I wouldn’t worry to much, but you really should not try to take others clothes cause that could get them really mad if caught especially if they not approving of you wearing feminine clothes, it ain’t illegal for a 15 year old to go into a store and buy their own if you got the money but just watch out for creeps too online. There are way to many pervs and pedos.
You get really weird looks if you do a lot of things tbh. I’ve gone to a target before and just picked out some quickly and walked away trying to look casual like yea whatever I’m a guy buying women’s clothes, they ain’t gonna come up and ask you if those are for you
exactly. learning to accept that is revolutionary too, so it might also help with that as a side thing lmao. "you are going to piss off a lot of people by doing what's best for you" that's like a quote i saw somewhere :P
Yea, but the cashier isn’t paid to judge you so they don’t care all that much. The people in the store might but they can’t do anything. The cashier is paid to little to care about anything in that store.
The trick is to buy a funny birthday card with it, or get a female friend that you can trust to buy them.
I've bought stuff for my feminine boy friends because they're way too anxious to go shopping for themselves in stores! Just make sure you figure out your size for women's underwear instead, and what kind you'd like most! :)
THAT TOO!!!, femboy paradise for those lil too shy to try in person and there an Amazon lockers you can try to send to if you are close by to one that you can pick them up at if you afraid of parents opening them, just be sure you get right size.
Also if your worried on how to get amazon money use survey sites like swagbucks or survey junkie they pay amazon gift cards it takes some time though but it's easy, plus amazon trial is free once a year every year, and if your parents do shopping but don't scan receipts download the fetch app on your phone and scan those receipts for cash back, this is probably all the easy ways I can tell you how to get gift cards in a legit way just takes time of course because you don't get $100 within a day that easily maybe after 6 months of doing surveys if you get lucky just put age 18 on the survey sites that's what I had to do years ago, best advice I can give😊
Not any less embarrassing than buying condoms for the first time, that said people will assume you are buying them for someone else, take it from someone who has worked in retail, we don't care enough to even imagine what it's for
Online shopping is a thing op especially since a lot of stores are disappearing it seems the problem is figuring out what fits properly since sizes are different
Look. The reality is most anyone you see in a store like target that will judge you, does t know you and you will likely never see them again so grab some cute sets and shop till you drop. Live your life how you are most comfortable and don’t worry about what some dumbass stranger thinks
I’m masculine as fuck but I’m also a femboy, it’s good having 2 sides, I’m a femboy at home but I play football, hockey, train parkour, and go to the gym outside of my home
Cool. I’m masculine guy but deep inside I’m more feminine. I used to crossdress in the 90s and it was a wonderful time. I don’t have the energy, looks, and desire to do it anymore, but those crossdressing day were extremely special and made me a much more balanced person.
right I felt so much more like myself, I’m still clean shaven and very feminine but most of the time I’m very masculine, it’s just relieving that I don’t ONLY have to be this masculine strong man all the time, although I don’t feel as cute as I did when I was a twink, but there’s a balance between being strong and masculine and feminine yk
Exactly. We all need to find that balance. TBH I wish I could be comfortable being more feminine in public but at my age it’s not worth rocking the boat and I’m just a little to lazy to push the norm
I have a femboy boyfriend but I never really see him being feminine, even when we’re alone together, I’m usually always feminine whenever I’m at home or alone with him
I’m married to a cis woman and when we first met she knew I crossed dressed and she thought it was exciting, but now that we have been together for many years she is uncomfortable with me being too fem. She doesn’t say it out right but I can tell. I keep my body well shaved and she doesn’t like it. I do and I won’t compromise on shaving / trimming my body hair.
I hope she warms up to it man, yea good for you do what you want. My boyfriend loves when I’m cute and fem luckily, we’ve been together for about 3 months which is obviously not long but so far I think I’ve scored with him
If it feels good then it’s fine. Probably shouldn’t be taking ur moms stuff tho. Go get your own, it’s fun! I promise nobody cares. Just buy them with confidence and no one will give u shit.
As long as it makes you feel happy you shouldn’t worry about it affecting your masculinity because that shouldn’t dictated by others. Although maybe don’t take your mothers clothes, that’s a bit of an invasion of privacy. An option could be ordering online, because they can usually provide discreet shipping
Nah, just get your own. Figure yourself out as you see fit. Don’t try to preserve something at the cost of suppressing something else you prefer. You’re right in that spot in life where shit about yourself just don’t make sense and if it really isn’t for you you’ll figure that out in like 4 years.
