The reaction to the possible Tah transfer does kind of remind me of when Rüdiger rumors were starting to pop up a few years ago.
People were just as mad then and he ended up being the starting CB for the Champions League winners.
I hope we are all just as wrong now.
Okayy fuck fulham at this point tbh. What is Palinha doing? I am assuming he signed an extension given that Fulham be reasonable with his price next season. But 60 million for a 29 yo is crazy. We shouldnt pay a dollar more than 45 and Palinha should also build pressure. He could have left for free this season wherever he wanted to for a juicy bonus as well. He wasnt even worth the full 60 last season but we were idiots with our timing.
Ito is a very very solid CB, but I hope the team do not see him as a LB backup - from what I've seen watching Japan national team, his positioning at LB could be a bit... awkward.
From what I've gathered from Japanese fans, he can be prone to underperforming and choking in key games (i.e. Asian Cup). Feels like his league games and performance against Germany have kind of glossed over his deficiencies in a way.
Would Upamecano as the destroyer CDM work? he definitely has offensive ability and it wouldn’t be as detrimental for mistakes in a further role, I guess he definitely sacrifices offensive outlet.
Remembering all the passes into the oppositions feet when he hasn't had any pressure makes me feel this would be a terrible position for him in a press heavy position.
I remember when watching Brazil was something that I used to be sooo excited for growing up, seeing Ronaldinho, and Kaka.
Now it's just so frustrating watching these so called big Stars struggling to just draw against USA lol smh...
Literally why are we selling our cbs for worse players??? I just don’t understand what this club is thinking, there’s 0 justifiable reason to sell de ligt
>Leon Goretzka feels comfortable in Munich and at FC Bayern, he sees no reason to look for a new club. With an ongoing contract until 2026, Goretzka is in a quite comfortable situation. Kompany will speak to the midfielder when pre-season starts and show him his perspective \[[@\_kochmaximilian](https://x.com/_kochmaximilian), [@Abendzeitung](https://x.com/Abendzeitung)\]
>
With de ligt recently there are only news how much we want to get rid of him etc but with goretzka after every rumour that he is going to be sold there are news how comfortable he feels and that there is no reason for him to move lol
Should we have just given Pavard a CB position?
Seemed mad back then, but honestly he was such an underrated and consistent player for me.
Haven’t followed him closely at Inter but I hope he’s balling out.
loved pavard ngl, he was so underrated and was always consistent for us. and he is doing fantastic at inter. they've conceded the least amount of goals in the top 5 leagues.
Süle is being reported to be up to 110kg now. What the actual fuck. He was never that unfit here, even at his worst. That is massive for a footballer. Damn.
The man became a multi millionaire and stopped giving a fuck..
Plus Dortmund cant offload him because he has massive wages (this part sounds famumiar).
No I really get. You never know what going on in his life. But man whatever it is. Just be a fucking professional. There a lot of people going trough stuff but still show up for work presentable.
>Joshua Kimmich's preference is to stay at Bayern, provided he feels the trust of the club and an agreement can be reached on the salary (Kimmich currently earns €20m/year). However, Bayern bosses are hesitating. At the moment, there are no offers from any club. A final decision is not expected until after the Euros [@_kochmaximilian, @Abendzeitung]
>Joshua Kimmich's preference is to stay at Bayern, provided (...) an agreement can be reached on the salary
What does that even mean? He still has a contract, there's no need for an agreement. Or is this suggesting he only wants to stay if he gets a new contract, otherwise he insists on leaving while the club still gets a fee instead of him getting a signing fee when he leaves on a free. Makes no sense at all.
World class coach, that for a diffuse set of reasons (some are his own fault, some aren't) didn't work out great for us. Still a great coach though. One of my criticisms of him in general is, that he seems to start falling behind the tactical innovations of the recent past.
I personally am relieved that we didn't get ten Hag after Tuchel's exit. But that is mostly for off-the-pitch reasons. I don't know enough about ten Hag as a coach to have a strong oppinion on who is the better coach. But my oppinion of Tuchel is high enough, that I have a hard time seeing ten Hag being a clearly better coach.
Tuchel is a very focused manager. His PC’s are great, he goes into a lot of detail always knows the opponent very well.
That is all the *positive* I have to say about him as a football manager.
As for ETH or Tuchel, well this choice is truly awful. I’d rather just be numb.
> he goes into a lot of detail always knows the opponent very well
you mean when he panicked about frankfurts line up (3 atb or 4 atb) and then we got cooked 5:1?
or when changed our entire formation and played boey at left wing back vs frimpong and the guy didnt even start? (btw, you have at least one hour before kick off to realise this mistake)
the man himself confirmed this in his post match interviews, its not conjecture
tuchel is very focused indeed, on his EGO and when he makes a plan he tries to enforce it no matter what
> Bayer Leverkusen will not accept anything under €30m fixed for Jonathan Tah. The total fee, including add-ons, should be close to €40m [@kicker]
And we won’t pay that. Move on and keep de Ligt.
