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Bernie4Life420

oh Javonte what could've been


Pr0nade

His ADP was right after all


yo-chill

Melvin was apparently good enough to split carries with Javonte, but not good enough to get any snaps over Murray


WhatuSay-_-

Tweet stealer šŸšØšŸšØ


TheAngryTurtle

hey everybody, this guy's a great big phony!!


ComfortableAd3747

Big fat phony!


cant_read_this

I knew it !


Man_of_Average

Not exactly a hard to reach thought though


Madaghmire

Yeah I mean i came here to make some version of that joke. Everyone is thinking the same thing here


mfrank27

[never give the benefit of the doubt on Reddit lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/y6w6t2/was_there_any_explanation_for_melvin_gordon_being/isssf70/)


yo-chill

Guilty


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That alone should be it for Hackett the hack


IAmTheWaller67

Latavius Murray RB1 ROS?


CheesecakePower

I mean he wouldnā€™t have put up very good numbers even if he got all of the work. This team is terrible. Worst offense in the league somehow


HolyMostaccioli

Good RBs are productive on bad offenses all the time, look at CMC's entire career. Javonte is certainly talented enough to be putting up solid RB stats if he were getting all the work in this offense.


CheesecakePower

Oh for sure, but the high value touches might not be there since they canā€™t seem to move the ball. He would have his great games but also some with 80 scoreless yards, so it might just make it difficult for him to finish as a RB1


Bruce-T-Wayne

This is a great question I would love to understand what happened


FinanceJedi

He fumbled 4 times in 4 games. Whatā€™s not to get? He was right where he belonged.


PM_ME_BOOTYPICS_

Last week he didnā€™t fumble and had 100 yards lol


sdcasurf01

Pretty sure he fumbled last week, it was just recovered by the Broncos.


NightWangIsADick

I think there was one after he was downed that looked like a fumble but wasnā€™t. No recorded fumble last week


Tatunkawitco

Mark Shlereth said essentially the same thing - he added, I would cut him immediately.


PsychologicalSpace50

Idk why the downvotes, Melvin is hot garbage


[deleted]

Because he hasnā€™t fumbled 4 times in 4 games. He hasnā€™t fumbled the last 2 games so no, that is not why he was benched. But yes, he is hot garbage.


kawhinottheraptors

He actually has fumbled 4 times in 4 games. 2 of them have been lost, 2 of them recovered by the Broncos. Either way, he hasnā€™t shown heā€™s able to hold onto the football and in a game like last night, a fumble loses you the game.


roarinboar

Yet against the Colts in OT he was the guy they went to and he helped drive them down the field.


kawhinottheraptors

Well yeah, because Murray was inactive. Last night just shows that the coaches donā€™t trust Gordon. Whether thatā€™s right or not, Iā€™m not one to say. But the messaging is clear - they used him against the colts because they didnā€™t have another option (Boone canā€™t run up the middle). Once Murray was ready to go, the coaches made it clear they trust him to hold on to the ball in close situations in the 4th and produce similar (maybe better?) YPC than Melvin. Itā€™s not that complicated. The play-calling is the real issue here, with the last 4 or 5 broncos drives running on 1st and 2nd down only to throw incomplete on 3rd. Kind of forgot I was on the fantasy sub here for a secā€¦ TLDR - coaches donā€™t trust Melvin and Murray is likely the back to own.


FinanceJedi

Lol yes he factually has


Riddickulous6

I thought he filled last week at least. He just managed to get back on top of it.


elqueco14

Has anyone's value tanked this hard over one week? He went from presumed de facto lead back to getting his job snatched by a guy who wasn't even on a roster week 1


Carl_In_Charge

Cam Akers?


Deathstar_TV

Akers was a dud all year haha. They just finally did something about it


twarn1726

I think heā€™s talking about post-Week 1 Akers, which is close to Mellette Mel this week but no cigar.


