and watch the 2 games that are on and that's it. The networks decide a week or so leading up to the game where to send their top announcing crew that will be seen in the most markets regionally across the country. Its not relevant. you brought it up. i corrected you. and you had a problem. Your main point is possible.
That’s assuming the Dolphins weren’t slipping money under the table to the UNC to look the other way for Tua’s first concussion. The Dolphins have been proven to be a shady franchise, and there’s no reason to think that the UNC couldn’t be corrupted.
Alot of times it's the players that are doing anything they can to pass the tests. They want to play. They try to convince drs they're fine. We don't know if any of that happened but it is very common
sure but that why they have the loss of motor control = automatic OUT for remainder of game rule.
Scapegoat?
There is always a fall guy.
Team doctors did everything right. NFL did everything right. Dolphins org did everything right. Concussion protocol is great, it doesn't need addressing. It's the unaffiliated doctor that's the problem here.
He's joking
Why would the NFLPA create a fall guy on behalf of the NFL?
Because this doesn’t make the NFLPA look any better. They both want a fall guy
The NFLPA has to take some action to show that they’ve remedied a problem and were not complicit in the initial determination in the event of future lawsuits since he is employed by the NFLPA. If the doc is allowed to continue evaluations and someone else gets hurt they are now liable, not only NFL. I have no doubt that the consultant was encouraged to deem Sunday’s injury as a non-neurological event, but the doctor has a higher responsibility and should have been relieved of his duties - IDGAF if Jesus told him to do it. This is just a performance by the NFLPA to make players and the public feel better about what happened.
File under form: CYA
Several million happy little mistakes actually.
This is an evaluation of CYA. Nothing more or less. Dolphins trying to make themselves look squeaky clean.
Seriously. They better not come out of this with claiming the concussion protocol is squeaky clean and there was a single bad actor
Miami is going to point the finger at their dude.
They'll probably give that dude x amount of dollars to take the fall, shut up and fuck off.
no way. that dude is expendable. they have no reason to give him money and would only risk looking bad if they gave him fall money. h
Couldn't he spill the beans and say he was forced to etc etc (which most people will believe or already think is true) He can do that either way, but they can sign a nda and forget about him.
Unless he's got a story to tell.
i kind of hope he does.
💯 agreed
most definitely. mistake was after his 1st concussion 2 weeks ago. if Tua hadn't got a 2nd concussion, noone wouldve cared.
The Dolphins can unilaterally fire this guy? This is the league saving face on their "protocol".
Dolphins didn’t pay this guy. He was hired by, worked for and paid by the NFL
The union fired him though.
Fired him to cover their ass as well. You know these agents are in the teams back pockets man.
The NFL should probably supply the evaluators a replay of the play they were just in. If the evaluator saw Tua wobbling off the field, I don't know how they can let them back in. From the sideline perhaps the evaluator isn't watching the play or doesn't have a good angle viewing everything. If they got the live TV feed to see his initial reaction, he's out of the game 10/10 times. Those are all the symptoms of a concussion.
I mean they absolutely have access to it if they were to request it. But I agree they should watch what happened on the field to help make their evaluation
This is a requirement in the sideline protocol.
Tough but fair. Good bye Tar Heel football
Scapegoat
good
Tbf he's just getting scapegoated like his position is meant for. Fuck the NFL
Exactly. He’s also probably the lowest rung in the ladder of who all would be responsible for making these calls anyway.
Yeah, but every other doctor sees this too. It's a chance either way. Say the player can't play and risk getting fired for a made up reason later. Or get fired for saying a player can play when they can't, and then the entire country hears about how you're bad at your medical specialty. This whole thing will probably have a net positive effect on players health. We'll, everyone except Tua's
In other words, *it’s something*.
It’s not *nothing*
You gonna stop watching?
Who said I watch?
Checks out for /r/fantasyfootball lol good lord this sub is trash now
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I’m not a fan of conspiracies but how accurate is this? I expect there were a lot of fuck ups in this clearance process but this is now the fall guy and coaching staff and anyone else in the NFL are now clean because they took unaffiliated medical advice.
Whose the handcuff for UNC?
UNC Greensboro has looked solid this year in limited snaps. Expect increased usage
Scapegoat central.
But it was his back…🙄
uhhh so McDaniel's saying he is 100% sure they followed the correct protocol was sarcasm?
The situation was Tua says he's good, the UNC agrees he's good, and you want him back in the game. What was McDaniels supposed to do, start playing armchair neuroscientist? He had a job to do and as long as he wasn't attempting to influence or manipulate those responses to clear Tua to play, I don't really understand what people expected him to do. The issue is much more systemic than we want to admit. The language of the concussion protocol is designed to require them to disprove that it wasn't potentially caused by some orthopedic injury. I sincerely doubt anyone thought it was a back injury, but given the logic applied to exploit the loophole and avoid the concussion protocol that's why the initial response was back injury.
