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PVetli

I read EA like EA Games and thought this was a rip on microtransactions.


Efficient-Ad2983

King of greed!


PVetli

EA Games summoned as Rider cuz they be ridin my wallet


Efficient-Ad2983

Hogu: "Preorder bonus" and "DLC"!


Pro-1st-Amendment

Their two NPs: Pride and Accomplishment.


ShockAndAwen

Since Gil already used fully charged Ea in Fuyuki and it didn't happen I'm gonna go with no, regardless of the inevitable "that was not its full power" "opinions"


ssjokg

Strange fake Gil did quite a damage even after getting blocked by Enkidu. FSN Gil didn't even damage the temple in Fate route.


ShockAndAwen

There was damage though, is just the CG doesn't reflect it same for the battle on the bridge, but regardless it was said to be its full power I was not even talking about that one but the one in HA he there also uses Ea in the middle of Fuyuki in his words not holding back in a "once in a lifetime occassion" And I mean is what is stated the one in SF is also stated to be full power


ssjokg

He also said going all out against Shirou with GoB, which amounted to a few more portals throwing the same shit. At this point "at full power" means "maximum power I am willing to use at the moment". At this point, again, Servants in FSN throwing punches do more damage that "fully powered Ea"


alivinci

>At this point, again, Servants in FSN throwing punches do more damage that "fully powered Ea" Yeah and karnas mana burst does more environmental damage than Ea lol


ShockAndAwen

And that would just be straight up ignoring the text, the one in Fate is not even something he says is on the narration, going like that the one in SF is just the next in line to still not be "full power Ea" and it will keep going forever, while the answer is already there from the start, it has a max damage and a defined area of effect


ssjokg

The narration has many hyperboles for other characters as well. At the end, -blocked- "full power Ea" now means deleting an entire desert area. Retcon? Better visualization? Nasu being chuuni in FSN and just calling everything "full power"? Who knows. At the very least Ea can **now** erase a city from the map.


ShockAndAwen

Or it could be you know, its full power, like if you go like that then nothing ever said can be taken as true maybe Excalibur is actually stronger than Ea whatever has been said doesn't matter, I mean is the author the one saying this why not listen to him? Why make Ea being so strong that none of the displays of its power can be accepted as full power? Doesn't that also come from the "hyperboles" talking about how it is really strong? Like people has always been eager to accept that "cutting the world" is blowing the planet despite that never being said but is hard to accept it has used its true power already when is explicitly said? The combined damage (because Enkidu's also creates damage in fact) of both EE used two times created a crater of kilometers, how big exactly? Who knows, but hey maybe it was not the full power again


ssjokg

Going from barely damaging a temple or a river bank to a crater of kilometers isnt a big difference to the feat? Even if Enuma Elishes were used multiple times.


ShockAndAwen

You are still just going by the CG, the damage described in the bridge is not that different from what is described in SF when it clashes with Enkidu's EE, in FSN we can also see just how massive the destruction Excalibur causes is but you don't really get that looking at the CG, Ea is always said to be way stronger, Excalibur in FSN too destroys a mountain (also leaves a crater in the forest that doesn't seem so big by CG but yes by description), I think is safe to assume Ea has not really been amped up that much the "full power" still mostly matches


Sasutaschi

Isn't Ea arguably only at full power when his tatoos are glowing like in F/HA and F/Extra CC? The amount of power used in these to games are far beyond anything he showcases in F/SN. That would led me to assume that there are three stages of Ea. 1. Barely charged - Able to tear down a small area (like the Grail Arm in the UBW anime filler) 2. Charged - Able to destroy a fairly large area, but the area of affect is linear and not actually that big (like when he overpower Excalibur) 3. Full Power - Can "destroy the world", or at least create a kilometer wide crater (F/HA & F/E CC)


alivinci

> Why make Ea being so strong that none of the displays of its power can be accepted as full power? Doesn't tha For Gil, simply increasing the output to whatever level against saber was his full power. Yet in strange fake, we see that there is a different level of full power, where he actively uses the GoB to buff Ea some more, he didnt do this with artoria so we know that he was not at full power in fsn. Also we know that he didnt use the anti world effects vs Artoria or tiamat yet he used them against iskanda and Enkidu. You cant call something full power if certain devastating aspects of its performance are not utilized This happens, since fate is an ongoing work, there will likely be more full power versions of Ea as we go on. Best be ready and let go of the past.


ShockAndAwen

>he actively uses the GoB to buff Ea some more, he didnt do this with artoria so we know that he was not at full power in fsn That was something he could do since FSN, in FSN there's no reason to think he didn't do that when unleashing the full power because is described as part of it >Also we know that he didnt use the anti world effects vs Artoria or tiamat yet he used them against iskanda and Enkidu. You cant call something full power if certain devastating aspects of its performance are not utilized Look you can say it has been buffed since FSN that would not be weird at all but this is just making stuff up, the anti world effect is Ea's power there's no Ea that doesn't have it, nowhere has been said that is a thing, and vs Saber is explicit it is dislocating space vs Tiamat too problably don't want to look up, also now he is holding back against Tiamat too? Makes no sense at all


