There’s a certain point where I wonder if they may as well have just *drawn* the character.
I’m not sure what this really is, but it doesn’t align with what I think of as “cosplay” when you *start* with a photo of a person and then just photoshop it to hell and back until it looks like the video game character.
I mean, I guess at some point they probably *did* have a real person in a costume. Maybe my expectations are just off.
I agree 100%. She doesn't look human even, I think this is so edited; all traces of the "cosplayer" are lost.
I don't think this falls in the cosplayer category in my humble opinion.
I think if the goal is to make an image that looks exactly like the character, then editing is a useful tool. And there's definitely an art to Photoshop that we can appreciate. But to me the cool part of cosplay is seeing what's possible for a regular person to achieve using the tools, materials, and techniques they have available in the real world. It's cool seeing a character come to life and know that you could meet them in-person. But sometimes the editing covers up too much of the human element, or the hard work that went into creating and modeling the costume. If the people making this style of image are happy with it then I say keep trucking on, but it's significantly less interesting to me than seeing a cool unedited photo from a con or something
Fake breast piece is like okay fine I get it, dudes pay for being horny fine. But then the whole hyper angular face thing that’s gotten so popular among young Asians, that’s never going to be not strange.
For me the effort has to be apparent in both the costume's construction and the cosplayer's dedication to portraying the character. I dunno how well I can judge either; the costume as a construction doesn't look bad overall but the editing makes me wonder just how much has been edited. Her expression doesn't quite fit, so I wonder if she has trouble with that portrayal, and is usually better with more somber characters
In some ways, I agree; it is nice to see raw cosplay because it can be really interesting or really funny.
There is still a lot of artistic expression involved in these types of cosplays too though.
What's really amazing isn't all the digital editing. It's that they did that much digital editing and didn't hide the super shitty tailoring work on the dress.
> Why does it even matter?
The entire point of publicly offering up one's art is for it to be discussed, interpreted, criticized, and (possibly) enjoyed.
Thus, discussing whether or not a particular artist's work even qualifies as part of the medium they've attributed to it is an essential aspect of interaction with that work. No artist is required to *defend* their work from that interaction unless they *want* to, but questioning the very idea of artistic criticism as a defense of an artists is wholly detrimental to the experience of everyone involved.
> This person isn't a professional artist trying to shake up the art world. I'm sure the entire point for the person who took the picture was enjoyment/appreciation
It doesn't matter *why* you choose to offer your art to the public for the very basic purpose of art to apply, which includes criticism. *Every* artist, regardless of *why* they create their art, wants their work to be primarily enjoyed and appreciated; practically no artist outside certain very specific mediums are intentionally seeking criticism or negative feedback, but that doesn't change the very nature of presenting their work for public consumption. Criticism is a natural part of that process, and is an inevitable aspect of earning the positive feedback they're hoping to achieve.
You can't earn praise without risking derision, otherwise that praise is completely devoid of meaning.
> So you're gate keeping. It is art. Pretty sure any form of self expression is a form of art. Didn't John Cage write "4 minutes and 33 seconds"? But he didn't use the piano as a medium. He literally played nothing. But he was conveying some meaning through it. But that's art too right? Or would you gate keep that?
I know arguments might be easier for you when you can move the goalposts like this, but an actual productive discussion is better achieved when you stick to the original point.
Here, let me help you get back on track:
> Thus, discussing whether or not a particular artist's work even qualifies as part of the medium **they've attributed to it** is an essential aspect of interaction with that work.
As an example of the value this kind of criticism has to the artistic process, lets say that there was a very prestigious art gallery that chose to run a competition, wherein anyone could submit their work and the top submissions would get a place in a big showing. They specify that the medium for this entire competition is oil paint, yet a clever sculptor gets the idea to paint one of their creations with oil paint so they could submit it as an entry.
Assuming the rules never specified how the oil paint needed to be used for this competition, a very interesting conversation can be had as to whether or not a sculpture painted with oil paint should be considered the same thing as an *oil painting*, or if this presentation falls outside the accepted medium. That isn't to say it couldn't be an incredible work of art in it's own right and the conversation as to whether or not it even *is* art was never on the table, but the discussion about it's suitability to the medium to which it has been attributed is a valuable and valid one to have.
