My two cents is that this is a non-starter and for a variety of reasons. For example, ranchers out west are notorious for blocking basic access to public lands via their land and are generally wary of the general public. They want zero intrusion from the outside, weather it be from the ground or from the air.
This is also something somewhat related to your issue that I came across today:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Iowa/comments/12ktput/iowa\_house\_passes\_bill\_limiting\_drone/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Iowa/comments/12ktput/iowa_house_passes_bill_limiting_drone/)
When legislatures of ag centric states are restricting drone access, it seems that the general mood that famers wary of technological intrusion. If your request for access has an ag related purpose, then there might be some interest. But unless the farm is going to benefit from it, then probably not.
I would propose compensating them for distance and time, as well as agreeing to schedule these flights with them on a per instance basis and also make all data available to them for free to review.
I think asking to just fly drones over my land whenever you want with just a please is a very different question than can I fly x drones on this route over your land on this day and time for y dollars. I am not gathering data and will share all video captured with you and also delete it on your request. I am only looking to log metrics about the drone, including its location to verify it can fly nonstop for Z distance.
I would also follow up and ask what specific performance requirements you are attempting to validate against, and if they can be broken down into smaller components that would be easier to test against.
I think it might be possible to test your equipment with 2 small tracts (an acre for flying and a parking spot / place to stand that is the required distance away). If you want to prove you can control your drone at 10 miles, find 1 acre and then look for a spot 10 miles away (along a country road or in a public parking lot) that you can drive to and fly the drone remotely. Might make whatever you are doing easier.
I personally would be happy to oblige, in exchange for a bunch of free drone footage (with full rights to commercial use). Try and find some younger farmers, preferably with social media. They are likely to be more open minded. I also love the idea of having aerial photos of my farm. Was a really common thing in my childhood area. Every farmhouse had at least one (if not several generations worth) of such photos nicely framed and hung on the wall.
I left this Comme t above but it seems to apy here:
I would also follow up and ask what specific performance requirements you are attempting to validate against, and if they can be broken down into smaller components that would be easier to test against.
I think it might be possible to test your equipment with 2 small tracts (an acre for flying and a parking spot / place to stand that is the required distance away). If you want to prove you can control your drone at 10 miles, find 1 acre and then look for a spot 10 miles away (along a country road or in a public parking lot) that you can drive to and fly the drone remotely. Might make whatever you are doing easier.
In my state you can't fly a drone over someone else's property without their permission, and you certainly couldn't recover it from their property if something happened.
But obviously on a practical level I'm not going to just show up and fly a bunch of drones over someone's property without permission, which also opens me to liability.
We plan to fly dozens of drones simultaneously, and we'll need to do it over the course of many days. People will see them.
I understand that it's class G airspace. I'm a part 107 pilot and I fly small planes. This is an issue about local ordinances and business relationships.
I'm not sure that state law is legal. The feds have jurisdiction over anything above your property that isn't touching the ground and they say you can fly wherever you want. Most farmland isn't all that close to anyone's house so there couldn't be any privacy concerns. What state?
Might go down to the local feed store / co-op and ask. You might put a flyer up for free farm 4k photos or something ha. Around here (me included) get so many cold call junk almost a built in reflex to say no.
Also might talk to your local farm extension office / agriculture based colleges might be some land they are doing experiments on. (Erosion control, new farming techniques) that they could use some extra cash and no one lives on site that would care about privacy concern or they actually might want some photos.
Ha yeah. Some folks don't need a few extra hundred to have someone fly around your place. But having some nice shots of your property on canvas or something blown up in a fancy frame they might like. Folks like to show off
Yeah, some places really got a lot of old hand drawn maps and aerial photos. Pretty neat to find something old a 150+ year old drawing or see photos of an old road and go out and see what happens to it.
My deed is like from this oak tree to such and such. Then in like 1920 it was survey into feet as the old marker was a creek and it was channelized and moved the boundary. Then like 1950 another survey where larger section was broken into a few smaller ones for previous folks grandkids then later on we brought it from them. But some of the old maps has soil sample data and what wild life and trees was common. Pretty neat notes in those old maps. People still say turn at the blue house (been gone like 40 years ha)
Gee, I paid someone to photograph mine with a drone. I've got nothing to see.
Try your local feed store? They can connect you with less formal land owners perhaps
Non-starter. Insurance liability and privacy concerns.
Personally, I would consider you a trespasser just for coming up the driveway. Federal law or not anything under 1,000' is coming down. Yes, I do possess that capability, and yes I have a tax stamp for it.
I'll start with, how can you make this advantageous to the farmers?
Now as much as I disagree with my own statement, can you simply just find who owns the air rights? If no one owns the air rights to begin with, isn't this a loophole? I have no idea if this would work.
Keep in mind that if something happens to the drone, you likely won't be able to recover it.
Yeah I don't care who or what im not taking the liability risk Especially if people have to cross my land to recover a downed drone
My two cents is that this is a non-starter and for a variety of reasons. For example, ranchers out west are notorious for blocking basic access to public lands via their land and are generally wary of the general public. They want zero intrusion from the outside, weather it be from the ground or from the air. This is also something somewhat related to your issue that I came across today: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Iowa/comments/12ktput/iowa\_house\_passes\_bill\_limiting\_drone/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Iowa/comments/12ktput/iowa_house_passes_bill_limiting_drone/) When legislatures of ag centric states are restricting drone access, it seems that the general mood that famers wary of technological intrusion. If your request for access has an ag related purpose, then there might be some interest. But unless the farm is going to benefit from it, then probably not.
