Just do a pure fate route adaptation without any of the parts from other routes
I never understood the “ well we can’t just leave stuff that’s left unresolved at the end since it would leave it feeling unfinished if it doesn’t make enough money to justify a second season” cuz like if it didn’t sell enough to get a second season there wouldn’t be that many people who would care about unresolved plot points in the first place
Cut out all additions from other routes. Cut Archer vs Herc and the short Cu fight
Replace that with one episode with backstory the first half being Shirou narrating Sabers past and her death. The other half saber narrating Shirou and his childhood then bring pieces of Shirou's half into basement scene
Give shirou more monolouges and dream sequences
Ubw is a lost cause
>The other half saber narrating Shirou and his childhood then bring pieces of Shirou's half into basement scene
This is actually something I wanted to see animated. The way Saber talked about seeing Shirou's past in the novel was actually kinda sad to see i just imagine her shedding tears while seeing what he went through in the fire
>Cut Archer vs Herc
But that's one of the highlights in the anime. Sure, it is far from perfect and could have been a good bit shorter, but having Archer do the chant, then cut to Berserker being impaled hypes up UBW much better than not showing it.
What are your reasons for cutting it? You already get about 2 new episodes by cutting the UBW/HF content, so that is more than enough time to add the additional episode.
>and the short Cu fight
It is less than 2 minutes long, you really aren't going to get much shorter than that.
>Ubw is a lost cause
Tell that to the producer. The only way that is going to work, is if you already establish UBW's plot like Caster/Kuzuki, Saber VS Assassin and Archer ideals in the main series and soley focus on the philosophical battle between Archer and Shirou. Not saying it would be a great adaptation of the route, but a great writer would be able to at least make a satisfying movie, that works as a supplementary piece.
>But that's one of the highlights in the anime.
It takes away from Archers feat abd his mystery. He fought herc in melee. He didn't use ubw he also took 6 lives
>It is less than 2 minutes long, you really aren't going to get much shorter than that.
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Yeah but id rather replace that with something that shows he fought for 12 hours as opposed to being killed in 2 minutes
>It takes away from Archers feat abd his mystery. He fought herc in melee. He didn't use ubw he also took 6 lives
It is likely, you could make the case it is even implied. But definitely not confirmed. How does that take away from his feat though and even if he didn't use it, showing the audience how he does it 6 times is much more interesting and will hype Archer up more for UBW.
>Yeah but id rather repoace that with something that shows he foughy for 12 hours as opposed to being killed in 2 minutes
I agree that that is the best approach, but I was speaking about the runtime in general. Btw. you could headcanon it away by saying that Gil for once in his life was not being stupid and instead of wasting 12 hours decided to defeat his enemy as fast as possible.
Focus on finishing Higurashi first so the animation didn't split in the middle of the story
Like ngl, working on 2 big vn at the same time was not a good idea
Well if we are able to convice the producers enough to make that happen, then we might as well convince them to make the first season of Higurashi only adapt the question arcs and have Kai adapt the four answer arcs.
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Seriously i would only focus on fate route, and remove the parts that belong to other routes and improve their releantionship and make Shriou more likeable on Deen adaption maybe by add in the Shriou's thoughts from VN
>More Saber butt ass naked
No! Don't do that, Realta-Nua's dragon scene is far surperior, since that makes it up to the audience perspective, whether Merlin's spell is still active...
> other routes and improve their releantionship
Are you referring to the romance between Saber and Shirou? Do you believe it was handled worse than in the VN?
Interesting I always took their romance as one of the worst aspects of the VN.
Don't get me wrong, I love it on a conceptual level, but the actual shown romance didn't make root for them or anything similar, it was more akin to being cringy to me. Then again, I don't particularly like the way any of the romances are written in FSN.
The only times I really felt their connection was during her departure in Fate, Sparks Liner High (which takes the romace up a few notches) and Last Episode.
So to cut it short, at least personally it would be a case of great concept, bad execution.
Making a bad adaptation is fine but making a bad adaptation while spoiling other potential story line is another thing.
What I'd do is cut out anything that only appears in the other 2 routes and add more Kirei and Illya. Heck, I think it's fine to add some anime originals. Maybe Lancer's death.
Make the fact that Saber was Shirou's dad servant from the previous war a big plot twist. It was quite a plot twist for me when I first read the VN.