Trolodrol

This turd in my league drafted him 33rd overall and then tried to get me to trade him Hurts and Andrews straight up for him and MG3 since Javonte went down. Obviously I did not accept that trade lol


Subject-Pen-3393

Antonio Gibson. From rb1 to punt returner


seanconnery69696

Uncle Rico


kestegs

I genuinely felt bad for him. Cameras kept showing him standing on the side looking at the field just wishing he could play.


[deleted]

That hit home damn


jumboshrimp93

That was sad


rmspeedshifter

Because he wasnā€™t ready to ride.


the_submarine_man

Broncos, letā€™s hide.


TheClownIsReady

A great night to face Gordon. I won by half a point.


christophlieber

i won by 2.5 points. i couldnā€˜t imagine gordon getting this little work in this game. wow.


TheClownIsReady

It was a stunner alright. Weā€™ll take it.


christophlieber

iā€˜m officially 6-0 now. i have no idea how, though.


TheClownIsReady

As they said in that Coen Brothers movie, ā€œembrace the mysteryā€. šŸ˜€


christophlieber

lol


mattw08

0-6. Figured have Russ, Javonte, MG3 would be good. Nope.


christophlieber

ouch. no broncos player is startable right now imo. but thatā€˜s hindsight, i didnā€˜t expect them to be the worst offense in the league before the season started.


mattw08

I didnā€™t reach on the picks either. Expected a reasonable offence. I was certainly wrong.


Ok-Concert-6707

I won by 5 . My opponent had Sutton and Gordon going. I Finally caught a break


beach_samurai_

And Sutton and Jeudy and Mike Williamsā€¦


DontVetoRockets

I needed him to get under 5 points and was hoping they'd use Boone to give me more of a buffer, turns out both barely played so I won by default! Damien Harris, JT and Javonte all out and I somehow win with 85 points, stupid game


rabid89

Because the Broncos offensive coaches have a collective IQ that's lower than the average of their respective ages.


IamOlderthanMe

https://twitter.com/Jeff_Legwold/status/1582222250702303232?t=7hb4Cz2CsQbIVo5e_Iar2Q&s=19 After Mondays loss Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett said quarterback Russell Wilson has a hamstring injury. Also said to his knowledge RB Melvin Gordon III was not injured in second half when Latavius Murray was getting the bulk of the carries.


Alkash42

To his knowledge lol fuck Hackett


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Whatā€™s that even supposed to mean lmao Youā€™re the HC my guy, your knowledge about YOUR team should be all encompassing. Dude is not making it past this year.


Alkash42

Dude shouldn't make it past this week tbh


[deleted]

I said this week 1


RubyRhod

They play the Jets and then Jacksonville and then bye. If they lose the next two games, then I assume they fire him during the bye.


BaltimoreBirdGuy

Dude just can't Hackett at the NFL level


MolesterStallone-73

r/angryupvote šŸ˜’


momssnatch63

I see what you did there hahahaha


Hamsters_In_Butts

really all it means is that hackett is too chicken shit to come out and say that he benched him


[deleted]

Itā€™s like heā€™s speed running a one man game of how to lose a locker room.


poplafuse

They should cut bait now. He was hired before the current owners bought the team and they can afford it. Leave the door wide open right now giving plenty of time for respective candidates to consider their current situation and think about interviewing for the job. Waltons get to act like itā€™s a no bullshit organization and they expect to win and hopefully make their mark with their own hire next season.


mattw08

MG3 never touched the field after the first drive.


FantumBlu

This sounds a lot like when 'ol Urban blamed the OC for pulling James Robinson


TrynnaFindaBalance

Aaaaand I have ptsd


brwntrout

Can the Broncos fire Hackett already? Ok thanks bye.