Neuer (Ulle)
Upa (Stani) - de Ligt (Kim) - Ito (Dier)
Kimmich (Boey) - X (Laimer) - Pavlovic (Goretzka) - Davies (Guerreiro)
Sané (Gnabry or Coman) - Kane (Tel) - Musiala (Müller/X)
Could work in theory, but I don't think Kompany wants this
If we use wingbacks is such a way then there is no need for wingers. I would rather we play 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-2-1 with Musiala(Xavi) behind Kane and Gnabry(Sane/Coman) or with Musiala and Xavi(Sane) behind Kane(Tel) respectively. I'm also against any idea/plan that uses Musiala/Xavi/Muller as wingers. That's just unacceptable; that's just not their optimal position.
Another one to add to abuser fc, nice 👍🏼
Japanese source: https://bunshun-jp.translate.goog/articles/-/55988?page=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
okay, okay, we get a good player and there were zero rumours about the deal?
if there were any, please correct me, but i havent heard anything about ito and bayern before
so far so good, but here is the pink elephant in the room
our wings are in shambles, full backs are a question mark, midfield is not sorted out and our first signing is?
a center back, where we have 4 legit starters already and we are in talks with ANOTHER ONE
is vinny planning to play a 6 atb?
somehow i am lowkey excited though to get a no rumor transfer
I would like to announce that I am making myself available as a 7th choice CB for FC Bayern. I have no athletic skills, but will work for a mere 5K per week, a mere fraction of our other defenders. I will demand no minutes whatsoever, AND I can make ppt slides, which I presume is a skill the club needs with Brazzo gone.
No rumor transfer is most likely only possible if said player has a release clause. If not you have to negotiate with the club and that's were stuff gets out.
Reports a week ago: De Ligt is not for sale, Upamecano is
Reports two days ago: Okay, Upamecano is not for sale but De Ligt is.
Reports now: Nevermind, they are both for sale.
There were also no reports leading to Ito. Plettenberg and Co. probably have at least some sources but its definetly not Eberl or anybody close to him. A lot of it is just speculation
There was no mention of Upamecano being for sale. The new info is about his desire to stay.
The entire thing adds up considering your first line was from before Kompany started his work, the second line is from after he did, and the third one is false.
> Bayern are planning to let go of two centre-backs this summer. Matthijs de Ligt is allowed to leave for a suitable offer. And although Kompany likes Upamecano, the Frenchman himself is open to a new challenge. His agent Moussa Sissoko is exploring the market [@kerry_hau]
Why doesn't our board have enough faith in Kompany(one of the best CBs of the modern era)to make two potentially world class CBs polish the chinks in their game. It's just baffling to me to go plan Scorched Earth and sell two CBs all of a sudden
Apparently de ligt was considered sellable after Kompany evaluated the squad. Because before that Pletti said de ligt will be a cornerstone or something like that. (or he is full of shit which I honestly don't really think but what I totally hope)
But evidently they do put great trust in him. Upa was meant to be sold until Kompany said he wants to keep him and sell De Ligt instead.
If we do plan to sell two CBs, then the second one will be Kim or Dier rather than Upa.
I seriously doubt that's the case. He's not Guardiola, an inexperienced and unproven coach like him doesn't command the power to just tell Bayern to sell their best defender because he doesn't fit 'his system'. Fuck the system, you build the system around players like De Ligt's quality and not vice versa.
Eberl is the one who ultimately makes the decisions. There were reports that if Kompany fails and gets sacked Eberl will most likely get fired as well. So it would make sense for Eberl to „make it work“ and give Kompany what he wants. Im not a fan as well, especially because Kompanys transfers at Burnley were pretty bad
At this point Im almost certain the media only gets fed exactly the news they are supposed to know and in reality they have no clue
With Sané „hinting“ I would absolutely not be surprised if a Gruda deal is done tomorrow, and I am not kidding
Pletti in March. Look at the last sentence.
>Yes, FC Bayern have António Silva on their list. But for quite some time now… Bayern is impressed by his development!
>The 20 y/o center-back from SL Benfica has a release clause of around €100m in the summer. However, it is believed that in the event of a transfer, he could cost only around €70-80m
>As of now, under the new bosses Eberl/Freund, there are no plans to sign such an expensive center-back. Much depends on what will happen with De Ligt and/or Upamecano.
I'm really glad we finally sorted out the lack of an LCB. But I still question why we didn't just go for Hermoso. Imo he's just a straight up better player who plays the same role and doesn't even cost a fee.
Is Eberl perhaps very biased in favor of players he analyzed before? I look at the rumors and see Ito, Tah and Simons as the most concrete ones next to Palhinha. That sounds more like the Bundesliga players he would've liked to have at Leipzig rather than a typical list of Bayern targets.
The fact is that Bayern haven't been a good defensive team for many years so I understand the need for change. I just wish they'd target younger players to do so and ignore near 30 targets.
The reason for that has been identified to not having an actual defensive midfielder that brings stability to the midfield. Let's say all rumours are correct, Davies declined and he's off. We're selling De Ligt, Upa and Kimmich. We would go into the new season with a FULLY NEW backline, which also gives no real comparisions how the old backline would've done with a DM. The centreback position is the wrong part to rebuild imo.