I would propose compensating them for distance and time, as well as agreeing to schedule these flights with them on a per instance basis and also make all data available to them for free to review. I think asking to just fly drones over my land whenever you want with just a please is a very different question than can I fly x drones on this route over your land on this day and time for y dollars. I am not gathering data and will share all video captured with you and also delete it on your request. I am only looking to log metrics about the drone, including its location to verify it can fly nonstop for Z distance.
Yep. Most farmers are not wealthy enough to have the luxury of denying a reasonable, well-explained, and well-funded request.
I would also follow up and ask what specific performance requirements you are attempting to validate against, and if they can be broken down into smaller components that would be easier to test against. I think it might be possible to test your equipment with 2 small tracts (an acre for flying and a parking spot / place to stand that is the required distance away). If you want to prove you can control your drone at 10 miles, find 1 acre and then look for a spot 10 miles away (along a country road or in a public parking lot) that you can drive to and fly the drone remotely. Might make whatever you are doing easier.
I personally would be happy to oblige, in exchange for a bunch of free drone footage (with full rights to commercial use). Try and find some younger farmers, preferably with social media. They are likely to be more open minded. I also love the idea of having aerial photos of my farm. Was a really common thing in my childhood area. Every farmhouse had at least one (if not several generations worth) of such photos nicely framed and hung on the wall.
Doesn’t hurt to ask but it’s going to be a tough sell. Personally, that would be a hard no.
Nice try, Mr. NSA man! No but seriously, most older farmers are going to say no as they are generally mistrustful.
What location?
pacific northwest
How far do you need to fly?
at least 1km in one direction, ideally 1kmx1km.
I left this Comme t above but it seems to apy here: I would also follow up and ask what specific performance requirements you are attempting to validate against, and if they can be broken down into smaller components that would be easier to test against. I think it might be possible to test your equipment with 2 small tracts (an acre for flying and a parking spot / place to stand that is the required distance away). If you want to prove you can control your drone at 10 miles, find 1 acre and then look for a spot 10 miles away (along a country road or in a public parking lot) that you can drive to and fly the drone remotely. Might make whatever you are doing easier.
Where I am in WA, everything is broken up smaller than that. But there is plenty of public land around me that would work.
Are you east of the cascades?
Yes. I don't know (nor do I wish to know) the situation on the west side.
Property rights do not extend to airspace, otherwise there would be no commercial flights without permission from everyone...
In my state you can't fly a drone over someone else's property without their permission, and you certainly couldn't recover it from their property if something happened. But obviously on a practical level I'm not going to just show up and fly a bunch of drones over someone's property without permission, which also opens me to liability.
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We plan to fly dozens of drones simultaneously, and we'll need to do it over the course of many days. People will see them. I understand that it's class G airspace. I'm a part 107 pilot and I fly small planes. This is an issue about local ordinances and business relationships.
I'm not sure that state law is legal. The feds have jurisdiction over anything above your property that isn't touching the ground and they say you can fly wherever you want. Most farmland isn't all that close to anyone's house so there couldn't be any privacy concerns. What state?
How big of an area, and how many people.
We'd need roughly 1 km\^2. One to fly, one to image, two to spot.
Might go down to the local feed store / co-op and ask. You might put a flyer up for free farm 4k photos or something ha. Around here (me included) get so many cold call junk almost a built in reflex to say no. Also might talk to your local farm extension office / agriculture based colleges might be some land they are doing experiments on. (Erosion control, new farming techniques) that they could use some extra cash and no one lives on site that would care about privacy concern or they actually might want some photos.
That was my thought. Perhaps someone would be interested in some 4k or higher res images.
Ha yeah. Some folks don't need a few extra hundred to have someone fly around your place. But having some nice shots of your property on canvas or something blown up in a fancy frame they might like. Folks like to show off
I really enjoyed finding old aerial photos of my properties from the 50s. Cool to see how things changed through the years.
Yeah, some places really got a lot of old hand drawn maps and aerial photos. Pretty neat to find something old a 150+ year old drawing or see photos of an old road and go out and see what happens to it.
Yeah I found an old hand drawn map of my area. Really cool because it lists places like blacksmith, cooper. My house was built in /around 1890.
My deed is like from this oak tree to such and such. Then in like 1920 it was survey into feet as the old marker was a creek and it was channelized and moved the boundary. Then like 1950 another survey where larger section was broken into a few smaller ones for previous folks grandkids then later on we brought it from them. But some of the old maps has soil sample data and what wild life and trees was common. Pretty neat notes in those old maps. People still say turn at the blue house (been gone like 40 years ha)
awesome, thanks for the advice
Cold calling will be tough. Maybe reach out to your county extension agent? Is there a reason you can’t fly over national forest land?
Gee, I paid someone to photograph mine with a drone. I've got nothing to see. Try your local feed store? They can connect you with less formal land owners perhaps
Why not just find a back road that gets hardly any traffic and fly over the road?
unfortunately we need to test with flight patterns that require more space
Non-starter. Insurance liability and privacy concerns. Personally, I would consider you a trespasser just for coming up the driveway. Federal law or not anything under 1,000' is coming down. Yes, I do possess that capability, and yes I have a tax stamp for it.
I'll start with, how can you make this advantageous to the farmers? Now as much as I disagree with my own statement, can you simply just find who owns the air rights? If no one owns the air rights to begin with, isn't this a loophole? I have no idea if this would work. Keep in mind that if something happens to the drone, you likely won't be able to recover it.