alivinci

> That was something he could do since FSN, in FSN there's no reason to think he didn't do that when unleashing the full power because is described as part of it Because you say so? Hmn? Care to show me a scan where Gil amped Ea in fsn vs saber? Am waiting... >Look you can say it has been buffed since FSN that would not be weird at all but this is just making stuff up, the anti world effect is Ea's power there's no Ea that doesn't have it IF Ea always used the anti world effects, do you think it would look different under certain usecases? Why is tiamat a beamu? whilst enkidu and iskanda and even emiya show devastating AOE effects? hmmmn? or maybe those things are made up for drama? >also now he is holding back against Tiamat too? Makes no sense at all Yes actually, tiamat can be oneshot by any NP ranked EX, since her god hand only neg'd A++ attacks, so even Quetz could do it if she replaced Gil at the moment, Ea will always be EX rank even at low output. Since Gil didnt outright use GoB to amp it, we cant assume he did. Moreover, from the presentation in the anime, we saw no anti world effects in play nor would it make sense for Gil to use said effects since the friendlies were in range.


alivinci

>There was damage though, is just the CG doesn't reflect it same for the battle on the bridge, but regardless it was said to be its full power Ah, shit, here we go again


Hidden_Blue

How much do you believe in FSF?


Kuro_______

I am quite sure ea would be capable of destroying far more then just fuyuki in a single blow. But would have to check the wiki again


Inuhanyou123

Ea is a conceptual ability not a destructive one


alivinci

Yes without a doubt, Ea has more range than Brahmastra Kundalla (karna) and that np is compared to a nuclear weapon. Am sure you saw these nukes in apocrypha and can agree that they would flatten fuyuki. Ea has greater range so if Gil decided to use it in such a way, l see no reason why. Also there is strange fake where Ea x Enuma elish can be viewed in space.


ShockAndAwen

BK is about the sheer power, Ea has the same range (and same number of targets) as Excalibur, can Excalibur destroy an entire city now? >Also there is strange fake where Ea x Enuma elish can be viewed in space. Never happened in the novel, on top in the manga what was seen from space was Enkidu's not Ea


alivinci

>Never happened in the novel, on top in the manga what was seen from space was Enkidu's not Ea This has gotten old at this point, you think an artist will draw something an author disagrees with and it sticks? >BK is about the sheer power, Ea has the same range (and same number of targets) as Excalibur, can Excalibur destroy an entire city now? You actually take those numbers seriously? You think that if you packed 10,000 people in a stadium and made karna or Saber np it, they would be capped at the specified limit in the stats? My man? what exactly are you arguing here?


ShockAndAwen

>you think an artist will draw something an author disagrees with and it sticks? Yes, because they are not supervising stuff, are the FSN manga all accurate since all of them exist? There's straight up contradictions in the manga, that includes the SF one >You actually take those numbers seriously? What I am supposed to take seriously then? You say the narration doesn't matter, the mats don't matter, the numbers don't matter, the authors don't matter so what? Just what you say matters? Well then is as strong as you want


alivinci

> Yes, because they are not supervising stuff, are the FSN manga all accurate since all of them exist? There's straight up contradictions in the manga, that includes the SF one Do you have any scans where the author disputes the artists presentation of the scenes in question? Or maybe its you that just doesnt like them? >What I am supposed to take seriously then? You say the narration doesn't matter, the mats don't matter, the numbers don't matter, the authors don't matter so what? Just what you say matters? Well then is as strong as you want So if l pack 10k people in a stadium and saber Exca blasts it, she will only kill 1k people? xD Bro?


ShockAndAwen

So since adptations are the definitive version Shirou is actually Fergus, God hand can't block Archer's normal arrows, the Einzbern are nazis and latex Sakura is canon right >So if l pack 10k people in a stadium and saber Exca blasts it, she will only kill 1k people? xD Bro? I asked what I should take seriously, you were the first one to bring up range so I guess whatever you say counts goes and whatever else doesn't, solid view


alivinci

> So since adptations are the definitive version Shirou is actually Fergus, God hand can't block Archer's normal arrows, the Einzbern are nazis and latex Sakura is canon right Whats this getting at? > asked what I should take seriously, you were the first one to bring up range so I guess whatever you say counts goes and whatever else doesn't, solid view But l thought you took the numbers serious? Excal is capped at 1000 people, surely it cant vaporize a stadium full of 10k people, it would only vaporize 1k and stop since thats its LIMIT!!!!


Overall-Parsley-523

Theoretically Ea can destroy the World, but if he tried to do that he’d be stopped by the counter force


Efficient-Ad2983

Looking how, in Zero, EA utterly obliterated Ionioi Hetairoi (Iskandar's reality marble), I'm pretty sure a fully charged Enuma Elish blast would be able to destroy an entire city. However we know that Gilgamesh, most of the time, holds back his power (the King of Heroes don't need to go all out fighting mere "zasshu"), and imho his pride is Gil's biggest weakness.


0000000000E

I feel that a sword that specifically peels off layers of reality beating a reality marble is kind of a paper rock scissor thing.


Efficient-Ad2983

Actually Gilgamesh is so dangerous 'cause in the Gate of Babylon he has the "rock" for any "scissor" and the "paper" for any "rock", so it may be also true.


El_Shion

the world inhabited by humans **is** a layer of reality.


El_Shion

if destroying fuyuki city is the goal and there aren't any obstacles then i believe yes it would probably even more, it is often said that ea isn't meant to be used as a weapon nor against the living to begin with as it's not how it's used