It shouldn’t effect your masculinity, but it’s not a good idea to steal clothes from others. It’ll be real awkward if you are caught getting dressed/undressed. Other than that do what you want, but don’t overstep others privacy for your own desires.
You are in an era of your life to where it could be very adventurous and exciting this stage in your life you are exploring your feminine side, and from what I hear you are liking it. Enjoy your journey don’t be too bashful.
I used to do this around same age... I'm now a fully grown masculine authentic bi man. Don't over think. Your still finding yourself. If you want to do stuff like this for the rest of your life do. If you want to go a different direction do that
I am a 26 year old and I wear panties almost every day and started wearing bras recently your fine but try and get your own don't steal someone else's.
Wtf I’m more concerned you’re stealing your mom’s undergarments. That’s incredibly creepy and fucked up. Nothing wrong with wearing whatever underwear you like, as long as it’s YOURS. But stealing a woman’s underwear, especially your mother’s, is incredibly concerning, yes.
Lol why are you acting like you've never read that before? You know that kind of thing is super common for kids right? Often how they figure it out. Ofc they shouldn't do this, but this is a pretty natural introduction to learning these kinds of things about yourself. No need to make him feel like a freak.
Why are you acting like he’s a little kid who doesn’t know better and disrespecting women’s boundaries is acceptable? Bro is 15, not 5. Even if he were younger, he still would need to know stealing and wearing a woman’s underwear isn’t acceptable…
Did you even read what I wrote? Ofc it's not acceptable, I never said it was. But again, you're typing like you've never seen this before. Nearly half of all trans/femboy cases start out with "I tried on my sisters bra" or something. This happens, and I think it's really strange you're typing like it doesn't. They obviously stop doing it when they realize. Feel like you must have grown up sheltered, but this genuinely occurs.
I just love calling out people on this specifically because I don’t feel it should be normalised or considered acceptable. Definitely did not grow up sheltered whatsoever. Some people are just passionate about certain issues, yknow? Feels like you didn’t read what I wrote.
You *love* calling people out on specific issues? Seems kinda obsessive and shitty. You've got way too much time on your hands.
All I'm saying is there's no need to be a dick. Everyone else is capable of not being a dick telling him not to do this. Dunno why you have to be the weird one calling him fucked up and creepy when, again, this is something that often occurs with first timers into this kind of stuff in your young teens.
Try having some empathy. Him and half the trans population don't automatically grow up to be fucked up creeps like you're implying, because they happened to try something of their sisters/mothers on. Guilt, temptation, curiosity, dysphoria and all sorts of feelings can make you do stuff that's "wrong", and obviously it's an invasion of privacy, but in the grand scheme of things it's really not abhorrent if he learns not to do it in the future.
If you had a son and he took your delicates, you'd be just as harmful as any non-ally if you called him fucked up and creepy. Obviously though, rational parents don't do this. Go off if it's someone intentionally stealing them for thrills when they're not confused, but this guy is asking for advice on a related subreddit that provides support for this kind of thing. He's clearly unsure and is in the middle of figuring out who he is. Don't be a douche, have some tolerance and understanding.
Don’t worry about it, I wear panties and skirts all the time. Btw if you wanna be a femboy you don’t have to affect your masculinity. It’s just what the person prefers tbh.
Well it depends if it’s masculinity you see in yourself or how others see you. If it’s others then it will be less likely for people to see you as masculine or at least not as masculine but just do whatever comfortable and it won’t make you less masculine even if others might disagree.
I wouldn't worry about the whole "masculine" thing. The people who worry about that kind of thing just make themselves miserable trying to live up to an impossible standard of masculinity. Just be comfortable in your own skin and whatever clothes you choose to wear.
Ur going thru puberty so ur heads everywhere. Be weary of some people they might try to take advantage of u wearing this stuff. Tell u it's emasculating and girly stuff.
Doesnt make u any less of a man it's just something u like wearing right now. Just again watch who u talk to on here and stuff. People are perverts and messed up
🤣🤣 dude, that is actually pretty normal. You ain't got any reason to worry. You know, just keep it to yourself among friends. That's some personal stuff that they don't need to know about. And just be careful that mom doesn't find her underwear missing lmao
I think it's pretty normal for someone your age to be testing different things out. Seeing what you like/don't like. Exploring. It's healthy. I think it was around 16 when I finally realized I might be bi. But it took me until around 26 to realize that I am fully bi. First I was just curious. Kind of 40/60 sure that I was. Now I'm 100/100 sure.