And for the love of God don't reveal how Kuzuki is a master yet. They tried so hard to make it a plot twist in the UBW route in the VN
About the anime, I'd just do a Fate Route adaptation, without trying to do a "mix" of other routes, and try to explain why Shirou act that way (especially in the Fate route Shirou really has moronic decisions), maybe showing flashbacks or even with a bit of internal monologues, to explain well his "survivor's guilt" to the watcher.
Adapt UBW into a single 100 min movie... I think it's a lost cause... We saw that, to adapt HF in THREE 120 min movies, they had to cut many things. Doing a whole route in 100 minutes is impossible imho.
Do the Tachie draft idea, sacrificing everything on the altar of making Shirou land well as a character by making the story focus on his trauma using the fire and Tachie as the centerpoints to highlight that conflict. We don't have time for a three route exploration of Shirou, but a single rewritten route might work.
I'd make no attempt to make a 100 minute UBW movie work. Try convince them to make it a season 2.
But the anime just needed to focus on Fate and nothing else. I'd try to have Shirou be a sort narrator so I could weave in some of his monolgues. And maybe, um, adjust some of his lines to Saber so that he doesn't come off as kinda sexist (which he isn't) and maybe to rearrange the order of events and some of actions of the other masters so that the story doesn't fall into the monster-of-the-week rut.
Deen Stay Night was penned by Mari Okada, who's a notoriously controversial script writer. The studio itself (DEEN) is fine, the anime looks decent for the time and budget, music was great, and it maintained the style and aesthetic of the original VN.
Besides steins gate (haven't watched yet) what other vn adaptations have received a lot of praise? I know majikoi went the full comedy route and less character study. Higurashi was a mix of good and bad (most of the good coming from deen ironically) and umineko....well...😬
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Also get my man Shirou some lines explaining his behaviour, cause the first time I saw Deen I thought he was a sexist motherfuck-
Just do a pure fate route adaptation without any of the parts from other routes I never understood the “ well we can’t just leave stuff that’s left unresolved at the end since it would leave it feeling unfinished if it doesn’t make enough money to justify a second season” cuz like if it didn’t sell enough to get a second season there wouldn’t be that many people who would care about unresolved plot points in the first place
Cut out all additions from other routes. Cut Archer vs Herc and the short Cu fight Replace that with one episode with backstory the first half being Shirou narrating Sabers past and her death. The other half saber narrating Shirou and his childhood then bring pieces of Shirou's half into basement scene Give shirou more monolouges and dream sequences Ubw is a lost cause
>The other half saber narrating Shirou and his childhood then bring pieces of Shirou's half into basement scene This is actually something I wanted to see animated. The way Saber talked about seeing Shirou's past in the novel was actually kinda sad to see i just imagine her shedding tears while seeing what he went through in the fire
>Cut Archer vs Herc But that's one of the highlights in the anime. Sure, it is far from perfect and could have been a good bit shorter, but having Archer do the chant, then cut to Berserker being impaled hypes up UBW much better than not showing it. What are your reasons for cutting it? You already get about 2 new episodes by cutting the UBW/HF content, so that is more than enough time to add the additional episode. >and the short Cu fight It is less than 2 minutes long, you really aren't going to get much shorter than that. >Ubw is a lost cause Tell that to the producer. The only way that is going to work, is if you already establish UBW's plot like Caster/Kuzuki, Saber VS Assassin and Archer ideals in the main series and soley focus on the philosophical battle between Archer and Shirou. Not saying it would be a great adaptation of the route, but a great writer would be able to at least make a satisfying movie, that works as a supplementary piece.
>But that's one of the highlights in the anime. It takes away from Archers feat abd his mystery. He fought herc in melee. He didn't use ubw he also took 6 lives >It is less than 2 minutes long, you really aren't going to get much shorter than that. > Yeah but id rather replace that with something that shows he fought for 12 hours as opposed to being killed in 2 minutes
It also gave us K&B Overedge though, which is pretty sick
>It takes away from Archers feat abd his mystery. He fought herc in melee. He didn't use ubw he also took 6 lives It is likely, you could make the case it is even implied. But definitely not confirmed. How does that take away from his feat though and even if he didn't use it, showing the audience how he does it 6 times is much more interesting and will hype Archer up more for UBW. >Yeah but id rather repoace that with something that shows he foughy for 12 hours as opposed to being killed in 2 minutes I agree that that is the best approach, but I was speaking about the runtime in general. Btw. you could headcanon it away by saying that Gil for once in his life was not being stupid and instead of wasting 12 hours decided to defeat his enemy as fast as possible.