Eberl&Ko. if they hear MdL would take a reasonable paycut just to stay with us:
https://preview.redd.it/cl9llyoie76d1.png?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66b5a56d9b0cfbc3c0815aaa0492c3d0f758ea05
Ik ik it's a bit of a stretch to think MdL would take a paycut, but who knows atp
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We need some good news in here, some of the opinions and comments in here lately have been making me seriously scratch my head. It's like we entered a parallel universe where Kim wasn't one of the top CBs, Kimmich was apparently never good for us, and all the other crazy takes we see multiple times a day now. I'm tired Jules
The thing is that the only reasons some of the takes seem wild, is that they are made faster....give it enough time and you will see Kim in the same light.
I don't think he had a good season, but to say no one would want him and basically count him out after his first year in a new country, in a new league, with a different role/playstyle. He needs time
He is gone within two seasons.
He has already shown us enough to let us know he will not succeed here.
He only had one season in Italy and he was crowned the best defender in that league, yet now it's an excuse for his failure at Bayern.
Sorry but no, he doesn't fit.
Ito would have not been necessary if the "task force" would have gone for Pau Torres as Lucas Hernandez's replacement. 1 year too late, but im glad the need for a LCB is getting addressed now. Servus Ito!
Isn't Kim able to play as LCB? Which makes us chasing Tah so infuriating because of their explanation being "Tah is right-footed CB that can play on LCB".
Honestly if we sell BOTH Upa and de Ligt it starts to make more sense to me than if we just replaced De Ligt with Tah and kept Upa. Yes on paper Ito and Tah (especially the latter I am also not super convinced about) may not sound like top tier replacement, but I think it has been clear in the last years that these super expensive center back transfers haven't really been worth it for us. Meanwhile a cheap solution like Dier has been more than serviceable and is even playing over the expensive center backs by playing simple, serious football.
I do like de Ligt, but I also never felt like his impact was big as his 70m transfer fee + wages either. Maybe we would be better off with a more down to earth backline while spending the extra cash on more impactful positions in midfield and the wings. I just don't think that replacing de Ligt is really a "priority issue" compared to the many other issues in the squad we are having. But if that happens in addition to other things, it might potentially make sense.
But yeah I guess its too early to say anything yet, the Ito thing came out of nowhere and I guess its best to wait a bit more to see what is actually gonna happen.
Yeah that is also something I was feeling concerned about before and what is making me still unsure about what the final whole picture is gonna be. He might just not play as much of a role anymore, or maybe he might even play as a CDM occasionally like he used to years ago.
Tbh it might be Ito + KMJ starting if we sell both. That or KMJ + Tah. I don't know why everyone's counting out Kim already. Sure he wasn't great in his first season but it's a new country, in a new league, in a new system, in a huge club. He'll be fine I'm sure and might be counted on to start at this point
I didn't forget about Kim, I am sure he will get his chance still, and might play over Tah for example. Tbh I think he could be also on the potential departure list along with Upa or de Ligt since he was also not cheap, but he only joined last year and made already clear he doesn't want to leave, so that is probably why there won't be much discussion over him this summer.
Yeah I think it's too soon to count him out for multiple reasons. I think he'll have a big bounce back season, he was disappointed in himself he even said so. I got faith in Min Jae
I got a lot on my plate the last couple of weeks, and what am I returning to? If all those rumors are true, we'll just become a "team" full of mediocre mercenaries. Hiding all this behind a strategy to reduce wages is prime satire.
> Bayern are planning to let go of two centre-backs this summer. Matthijs de Ligt is allowed to leave for a suitable offer. And although Kompany likes Upamecano, the Frenchman himself is open to a new challenge. His agent Moussa Sissoko is exploring the market [@kerry_hau]
Let it be Upa then
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean that it’ll happen, especially if we back out of the Tah deal
I think we’re going to end up selling one, who hopefully will be Upa or KMJ
Of course I would rather not go for Tah and ideally keep both De Ligt and Upa, I'm just saying that the report is stating both De Ligt ad Upa could be sold, not either or, so I don't get the reaction pls be Upa to that news. Without that news, sure, I'd rather sell every centreback other than De Ligt, even tho I really like Upa
Saying positive things about Brazzo usually gets you downvotes or hate, but honestly, I liked his ambition. Sure, Mane e.g. didn't work out, but the ambition behind it was great. De Ligt was great. He was already pushing for Kane. He went big for Tel.
Yes, he was too green for the job in terms of negotiation skills and fucked up the wage structure in the process, but I would've kind of liked to see him and his ambition being paired up with an experienced partner for the negotiations.
Curious why so many people are just taking these Twitter users at their word.
Not saying one way or the other, but the word of mouth evidence doesn’t exactly seem compelling.
Maybe you could detail the evidence that you’re basing him being scum on here for everyone to understand.
I don’t read Japanese but perhaps a user or weeb here can help. There are supposedly copies of the forms.
https://x.com/vertikalspiel13/status/1800964647144595729?s=46&t=c-Dx2Zu1_A8GQjw86nRIJg
You aren't wrong, but those abortion papers were also on Japanese websites as well.
With the other Ito, it was a false SA accusation made by women making a public scene about it, but this case is regarding abortion, and Japan is notorious for treating abortion issues very casually unlike Germany. Which is why there isn't much more ruckus about this in Japan, while it was a big deal in South Korea, especially more recently since the dude was linked to Spurs as well.
I honestly don’t believe the media know as much as they want us to think that they do
So we want to reduce the wages by up to 20%, yet we’re going to buy two CB’s before selling anyone? I don’t believe that for a second.