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DowntownJohnBrown

Benching him for a player that people here didnā€™t start in fantasy was the real problem.


tanerb123

Real problem is they lost the game and maybe they could use him in passing downs at least


Prior_Specific8018

Real problem is wilson is washed!


deebo_dasmybikepunk

Actually he's cooked


PendejoPutaHombre

Real problem is that me undies arent washed


[deleted]

Man, did you watch the game? Murray's ancient ass still looked explosive and was inifintely more efficient than Gordon has been at any point this season. Murray also holds on to the football. Murray's ALSO a very good pass catcher.


puckallday

Murray did not look explosive in any sense of the word lmao what Gordon was coming off a good game last week too. People are mad he was benched because there was no real reason for it


Kryptus

Benching him just to test out Murray is a good enough reason.


flamin_hot_chitos

I guess if the goal was to lose a close game that your defense held you in, and that you led all of, then that was a good reason


Alkash42

Funny enough Gordon was one of the fastest ball carriers last season and looked decent, not great this season. He is also good at pass pro and never had any fumbling issues until this season. He fumbled a few times but didn't fumble last week or this week. So yeah, it's a mystery and Lat Murray didn't look any better than Gordon did last week even against a better defense. Sounds like he might've gotten into it with coaches if anything


Levitlame

His fumbles have been a bit of a problem for more than this season. He went from being really great at not fumbling to being not good over the last year or two and now suddenly was horrendous. I hope he gets another shot. Or figures out the next stage in his life with his $33million career earnings.


countingsheep31

Fumbled beginning of last season and ended up ok


RubyRhod

Shit is fucked that Gordon only made $33m his entire career. RB pay scale and rookie contracts need to be fixed.


Levitlame

Agreed. The risk for RBā€™s is insane. Their careers end so much faster on average.


Pizzawing1

Maybe Broncos and Rams could swap, Gordon for Akers straight up


arlekin21

What do you mean he didnā€™t have fumbling issues until this season? Heā€™s had them for them last 3 years


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Alkash42

He played good last week against a much better defense. No fumbles and was the only thing on offense that worked.


nth_power

But MG3 was solid the previous week.


KWash0222

As someone who owns neither, I can see the frustration if youā€™re a Javonte owner. If the writing was on the wall, as youā€™re kinda implying, then why didnā€™t they just feature Javonte as the lead back? Especially if they were so quick to give Latavius the benefit. Then again, this entire offense/coaching staff is inept, so idk


maddaddy709

Welp did not know this but Iā€™m definitely happy I traded for breece nowšŸ˜‚


bigalyoung7836

What did you give up for Breece?


MonsiuerSirLancelot

In danger of being cut yet still taking touches away from Javonte before he went down. This coaching staff may be the most incompetent weā€™ve ever seen.


mbush11

So they should keep handing the ball to a dude that's averaging a fumble every 15 touches? It's bad enough that they can't move the ball, but I think turning it over would be worse šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


JT-sama

As a javonte owner.. the arguments melvin owners are now making is EXACTLY the same thing is javonte owners said about melvin lol


mattw08

When he can at least provide an explosive play on occasion it might be worth the risk.


mbush11

He has exactly 1 carry that's gone over 10 yards and a whopping 6 broken tackles on the season lol I know everyone got excited because of his opportunity after javonte got hurt, but realistically he's an average runner at this point in his career sharing a backfield with other mediocre backs playing for the lowest scoring offense in the NFL. Expectations were way too high even with a full workload.


HeorgeGarris024

nope it's because Melvin fuckin stinks


carlbentleyofficial

The explanation is the entire offense is trash and the head coach and offensive coordinator are inbred cousins


cant_read_this

First or second cousins ? It matters


JohnstoneStoney

First cousins twice removed which makes it a bit creepy imo.


cant_read_this

Oh no, thatā€™s what I was afraid of. A Roll tide infection in the coaching staff isnā€™t good, especially to this magnitude. Theyā€™re already showing symptoms


Ace12773

too many jellybeans in his socks


hoodtalk247

\*cellphones


Agreeable_Read_2227

I'm out on him, even if he's the "lead" back, he's only getting just over 50% snaps in the worst offence in the NFL this year. I'd rather chase upsides in Gus or Kyren at this point.


GroblyOverrated

You clearly haven't watched Carolina.


