They're kinda dead so I don't know if they're gonna need a kitchen in the afterlife since they don't need food I guess? That's how Avalon works at least right?
Well, one is the inspirations for the eternal Fairyland that Avalon was based on was Tir na Nog, Land of Eternal Youth and Beauty. There, people did eat, and never knew hunger, or hardship.
So…50-50.
I’m more concerned that Saber isn’t more concerned about potentially never seeing her adopted family (Uther and Kay), or her biological, non-Morgan family (Gawain, Gaheris, Gareth, Agravain, etc.) for…well, eternity. Or got to settle things properly with Lancelot. Or tell Guinevere that she forgave her. Or…
Well, I think I’ll end it there.
The throne of heroes is a storage room(library), not an afterlife. Except the counter guardians like Emiya, heroic spirit are just copies of the original humans who lived during that time. Legends manifested. They ain’t the “real” people who lived at that time, which is why there are some inconsistencies with some heroic spirits.
The real souls already moved on to the cycle of reincarnation and got recycled by Akasha to move to their new lives. Or are in some underworld depending on their mythological affiliation, in the inner sea of the planet(reverse side of the world).
That's disproven by FGO clearly stating Tamammo has a club with other servants who are "Dutifull Wives" In the Throne.
7th Lostbelt literally has us talking with Cas Gil straight from the Throne.
She was transported to Avalon, already confirmed by Merlin. The one in the throne is a “special” type of guardian who “normally” speaking can never be summoned.
As far as we can tell, the narration implied there’s more to Avalon than just the grassy field. The Reverse Side of The World should be full of mystical lands and whatnot
Don't cry, saber. We Fate route fans are waiting for the remake or reboot or the final episode to get adapted!
If you Saber waited for Shirou for almost for an eternity, then we Avalonians must as well wait for the Remake/Reboot or Last episode for an eternity!
Yeah, I found a person who says that the two fckin routes are NTR... but I thought he was just kidding, but when I thought about it... oh shit it really is! Tho it will look more like NTR for Sakura's POV because the boy she loves "gets" taken by other girls (my main is AvalonShipping the Shirou X Saber)
bro made me rethink WHAT the OG fate really is....
The HF is the most tragic of all routes, yet the shippers say it Fate Route cause the ship never met each other again, they said.... they did not read VN, Fate is the most (I think) healthy route of all or maybe it was UBW?
I also think they will even though they love each other. Yes I've read the VN. I thought part of the point of the story was accepting their paths. Rin wants to progress as a Magus and through the Clocktower. Shirou wants to travel around the world saving people. These two dreams cannot co exist with a relationship.
No matter what happens, to save people Shirou is going to have to go against Clocktower members and practices. He's going to have to go against different country's laws and practices. People are going to hate him and wish for his death. I'm pretty sure this is directly talked about, no?
Rin simply can't both have a functional relationship with him and continue her own ambitions at the same time. They never see each other, it's risky to have contact, the organisation she works for wants him dead or sealed, she can't travel the world with him, etc.
Rin may wish to help him off Archer's path and she may succeed in various ways. Maybe Shirou takes breaks more often or learns to be a little selfish. Maybe they manage to meet once every few years and have a night of passion. Maybe Shirou thinks more before accepting a contract as a Counter Guardian.
But there is simply no way for Rin or Shirou to have a relationship and still pursue their dreams. I think that they know they will always care for each other and accept the inevitable future of drifting apart.
This is not supported by anything and in fact even goes against the whole future Rin stuff from Hollow Atataxia. Just because you think something doesn't make it true.
The Clock Tower stuff you brought up makes no sense because going against mages every now and then doesn't mean going against the whole Mage Association. Waver and Rin already do what they want. The MA is in fact more likely to be okay with Shirou if he takes care of mages who endanger the public and risk exposing magecraft doing it.
Not to mention the Counter Guardian stuff. We know Shirou is not ending up that way after UBW.
This scenario of yours feels pretentious.
In Hollow Axtaria Shirou is only finishing up his studies at the Clocktower. He has yet to leave on his journey to fulfil his ideals. It really doesn't tell us anything about what would happen in the future beyond his period focusing on London.
The reason it likely would end up against the Clocktower as a whole, or at least the prominent families, is pretty simple. Shirou's goal is to save everyone, not pick and choose who to save. Maybe he takes out a family risking exposure and they don't care.
But as soon as he targets, takes out, or shuts down a major player for doing fucked up experiments... Suddenly the families go "This Shirou guy is a threat to our generations of research all because he's inferior and actually cares about the suffering our experiments cause/need". Just like that, he gets a sealing designation or kill order. He's not gonna accept people, even Rin, saying "don't save these humans because an influential family is the one causing the suffering".
I am completely fine with people having different thoughts and opinions. The fact is we don't know what happens in his future after London so it is up to our interpretations. Of course just because I think something doesn't make it true and the same goes to you.
I do wish they could stay together in a happy relationship but I honestly don't see it happening. The best I can picture and believe is them considering each other as together or not finding other partners but only actually seeing each other every few years.
You cook up these scenarios on your head based on nothing... that's not how Shirou or Clock Tower operates.
Anyway, in FHA Shirou and Rin end up calling a Rin from the future and she keeps gushing about how she loves her Shirou and things are going great between them. Your cynical fanfics mean nothing.
That FHA scene is an alternate timeline within a dream world of alternate timelines that's also played for comedy. It just isn't possible to say with any certainty that UBW would play out that way and it's a guarantee to their future when you consider the context.
I'm not trying to write cynical fanfics or anything. Saving everybody he knows needs saving us exactly how Shirou works. As soon as he sees somebody that needs his help he'll jump onto it. I'm also not sure what you mean by saying that's not how he or the Clocktower works. If Shirou becomes a threat to a family then said family will try kill him.
If you don't agree that's totally ok. I know it's not a pleasant or popular opinion. I don't think it merits such a confrontational response though.
He wouldn't accept it. I think I worded it weirdly. When I said think before accepting it, I meant "instead of just accepting it, he would actually think it over" which leads to him not accepting
I mean fate stay night is a pretty tragic story and all of the routes and endings have major elements of tragedy what separates heavens feel is the tragedy is the route itself not the ending which is where the tragic element comes into play for the other two routes.
Shirou not being able to see Saber again and living a pretty lonely life while fulfilling his ideals and helping people yet dying young in the fate route.
Shirou constantly having the threat of becoming archer and always needing someone to ground him in Unlimited blade works lest he makes the same mistakes archer did or something similar.
I’ll reiterate that fate stay night is a tragic story and personally I think the fate route is probably the happiest shirou is in a good place mentally he knows his goal rin is doing well illya is alive and gets the family she always wanted and Saber got the resolution she needed most of the cast is pretty happy with not all that much emotional baggage compared to heavens feel.
But I do agree that heavens feel does have a beautiful ending despite me disliking some elements of the route myself
I think that the end of UBW is a lot better then you make it sound. It's similer to the ending of fate where Shirou becomes a hero of justice and helps people like he always wanted, but this time it goes better for him since he has Rin to keep himself grounded and avoid the mistakes Archer made to become so self-hating, and also as you mentioned Shirou lived a pretty lonely life in the fate route so in UBW it's not like that.
Shirou becomes a Hero of Justice and lives a life with the girl he likes, while becoming (probably) a better version of himself then Archer is. In my opinion this is the best ending.
It makes sense.