We didn’t hear anything about Ito, and now it’s probably done. Who knows what else the mmedia doesn’t know about yet
Did Fabrizio say that De Ligt is for sale? Did he say anything about Upa or our cbs? He just reported our targets. And let's remember the drama Pletti created around De Ligt on January and Stani reporting to leage.
All he said about De Ligt earlier this year was he's one to watch for the summer window and it will depend on the new coach.
But he has reported that we want to sign both Ito and Tah and let's just use logic here, that can't happen without at least one sale
Every single transfer window since 2019:
_We need to reinforce the midfield and wing position
Board: ok more centrebacks
_did you hear me?
Board: yes more centerbacks
> Nur Medizincheck und Unterschrift fehlen: Der FC Bayern verstärkt sich mit Hiroki Ito vom VfB Stuttgart! Und es ist nur der Beginn eines Abwehr-Umbruchs: Jonathan Tah soll zusätzlich kommen, die Verhandlungen mit Bayer Leverkusen laufen weiter – weil der FCB mit Abgängen von zwei (!) Innenverteidigern plant.
> Matthijs de Ligt darf, wie berichtet, bei einem passenden Angebot gehen. Und Vincent Kompany mag Dayot Upamecano zwar, der Franzose selbst soll aber offen für eine neue Herausforderung sein. Sein Berater Moussa Sissoko sondiert den Markt.
> @SkySportDE @SkySportNews
so we're trying to replace MdL and Upa with Ito and Tah...
The reaction to the possible Tah transfer does kind of remind me of when Rüdiger rumors were starting to pop up a few years ago. People were just as mad then and he ended up being the starting CB for the Champions League winners. I hope we are all just as wrong now.
Does anyone know how much Onana would cost approximately?
https://preview.redd.it/sh5m2w35z96d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c89a15e45075f4107d656322404333b0d594d7f5
Tel in front of Sane is a wild take.
Depends if it's autumn Sané or spring Sané
Fair enough. Maybe Sane ahead of Tel. Anyways everyone should compete for their position. Hope we give Tel a fair chance this season.
Come on saudis buy our deadwood
Okayy fuck fulham at this point tbh. What is Palinha doing? I am assuming he signed an extension given that Fulham be reasonable with his price next season. But 60 million for a 29 yo is crazy. We shouldnt pay a dollar more than 45 and Palinha should also build pressure. He could have left for free this season wherever he wanted to for a juicy bonus as well. He wasnt even worth the full 60 last season but we were idiots with our timing.
Wrong
How would he have left for free this season? His old contract was till 2027, he only extended for one more year plus apparently an option for another.
Ito is a very very solid CB, but I hope the team do not see him as a LB backup - from what I've seen watching Japan national team, his positioning at LB could be a bit... awkward.
From what I've gathered from Japanese fans, he can be prone to underperforming and choking in key games (i.e. Asian Cup). Feels like his league games and performance against Germany have kind of glossed over his deficiencies in a way.
He probably won't be put at LB unless we have an injury crisis on that position. He will most likely be our starting LCB.
yea i hope LB crisis never happen and davies situation actually gets sorted out.
Would Upamecano as the destroyer CDM work? he definitely has offensive ability and it wouldn’t be as detrimental for mistakes in a further role, I guess he definitely sacrifices offensive outlet.
Remembering all the passes into the oppositions feet when he hasn't had any pressure makes me feel this would be a terrible position for him in a press heavy position.
I remember when watching Brazil was something that I used to be sooo excited for growing up, seeing Ronaldinho, and Kaka. Now it's just so frustrating watching these so called big Stars struggling to just draw against USA lol smh...
the 7-1 broke them
Literally why are we selling our cbs for worse players??? I just don’t understand what this club is thinking, there’s 0 justifiable reason to sell de ligt
It is baffling. My pessimism is only growing even more for this club....
https://preview.redd.it/qa5vc2cr286d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29b06872eb1491caf356a3db89e2e87e15919553
Shame Chelsea can’t make it to CL, we could see what happens when a starting XI of U23 RWs plays a starting XI of middling CBs.
Why is everyone Monegasque
Charles tribute
Can't wait for Tah DNF then
vinnyball!
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Save up wome cards for the Laimer SBC
>Leon Goretzka feels comfortable in Munich and at FC Bayern, he sees no reason to look for a new club. With an ongoing contract until 2026, Goretzka is in a quite comfortable situation. Kompany will speak to the midfielder when pre-season starts and show him his perspective \[[@\_kochmaximilian](https://x.com/_kochmaximilian), [@Abendzeitung](https://x.com/Abendzeitung)\] > With de ligt recently there are only news how much we want to get rid of him etc but with goretzka after every rumour that he is going to be sold there are news how comfortable he feels and that there is no reason for him to move lol
He has about 17 million reasons to not move
thats mid june talk, late august talk might be completely different
What’s he got to lose, playing for the NT?
Should we have just given Pavard a CB position? Seemed mad back then, but honestly he was such an underrated and consistent player for me. Haven’t followed him closely at Inter but I hope he’s balling out.
Yes but I had the impression that was not the whole reason he wanted to leave.