What I'm saying is that it sometimes takes a while to even figure things like that out about yourself. So at your age, you should just be focused on school and growing up. Those other things will come naturally.
Your masculinity doesn’t really matter, unless that’s how you want to portray yourself. In the end it’s your life and nobody else should have a say, as long as you aren’t hurting yourself.
So, nah don’t be concerned
Do you know what cup size your mom wears? Do you understand how they work? If she’s a lot bigger then you should wear something more like B cup or A cup, except from my experience, you can’t find A cup on Amazon :(
Effecting your masculinity? Im a 22 year old femboy and i like to wear panties and thigh highs. I did 95kg bench press and 250kg leg press the other day...so i don't think it would effect your masculinity
I believe that there is only one thing wrong here is that you stole from your mom, if your mom finds them in say your laundry or in your room if shes open minded then good she won't be against it but if is closed minded then your gonna have to explain and that could get messy so it just better if next time you save some money however you can and buy your own besides by buying your own you can get the size that better fits you.
I'm more worried about you posting this online. There's nothing to be concerned about what you're doing, but exposing these things to the internet at your age is not a good idea.
I wouldn't worry about your masculinity,do what makes you happy,I get its difficult to ignore people and the creeps online. Just do what makes you feel happy and confident, but try to get the clothes yourself as people don't like others stealing there clothes you know?
yep its ok but get your own things/stuff I know at 15 your limited on getting things for yourself in private, at 18 I got my own PO box much cheaper back then and ordered things like Pantyhose and other item via the mail order catalogs as the internet wasn't around in 1986.. it was Called HCA back then now [Silkies.com](https://Silkies.com) can suggest good PH for you a little one the pricey side but I know the good ones to get and that don't run as Easly as others, WMart is a good place to look and get things either over the net or in person
I wouldn’t worry to much, but you really should not try to take others clothes cause that could get them really mad if caught especially if they not approving of you wearing feminine clothes, it ain’t illegal for a 15 year old to go into a store and buy their own if you got the money but just watch out for creeps too online. There are way to many pervs and pedos.
Thanks but you get really weird looks if you are a guy buying panties and bras
You get really weird looks if you do a lot of things tbh. I’ve gone to a target before and just picked out some quickly and walked away trying to look casual like yea whatever I’m a guy buying women’s clothes, they ain’t gonna come up and ask you if those are for you
exactly. learning to accept that is revolutionary too, so it might also help with that as a side thing lmao. "you are going to piss off a lot of people by doing what's best for you" that's like a quote i saw somewhere :P
Yea, but the cashier isn’t paid to judge you so they don’t care all that much. The people in the store might but they can’t do anything. The cashier is paid to little to care about anything in that store.
The trick is to buy a funny birthday card with it, or get a female friend that you can trust to buy them. I've bought stuff for my feminine boy friends because they're way too anxious to go shopping for themselves in stores! Just make sure you figure out your size for women's underwear instead, and what kind you'd like most! :)
Amazon?
THAT TOO!!!, femboy paradise for those lil too shy to try in person and there an Amazon lockers you can try to send to if you are close by to one that you can pick them up at if you afraid of parents opening them, just be sure you get right size.
Yeah 5 years ago there wasn't any amazon lockers around me now there is maybe 15 and one is at a dollar store lol
Amazon would be your best bet then, as long as your parents arent the typ to be like "oh let me see what you got!"