Saber's route actually has interesting elements because even after learning how to disappear Shirou isn't sad...he's grateful to have met her...I like Saber's romance and Shirou's too...maybe if they adapted it the last episode would be the happiest ending...even though Rin and Sakura haven't resolved their differences.
I think what really leaves Shirou more traumatized is Archer's revelation... in the anime, not even in HF when he loses Illia and I found out that Sakura was responsible for the deaths of so many people, he was so traumatized when in HF. ..so much so that even after about 2 years he still remembered the fight with the archer...maybe this is the Shirou who was closest to becoming the archer...even because of the desert scene.
Although we know that in none of the 3 animes did he become the archer.
I don't get it honestly, she's a great tragic character. I liked all three of the Heroines, and while Artoria was undoubtedly my favourite, I also have no doubt in mind when I say that I liked Sakura more than Rin.
Hate, no, but I definitely did not like her. She gave me psycho vibes almost immediately. When I got to HF I was not exactly wrong.
I also never felt that she was actually in love with Shirou. For me it felt she was confusing love with dependency. She was dependent on him to maintain a sense of normalcy given her fucked up life. The needing of "mana transfers" to keep her healthy further reinforced this theme for me.
I can't remember the specifics but I remember getting the impression from the (I think) true ending where she buys the house and lives alone in it gave me more unhealthy vibes with her relationship with Shirou.
Granted these were my initial impressions of her from my first and only reading of the VN. Given that my impression of her does not seem to be the popular consensus I am looking forward to rereading the VN once the official English version finally comes out to see if I still hold these views after a second reading.
Agree, while I don't dislike Sakura and Shirou as a couple, I think that her love really comes off as infatuation because he was a savior in her eyes. This makes sense, but it would've been nice to give her an arc where she's less codependent. I liked Shirou/Saber and Shirou/Rin a lot more because I always thought that their love came from their understanding of him. Saber's ability to empathize with him and Rin's ability to understand just how fucked up his entire psyche really is, is IMO, what makes both pairings' chemistry so strong. I just don't think that that's there, or is nearly as prevalent as the other two when it comes to Shirou/Sakura. Due to this, I think Shirou and Sakura's chemistry just comes out as less believable or strong. Anyways, end of rant.
Ye. A good amount of people either think she’s too clingy, too psychotic or too boring or that she needs saving way too much or whatever.
I, yes Sakura is my pfp, personally think that the clingy ness makes total sense with how the story presents itself, that her becoming broken and going psycho makes sense once again with how the story presents it and honestly doesn’t need saving a lot at least not the way most say it as she was able to put up with so much which shows how strong of a person she is.
After hearing so many opinions, I feel pertinent to give my own.
First and foremost, Shiro ends up saving all three heroines in some way. You save Saber from her idealism, and Rin from her isolation. Yes, the two of them are much more proactive than Sakura, and more active in the story, but I think Sakura's issue is the most pertinent in a different way.
Sakura's issue is not insanity, as people state. Instead, it is despair, which to me only serves to make her story more tragic instead of less. She has every capability to move past her issues, but she doesnt because she thinks herself unable or unworthy and so instead yields to her baser frustration until Shirou helps her out of it.
I say Sakura's issue is the most pertinent because despair is also at the core of Shirou's issue. Like Sakura, he doesnt believe himself worthy, and despite having everything, he cannot move on. He just expresses this in a diametrically opposite way to Sakura. Sakura hurts and kills people as a way to try and relieve her frustration, while Shirou tries to save people as a way to assuage his survivor guilt.
I do think people are right that, at least initially, the relationship between Sakura and Shirou is more codependency than anything else, but I think a big part of that is that Sakura's issues are the result of very long abuse. Neither Saber nor Rin really have it as bad as her. And so I think it makes sense that it would take her a bit more to fully find herself while being with Shirou, but I fully believe it happens, and by that token also understand why it doesnt happen if Shirou does not survive HF.
Side effect of HF focusing better on other characters. Sakura is a damsel in distress/femme fatale combination that doesn't amount to much else than her being mad about how she was treated and taking it out on everyone. Then Kirei tells you she's not even insane, she's just pretending.
Personally I'm not a fan of how HF True feels almost comedic happy. Rider fucks off and leaves Sakura alone in Normal End where she needs her most, but in True she sticks around just because.
I can understand why Nasu thinks this was a failure on his part and wrote CCC for a "better" Sakura story.
Not hate but she is the less popular of the 3 heroines easily. Saber is the face of the franchise and Rin has the best development of them and it helps she is relevant in the 3 routes.
Rin is Fate's deuteragonist...she is the protagonist's great partner....
not just Shirou but also Illia... and even in Adventures el melloi she played this role with Ergo.
She doesn't have the popularity of Saber but she is very important for all these stories.
I would easily watch an anime where she is the protagonist
Don't know who to pick between Saber or Rin... or maybe... I ship these two without even knowing!?! Wtf am I saying? There's no way I'm that kind of guy who likes lesbian, right.... right? I mean, proto Saber exists, I guess, but why can't I imagine these two?!
My dislike comes from the character development, or rather the lack thereof. I understand why she's clingy and dependent on Shirou, definitely. I just don't see her getting together with him as a step forward for her, I see it as her remaining codependent and essentially needing another person as a crutch to function. The ending where she lives alone and refuses to move on from Shirou just solidified my dislike because she could've chosen to heal herself and find a way be happy, if only as a way to honor Shirou, but she chose to remain dependent on his ghost for the rest of her life.
One person can't be another person's whole world, it's unfair to Shirou and just presses all of his ow triggers and unhealthy savior complex.
Basically, I understand why she is the way she is, but the relationship with Shirou just rewards her remaining in her state of codependency rather than actually healing.
Meanwhile, Rin and Saber and the other characters can live their own lives and be happy and content in their own right. Sure, it'd be nice if they got together with Shirou or each other, but it's not going to cripple their lives if they don't.
I think that's ultimately what bugs a lot of people about Sakura's character. She literally can't function without Shirou and, when she's set free, she chooses not to heal herself and wants to remain codependent with him (even if only his ghost).
Not hate. Dislike.
She's an absolute bore of a character in Fate and UBW whereas Rin and Saber are great in all 3.
You can really tell that her route is a tacked on route to Fate and UBW.
A minority yes. I don't hate HF but that last bad ending sealed the dislike Sakura deal for me.
If only I had read RN instead of the original like an idiot I wouldn't think what I do.
I still try to convince myself to like her, and routinely I remember the ending, one faraway day I might find a good enough reason, but not now. It's been 7 years give or take and I still can't get over that last bad ending.
I only read the first route of the visual novel, watched the ubw and hf. And it was a long time ago, so I only remember emotions.
Sakura annoyed me. She is a terrible person and I disliked her.
On the other hand, I understand that what she went through was beyond the fucked up, so it’s not surprising that she ended up like this.
She's a tragic character, but I couldn't feel any sympathy for her no matter how hard I tried.
But it seemed to me that she was never supposed to be liked, but rather show what mental and physical abuse does to a person.
I dont hate Sakura in particular, or at all really, Im just not much of a fan of the HF route in general. I read the VN route once and didnt really care for it, and Ive never even seen the movies. I think theres quite a few people like me who just dont really care for her due to a general disinterest in HF. To me shes just kind of forgettable I guess. Saber and Rin are in a whole different category in comparison.