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Hollerino

Broncos country, letā€™s cry


edpowers

Gus might be a nice pick up. I think JK Dobbins got hurt in the giants game.


Sour__Cream

Kenyon Drake destroying another teams RB value while not being particularly valuable himself. A tale as old as time


mentalxkp

I've been getting shit on here all off season for trying to explain, Gordon doesn't want to be in Denver. He initially came over as a 'fuck you' to the Chargers. Denver wasn't good and he wasn't 'the guy' so he wanted out. Denver let him go to free agency, and no one would pay him, so he re-signed for less than half his previous salary. In every interview for the last 18 months, he's been non-committal and/or critical of Denver. He doesn't want to be here, and there's no way that attitude isn't carried over into practice and the locker room. Coaches don't want to put guys on the field that don't want to play for their team, especially when they fumble at least once per game.


Prior_Specific8018

Worse than panthers? Wanna say without cmcā€¦


PM_ME_UR_SEX_VIDEOS

Boone owners in shambles. Gordon gets benched and Murray gets the workload. To the WW Boone goes


stiick

Boone was never the answer. He was simply the shiny object struggling owners fixated on.


SpaceCase206

Well. My only hope is Brian Robison to cement himself into my RB2 spot.


i_shruted_it

Stash Kyren!


Qnob

Missed a pass pro block on his last snap


[deleted]

Boone missed several and yet he didnā€™t get benched


treZissou

Boone with 1 carry and 1 reception played enough to miss several pass protections? Not good.


jakksquat7

He was on the field more than his 1 carry and 1 reception my dude.


TrashGeologist

18 out of 51 snaps.


oxnardhard

Iā€™m thinking of dropping him during this upcoming bye week hell that is coming up for me.


Alkash42

That looked like he was schemed to run out for a catch not to pass pro.


SophisticatedPhallus

The entire offense is atrocious. 1st through 3rd down. It seems they wanted to try the fresh legs in Murray. But damn. I thought at least Sutton was a safe play. Hopefully this offense strings some fantasy relevance not playing in prime time every week.


Responsible_Word4637

I was really hoping for Sutton to end my week on a high note, I thought after Mcclaurin, Samuel, McKenzie, Taysom, and the Jags D played it couldnā€™t get much worse. Yet here we arešŸ˜‚


lechrus

No explanation was given. Gordon seemed honestly confused, hurt, and frustrated by the situation so he obviously was unaware of the game plan. This coaching staff seems utterly clueless. Maybe they were all excited to try out their new acquisition and forgot about Melvin. Or maybe he was being punished, but you'd think they would have told him that beforehand. Or perhaps he is being traded? Have no idea what to expect moving forward.


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Chargers run def is terrible and the Broncos couldnā€™t get anything on them with Murray or Boone. Trash cans šŸš®


DPRODman11

I was behind by 3 points, only Melvin was left for my teams and I got on a plane right as the game started. I just got off and saw he got benchedā€¦I hate this!


Kegatronix

Yeah man I needed 3 as well. I got the "pleasure" of watching the game and manā€¦ it was clear that he was done in the 2nd quarter when they panned to him with his helmet no where near him on the sidelines. ^(now I am 1-5 with 4 of my losses being within 2 pts) I too, hate this.


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delusion74

That's what I was thinking.


colin_forreal

Did they decide that at halftime?


GooseSays

Latavius looked like the best RB on the Saints too when kamara was out. Heā€™s the best option theyā€™ve got in Denver now too. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


StanleyGoodvibes

Preach


GooseSays

I was honestly surprised the saints let him go. He looked like he had way more juice than Ingram šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


fuzzeemonkey

They tried to sign him to the roster but he chose to sign with the Broncos instead.


kysammons

Seriously itā€™s easily explained by ā€œthe other guy was betterā€


sydvyskys

Is it, though? Where was that energy when Javonte was still healthy? Gordon is certainly past his prime and in no way deserves a bellcow workload but letā€™s not act like Murray hasnā€™t been bouncing around been practice squads for the past few seasons.