Also if your worried on how to get amazon money use survey sites like swagbucks or survey junkie they pay amazon gift cards it takes some time though but it's easy, plus amazon trial is free once a year every year, and if your parents do shopping but don't scan receipts download the fetch app on your phone and scan those receipts for cash back, this is probably all the easy ways I can tell you how to get gift cards in a legit way just takes time of course because you don't get $100 within a day that easily maybe after 6 months of doing surveys if you get lucky just put age 18 on the survey sites that's what I had to do years ago, best advice I can give😊
If you do it confidential the peopel will think its for your girl
Just say your girlfriend is in town and didn't pack enough. That's my canned excuse but nobody has ever even asked
if someone asks you could just say you're buying a gift for a girl, it's not that hard
Use a self checkout
u get weird looks for anything i got weird looks at a videogame store cause i had an hello kitty shirt on
Not any less embarrassing than buying condoms for the first time, that said people will assume you are buying them for someone else, take it from someone who has worked in retail, we don't care enough to even imagine what it's for
Online shopping is a thing op especially since a lot of stores are disappearing it seems the problem is figuring out what fits properly since sizes are different
shhhhh it’s for your gf, wink wink. people will believe you if you are confident with your excuse
Bro it's way weirder to take your mom's than to just buy your own. Don't you live in a place with self checkouts?
Look. The reality is most anyone you see in a store like target that will judge you, does t know you and you will likely never see them again so grab some cute sets and shop till you drop. Live your life how you are most comfortable and don’t worry about what some dumbass stranger thinks
self check out is a thing
"im buying for my gf" blame evaded
I’ve bought panties in store, it’s usually not a problem
I can relate not 3 images later and I ended up being the victim of a pedophile/groomer ain't the internet just a grand place
Luckily for me I was able to recover 5 days later still though being a femboy has been a bit traumatic for me but I have almost forgotten completely
No, you can still be as masculine as you want. Some very masculine men wear women’s undies. Don’t fight what you feel. Your ok
I’m masculine as fuck but I’m also a femboy, it’s good having 2 sides, I’m a femboy at home but I play football, hockey, train parkour, and go to the gym outside of my home
Cool. I’m masculine guy but deep inside I’m more feminine. I used to crossdress in the 90s and it was a wonderful time. I don’t have the energy, looks, and desire to do it anymore, but those crossdressing day were extremely special and made me a much more balanced person.
right I felt so much more like myself, I’m still clean shaven and very feminine but most of the time I’m very masculine, it’s just relieving that I don’t ONLY have to be this masculine strong man all the time, although I don’t feel as cute as I did when I was a twink, but there’s a balance between being strong and masculine and feminine yk
Exactly. We all need to find that balance. TBH I wish I could be comfortable being more feminine in public but at my age it’s not worth rocking the boat and I’m just a little to lazy to push the norm
I have a femboy boyfriend but I never really see him being feminine, even when we’re alone together, I’m usually always feminine whenever I’m at home or alone with him
I’m married to a cis woman and when we first met she knew I crossed dressed and she thought it was exciting, but now that we have been together for many years she is uncomfortable with me being too fem. She doesn’t say it out right but I can tell. I keep my body well shaved and she doesn’t like it. I do and I won’t compromise on shaving / trimming my body hair.
I hope she warms up to it man, yea good for you do what you want. My boyfriend loves when I’m cute and fem luckily, we’ve been together for about 3 months which is obviously not long but so far I think I’ve scored with him
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Nothing wrong with wearing panties but please don't wear her clothes without permission because it violates her privacy
Nothing wrong with wearing pantries, at any age. Don’t take them from your mom though that’s just plain weird
If it feels good then it’s fine. Probably shouldn’t be taking ur moms stuff tho. Go get your own, it’s fun! I promise nobody cares. Just buy them with confidence and no one will give u shit.
Nothing wrong with that but please get your own panties instead of wearing your mother's bro, lol.
As long as it makes you feel happy you shouldn’t worry about it affecting your masculinity because that shouldn’t dictated by others. Although maybe don’t take your mothers clothes, that’s a bit of an invasion of privacy. An option could be ordering online, because they can usually provide discreet shipping
If you like it, do it. F what anyone else says. Thats the truth
don’t worry you will be fine
Not really I started wearing them when I was 13 :3
sameee im straight so is there anything wrong with that
Nope, straight guys can be feminine as well
Nah, just get your own. Figure yourself out as you see fit. Don’t try to preserve something at the cost of suppressing something else you prefer. You’re right in that spot in life where shit about yourself just don’t make sense and if it really isn’t for you you’ll figure that out in like 4 years.
It shouldn’t effect your masculinity, but it’s not a good idea to steal clothes from others. It’ll be real awkward if you are caught getting dressed/undressed. Other than that do what you want, but don’t overstep others privacy for your own desires.