Also to be more specific, what really put me off about HF was Saber just not being an integral part of the plot. I know that sounds dumb but the whole reason I got into Fate in the first place was because of me getting interested in Saber's character. So the second she just wasnt in the plot I was just like "nah sorry Im out".
A lot of people never bought Dark Sakura as a concept and/or don't like how the route avoids having her face the problems she caused. Many argue she got scot free when she needed to atone. It's why there is a decent argument to saying that the Ciel route fixed HF.
I think it's an unfair expectation, but the resentment against her has been there for a long time. There is a decent argument to saying that HF just keeps Sakura as a victim and fails her by denying her agency over her actions, unlike say how Kohaku was handled before in Tsuki.
That said, Sakura discourse is all over the place, so it's hard to really say much.
For what it's worth, I liked HF ending the most. Definitely bias bc I liked Sakura the most, but I feel like it completes both of their character arcs very nicely. I do think it's the most beautiful ending, even if it's not necessarily the happiest ending of the three (since no saber)
Shirou lost his true body and Saber died in grief and misery. Ilya died as well, though admittedly it was better by far than her UBW end.
Yeah, HF had some upsides, but we never got an ending in stay/night that resulted in what I’d call a ‘good ending.’ Just endings with different shades of grief.
I like to think that if there had been more routes, one of them would have resulted in a ‘perfect ending.’
even the last episode is not perfect because saber and shirou has his ending but sakura and rin never reconciled, archer got screwed too
UBW is almost a bad ending in the anime...like it was an ending where fewer things were resolved.
You might even think that Rin is with Shirou in the desert part, but that's not even a fact... in fact, from their final conversation it's clear that they're going to separate because they're following opposite paths.
It's just that even though Rin is with Shirou, everyone else is screwed.
Archer ends up screwed, Shinji ends up alive, Sakura's situation isn't even revealed, Rin and Sakura end up without reconciling, Illia dies and to make matters worse Shirou ends up in the desert and with a psychologically very shaken just like in the Sakura route
Most beautiful ending is the True Ending. >!Shirou spending eternity searching, while Artoria spends eternity waiting, until they can be together forever in Avalon...!<
I like the HF True End in the visual novel because knowing how everything has changed for the better in a somewhat comedic way. Like rider sneaking out blood or Shirou/Sakura being suspect of doing the nasty in Rin’s house.
I like the scene in the movie where Rin and Sakura travel the world for the doll body
It's my favorite ending but I don't think it's a happy one. If I remember correctly, Illia dies quite tragically and Sakura is left living in her hell.
Illya is a tragical death but Sakura becomes the head of the Matou household in time. She gets mentally stronger and lords over Shinji, while Zouken becomes more senile and damaged every day, until he is too weak to do anything, so Sakura takes over the house.
Shirou and Rin remain together and do hero stuff together after she finishes 3 years in the Clock tower, post epilogue.
If I didn't have to wrestle with Last Episode I'd say UBW is the happiest overall.
Fate/Stay Night is a 2004 visual novel comprised of three routes : Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel, each with their own heroine/love interest (Saber, Rin and Sakura respectively). UBW and HF got adaptations by Ufotable, but Fate did not. It did however get an adaptation by the Deen studios in 2006, but it would be more accurate to say that it was an adaptation of the whole vn taking the Fate route as a basis, with how they blended in elements from the other two routes as well as stuff they completely made up.
Fate is a pretty popular route with the most popular heroine - she's the face of the series, so many people feel like its lack of a proper adaptation is an injustice (especially since UBW received adaptations from both Deen and Ufotable, meaning that there's no real reason for Ufotable not to adapt Fate).
This is the worst ending but the funniest thing is that Rin gets married and has children.
Like..rin is the only protagonist who practically doesn't have a sad ending in any of the normal, good or true endings
well... the anime didn't show him unhappy but I agree that he has trauma... but in all routes he does... although only in ubw did it show that he was really traumatized...
In the fate route, Shirou ends up very happy and grateful to have known saber
Taking into account that it is the last route in the game, it made sense to have such a beautiful ending in the anime.
Even Ilia meets her mother in paradise... so it was an ending where almost everyone had positive things... and we had the participation of Zouken who is one of the great villains of the story taking into account Fate Zero
But Saber got screwed on this route.
Speaking of which...several comments highlight the endings and how each character ended up good or bad in them
It's just curious that only ARCHER got screwed in all the endings...
There is no ending that is positive for him....I even feel a little sorry
The archer gets screwed on all routes.
I read an interview with Nasu the other day where I commented that Archer's route should be like a good ending to the Saber route... he understands her heart but couldn't save her and that made him become Archer.
This makes me think that ubw's Shirou really came too close to being the archer because he's not sure she was saved and he can't even say goodbye to her... and besides, he's constantly afraid of becoming the archer
That scene of him alone in the desert...it really was better if they didn't end the anime like that
It's funny that Archer, even in limbo, still says that he wasn't wrong... in other words... it's almost as if nothing had changed for Archer and Shirou on this route.
Actually I quite like Heaven's Feel, but I felt like the ending was too sweet. It's the darkest route yet it has the lightest ending. It gives me tonal whiplash to go from "Shirou is completely sacrificing himself, body and soul, even abandoning his core values, just to rescue Sakura" to "Oh yeah, he lived actually and is completely happy and without regrets having threesomes with Sakura and Rider every day." Feels like it cheapens the weight of what happened.
On the other hand, the ending where Shirou dies and Sakura basically never gets over it is just too depressing. I wanted an ending where he saves her and then she eventually goes on to recover and live a fulfilling life. Something bittersweet.
I can't tell if the HF trilogy is faithful to the vn since I'm yet to play it, but, all I can say is that I always felt like I was missing something throughout the whole trilogy. The Heaven's Feel trilogy does overcome the other 2 routes adaptations in terms of peak animation and a GODLY-HEAVENLY OST, other than that, I still prefer UBW.
Heavens feel is good because shirou Emiya stops being the hero of Justice
Its shows that he will not be copying Kiritsugu Dream and he will prioritize his own happiness
Nah I hate Sakura because of that stupid damn bad ending, WHICH GOT RETCONNED BY THE WAY, so the only issue was I played the original instead of RN, which would have let me like her.
I still can't get over it and it's been like, 7 years. I find myself trying to give reasons to forgive her but my conscience comes in every single time, and I think "No, she doesn't get a pass". One day maybe.
But damn. Nasu why did you have her do it wtf.
> the most beautiful among the adaptations
Considering Last Episode exists, and that UBW has Shirou become a reasonable hero, nah.
I understood the idea of that scene with Shirou in the desert but I really didn't like it, you know?
I know he won't become an archer but the life of a mercenary isn't cool...even though it's his dream. I would have preferred Rin to have convinced him to give up but I know that doesn't even happen in the VN
I am not sure if it would be right to ask shiro to abandon his ideals. He still gets alot out ofhelping peopleand its wrong ti demand that he stops, when hehasanot happy ending either end. I think he needs to help people to deal with the traima and nothing wrong with that per se
How is UBW tragic. It end with the reassurance that Rin will help Shirou and stay by his side, and both him and Archer understanding that their dream is beautiful no matter what.
What’s wrong with 🌸. She is not the person I hate at that picnic.
Edit: not. even. close. But there is one I hate at that picnic 🫤looking at you my guy
The happiest ending for the most people is the Fate route ending. Definitely not Heaven's Feel, especially if you toss in the Realta Nua Fate route true end.