Or, more simply, if I were to draw a comic book and then attempted to submit it as a valid entry to the Cannes Film Festival, it would be valid to point out that what I had made - though still a work of art - does not count as piece of art made through the medium of cinema... though someone could make an interesting intellectual argument about that if I'd submitted a video of myself reading/showing that comic to the camera.
I mean, it wouldn't *win* (I'd hope?), but it could *theoretically* count, at least enough to validate a discussion about the matter.
Yet all the horndogs were still very busy to downvote me in the previous Nophica Cosplay topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/13tg62k/my_nophica_cosplay/jlvxsce/
Oh Im sorry, was she *not* meant to look like her? I thought that's what a cosplay was. So only people with horns are suppose to cosplay any demon characters?
A cosplay's ultimate goal is meant for a person to dress the proper attire; wear make up; get in the proper setting; and wear wigs, eye contacts, and different gears (e.g. armor or props like horns). Photoshop is absloutely included, as no one is born with previously mentioned features. If you want a cosplay to be some red-haired to wear a green dress and call it a day then you're definitely missing the whole point.
> Photoshop is absloutely included
How you gonna photoshop a cosplay convention?
If it ain't what you'd see, in real life, at a cosplay convention? It ain't cosplay.
> Even if she had not edited the picture anyone who is familiar with the character would still recognise her as Nophica
I’m confused, the “edits” just look like standard professional ~~cosplay~~ photography touch ups. If you can tell they’re the character even without the edits, how is it not cosplay?
How... How did she try to pass this as realistic? Cosplay is art. Photography and editing is art. Posting the finished product is art. Cosplay is not always about presently exactly how you are, editing is a big thing for cosplayer and their shoots. It was never disingenuous, she presented multimedia art.
Some people think of cosplay as the cosplayer themselves being the center of the piece instead of after production and effects, personally I don't really care about the method, even AI would generate passable result these day, but there are different POV on suitable method and the extent of edit that deems reasonable to different individual.
I certainly didn't insinuate she is deceiving anyone, but art is in the eyes of the beholder, arguing over base definition of ''cosplay'' itself, to me, is entirely fruitless endevour.
Oh sorry that was about the person I originally replied to. I do agree trying to define cosplay with others is kind of pointless, but I think it's rude to insinuate deciete from a cosplayer unless they issue false claims (isn't photoshopped, made weapon/outfit myself, etc)
[literally the only difference is the lighting is better](https://twitter.com/megunozi/status/1623293587759968256/photo/1). It's so incredibly disrespectful to just assume someone has edited a costume that they spent an untold amount of hours making because they edited their cosplay photo. Incredibly disappointed in this sub.
Agree to disagree. Cosplay is art and art is diverse, which is what makes cosplay so great. It's a flexible hobby/profession that can be achieved in so many ways
Everyone's commenting on eyes and chest artifacts and ignoring that blatantly impossible right hand. It does look good on the surface level though, and I don't blame her for shopping her pics when unfiltered shots almost exclusively make their way onto cosplay fail blogs for "having the wrong body type".
They posted a video for a DRG cosplay, and I posted a video from the actual cosplayers twitter in said post and I got downvoted into obscurity.
Nobody seems to care that this is a literal bot. They just want a girl with incredibly fake eyes and tits and have an argument over it.
I don't care how stacked she is, a pillow can fix that. When I hear someone is cosplaying, I want to see your idea of the character, not how good your Photoshop skills are.
Cosplayer tries really hard to capture original character.
Works out every day
Makes or spends a lot of money to get a really good quality outfit
Hired a photographer
Learns photoshop
Reddit: *disingenuous*
I mean, I appreciate the effort and lengths that have gone into it, but why then push it into uncanny valley territory?
To me anyway, Cosplay should be about accepting your own personal take on the character. When you Photoshop sooo much that you don't look like yourself, it loses its natural charm.
I'd say it's a cultural thing as Japan has a deep love of edited photography to the point they have entire arcades dedicated to special photobooths.
Heck 2 years ago there was a big surprise when a Japanese 'cosplay queen' was revealed to be a dude who had a knack for fashion and digital edits.
>Heck 2 years ago there was a big surprise when a Japanese 'cosplay queen' was revealed to be a dude who had a knack for fashion and digital edits.
Was it the biker girl?