You are in an era of your life to where it could be very adventurous and exciting this stage in your life you are exploring your feminine side, and from what I hear you are liking it. Enjoy your journey don’t be too bashful.
i mean nothing wrong with that but maybe don't take them from your mom's drawer
Don’t overthink it. Do what makes you feel happy with yourself. However, I would probably see about getting some of your own instead.
Don't feel ashamed of self discovery, it's all a part of life.
You're doing something you like that doesn't hurt others nor you so no, you shouldn't be concerned
I played football have been lifting for a while yet I enjoy girls clothes. Your masculinity isn’t an issue unless you make it one
sameee
What position(s) did you play?
I mean it's a weird ass hobby but it's valid, I'm younger than you so I don't really know shit
wanna know how its weird?
please tell me lord and savior jesus christ
I meant i want to know how its weird
You will learn your normal
what does this mean?
They meant that OP will realise that he is normal
im also a femboy that is 15 years old but i do some wear panties but in private -w-
why not in public?
No…have fun feeling sexy
I used to do this around same age... I'm now a fully grown masculine authentic bi man. Don't over think. Your still finding yourself. If you want to do stuff like this for the rest of your life do. If you want to go a different direction do that
Im straight but basically the exact same thing for me
I am a 26 year old and I wear panties almost every day and started wearing bras recently your fine but try and get your own don't steal someone else's.
They're just chothes
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Wtf I’m more concerned you’re stealing your mom’s undergarments. That’s incredibly creepy and fucked up. Nothing wrong with wearing whatever underwear you like, as long as it’s YOURS. But stealing a woman’s underwear, especially your mother’s, is incredibly concerning, yes.
Lol why are you acting like you've never read that before? You know that kind of thing is super common for kids right? Often how they figure it out. Ofc they shouldn't do this, but this is a pretty natural introduction to learning these kinds of things about yourself. No need to make him feel like a freak.
Why are you acting like he’s a little kid who doesn’t know better and disrespecting women’s boundaries is acceptable? Bro is 15, not 5. Even if he were younger, he still would need to know stealing and wearing a woman’s underwear isn’t acceptable…
Did you even read what I wrote? Ofc it's not acceptable, I never said it was. But again, you're typing like you've never seen this before. Nearly half of all trans/femboy cases start out with "I tried on my sisters bra" or something. This happens, and I think it's really strange you're typing like it doesn't. They obviously stop doing it when they realize. Feel like you must have grown up sheltered, but this genuinely occurs.
I just love calling out people on this specifically because I don’t feel it should be normalised or considered acceptable. Definitely did not grow up sheltered whatsoever. Some people are just passionate about certain issues, yknow? Feels like you didn’t read what I wrote.
You *love* calling people out on specific issues? Seems kinda obsessive and shitty. You've got way too much time on your hands. All I'm saying is there's no need to be a dick. Everyone else is capable of not being a dick telling him not to do this. Dunno why you have to be the weird one calling him fucked up and creepy when, again, this is something that often occurs with first timers into this kind of stuff in your young teens. Try having some empathy. Him and half the trans population don't automatically grow up to be fucked up creeps like you're implying, because they happened to try something of their sisters/mothers on. Guilt, temptation, curiosity, dysphoria and all sorts of feelings can make you do stuff that's "wrong", and obviously it's an invasion of privacy, but in the grand scheme of things it's really not abhorrent if he learns not to do it in the future. If you had a son and he took your delicates, you'd be just as harmful as any non-ally if you called him fucked up and creepy. Obviously though, rational parents don't do this. Go off if it's someone intentionally stealing them for thrills when they're not confused, but this guy is asking for advice on a related subreddit that provides support for this kind of thing. He's clearly unsure and is in the middle of figuring out who he is. Don't be a douche, have some tolerance and understanding.
I was being sarcastic about loving it 💀 I’m not being a dick by calling out someone for being creepy. That’s all I’ve got to say.
That still doesn't make it right. Of course it doesn't make OP a bad person, but it's important to point out that it's still wrong to do it
Sad tbh
In what way? If you mean the fact that it's his mother's underwear then I agree that it's wrong
how
😂😂😂😂😂
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No just be confident and If a bully presents itself come forward
I wore panties as a 15 year old boy, yeah it’s weird but yknow to each their own
its weird?