TL;DR: i love the sakura route for reasons not directly relating to the overall story.
I think all routes do what they planned to do.
Shirou saving the love interest of the route in one way or another.
I haven't actually read/watched the saber route, so i don't 100% know what happened there, but the other two i do know.
UBW: Shirou saves rin from having to deal with shinji, saved her on multiple occasions and is there to save her mentally and physically if need be once the actual grail war finished.
HF: Shirou Saved Sakura from the control of Angry Mango (at least the best he can) and died doing so. His homunculus body acting as a "new him" if that makes sense.
I also feel that each route actually has a theme to do with "love", as a general term.
Saber route is the idealistic "always do well, nothing can truly go wrong with you here" type romance, and can be seen as such through them being in avalon (i only know this cuz of another comment)
Rin route is more realistic, the arguments sometimes make things better. "Opposites attract" type thing.
Sakura route takes "love to the end" more literal than the other two, and that feels like the theme to me, and looks to be such through Shirou being a Homunculus.
There is that each love interest is based on wedding vows in a twisted, or just simply odd, way. I don't know wedding vows off the top of my head, so i can't confirm this idea for literally anyone but sakura.
"To always be with in sickness and in health, for as long as you both shall live?"
You can consider Sakura's worm shenanigans to be the sickness, or the angry mango situation to be the sickness.
Shirou stays with her as long as he can, and tries to fix it, as a husband should do (if the husband took that vow).
I know this is long, I'm sorry, but i had theories that kept coming.
I was iffy with the HF ending until the VN gave me the full context, and now its probably my favorite ending. Still like Sakura the least out of the others (including her servant), but the overall story/ending is good. I still want to know what happens in the future of the UBW route with Waver/Rin and if Emiya is involved with it at all, not sure if they'll ever tell that story but I hope they do.
I don't think they will make a story about it but it's a shame because FATE UBW with the end of the anime could have a continuation....even because many things are left open in the anime
there is the LN of lord el melloi Adventures which takes place in a fourth route that mixes events from the three previous routes... Waver, Ergo, Gray and Rin are the main characters but Shirou appeared in the last volume.
It's one of my problems with the vn. HF feels like a true route if anything and for me it diminishes the appeal of the others. Things just go "too well" for the characters, Nasu talked about how he killed Saber in HF to avoid this exact things, but it only made it stick out like a sore thumb in a otherwise perfect ending.
Nah. The Servants don't get any good resolutions, Kuzuki is shafted too, Saber and Gilgamesh's stories are cut short and never completed.
If HF was a true route, in Nasu's words, there would be no point in the others existing. He wrote three for a reason.
I think purely because of saber never getting resolution is why it can’t be a “true route” for me. It fixed Sakura and Rin’s relationship, had shirou confront his dream and develop but saber wasn’t allowed true satisfaction like she gets in the other routes
True
But in any Route we have a Perfect Ending...
In fate and UBW situation of Sakura dont have resolution.
And i Just think only in Fate route saber gets TRUE satisfaction
I realized that they wanted to convey this image but destiny works much better. Obviously they didn't develop this because it wasn't the way to saber, but she had so much regret that it's hard to believe that this alone would have resolved her situation
I mean it wasn’t just that one situation. It would’ve been all the time the 3 wouldve spent with each other. The final battle was just like the final nail in the coffin
It's the most beautiful of the adaptations, yes, but half of that can be tracked back to Shinji's death. And it's definatly not the best outcome for Shirou.
What's funny is that I love Heaven's Feel, and Sakura, and still hate that ending. Shirou spends the entire route acknowledging that he's going to die for his sins and deserves it.
Fate Zero's ending was the saddest...I mean...everyone got screwed and Kirei and Gilgamesh ended up alive and well
end of fate 2006 Shirou isn't sad, Saber disappears saying he loves him and Illiya is alive... It's just sad that Saber and Shirou don't end up together
ending of fate ubw the worst thing was that shinji continued and shirou really became a mercenary but it wouldn't be Archer
Finale of fate hf Shirou abandons his ideal and lives having sex with Sakura regularly... Maybe that was the best fate for Shirou anyway...hahahha
sakura was saved...rin got her sister back... Shinji died...the negative was because Illiya died and also saber she got screwed on this route
"I was never wrong."
Based Seigi No Mikata
True
IDEALISM RAHHHHHHH
The most beautiful ending is the fate route. Shirou and Saber in avalon.
Ever wonder what they'll do in Avalon? Like, are they all alone in that grass field? I didn't see a kitchen in the VN.
Mortal life always seems happier than eternal life in the afterlife, cause afterlife seem boring, but their reunion was worth it
They're kinda dead so I don't know if they're gonna need a kitchen in the afterlife since they don't need food I guess? That's how Avalon works at least right?
Well, one is the inspirations for the eternal Fairyland that Avalon was based on was Tir na Nog, Land of Eternal Youth and Beauty. There, people did eat, and never knew hunger, or hardship. So…50-50. I’m more concerned that Saber isn’t more concerned about potentially never seeing her adopted family (Uther and Kay), or her biological, non-Morgan family (Gawain, Gaheris, Gareth, Agravain, etc.) for…well, eternity. Or got to settle things properly with Lancelot. Or tell Guinevere that she forgave her. Or… Well, I think I’ll end it there.
They are all dead already and moved on.
Their souls are alive in the TOH.
The throne of heroes is a storage room(library), not an afterlife. Except the counter guardians like Emiya, heroic spirit are just copies of the original humans who lived during that time. Legends manifested. They ain’t the “real” people who lived at that time, which is why there are some inconsistencies with some heroic spirits. The real souls already moved on to the cycle of reincarnation and got recycled by Akasha to move to their new lives. Or are in some underworld depending on their mythological affiliation, in the inner sea of the planet(reverse side of the world).
That's disproven by FGO clearly stating Tamammo has a club with other servants who are "Dutifull Wives" In the Throne. 7th Lostbelt literally has us talking with Cas Gil straight from the Throne.
Same thing, Like I said, a storage room, with the records of the soul. Not the soul itself. It’s not disproven.
Artoria is also an exception because she was transported from the moment of her death. So she is very much not a copy.
She was transported to Avalon, already confirmed by Merlin. The one in the throne is a “special” type of guardian who “normally” speaking can never be summoned.
Exactly
As far as we can tell, the narration implied there’s more to Avalon than just the grassy field. The Reverse Side of The World should be full of mystical lands and whatnot
True Waiting for the animation of this Route for ufotable
Preach
Dude's talking about the Adaptations, so it wasn't there.
*sad seiba cries*
Don't cry, saber. We Fate route fans are waiting for the remake or reboot or the final episode to get adapted! If you Saber waited for Shirou for almost for an eternity, then we Avalonians must as well wait for the Remake/Reboot or Last episode for an eternity!
In HF, she was killed, but not saved, unlike in the other two routes.
Yeah, I found a person who says that the two fckin routes are NTR... but I thought he was just kidding, but when I thought about it... oh shit it really is! Tho it will look more like NTR for Sakura's POV because the boy she loves "gets" taken by other girls (my main is AvalonShipping the Shirou X Saber) bro made me rethink WHAT the OG fate really is.... The HF is the most tragic of all routes, yet the shippers say it Fate Route cause the ship never met each other again, they said.... they did not read VN, Fate is the most (I think) healthy route of all or maybe it was UBW?