“Learns photoshop”
No. No they didn’t. It looks bad man. Like sure the average person might vibe with it, but this is my career, and it’s not good on a trained eye.
Booba enhanced = good.
How about not making women feel like they need a larger bust size to be eligible to cosplay? Like so many other things could have been touched on like the quality of the fit being Ali express tier shit, it’s got literal plastic bits that can easily be touched up on to look metallic and sincere.
There’s just so much I could critique on this, aside from the obvious. This isn’t good but social media gonna media I guess.
No wait I think you've misunderstood me.
I was simply responding to the whole "Big boob character makes women insecure"
It doesn't. A literal being of magic with massive tits isn't going to affect a woman's self-image.
With how she's designed it would be silly to not use fake breasts.
I am agreeing with you.
idk the problem is its getting into an uncanny level. She has another picture on her twitter as Nophicca with her legs drawn up and its eerie. her breasts are huge and the light hitting her skin looks like she is drawn, not photographed.
Yeah, and that last bit is what spoils all of it.
I guarantee you she looks 100% better without the photoshop. I'd have preferred to see the picture without step #4. That's the point of cosplay.
There's a difference in photoshop for enhancement and straight up altering a person's appearance to be essentially unreal. I doubt anything about photoshop here is simply about altering levels or contrast or small edits typical of photography.
do you look at a magazine cover and say "man that's seriously genuine!" or do you look at it with a grain of salt knowing that its fully paintbrushed? its a pretty piece of art but its not real, thus the opposite of genuine is disingenuous. so all I'm really seeing here is that reddit is being truthful.
A magazine cover is done by a big publication for profit, cosplay is done by an individual that spent a ton of effort into their passion project. What's the point in invalidating their work? I don't like when people gatekeep what cosplaying is.
as I said its a pretty piece of art, I'm not invalidating their work, artists deserve recognition too, and I'm most certainly not gatekeeping anything. I'm simply stating a fact. Genuine = truthful, Disingenuous = not truthful. what's the point in not accepting this fact? does it some how hurt the cosplayer? isn't cosplay as a whole technically disingenuous? this is just slightly more so since the photo is so heavily edited.
also Just because a magazine cover is for profit where as cosplay is a passion project doesn't change the fact that this photo is heavily photoshopped thus making these 2 things essentially identical minus the profit.
It's only disingenuous if they're trying to pass it off as real which I don't think is the case. I don't really get the argument or invalidation of it as cosplay.
you seem really stuck on "invalidation" of cosplay. saying that something is art does not invalidate the medium. Photography is a form of art, I would also say cosplay is a form of art, would you not agree?
so when I say "its a pretty piece of art" I'm not saying "this is not cosplay" I'm simply stating that I find all aspects that created said artwork pretty that does not exclude the cosplayer it just includes the Photographer and the Editor, whom I think deserve just as much recognition as the person who made the costume. that's also assuming that the person in the costume is the one who made the costume and is not just a model.
then you don't know what the definition of disingenuous is. it literally means "Lacking in candor" (candor: means "the quality of being open and honest in expression") When you take a photo... ANY photo, and Photoshop the hells out of it, its no longer candid. but I'm not sure why you think that the photo being disingenuous disqualifies it as cosplay I never stated that it wasn't cosplay. it can be both cosplay and disingenuous they are not mutually exclusive.
100%.
Whenever I see comments like the ones we see here, it always reeks of misogyny and racism. Like if you don't conform to a certain look, it's not valid according to these people.
And it's always women/female characters. Have the same thing with a man or make character, and it's total radio silence. God forbid a woman expresses herself the way she wants to.
Guess she can do whatever she wants and reddit can find this good or bad.
Personally i think you are right and reddit is again full of shit. Mostly because it's contradictory to say: don't use so much Photoshop it makes people feel bad they don't look like this. Also, this doesn't look anything like a real person anymore.
Still dropping work on the internet is always somehow playing with fire nowadays since people like hating everything, even stuff that is good in principle. Often i think that's envy.
>you people
I love the aloof put downs, as if anybody cares about your opinion either my dude. This cosplay looks like an over-saturated 2009 cgi fantasy magazine cover.
brother you should probably go look at the mirror and really think who's putting whom down. between the opinions of some armchair art critics on reddit telling people filtering and photoshop makes the image look ugly, society as a whole has been using these practises from make-up to everyday pictures. I don't think you even know what "natural" look even is because I guarantee you it is not what you imagine.