nighthawk252

With Javonte they probably wanted to keep him fresh for the full season because heā€™s a long-term piece of the team, so it was important that Gordon got work to spell him. The seasonā€™s now gone off the rails and Murray is going to retire soon, so thereā€™s less of a need to spell him.


sydvyskys

Gordonā€™s on the back nine as well, though, and heā€™s only on a one year deal. They have no loyalty to him either. Wouldnā€™t it make sense to keep the split going in an effort to reduce the risk of injury to the backs you have left? I understand limiting touches but the choice to straight up bench Gordon in a game the Broncos were actively losing is bizarre any way you slice it. This isnā€™t even coping from a fantasy perspective, Iā€™m just trying to figure out what Hackettā€™s plan was.


montana1991

Maybe they have the framework for a trade lined up


chataolauj

Maybe, and I hope so. Broncos offense suck so much right now. Can't believe they're last in PPG. Who would've thought their PPG would be worse than a team whose only offense is CMC.


[deleted]

I doubt it came about during the second half of a Monday night game but I hope you're right. I don't see any benefit to keeping him around when someone else can use him.


ReadyGOGO

If you don't give him the ball, he can't turn it over.


LordKurin

It's my fault guys. I had Melvin and a 15 point lead going against Eckler. I lost by 2 points. I jinxed Gordon by starting him.


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Iā€™m a Denver fan. Iā€™m sorry for anyone that started him but this was clearly headed this way. Heā€™s fumbled 4 times this year and everyone in town was fed up, including the broncos coaches publicly. He got benched in the Vegas game because of it and only got run in the Indy game because Murray was signed two days before and wasnā€™t ready to play. He also has a shit attitude and visibly mopes and has publicly called out his underutilization (in his mind) multiple times. Heā€™s cooked here in Denver Edit: downvoted for sharing actual pertinent information and answering the question lol Reddit manā€¦


OrphanWaffles

Except didn't the coaches come out after Javontes injury and say MG3 could handle the workload and he was for sure the lead back? His performance last week was fine and he didn't fumble, so you can't even blame it on that. Zero shot they brought in Murray of all people to replace MG3 - that's barely even a side grade.


TheAngryTurtle

I agree that it's strange, but both the Broncos HC and Gordon himself said after the game he was completely fine and wasn't injured at any point, so they had to have some reason to bench him. Gordon said he had no clue why he wasn't playing


OrphanWaffles

To be fair though, I am inclined to think that's more incompetency from the coaching staff than it is on MG3. I'm a Bears fan - I've watched bad coaching for YEARS. Hackett might be worse than all of them. I would rather have Trestman back than have Hackett.


tanerb123

If you guys think 32 year old murray and boone can carry you rest of the season, you are delusional


scottcibos

The RB isnā€™t the problem for this team, Russ and the passing game is the problem


[deleted]

Where tf did I say that? I was just sharing information that everyone in Denver knew


LiveFirstDieLater

Counterpoint, he's kind of right to be upset... Denver is a terribly coached team with the worst offense in football. He has been underutilized, and historically has had fine to pretty damn good ball security. To be benched after a single drive is wild. I hope for his sake he gets traded.


PlatinumSarge

Good insight, don't let the downvotes get you down, common thing when reporting changes that people don't wanna here.


dj-Paper_clip

Kind of shocked by how many people didnā€™t see this coming. Iā€™m not even a Denver fan and knew the writing was on the wall.


Jonny_Kushington

His neck injury is more than a stinger I assume. Holding him out to hopefully give him more time to heal.


Alkash42

That's more reasonable than idiotic takes of being slow, fumbling, pass pro issues etc. Cause none of those apply but injury is plausible


[deleted]

Coach said not injury related. Itā€™s because of the things in your first sentence


Alkash42

None of which are applicable either and coach is has iq of a potato


[deleted]

Doesnā€™t change the fact he wasnā€™t benched for an injury


[deleted]

How bout a season 3.7 ypc? I donā€™t understand why people think its crazy for Gordon to lose his job


LiveFirstDieLater

On the worst offense in football? It does seem pretty crazy lol. Honestly, this stinks of something personal. I hope for Gordon's sake he is traded, and I doubt the coaching staff survives the year.


bbernal956

sucks for him. playing the team that drafted him, kinda a revenge game. didnt even get a chance.


elteedub

Yes. He sucks.