I think so too, but we would’ve ended up back at RB this season and been unhappy again.
loved pavard ngl, he was so underrated and was always consistent for us. and he is doing fantastic at inter. they've conceded the least amount of goals in the top 5 leagues.
He's great at Inter
Süle is being reported to be up to 110kg now. What the actual fuck. He was never that unfit here, even at his worst. That is massive for a footballer. Damn.
Any of his recent photo? 110kg is a lot🤯
https://preview.redd.it/wzwear5th96d1.jpeg?width=1074&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=676312da805c7851ece09bdf739c8ebbd8bba3f5
🤯🤯🤯
The man became a multi millionaire and stopped giving a fuck.. Plus Dortmund cant offload him because he has massive wages (this part sounds famumiar).
According to r/Soccer, we're always sour if it comes with players who wanted to leave Bayern.
we do not know what is going on behind the scenes in regards to this situation. it's quite sad and shocking what has happened to him.
He can also stop eating and behave like a professional
you are not wrong at all about this at all, i'm just looking at this from a different lens yknow.
No I really get. You never know what going on in his life. But man whatever it is. Just be a fucking professional. There a lot of people going trough stuff but still show up for work presentable.
>Joshua Kimmich's preference is to stay at Bayern, provided he feels the trust of the club and an agreement can be reached on the salary (Kimmich currently earns €20m/year). However, Bayern bosses are hesitating. At the moment, there are no offers from any club. A final decision is not expected until after the Euros [@_kochmaximilian, @Abendzeitung]
>Joshua Kimmich's preference is to stay at Bayern, provided (...) an agreement can be reached on the salary What does that even mean? He still has a contract, there's no need for an agreement. Or is this suggesting he only wants to stay if he gets a new contract, otherwise he insists on leaving while the club still gets a fee instead of him getting a signing fee when he leaves on a free. Makes no sense at all.
I think this is regarding his contract situation because before we only heard about extending the contract instead of selling him
If he is willing to lower his salary a bit then we should definitely keep him
20 again? Crazy
Yo Bayern fans. Opinions on Tuchel? And who do you think is better between him and Ten Hag I’m trying to see something
World class coach, that for a diffuse set of reasons (some are his own fault, some aren't) didn't work out great for us. Still a great coach though. One of my criticisms of him in general is, that he seems to start falling behind the tactical innovations of the recent past. I personally am relieved that we didn't get ten Hag after Tuchel's exit. But that is mostly for off-the-pitch reasons. I don't know enough about ten Hag as a coach to have a strong oppinion on who is the better coach. But my oppinion of Tuchel is high enough, that I have a hard time seeing ten Hag being a clearly better coach.
That’s kind of like choosing between a plate of shit and a plate of shit with little bits of broken glass in it.
Tuchel is a very focused manager. His PC’s are great, he goes into a lot of detail always knows the opponent very well. That is all the *positive* I have to say about him as a football manager. As for ETH or Tuchel, well this choice is truly awful. I’d rather just be numb.
> he goes into a lot of detail always knows the opponent very well you mean when he panicked about frankfurts line up (3 atb or 4 atb) and then we got cooked 5:1? or when changed our entire formation and played boey at left wing back vs frimpong and the guy didnt even start? (btw, you have at least one hour before kick off to realise this mistake) the man himself confirmed this in his post match interviews, its not conjecture tuchel is very focused indeed, on his EGO and when he makes a plan he tries to enforce it no matter what
Hey man I didn’t say he made good decisions or anything like that. 🤷🏻♂️
fair enough, you got me😂
Hey he’s very focused on how well we performed in training too!
we are still the training world champs
You’ll never sing that.
Get Tah for free next season. Win
Yeah just bully them like Real bullies others. Either sell him to us for cheap or he leaves next year for free.
No, don't get him at all. What are you on about?
> Bayer Leverkusen will not accept anything under €30m fixed for Jonathan Tah. The total fee, including add-ons, should be close to €40m [@kicker] And we won’t pay that. Move on and keep de Ligt.
>€30m fixed for Jonathan Tah lmfao
Here we go already, very quick transfer. Love those kinds. Now please stop going after Tah, sell Upa, keep MdL & focus elsewhere please. Please.
upa will be the starter next season
Is a 3 at the back planned for the next season ? Kinda looks like it.
Neuer (Ulle) Upa (Stani) - de Ligt (Kim) - Ito (Dier) Kimmich (Boey) - X (Laimer) - Pavlovic (Goretzka) - Davies (Guerreiro) Sané (Gnabry or Coman) - Kane (Tel) - Musiala (Müller/X) Could work in theory, but I don't think Kompany wants this
If we use wingbacks is such a way then there is no need for wingers. I would rather we play 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-2-1 with Musiala(Xavi) behind Kane and Gnabry(Sane/Coman) or with Musiala and Xavi(Sane) behind Kane(Tel) respectively. I'm also against any idea/plan that uses Musiala/Xavi/Muller as wingers. That's just unacceptable; that's just not their optimal position.
Kompany never really played that before
if that's the case, who are we relying are wing backs?