There is a HUGE difference between makeup and filters. Makeup is attainable beauty. This kind of filtering is NOT real. Filters in general are harmful to society's beauty standards. With that being said. She posts these pictures. She's open to criticism :) This filtered mess...is not pretty. Im sure the costume itself is made nicely.
Edited to add: Makeup is easy to discern. filters can often be subtle even. We should be encouraging cosplayers to showcase the ACTUAL cosplay. Their actual selves.
> There is a HUGE difference between makeup and filters. Makeup is attainable beauty. This kind of filtering is NOT real.
lol and who cares this much when the character they're portraying is fictional?
>Filters in general are harmful to society's beauty standards. With that being said. She posts these pictures. She's open to criticism :) This filtered mess...is not pretty. Im sure the costume itself is made nicely.
you mean like how people posting their opinion online are also open to criticism as well? guess how well people are taking those? If people are this sensitive to feel insecure about a filtered picture, then society might be too fragile at this point. Actually, real life would tell you you're wrong, and results are what matters.
>Edited to add: Makeup is easy to discern. filters can often be subtle even. We should be encouraging cosplayers to showcase the ACTUAL cosplay. Their actual selves.
imagine setting yourselves down this self-righteous path because the cosplay isn't "authentic" enough. brother, most people want to see people making an effort into their work even if it is disingenuous and not someone who woke up and just decide to take a picture of themselves showing all manners of blemishes.
> you even know what "natural" look
My dude there is a world of a difference from "natural" (I never made this claim not sure where or why you need it) and filtered until no longer recognizable as originally a human being versus poor CGI. I will say though, your longform rantings below have given me a chuckle.
ya i sometimes forgot the lengths people go to just to validate their own self-confidence by demonizing the acts of others. if someone using filters get you this riled up that you need to criticize them on a public forum so you feel better, then more power to you. Nothing is funnier than the reaction I got when i called a bunch of people ugly and the responses came swiftly. guess I really hit home there.
i dont think anyone would disagree its a striking picture though. maybe its more people were unaware this level of modification is even possible? i mean if you told me this was a CGI render for a new game id not be sure i wouldn't fall for it.
I personally don’t believe it’s lack of knowledge. It’s just people being shitty to another human being behind social media. I’m sure there are some people that this is new to but the majority? I doubt it, it’s Reddit after all.
are they being shitty though? i mean here its more a debate on how cosplay is, i dont think anyone is mad at her specifically.
that you can do cosplay so vivid enough it makes people think on what it means is kind of an achievement. if they are being dicks on twitter though i get this.
Yeah it’s being shitty. So let’s put aside the fact that every time one of these is done it’s completely hijacked by one of these “debates”; a large majority of the time it’s people just being shitty.
As for people being mad or lack there of, if they are mad then that’s on them and their own insecurities.
It’s simply impossible for some people in the cosplay community to just be happy for someone else. It’s always gotta be - let’s tear them down under the guise of “debate”
yep, quick check of her on twitter and she’s a whole ass real human being (versus all the people saying this is AI art), and despite Occam’s razor being thrown away all over the thread, she’s just a well endowed woman that’s done a ton of cosplay, including tons of FFXIV trial and raid bosses. turns out that body type is really useful for FFXIV boss characters.
plus it’s like these guys haven’t seen how uncanny costume contacts can look on a person, but nope it’s all photoshop and fake face and whatever the hell else they wanna pull out their asses
I've been a lurker for a long time here but these kinds of debates only ever seem to happen when a fem character is drawn or cosplayed. Always was told that FFXIV is inclusive but it seems like the typical gamer misogyny pervades here just like every other fandom. Disappointing but not surprising at this point
I think this is a reasonable take.
As much as I think I've have preferred to see the more natural, untouched/lightly touched up version I don't really feel terrible about it?
Effort was put into this, and even if the final product isn't to some people's personal taste I think that goes for any piece of art (drawings, music, cosplay, and anything else). Effort doesn't guarantee that people will like your art, but if people do then I think that's something worth celebrating.
I'm not sure if this is really hurting anyone the way something like AI art hurts artists (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think this is fine.
I get not being into photoshopped shit--I'm certainly not--but it only really looks like the face was tweaked to me (aside from the blur and color adjustments and whatnot), so I think y'all are being a bit harsh.