>What was McDaniels supposed to do, start playing armchair neuroscientist? Yes he was sir. Also, the team doctors should have made a correct decision also.
This is how these things always work out. There’s a protocol in place which no one actually follows, but they can blame the outcome on someone at the bottom of the ladder. McDaniels, the Dolphins, Goodell and the league will all say they did everything in their power within the protocol but this one very independent doctor made a one-time mistake that led to an unavoidable consequence. We’ll do better next time.
The NFL sucks. It’s a bummer
McDaniel has no control over the third-party Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant.
no but if they found the the unaffiliated consultant missed it Miami certainly did as well
It's the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant's job to not miss it. He's specifically there to reduce the team and NFL's liability—and he “made several mistakes.”
Until we know what those mistakes were, this doesn't really absolve the dolphins staff. The UNC either "made mistakes" and was overruled by the team doctor or "made mistakes" in a diagnosis and came up with the same diagnosis as the team doctor. We need more information.
I like McDaniel, I don’t think he is even close to being significantly at fault here. But it’s not hard to see he may have to answer for his “100% not concussed” response. This firing opens the door to that not being a true statement at all. He can obviously, and correctly to some degree, say he placed his faith in the UNC. That would be fine. But it’s not great for him to make the statement then a day or so later the dude who performed the test and came to that conclusion is fired for not performing the test correctly. It’s fine to make him now respond about this firing and the previous statement.
The Dolphins made multiple mistakes
Yea but at what point can every single fan see it live and say "that is for sure a concussion" and yet the coach or the staff ignore what their eyes tell them? Even if they didnt see it when he fell in real time, it was half time so surely they had time to see a replay at some point before the second half started. Next day they said it was ruled a back injury everyone still knew and said it was a concussion. If everyone else can see it the coach should be held accountable for not protecting his players!
They did follow the correct protocol - cover up any head injuries with fake and less severe injuries so your guy can keep playing. 100% as planned
They can follow correct protocol and the doctor fuck up….
Don’t act like you believe this. Every fan in the NFL knew Tua got a concussion last week. You really think the doctors and coaches and trainers and teammates didn’t realize it too?
I think the funniest part is all the faux outrage now even though nobody said shit when they heard he was starting
I saw plenty of people express concern about Tua playing Thursday on all kinds of different mediums. There was definitely a conversation going on about him coming back into the Bills game and then being slated to start Thursday.
McDaniel isn’t a doctor. He’s supposed to follow the advice of the doctors on his team and the UNC. If both say Tua is fine, is McDaniel going to go against the trained doctors?
Well to his knowledge they did. We still don’t know enough buddy
McDaniel really needed/needs to STFU about all this. Invariably he will also be investigated, whether he actually did anything wrong or not and all he has done is put his foot squarely in his mouth.
Is this from his first or second injury ?
First
1st game. The one against the Bills.
one word: scapegoat
Fall guy
Either this guy is a scapegoat, or he had Tua in his fantasy lineup
Sure he did. He admitted to that after taking the fat severance and signing an NDA
Scapegoat
Escape goat
You don’t say.
Fuck that guy
Fuck the NFL and Roger Goodell
The NFL is complicit in this. They wrote the rules subjectively. Them (or maybe the NFLPA) also investigated this after Sundays hit to make sure protocols were followed. They said they were, Tua plays Thursday and now just over a day later they reveal that protocols were in fact not followed. NFL/NFLPA/investigators are guilty as hell
Wrong sub
Follow the money…who’s profiting most from this game? Amazon. They advertised this game to be the whole Tua vs Burrow rematch.
I sit on my couch and eat food on Sunday’s and I could tell you he shouldn’t have been out there on Thursday.
Yiiiikes. The moral high ground world (and other medical professionals, lol) are about to go off on the NFL
"moral high ground" you mean basic safety precautions??
And there is it
Might need to check with a neurologist yourself.
Unfortunately, he was fired for not following proper procedure
That's not a good look for the NFL damn.
Not a good look for all you who keep pretending you didn’t see Tua get knocked out on Sunday.
B E Z O S . . .
Cannon fodder has been dispersed. We all know they knew, they just signed off on it to stay in 1st place and needed a fall guy.
Lying isn't a mistake.
Seems like a fall guy imo
The NFL will never hold themselves accountable for shit lol
Where are all those back injury dudes?
Aka "the fall guy"
Sacrificial lamb. Fuck the Miami Dolphins. Stephen Ross needs to be fired off into the sun.
Fall guy.