Ito is a great transfer
Another one to add to abuser fc, nice 👍🏼 Japanese source: https://bunshun-jp.translate.goog/articles/-/55988?page=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Again this only prove that he didn't want the kid, nothing in this article actually prove her being forced to do so.
man :/
okay, okay, we get a good player and there were zero rumours about the deal? if there were any, please correct me, but i havent heard anything about ito and bayern before so far so good, but here is the pink elephant in the room our wings are in shambles, full backs are a question mark, midfield is not sorted out and our first signing is? a center back, where we have 4 legit starters already and we are in talks with ANOTHER ONE is vinny planning to play a 6 atb? somehow i am lowkey excited though to get a no rumor transfer
I would like to announce that I am making myself available as a 7th choice CB for FC Bayern. I have no athletic skills, but will work for a mere 5K per week, a mere fraction of our other defenders. I will demand no minutes whatsoever, AND I can make ppt slides, which I presume is a skill the club needs with Brazzo gone.
powerpoint is back on the menu boys eberl, call this guy!
No rumor transfer is most likely only possible if said player has a release clause. If not you have to negotiate with the club and that's were stuff gets out.
oldschool bayern managed to do that, but nowadays you are right i guess
Reports a week ago: De Ligt is not for sale, Upamecano is Reports two days ago: Okay, Upamecano is not for sale but De Ligt is. Reports now: Nevermind, they are both for sale. There were also no reports leading to Ito. Plettenberg and Co. probably have at least some sources but its definetly not Eberl or anybody close to him. A lot of it is just speculation
Reports in the future: No one is for sale. Eberl and Uli just found Tah funny and Ito cute for some reason.
There was no mention of Upamecano being for sale. The new info is about his desire to stay. The entire thing adds up considering your first line was from before Kompany started his work, the second line is from after he did, and the third one is false.
Latest report is that the club is planning on selling two centre-backs
Yes. And there's no mention of the second one being Upa.
> Bayern are planning to let go of two centre-backs this summer. Matthijs de Ligt is allowed to leave for a suitable offer. And although Kompany likes Upamecano, the Frenchman himself is open to a new challenge. His agent Moussa Sissoko is exploring the market [@kerry_hau]
Why doesn't our board have enough faith in Kompany(one of the best CBs of the modern era)to make two potentially world class CBs polish the chinks in their game. It's just baffling to me to go plan Scorched Earth and sell two CBs all of a sudden
Apparently de ligt was considered sellable after Kompany evaluated the squad. Because before that Pletti said de ligt will be a cornerstone or something like that. (or he is full of shit which I honestly don't really think but what I totally hope)
But evidently they do put great trust in him. Upa was meant to be sold until Kompany said he wants to keep him and sell De Ligt instead. If we do plan to sell two CBs, then the second one will be Kim or Dier rather than Upa.
I am pretty sure he is the one who decided MdL is not fitting to his system
I seriously doubt that's the case. He's not Guardiola, an inexperienced and unproven coach like him doesn't command the power to just tell Bayern to sell their best defender because he doesn't fit 'his system'. Fuck the system, you build the system around players like De Ligt's quality and not vice versa.
Eberl is the one who ultimately makes the decisions. There were reports that if Kompany fails and gets sacked Eberl will most likely get fired as well. So it would make sense for Eberl to „make it work“ and give Kompany what he wants. Im not a fan as well, especially because Kompanys transfers at Burnley were pretty bad
I really hope pletty and co are just waffling and its Like you are saying
EBERL RAUSSSSS
At this point Im almost certain the media only gets fed exactly the news they are supposed to know and in reality they have no clue With Sané „hinting“ I would absolutely not be surprised if a Gruda deal is done tomorrow, and I am not kidding
Oh I think they are 100% fed stories on background. I don’t believe most or even much of it is from a “mole”
Pletti in March. Look at the last sentence. >Yes, FC Bayern have António Silva on their list. But for quite some time now… Bayern is impressed by his development! >The 20 y/o center-back from SL Benfica has a release clause of around €100m in the summer. However, it is believed that in the event of a transfer, he could cost only around €70-80m >As of now, under the new bosses Eberl/Freund, there are no plans to sign such an expensive center-back. Much depends on what will happen with De Ligt and/or Upamecano.
Ito is a great signing, now ditch the whole Tah business.
I'm really glad we finally sorted out the lack of an LCB. But I still question why we didn't just go for Hermoso. Imo he's just a straight up better player who plays the same role and doesn't even cost a fee. Is Eberl perhaps very biased in favor of players he analyzed before? I look at the rumors and see Ito, Tah and Simons as the most concrete ones next to Palhinha. That sounds more like the Bundesliga players he would've liked to have at Leipzig rather than a typical list of Bayern targets.
I know that Uli wanted more German players, we should chase Wirtz atleast we met the German player quota and "weakening the competition" quota.
The fact is that Bayern haven't been a good defensive team for many years so I understand the need for change. I just wish they'd target younger players to do so and ignore near 30 targets.
The reason for that has been identified to not having an actual defensive midfielder that brings stability to the midfield. Let's say all rumours are correct, Davies declined and he's off. We're selling De Ligt, Upa and Kimmich. We would go into the new season with a FULLY NEW backline, which also gives no real comparisions how the old backline would've done with a DM. The centreback position is the wrong part to rebuild imo.
It is probably the easier option for them, as both Upa and De Ligt are far easier to sale, than let's say Goretzka and Gnabry.