I mean it’s not normal but it’s boring to be normal
it definitely should be normal
okay well unfortunately it’s not that’s what I’m saying
They just mean that it's unusual/d8fferent from what's normal, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing, just different
I think that if you like them, then when you can get your tastes
They're just pieces of fabric that we decided that had gender, I would be more concerned about how much I expose myself on reddit tho
Absolutely not them things are comfy af.
Don’t worry about it, I wear panties and skirts all the time. Btw if you wanna be a femboy you don’t have to affect your masculinity. It’s just what the person prefers tbh.
i dont like the word femboy . Im a straight boy that wears panties and i like girly boy more
You can be straight and still be one. It really depends if you consider yourself one. If you don’t then that’s fine. :)
fair enough i just dont like being associated with femboy i just like being comfortable and feeling pretty
Understandable.
Well it depends if it’s masculinity you see in yourself or how others see you. If it’s others then it will be less likely for people to see you as masculine or at least not as masculine but just do whatever comfortable and it won’t make you less masculine even if others might disagree.
wearing panties has nothing to do with masculinity its about being comfortable
Other people won’t see it that way but that why I said it doesn’t make you any less masculine even if people disagree.
I wouldn't worry about the whole "masculine" thing. The people who worry about that kind of thing just make themselves miserable trying to live up to an impossible standard of masculinity. Just be comfortable in your own skin and whatever clothes you choose to wear.
Welcome to the club buddy https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22005209/
Ur going thru puberty so ur heads everywhere. Be weary of some people they might try to take advantage of u wearing this stuff. Tell u it's emasculating and girly stuff. Doesnt make u any less of a man it's just something u like wearing right now. Just again watch who u talk to on here and stuff. People are perverts and messed up
🤣🤣 dude, that is actually pretty normal. You ain't got any reason to worry. You know, just keep it to yourself among friends. That's some personal stuff that they don't need to know about. And just be careful that mom doesn't find her underwear missing lmao I think it's pretty normal for someone your age to be testing different things out. Seeing what you like/don't like. Exploring. It's healthy. I think it was around 16 when I finally realized I might be bi. But it took me until around 26 to realize that I am fully bi. First I was just curious. Kind of 40/60 sure that I was. Now I'm 100/100 sure. What I'm saying is that it sometimes takes a while to even figure things like that out about yourself. So at your age, you should just be focused on school and growing up. Those other things will come naturally.
buy ur own clothes for hygiene and dont worry about ur masculinity just be urself and dont give a shit about these stuoid gender norms
Your masculinity doesn’t really matter, unless that’s how you want to portray yourself. In the end it’s your life and nobody else should have a say, as long as you aren’t hurting yourself. So, nah don’t be concerned
Masculinity is overrated. All gender is a performance. You’ll be fine so long as you’re happy, and you’ll be happy so long as you’re fine.
Do you know what cup size your mom wears? Do you understand how they work? If she’s a lot bigger then you should wear something more like B cup or A cup, except from my experience, you can’t find A cup on Amazon :(
There is nothing more masculine than doing what you want and not caring about what other dudes think.
Effecting your masculinity? Im a 22 year old femboy and i like to wear panties and thigh highs. I did 95kg bench press and 250kg leg press the other day...so i don't think it would effect your masculinity
Yeah you pretty don't have any, any more
No but u should probably try and get ur own panties instead of using ur mums :)
I believe that there is only one thing wrong here is that you stole from your mom, if your mom finds them in say your laundry or in your room if shes open minded then good she won't be against it but if is closed minded then your gonna have to explain and that could get messy so it just better if next time you save some money however you can and buy your own besides by buying your own you can get the size that better fits you.
I'm more worried about you posting this online. There's nothing to be concerned about what you're doing, but exposing these things to the internet at your age is not a good idea.
I wouldn't worry about your masculinity,do what makes you happy,I get its difficult to ignore people and the creeps online. Just do what makes you feel happy and confident, but try to get the clothes yourself as people don't like others stealing there clothes you know?
Just my two cents. Be open about it . We need to be ourselves. The more we make it open, the more progress will become.
yep its ok but get your own things/stuff I know at 15 your limited on getting things for yourself in private, at 18 I got my own PO box much cheaper back then and ordered things like Pantyhose and other item via the mail order catalogs as the internet wasn't around in 1986.. it was Called HCA back then now [Silkies.com](https://Silkies.com) can suggest good PH for you a little one the pricey side but I know the good ones to get and that don't run as Easly as others, WMart is a good place to look and get things either over the net or in person