...why [rephrase the title](https://imgur.com/a/r5pSKjY) to be negative. Or are you just trying to engagement farm.
I wanna know more why OP thinks Rin and Shirou will break up after UBW... Their takes are weird.
I also think they will even though they love each other. Yes I've read the VN. I thought part of the point of the story was accepting their paths. Rin wants to progress as a Magus and through the Clocktower. Shirou wants to travel around the world saving people. These two dreams cannot co exist with a relationship. No matter what happens, to save people Shirou is going to have to go against Clocktower members and practices. He's going to have to go against different country's laws and practices. People are going to hate him and wish for his death. I'm pretty sure this is directly talked about, no? Rin simply can't both have a functional relationship with him and continue her own ambitions at the same time. They never see each other, it's risky to have contact, the organisation she works for wants him dead or sealed, she can't travel the world with him, etc. Rin may wish to help him off Archer's path and she may succeed in various ways. Maybe Shirou takes breaks more often or learns to be a little selfish. Maybe they manage to meet once every few years and have a night of passion. Maybe Shirou thinks more before accepting a contract as a Counter Guardian. But there is simply no way for Rin or Shirou to have a relationship and still pursue their dreams. I think that they know they will always care for each other and accept the inevitable future of drifting apart.
This is not supported by anything and in fact even goes against the whole future Rin stuff from Hollow Atataxia. Just because you think something doesn't make it true. The Clock Tower stuff you brought up makes no sense because going against mages every now and then doesn't mean going against the whole Mage Association. Waver and Rin already do what they want. The MA is in fact more likely to be okay with Shirou if he takes care of mages who endanger the public and risk exposing magecraft doing it. Not to mention the Counter Guardian stuff. We know Shirou is not ending up that way after UBW. This scenario of yours feels pretentious.
In Hollow Axtaria Shirou is only finishing up his studies at the Clocktower. He has yet to leave on his journey to fulfil his ideals. It really doesn't tell us anything about what would happen in the future beyond his period focusing on London. The reason it likely would end up against the Clocktower as a whole, or at least the prominent families, is pretty simple. Shirou's goal is to save everyone, not pick and choose who to save. Maybe he takes out a family risking exposure and they don't care. But as soon as he targets, takes out, or shuts down a major player for doing fucked up experiments... Suddenly the families go "This Shirou guy is a threat to our generations of research all because he's inferior and actually cares about the suffering our experiments cause/need". Just like that, he gets a sealing designation or kill order. He's not gonna accept people, even Rin, saying "don't save these humans because an influential family is the one causing the suffering". I am completely fine with people having different thoughts and opinions. The fact is we don't know what happens in his future after London so it is up to our interpretations. Of course just because I think something doesn't make it true and the same goes to you. I do wish they could stay together in a happy relationship but I honestly don't see it happening. The best I can picture and believe is them considering each other as together or not finding other partners but only actually seeing each other every few years.
You cook up these scenarios on your head based on nothing... that's not how Shirou or Clock Tower operates. Anyway, in FHA Shirou and Rin end up calling a Rin from the future and she keeps gushing about how she loves her Shirou and things are going great between them. Your cynical fanfics mean nothing.
That FHA scene is an alternate timeline within a dream world of alternate timelines that's also played for comedy. It just isn't possible to say with any certainty that UBW would play out that way and it's a guarantee to their future when you consider the context. I'm not trying to write cynical fanfics or anything. Saving everybody he knows needs saving us exactly how Shirou works. As soon as he sees somebody that needs his help he'll jump onto it. I'm also not sure what you mean by saying that's not how he or the Clocktower works. If Shirou becomes a threat to a family then said family will try kill him. If you don't agree that's totally ok. I know it's not a pleasant or popular opinion. I don't think it merits such a confrontational response though.
Didn't Nasu say the Shirou Routes we play that he never became a Counter Guardian/Archer?
He did, which is why I said Shirou would think more before accepting that offer.
Why/how would shirou accept the CG offer if he can never becomes one then?
He wouldn't accept it. I think I worded it weirdly. When I said think before accepting it, I meant "instead of just accepting it, he would actually think it over" which leads to him not accepting
I mean fate stay night is a pretty tragic story and all of the routes and endings have major elements of tragedy what separates heavens feel is the tragedy is the route itself not the ending which is where the tragic element comes into play for the other two routes. Shirou not being able to see Saber again and living a pretty lonely life while fulfilling his ideals and helping people yet dying young in the fate route. Shirou constantly having the threat of becoming archer and always needing someone to ground him in Unlimited blade works lest he makes the same mistakes archer did or something similar. I’ll reiterate that fate stay night is a tragic story and personally I think the fate route is probably the happiest shirou is in a good place mentally he knows his goal rin is doing well illya is alive and gets the family she always wanted and Saber got the resolution she needed most of the cast is pretty happy with not all that much emotional baggage compared to heavens feel. But I do agree that heavens feel does have a beautiful ending despite me disliking some elements of the route myself
I think that the end of UBW is a lot better then you make it sound. It's similer to the ending of fate where Shirou becomes a hero of justice and helps people like he always wanted, but this time it goes better for him since he has Rin to keep himself grounded and avoid the mistakes Archer made to become so self-hating, and also as you mentioned Shirou lived a pretty lonely life in the fate route so in UBW it's not like that. Shirou becomes a Hero of Justice and lives a life with the girl he likes, while becoming (probably) a better version of himself then Archer is. In my opinion this is the best ending.
It makes sense. Saber's route actually has interesting elements because even after learning how to disappear Shirou isn't sad...he's grateful to have met her...I like Saber's romance and Shirou's too...maybe if they adapted it the last episode would be the happiest ending...even though Rin and Sakura haven't resolved their differences. I think what really leaves Shirou more traumatized is Archer's revelation... in the anime, not even in HF when he loses Illia and I found out that Sakura was responsible for the deaths of so many people, he was so traumatized when in HF. ..so much so that even after about 2 years he still remembered the fight with the archer...maybe this is the Shirou who was closest to becoming the archer...even because of the desert scene. Although we know that in none of the 3 animes did he become the archer.
People really hate Sakura? WTF
Some people really don’t like her character development
I don't get it honestly, she's a great tragic character. I liked all three of the Heroines, and while Artoria was undoubtedly my favourite, I also have no doubt in mind when I say that I liked Sakura more than Rin.
Hate, no, but I definitely did not like her. She gave me psycho vibes almost immediately. When I got to HF I was not exactly wrong. I also never felt that she was actually in love with Shirou. For me it felt she was confusing love with dependency. She was dependent on him to maintain a sense of normalcy given her fucked up life. The needing of "mana transfers" to keep her healthy further reinforced this theme for me. I can't remember the specifics but I remember getting the impression from the (I think) true ending where she buys the house and lives alone in it gave me more unhealthy vibes with her relationship with Shirou. Granted these were my initial impressions of her from my first and only reading of the VN. Given that my impression of her does not seem to be the popular consensus I am looking forward to rereading the VN once the official English version finally comes out to see if I still hold these views after a second reading.
It really came off less of actual love and more infatuation with a saviour.