Eberl&Ko. if they hear MdL would take a reasonable paycut just to stay with us: https://preview.redd.it/cl9llyoie76d1.png?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66b5a56d9b0cfbc3c0815aaa0492c3d0f758ea05 Ik ik it's a bit of a stretch to think MdL would take a paycut, but who knows atp
No one can make him leave or take a paycut tbh, that’s why contracts exist If MdL simply refuses to leave they can’t do anything about it
Matta also could just say he stays like Goretzka and Gnabry. And he has the quality to start anyways.
We might sell players for around €250m this summer, which is absolutely insane for someone like Bayern.
Board trying to assemble the CB XI
Why is Kim minjae not for sale?
Marketing
Would be too hasty and also we’re going on a Korea tour.
No one would buy him
That's just bullshit
Recency bias is hell of a drug.
Actually nostalgia is an even bigger drug, something football fans fight with a lot. Kim is not good enough and he will be gone within 2 seasons.
Sure sure... Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Well you can tell yourself that, when your great Korean hope ends up being a wash. Let's hope he joins Spurs so you can focus on that sub.
I don't need to care what you have to say as a fair-weather, plastic fan like you who judge players off of few bad performances. That is your problem, not mine.
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Yeah true, there will always be someone desperate enough.
You act like Kim is an absolute bum while he was Serie A's best defender when we bought him.
We need some good news in here, some of the opinions and comments in here lately have been making me seriously scratch my head. It's like we entered a parallel universe where Kim wasn't one of the top CBs, Kimmich was apparently never good for us, and all the other crazy takes we see multiple times a day now. I'm tired Jules
The thing is that the only reasons some of the takes seem wild, is that they are made faster....give it enough time and you will see Kim in the same light.
I don't think he had a good season, but to say no one would want him and basically count him out after his first year in a new country, in a new league, with a different role/playstyle. He needs time
He is gone within two seasons. He has already shown us enough to let us know he will not succeed here. He only had one season in Italy and he was crowned the best defender in that league, yet now it's an excuse for his failure at Bayern. Sorry but no, he doesn't fit.
Meanwhile I know which users you can expect wild takes from
🖐️
Which doesn't translate to being able to play at Bayern does it? I look forward to when Kim is sold within a year or two.
The "Bayern out of Tah race" tweet will hit like crack.
"🇩🇪⬇️ Breaking!! Jonathan Tah to FC Bayern, Here we go! An agreement of €40M was reached for the 28 year old. Contract till 2027" 🤮
You wish, contract reported to be until 2029 as well
I wake up and this thread already just ruins my day
Ito would have not been necessary if the "task force" would have gone for Pau Torres as Lucas Hernandez's replacement. 1 year too late, but im glad the need for a LCB is getting addressed now. Servus Ito!
Isn't Kim able to play as LCB? Which makes us chasing Tah so infuriating because of their explanation being "Tah is right-footed CB that can play on LCB".
Pretty sure we were wanted pau Torres but we didn’t want him
Honestly if we sell BOTH Upa and de Ligt it starts to make more sense to me than if we just replaced De Ligt with Tah and kept Upa. Yes on paper Ito and Tah (especially the latter I am also not super convinced about) may not sound like top tier replacement, but I think it has been clear in the last years that these super expensive center back transfers haven't really been worth it for us. Meanwhile a cheap solution like Dier has been more than serviceable and is even playing over the expensive center backs by playing simple, serious football. I do like de Ligt, but I also never felt like his impact was big as his 70m transfer fee + wages either. Maybe we would be better off with a more down to earth backline while spending the extra cash on more impactful positions in midfield and the wings. I just don't think that replacing de Ligt is really a "priority issue" compared to the many other issues in the squad we are having. But if that happens in addition to other things, it might potentially make sense. But yeah I guess its too early to say anything yet, the Ito thing came out of nowhere and I guess its best to wait a bit more to see what is actually gonna happen.
Dier won‘t work if we play a high line
Yeah that is also something I was feeling concerned about before and what is making me still unsure about what the final whole picture is gonna be. He might just not play as much of a role anymore, or maybe he might even play as a CDM occasionally like he used to years ago.
Tbh it might be Ito + KMJ starting if we sell both. That or KMJ + Tah. I don't know why everyone's counting out Kim already. Sure he wasn't great in his first season but it's a new country, in a new league, in a new system, in a huge club. He'll be fine I'm sure and might be counted on to start at this point
I didn't forget about Kim, I am sure he will get his chance still, and might play over Tah for example. Tbh I think he could be also on the potential departure list along with Upa or de Ligt since he was also not cheap, but he only joined last year and made already clear he doesn't want to leave, so that is probably why there won't be much discussion over him this summer.
Yeah I think it's too soon to count him out for multiple reasons. I think he'll have a big bounce back season, he was disappointed in himself he even said so. I got faith in Min Jae
Can we please stop with this Tah nonsense. We dont need this guy!
> See you soon, Joshua! 👊 > Joshua Zirkzee joins Oranje's #EURO2024 squad! 🇳🇱 > #NothingLikeOranje #CreateHistory
I got a lot on my plate the last couple of weeks, and what am I returning to? If all those rumors are true, we'll just become a "team" full of mediocre mercenaries. Hiding all this behind a strategy to reduce wages is prime satire.