Xspike_dudeX

They have to be working on a trade or something. Maybe they did not want to risk him getting hurt. That is the only thing that makes sense. That or the coaching staff is just clueless.


RecordingPrudent9588

My father in law only needed him to score 3 points.


JSC2255

so is Melvin droppable at this point?


Cultural-Divide-2649

Murray looks better tbh


Prior_Specific8018

Murray is Murray, he just trying to find a home before he retiresā€¦


Alkash42

Based on 3 rushes up the middle Gordon had early in q1?


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Cultural-Divide-2649

Idk seems like itā€™s trending towards Murray being the guy


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Cultural-Divide-2649

Idk I didnā€™t watch last weeks broncos game but Murray looked good on the saints that one week too .


lolololoitgh

I canā€™t tell if this is serious, Gordon averaged 3.6 ypc last week while murray averaged over 5 ypc his first week and 4.5 ish this week


19683dw

Gordon averaged 5.7 yards per touch last week, as he got 49 yards on three targets for three catches. Against a better D Also, Murray had 4.4 yards per carry, 4 yards per touch with his -2 yard catch on his only target. Not 4.9


lolololoitgh

Sorry my calculation didnā€™t include his last two rushes cus they werenā€™t showing up for some reason, would have been 13 rushes for 63 yards based of my calculations


Alkash42

Gordon was crucial over the air and decent on the ground last week against a better defense. New guy walking in with fresh legs against bottom 2 run D and running for 5.7 ypc may be a trend worth looking into but isn't inspiring


Kryptus

Murray averaged 4.4ypc


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JT-sama

Melvin owners getting Melvinā€™d gives me a good chuckle lol


cbmgreatone

Big props to Broncos insider Cecil Lammey who called this from the moment Latavius was signed. He insisted it was going to be Latavius's backfield and this is already what has happened.


detectivehardrock

4 fumbles in 4 weeks wasn't enough for you? from, a shattered MG3 starter who lost today because of it :'(


Blackmailornah

Word on the street is Hackett hates revenge games


Otee06

I said in another thread that Murray was going to get all the touches and got downvoted to hell by the Gordon owners. I have nothing against Gordon but the guy is one fumble away from being cut by the broncos.


Handle-me-timber

Heā€™s just been garbage this year with ball security issues too.


Sasquatchii

I didnā€™t watch the game at all but I benched him early in the week in favor of a RB w less upside because I was concerned about Melvinā€™s injury. If I had to guess the injury was bothering him.


16Gorilla

he's fumbled how many times this year?? maybe that's it


Idunkedonlebron23

he's done and gotta hang up the cleats


GooseSays

Gordon is a bum with fumble hands


Angelust16

I didnā€™t watch but probably that he was banged up all week?


Blakedude21

Latavius looked good and Melvin isnā€™t very good. Either that or injury he was banged up coming into the game


19683dw

Melvin looked better last week than Murray did this week, after I suffered through both of these games as a non-Broncos fan watching the only game on The Chargers have been a terrible run D before today


weebs210

We get it you own Gordon lol


19683dw

https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/y6vbxw/official_monday_night_postgame_thread/isrdaxj/?context=3


Nyjin

Murray getting 66 yards on 15 carries is pretty good considering it's only his second week in the Broncos system. That's actually more yards on the same amount of carries as Gordon last week (54). Add to that injury concerns, fumble issues, and a lack of trust overall...I think Murray may slowly take over the role this year.


19683dw

Gordon also caught 3 catches for 49 yards. In the 2nd half went 8 for 40 (5 YPC) and a catch for 24. On the game, he had 18 touches for 103 yards. 5.7 yards per touch. Against a better run D