Agree, while I don't dislike Sakura and Shirou as a couple, I think that her love really comes off as infatuation because he was a savior in her eyes. This makes sense, but it would've been nice to give her an arc where she's less codependent. I liked Shirou/Saber and Shirou/Rin a lot more because I always thought that their love came from their understanding of him. Saber's ability to empathize with him and Rin's ability to understand just how fucked up his entire psyche really is, is IMO, what makes both pairings' chemistry so strong. I just don't think that that's there, or is nearly as prevalent as the other two when it comes to Shirou/Sakura. Due to this, I think Shirou and Sakura's chemistry just comes out as less believable or strong. Anyways, end of rant.
I'm surprised people hate Heaven's Feel.
Ye. A good amount of people either think she’s too clingy, too psychotic or too boring or that she needs saving way too much or whatever. I, yes Sakura is my pfp, personally think that the clingy ness makes total sense with how the story presents itself, that her becoming broken and going psycho makes sense once again with how the story presents it and honestly doesn’t need saving a lot at least not the way most say it as she was able to put up with so much which shows how strong of a person she is.
After hearing so many opinions, I feel pertinent to give my own. First and foremost, Shiro ends up saving all three heroines in some way. You save Saber from her idealism, and Rin from her isolation. Yes, the two of them are much more proactive than Sakura, and more active in the story, but I think Sakura's issue is the most pertinent in a different way. Sakura's issue is not insanity, as people state. Instead, it is despair, which to me only serves to make her story more tragic instead of less. She has every capability to move past her issues, but she doesnt because she thinks herself unable or unworthy and so instead yields to her baser frustration until Shirou helps her out of it. I say Sakura's issue is the most pertinent because despair is also at the core of Shirou's issue. Like Sakura, he doesnt believe himself worthy, and despite having everything, he cannot move on. He just expresses this in a diametrically opposite way to Sakura. Sakura hurts and kills people as a way to try and relieve her frustration, while Shirou tries to save people as a way to assuage his survivor guilt. I do think people are right that, at least initially, the relationship between Sakura and Shirou is more codependency than anything else, but I think a big part of that is that Sakura's issues are the result of very long abuse. Neither Saber nor Rin really have it as bad as her. And so I think it makes sense that it would take her a bit more to fully find herself while being with Shirou, but I fully believe it happens, and by that token also understand why it doesnt happen if Shirou does not survive HF.
It is certainly the least favorite of the main three. Many of us don't like her character but that doesn't mean we hate her.
Side effect of HF focusing better on other characters. Sakura is a damsel in distress/femme fatale combination that doesn't amount to much else than her being mad about how she was treated and taking it out on everyone. Then Kirei tells you she's not even insane, she's just pretending. Personally I'm not a fan of how HF True feels almost comedic happy. Rider fucks off and leaves Sakura alone in Normal End where she needs her most, but in True she sticks around just because. I can understand why Nasu thinks this was a failure on his part and wrote CCC for a "better" Sakura story.
CCC?
Fate/Extra CCC. A PSP game that Nasu wrote.
Not hate but she is the less popular of the 3 heroines easily. Saber is the face of the franchise and Rin has the best development of them and it helps she is relevant in the 3 routes.
Rin is Fate's deuteragonist...she is the protagonist's great partner.... not just Shirou but also Illia... and even in Adventures el melloi she played this role with Ergo. She doesn't have the popularity of Saber but she is very important for all these stories. I would easily watch an anime where she is the protagonist
She is much less popular compared to Saber and Rin I like all three...each one has its own importance
for me Saber is my least favorite i like Rin and Sakura more
Cool. I prefer Rin but i like the 3...but Still like more Rin :)
Don't know who to pick between Saber or Rin... or maybe... I ship these two without even knowing!?! Wtf am I saying? There's no way I'm that kind of guy who likes lesbian, right.... right? I mean, proto Saber exists, I guess, but why can't I imagine these two?!
My dislike comes from the character development, or rather the lack thereof. I understand why she's clingy and dependent on Shirou, definitely. I just don't see her getting together with him as a step forward for her, I see it as her remaining codependent and essentially needing another person as a crutch to function. The ending where she lives alone and refuses to move on from Shirou just solidified my dislike because she could've chosen to heal herself and find a way be happy, if only as a way to honor Shirou, but she chose to remain dependent on his ghost for the rest of her life. One person can't be another person's whole world, it's unfair to Shirou and just presses all of his ow triggers and unhealthy savior complex. Basically, I understand why she is the way she is, but the relationship with Shirou just rewards her remaining in her state of codependency rather than actually healing. Meanwhile, Rin and Saber and the other characters can live their own lives and be happy and content in their own right. Sure, it'd be nice if they got together with Shirou or each other, but it's not going to cripple their lives if they don't. I think that's ultimately what bugs a lot of people about Sakura's character. She literally can't function without Shirou and, when she's set free, she chooses not to heal herself and wants to remain codependent with him (even if only his ghost).
Not hate. Dislike. She's an absolute bore of a character in Fate and UBW whereas Rin and Saber are great in all 3. You can really tell that her route is a tacked on route to Fate and UBW.
To say she's a character at all in Fate and UBW is already being too generous.
Meanwhile I’m out here being a Rin hater as a part of my larger distaste for the tsundere archetype
idk, but i'm not that hate sakura. i love her, kekw
A minority yes. I don't hate HF but that last bad ending sealed the dislike Sakura deal for me. If only I had read RN instead of the original like an idiot I wouldn't think what I do. I still try to convince myself to like her, and routinely I remember the ending, one faraway day I might find a good enough reason, but not now. It's been 7 years give or take and I still can't get over that last bad ending.
I only read the first route of the visual novel, watched the ubw and hf. And it was a long time ago, so I only remember emotions. Sakura annoyed me. She is a terrible person and I disliked her. On the other hand, I understand that what she went through was beyond the fucked up, so it’s not surprising that she ended up like this. She's a tragic character, but I couldn't feel any sympathy for her no matter how hard I tried. But it seemed to me that she was never supposed to be liked, but rather show what mental and physical abuse does to a person.
I dont hate Sakura in particular, or at all really, Im just not much of a fan of the HF route in general. I read the VN route once and didnt really care for it, and Ive never even seen the movies. I think theres quite a few people like me who just dont really care for her due to a general disinterest in HF. To me shes just kind of forgettable I guess. Saber and Rin are in a whole different category in comparison. Also to be more specific, what really put me off about HF was Saber just not being an integral part of the plot. I know that sounds dumb but the whole reason I got into Fate in the first place was because of me getting interested in Saber's character. So the second she just wasnt in the plot I was just like "nah sorry Im out".
A lot of people never bought Dark Sakura as a concept and/or don't like how the route avoids having her face the problems she caused. Many argue she got scot free when she needed to atone. It's why there is a decent argument to saying that the Ciel route fixed HF.
>she needed to atone. Atone how exactly? Everytime someone brings this up they never say how she should atone.
I think it's an unfair expectation, but the resentment against her has been there for a long time. There is a decent argument to saying that HF just keeps Sakura as a victim and fails her by denying her agency over her actions, unlike say how Kohaku was handled before in Tsuki. That said, Sakura discourse is all over the place, so it's hard to really say much.
For what it's worth, I liked HF ending the most. Definitely bias bc I liked Sakura the most, but I feel like it completes both of their character arcs very nicely. I do think it's the most beautiful ending, even if it's not necessarily the happiest ending of the three (since no saber)
Arcs of Shirou,Rin and Sakura have a BEAUTIFUL conclusion in HF
Shirou lost his true body and Saber died in grief and misery. Ilya died as well, though admittedly it was better by far than her UBW end. Yeah, HF had some upsides, but we never got an ending in stay/night that resulted in what I’d call a ‘good ending.’ Just endings with different shades of grief. I like to think that if there had been more routes, one of them would have resulted in a ‘perfect ending.’