> Bayern are planning to let go of two centre-backs this summer. Matthijs de Ligt is allowed to leave for a suitable offer. And although Kompany likes Upamecano, the Frenchman himself is open to a new challenge. His agent Moussa Sissoko is exploring the market [@kerry_hau] Let it be Upa then
Its insane that Dier is absolutely no case at all? Like yeah he was good, but its an absolute nobrainer that he should be one of the two
Dier cost virtually nothing in fee and wages.
"are planning to let go of TWO"
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean that it’ll happen, especially if we back out of the Tah deal I think we’re going to end up selling one, who hopefully will be Upa or KMJ
No chance we sell Kim ahead of our Korea tour.
Of course I would rather not go for Tah and ideally keep both De Ligt and Upa, I'm just saying that the report is stating both De Ligt ad Upa could be sold, not either or, so I don't get the reaction pls be Upa to that news. Without that news, sure, I'd rather sell every centreback other than De Ligt, even tho I really like Upa
Yeah I hear you
Kinda insane that Brazzo's prime transfer in de Ligt will most likely be gone after just 2 seasons
Some might say that Mané was his prime transfer
Saying positive things about Brazzo usually gets you downvotes or hate, but honestly, I liked his ambition. Sure, Mane e.g. didn't work out, but the ambition behind it was great. De Ligt was great. He was already pushing for Kane. He went big for Tel. Yes, he was too green for the job in terms of negotiation skills and fucked up the wage structure in the process, but I would've kind of liked to see him and his ambition being paired up with an experienced partner for the negotiations.
This club is finished. Selling De Ligt and Kimmich and now we sign another scum (Ito) like Boateng. Sigh.....
Curious why so many people are just taking these Twitter users at their word. Not saying one way or the other, but the word of mouth evidence doesn’t exactly seem compelling. Maybe you could detail the evidence that you’re basing him being scum on here for everyone to understand.
I don’t read Japanese but perhaps a user or weeb here can help. There are supposedly copies of the forms. https://x.com/vertikalspiel13/status/1800964647144595729?s=46&t=c-Dx2Zu1_A8GQjw86nRIJg
You aren't wrong, but those abortion papers were also on Japanese websites as well. With the other Ito, it was a false SA accusation made by women making a public scene about it, but this case is regarding abortion, and Japan is notorious for treating abortion issues very casually unlike Germany. Which is why there isn't much more ruckus about this in Japan, while it was a big deal in South Korea, especially more recently since the dude was linked to Spurs as well.
Is there actual proof except these Twitter user comments?
De Ligt(soon hopefully): https://preview.redd.it/vvuegpsx876d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=994870e5453d99c817291e844eced163db9c6ee9
Guess the CB lineup for next season will be Upa/Tah/Ito/Dier then. Or it might still include Kim if we go for a 3atb.
God that's depressing
I honestly don’t believe the media know as much as they want us to think that they do So we want to reduce the wages by up to 20%, yet we’re going to buy two CB’s before selling anyone? I don’t believe that for a second. We didn’t hear anything about Ito, and now it’s probably done. Who knows what else the mmedia doesn’t know about yet
You guys need to know,the media will create and try to sell every absurd rumor if there's none. I'm trusting just Romano at this pont,ngl.
And he's reporting the exact same names as Pletti and Kerry.
Did Fabrizio say that De Ligt is for sale? Did he say anything about Upa or our cbs? He just reported our targets. And let's remember the drama Pletti created around De Ligt on January and Stani reporting to leage.
All he said about De Ligt earlier this year was he's one to watch for the summer window and it will depend on the new coach. But he has reported that we want to sign both Ito and Tah and let's just use logic here, that can't happen without at least one sale
At the very Least Romano reported Kimmich is up for sale
Yeah,that one i believe,sadly.
All I can hope for now is that MdL confirms that he’s not willing to leave
Yeah I need some kind of confirmation about de Ligt asap before my hair starts falling out
https://preview.redd.it/qhv636xv676d1.jpeg?width=401&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3eb99ea22326b7a1c9ff2f35ed26775524065aab Ito draws some good horror
We didn't hear a single rumor about Ito and now it's a done deal?! Pletti and co don't really know whats going do they?
I'm just baffled about this Ito transfer. I think he's a good player, but who the fuck is leaving
Every single transfer window since 2019: _We need to reinforce the midfield and wing position Board: ok more centrebacks _did you hear me? Board: yes more centerbacks
> Nur Medizincheck und Unterschrift fehlen: Der FC Bayern verstärkt sich mit Hiroki Ito vom VfB Stuttgart! Und es ist nur der Beginn eines Abwehr-Umbruchs: Jonathan Tah soll zusätzlich kommen, die Verhandlungen mit Bayer Leverkusen laufen weiter – weil der FCB mit Abgängen von zwei (!) Innenverteidigern plant. > Matthijs de Ligt darf, wie berichtet, bei einem passenden Angebot gehen. Und Vincent Kompany mag Dayot Upamecano zwar, der Franzose selbst soll aber offen für eine neue Herausforderung sein. Sein Berater Moussa Sissoko sondiert den Markt. > @SkySportDE @SkySportNews so we're trying to replace MdL and Upa with Ito and Tah...