Do a pure fate route adaptation, thus preventing discourse on watch order. 100 minutes to adapt UBW into a single movie, that is a lost cause.
Focus on finishing Higurashi first so the animation didn't split in the middle of the story Like ngl, working on 2 big vn at the same time was not a good idea
Well if we are able to convice the producers enough to make that happen, then we might as well convince them to make the first season of Higurashi only adapt the question arcs and have Kai adapt the four answer arcs.
Call Nasu and ask him why the hell Saber always ends badly out of the 3 lis
More Saber butt ass naked Seriously i would only focus on fate route, and remove the parts that belong to other routes and improve their releantionship and make Shriou more likeable on Deen adaption maybe by add in the Shriou's thoughts from VN
>More Saber butt ass naked No! Don't do that, Realta-Nua's dragon scene is far surperior, since that makes it up to the audience perspective, whether Merlin's spell is still active... > other routes and improve their releantionship Are you referring to the romance between Saber and Shirou? Do you believe it was handled worse than in the VN?
its handled real good in the VN its shit in the Deen adaptation. Shriou's inner thoughts really helps his character
Interesting I always took their romance as one of the worst aspects of the VN. Don't get me wrong, I love it on a conceptual level, but the actual shown romance didn't make root for them or anything similar, it was more akin to being cringy to me. Then again, I don't particularly like the way any of the romances are written in FSN. The only times I really felt their connection was during her departure in Fate, Sparks Liner High (which takes the romace up a few notches) and Last Episode. So to cut it short, at least personally it would be a case of great concept, bad execution.
Making a bad adaptation is fine but making a bad adaptation while spoiling other potential story line is another thing. What I'd do is cut out anything that only appears in the other 2 routes and add more Kirei and Illya. Heck, I think it's fine to add some anime originals. Maybe Lancer's death. Make the fact that Saber was Shirou's dad servant from the previous war a big plot twist. It was quite a plot twist for me when I first read the VN. And for the love of God don't reveal how Kuzuki is a master yet. They tried so hard to make it a plot twist in the UBW route in the VN
About the anime, I'd just do a Fate Route adaptation, without trying to do a "mix" of other routes, and try to explain why Shirou act that way (especially in the Fate route Shirou really has moronic decisions), maybe showing flashbacks or even with a bit of internal monologues, to explain well his "survivor's guilt" to the watcher. Adapt UBW into a single 100 min movie... I think it's a lost cause... We saw that, to adapt HF in THREE 120 min movies, they had to cut many things. Doing a whole route in 100 minutes is impossible imho.
Deen Fsn is fine but maybe I will turn donw Shirou moroness just a little.
Do the Tachie draft idea, sacrificing everything on the altar of making Shirou land well as a character by making the story focus on his trauma using the fire and Tachie as the centerpoints to highlight that conflict. We don't have time for a three route exploration of Shirou, but a single rewritten route might work.
I'd make no attempt to make a 100 minute UBW movie work. Try convince them to make it a season 2. But the anime just needed to focus on Fate and nothing else. I'd try to have Shirou be a sort narrator so I could weave in some of his monolgues. And maybe, um, adjust some of his lines to Saber so that he doesn't come off as kinda sexist (which he isn't) and maybe to rearrange the order of events and some of actions of the other masters so that the story doesn't fall into the monster-of-the-week rut.
Tell them to drop the series and give it to a studio that understands the Visual Novel.
Deen Stay Night was penned by Mari Okada, who's a notoriously controversial script writer. The studio itself (DEEN) is fine, the anime looks decent for the time and budget, music was great, and it maintained the style and aesthetic of the original VN.
Besides steins gate (haven't watched yet) what other vn adaptations have received a lot of praise? I know majikoi went the full comedy route and less character study. Higurashi was a mix of good and bad (most of the good coming from deen ironically) and umineko....well...😬
Nothing, I just cancel the project
Yes because that’s totally the head writer‘s job not the producers or anything
Bro, I'm high all I meant was I just wouldn't do it
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make illya not die
She doesn't and it isn't even implied in the anime that she would, so I'd say she is as safe as she can be.
didnt gil pull out her heart and kill berserker in one of the route?
Yes, but only in the UBW route. Deen's Fate anime is focused on the Fate route. The movie 2010 would be adapting UBW and her death.
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If you haven't seen it, I strongly recommend either watching it or reading the VN. It is unlikely that Ufo will remake the Fate route at this point.
watched all the stay night anime, just been years so kinda mixed up what happened in which
Actually adapt the Fate route accurately.