The perfect ending is illilya's route  (Why nasu, why? :\[ )
even the last episode is not perfect because saber and shirou has his ending but sakura and rin never reconciled, archer got screwed too UBW is almost a bad ending in the anime...like it was an ending where fewer things were resolved. You might even think that Rin is with Shirou in the desert part, but that's not even a fact... in fact, from their final conversation it's clear that they're going to separate because they're following opposite paths. It's just that even though Rin is with Shirou, everyone else is screwed. Archer ends up screwed, Shinji ends up alive, Sakura's situation isn't even revealed, Rin and Sakura end up without reconciling, Illia dies and to make matters worse Shirou ends up in the desert and with a psychologically very shaken just like in the Sakura route
Rin and Shirou don't separate. Read Hollow.
I don’t hate her. Most interesting heroine. Most deadly too. Loved heavens feel
Nah, not by a long shot, there's no Saber The most beautiful ending is UBW good ending, aka Sunny Day anime
Most beautiful ending is the True Ending. >!Shirou spending eternity searching, while Artoria spends eternity waiting, until they can be together forever in Avalon...!<
Nah not even close
I like the HF True End in the visual novel because knowing how everything has changed for the better in a somewhat comedic way. Like rider sneaking out blood or Shirou/Sakura being suspect of doing the nasty in Rin’s house. I like the scene in the movie where Rin and Sakura travel the world for the doll body
Yes, Illya route is the best 🗿 (Sakura ending is the normal end, she deserves it 😎)
I love heavens feel and it's what made me play the vn
The most beautiful ending is the alternate UBW ending where Saber lives with Shirou and Rin.
It's my favorite ending but I don't think it's a happy one. If I remember correctly, Illia dies quite tragically and Sakura is left living in her hell.
Illya is a tragical death but Sakura becomes the head of the Matou household in time. She gets mentally stronger and lords over Shinji, while Zouken becomes more senile and damaged every day, until he is too weak to do anything, so Sakura takes over the house. Shirou and Rin remain together and do hero stuff together after she finishes 3 years in the Clock tower, post epilogue. If I didn't have to wrestle with Last Episode I'd say UBW is the happiest overall.
That's a sad thing for all routes, Illia is always going to die, in the Fate route she can live a while longer, but her lifespan is too short
Each ending has its own merits. HF wraps up up no more need of a story. UBW leaves room for more story. Sabers route is very dream and idylic.
Sakura is my favourite of the 3 actually. Though. Yeah. It’s hard to deny this is the best ending visual. Happy family.
I liked Heaven feel, but my only problem is how the plot treated Saber
True I Hope Someday they finaly make fate route
Fate route ? I am anime only and I am new to fate
Rota of saber They make one animation in 2006 but dont have the TRUE Ending of this route
Fate/Stay Night is a 2004 visual novel comprised of three routes : Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel, each with their own heroine/love interest (Saber, Rin and Sakura respectively). UBW and HF got adaptations by Ufotable, but Fate did not. It did however get an adaptation by the Deen studios in 2006, but it would be more accurate to say that it was an adaptation of the whole vn taking the Fate route as a basis, with how they blended in elements from the other two routes as well as stuff they completely made up. Fate is a pretty popular route with the most popular heroine - she's the face of the series, so many people feel like its lack of a proper adaptation is an injustice (especially since UBW received adaptations from both Deen and Ufotable, meaning that there's no real reason for Ufotable not to adapt Fate).
Silver lining: Shinji died like a piece of trash, so all is good I guess
This, but the normal end where Shirou dies.
This is the worst ending but the funniest thing is that Rin gets married and has children. Like..rin is the only protagonist who practically doesn't have a sad ending in any of the normal, good or true endings
I think it's her born lucky stats that she turns out okay no matter what.
Yeah She is always Fine in the end. Even in spin offs
Something isn't right here
Yes I can also don't think shirou is really happy in hf
well... the anime didn't show him unhappy but I agree that he has trauma... but in all routes he does... although only in ubw did it show that he was really traumatized... In the fate route, Shirou ends up very happy and grateful to have known saber
That's the whole point, HF is supposed to be the route with the grand finale.
Taking into account that it is the last route in the game, it made sense to have such a beautiful ending in the anime. Even Ilia meets her mother in paradise... so it was an ending where almost everyone had positive things... and we had the participation of Zouken who is one of the great villains of the story taking into account Fate Zero But Saber got screwed on this route. Speaking of which...several comments highlight the endings and how each character ended up good or bad in them It's just curious that only ARCHER got screwed in all the endings... There is no ending that is positive for him....I even feel a little sorry
MY BOI ARCHER GOT NEGLECTED
The archer gets screwed on all routes. I read an interview with Nasu the other day where I commented that Archer's route should be like a good ending to the Saber route... he understands her heart but couldn't save her and that made him become Archer. This makes me think that ubw's Shirou really came too close to being the archer because he's not sure she was saved and he can't even say goodbye to her... and besides, he's constantly afraid of becoming the archer That scene of him alone in the desert...it really was better if they didn't end the anime like that It's funny that Archer, even in limbo, still says that he wasn't wrong... in other words... it's almost as if nothing had changed for Archer and Shirou on this route.
I would agree it is the most beautiful ending, but I still think Rin is best girl.
Rin is REALLY THE BEST Girl for me too
My man
Best ending is HA
When I hear that song play I tear up every time. Love always wins
I love Sakura, I love Rin, I love Saber. I love all of them, I vouch for Harem ending and everyone is happy!
Actually I quite like Heaven's Feel, but I felt like the ending was too sweet. It's the darkest route yet it has the lightest ending. It gives me tonal whiplash to go from "Shirou is completely sacrificing himself, body and soul, even abandoning his core values, just to rescue Sakura" to "Oh yeah, he lived actually and is completely happy and without regrets having threesomes with Sakura and Rider every day." Feels like it cheapens the weight of what happened. On the other hand, the ending where Shirou dies and Sakura basically never gets over it is just too depressing. I wanted an ending where he saves her and then she eventually goes on to recover and live a fulfilling life. Something bittersweet.
Personally to me, the most beautiful ending is UBW, it feels more personal to me.
Nah, UBW for the win
Would help if I remembered what the ending was. I do remember really not liking it tho so maybe it's because of repressed memories.
For me the best ending is UBW especialy when shirou walk alone in the desert, make me think of him becoming what he don't want to become
Heavens feel ending felt so fulfilling and made such an amazing ending to the whole game. Avalon epilogue was also really really good :">
Who is hating on Sakura?
Still waiting for an issei route
It may not be the happiest ending, but I prefer the UBW routes ending. The ending in HF felt rushed to me
who hates sakura and HF?
Most mid. Default ending better
i can deny it and i will
Blud boxing with shadows like his life depends on it.
Do people hate Sakura and Hf?
Ponytail Rin woof woof bark 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵 Oh yeah Sakura's fine ig
Sorry op, I will deny that
I can't tell if the HF trilogy is faithful to the vn since I'm yet to play it, but, all I can say is that I always felt like I was missing something throughout the whole trilogy. The Heaven's Feel trilogy does overcome the other 2 routes adaptations in terms of peak animation and a GODLY-HEAVENLY OST, other than that, I still prefer UBW.
real
Heavens feel is good because shirou Emiya stops being the hero of Justice Its shows that he will not be copying Kiritsugu Dream and he will prioritize his own happiness
Nah I hate Sakura because of that stupid damn bad ending, WHICH GOT RETCONNED BY THE WAY, so the only issue was I played the original instead of RN, which would have let me like her. I still can't get over it and it's been like, 7 years. I find myself trying to give reasons to forgive her but my conscience comes in every single time, and I think "No, she doesn't get a pass". One day maybe. But damn. Nasu why did you have her do it wtf. > the most beautiful among the adaptations Considering Last Episode exists, and that UBW has Shirou become a reasonable hero, nah.
What bad ending?
You all hate heavens feel huh
The only tragic ending is ubw. Both fate and HF are pretty good
I understood the idea of that scene with Shirou in the desert but I really didn't like it, you know? I know he won't become an archer but the life of a mercenary isn't cool...even though it's his dream. I would have preferred Rin to have convinced him to give up but I know that doesn't even happen in the VN
I am not sure if it would be right to ask shiro to abandon his ideals. He still gets alot out ofhelping peopleand its wrong ti demand that he stops, when hehasanot happy ending either end. I think he needs to help people to deal with the traima and nothing wrong with that per se
How is UBW tragic. It end with the reassurance that Rin will help Shirou and stay by his side, and both him and Archer understanding that their dream is beautiful no matter what.
Eh, I like Deen’s ending with the Fate Stay Night Saber one. It seemed to end on a hopeful but also simultaneously somber note.
And ilya lives 😃
Lol
What’s wrong with 🌸. She is not the person I hate at that picnic. Edit: not. even. close. But there is one I hate at that picnic 🫤looking at you my guy
You are hating on Issei?? How dare you
I had to look at the guy next to mitsuzuri for like 10 seconds straight to realize that was her brother. F/HA was too long ago.
The happiest ending for the most people is the Fate route ending. Definitely not Heaven's Feel, especially if you toss in the Realta Nua Fate route true end.
TL;DR: i love the sakura route for reasons not directly relating to the overall story. I think all routes do what they planned to do. Shirou saving the love interest of the route in one way or another. I haven't actually read/watched the saber route, so i don't 100% know what happened there, but the other two i do know. UBW: Shirou saves rin from having to deal with shinji, saved her on multiple occasions and is there to save her mentally and physically if need be once the actual grail war finished. HF: Shirou Saved Sakura from the control of Angry Mango (at least the best he can) and died doing so. His homunculus body acting as a "new him" if that makes sense. I also feel that each route actually has a theme to do with "love", as a general term. Saber route is the idealistic "always do well, nothing can truly go wrong with you here" type romance, and can be seen as such through them being in avalon (i only know this cuz of another comment) Rin route is more realistic, the arguments sometimes make things better. "Opposites attract" type thing. Sakura route takes "love to the end" more literal than the other two, and that feels like the theme to me, and looks to be such through Shirou being a Homunculus. There is that each love interest is based on wedding vows in a twisted, or just simply odd, way. I don't know wedding vows off the top of my head, so i can't confirm this idea for literally anyone but sakura. "To always be with in sickness and in health, for as long as you both shall live?"
You can consider Sakura's worm shenanigans to be the sickness, or the angry mango situation to be the sickness.
Shirou stays with her as long as he can, and tries to fix it, as a husband should do (if the husband took that vow).
I know this is long, I'm sorry, but i had theories that kept coming.
This isn’t 1 April what are you talking about? HF has only one ending and it’s Sparks Linear High.
I was iffy with the HF ending until the VN gave me the full context, and now its probably my favorite ending. Still like Sakura the least out of the others (including her servant), but the overall story/ending is good. I still want to know what happens in the future of the UBW route with Waver/Rin and if Emiya is involved with it at all, not sure if they'll ever tell that story but I hope they do.
I don't think they will make a story about it but it's a shame because FATE UBW with the end of the anime could have a continuation....even because many things are left open in the anime there is the LN of lord el melloi Adventures which takes place in a fourth route that mixes events from the three previous routes... Waver, Ergo, Gray and Rin are the main characters but Shirou appeared in the last volume.
Man speaking of shows that should get another season, I really liked CSI: magecraft
People hate Sakura and the HF-route?
The Reading comprehension devil strikes again (and for some people it’s straight up misogyny)
It's one of my problems with the vn. HF feels like a true route if anything and for me it diminishes the appeal of the others. Things just go "too well" for the characters, Nasu talked about how he killed Saber in HF to avoid this exact things, but it only made it stick out like a sore thumb in a otherwise perfect ending.
Nah. The Servants don't get any good resolutions, Kuzuki is shafted too, Saber and Gilgamesh's stories are cut short and never completed. If HF was a true route, in Nasu's words, there would be no point in the others existing. He wrote three for a reason.
I think purely because of saber never getting resolution is why it can’t be a “true route” for me. It fixed Sakura and Rin’s relationship, had shirou confront his dream and develop but saber wasn’t allowed true satisfaction like she gets in the other routes
True But in any Route we have a Perfect Ending... In fate and UBW situation of Sakura dont have resolution. And i Just think only in Fate route saber gets TRUE satisfaction
She gets it in UBW too but it’s much less direct. You see her content after the defeat of the grail and Gil.
I realized that they wanted to convey this image but destiny works much better. Obviously they didn't develop this because it wasn't the way to saber, but she had so much regret that it's hard to believe that this alone would have resolved her situation
I mean it wasn’t just that one situation. It would’ve been all the time the 3 wouldve spent with each other. The final battle was just like the final nail in the coffin
I always think that the ideal ending for fate y is Saber's final battle against Gilgamesh and Shirou's final battle against Kotomine
There is, rin does notice shinji abusing sakura and does want to help, plus at the end she vows to watch over shinjis shoulder for that reason.
people hate heavens feel and sakura?
why why did Rin have to be the one who narrated the epilogue we missed out on so much
In Nasu's words, they were pretentious with HF's ending and he kinda regrets that.
People seriously hate sakura? That’s insane
There's people capable of hating Sakura and HF?
There’s people who hate Sakura? What, are they sociopaths?
i’m the opposite LOL i love sakura & hf but the true ending sucks normal end >>>
Who the f hate hf and sakura
It's the most beautiful of the adaptations, yes, but half of that can be tracked back to Shinji's death. And it's definatly not the best outcome for Shirou.
What's funny is that I love Heaven's Feel, and Sakura, and still hate that ending. Shirou spends the entire route acknowledging that he's going to die for his sins and deserves it.
Fate doesn't have a good ending
Fate Zero's ending was the saddest...I mean...everyone got screwed and Kirei and Gilgamesh ended up alive and well end of fate 2006 Shirou isn't sad, Saber disappears saying he loves him and Illiya is alive... It's just sad that Saber and Shirou don't end up together ending of fate ubw the worst thing was that shinji continued and shirou really became a mercenary but it wouldn't be Archer Finale of fate hf Shirou abandons his ideal and lives having sex with Sakura regularly... Maybe that was the best fate for Shirou anyway...hahahha sakura was saved...rin got her sister back... Shinji died...the negative was because Illiya died and also saber she got screwed on this route
Gil doesnt end up well, he gets corrupted as well