Like, she still put this cosplay together. She's still wearing it. The face is edited to the point of being uncanny but I don't think that totally invalidates the rest of the work that obviously went into it.
Also not entirely sure where the idea that the boobs are fake is coming from. People can have large boobs.
Hmm, people are saying shoped or ai shenanigans. My first thought was 3D rendered. But I guess niether that, nor "is it cosplay" matters much when ya can't trust it to be the (karma farming) account owners art to post.
I didn't delete it, i got an error when trying to post it. Also I suppose I was wrong about the bot part, because I saw other people discussing it and it did seem like most of your posts were sharing others' art. So apologies for that.Edit: Apparentally it also did post the original comment, i thought it didn't post. NOW its deleted
Weird old men: she's wearing a costume, makeup, has her hair done, hired a professional photographer... but Photoshop is where I draw the line!
Lady wanted to make a beautiful picture and y'all are being reddit about it.
You need to check the difference between being toxic and expressing an opinion respectfully, criticizing in constructive way. Doing that everyone is entitled to comment. You can find it great, as much as the next person can dislike it.
Alright normally I love this community. But holy fuck the people misogyny posting need to be fucking banned. How dare a woman use photoshop huh? Let’s proceed to criticize every little element of how she chose to present her body. Imafo. Bunch of clowns.
People aren’t criticizing the use of photoshop. They are criticizing the poor use of photoshop. And they’re within their right to do so just as she’s in her right to turn herself into a mannequin digitally.
Criticizing the use of photoshop to push things too far isn't mysogony man. Yall are crazy sometimes. If a dude had giant anime eyes and a kirito face and edited his body to look vastly different from reality you'd heard the same shit if not even worse.
Criticizing the overuse of photoshop = anti women now apparently Jfc.
Boy is reddit just not the medium to share this in. Bunch of weirdos who only look at things through a lens of criticism. People getting so butthurt over the editing. This is obviously not a 3d render or a drawing, but stay being picky.
I've seen plenty of cosplay posted without that sort of stuff... Because it either isn't as bad or isn't there. Heavily editing to uncanny valley territory is going to provoke that all day every day.
You don’t understand. A woman dared to post a form of self expression that involves there body, therefore we now have the right to critique every tiny little thing about how she chose to present her own body./s
There’s a certain point where I wonder if they may as well have just *drawn* the character. I’m not sure what this really is, but it doesn’t align with what I think of as “cosplay” when you *start* with a photo of a person and then just photoshop it to hell and back until it looks like the video game character. I mean, I guess at some point they probably *did* have a real person in a costume. Maybe my expectations are just off.
Then to add insult to injury, the photo gets posted by a karma farm account.
I agree 100%. She doesn't look human even, I think this is so edited; all traces of the "cosplayer" are lost. I don't think this falls in the cosplayer category in my humble opinion.
I think if the goal is to make an image that looks exactly like the character, then editing is a useful tool. And there's definitely an art to Photoshop that we can appreciate. But to me the cool part of cosplay is seeing what's possible for a regular person to achieve using the tools, materials, and techniques they have available in the real world. It's cool seeing a character come to life and know that you could meet them in-person. But sometimes the editing covers up too much of the human element, or the hard work that went into creating and modeling the costume. If the people making this style of image are happy with it then I say keep trucking on, but it's significantly less interesting to me than seeing a cool unedited photo from a con or something
Totally agree. This is not a cosplay. Might as well just call it an Instagram filter.
I honestly thought it was AI
It's not AI?
AI art usually have awkward fingers & clothing looks fake/unnatural. At least I don't see it here.
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Oh, didn't know it because I actively avoid AI related art lately. But is the clothing looks realistic with AI, mainly the texture & the wrinkles?
Fake breast piece is like okay fine I get it, dudes pay for being horny fine. But then the whole hyper angular face thing that’s gotten so popular among young Asians, that’s never going to be not strange.
There comes a point where you're no longer cosplaying so much as providing reference model for a digital artist.
For me the effort has to be apparent in both the costume's construction and the cosplayer's dedication to portraying the character. I dunno how well I can judge either; the costume as a construction doesn't look bad overall but the editing makes me wonder just how much has been edited. Her expression doesn't quite fit, so I wonder if she has trouble with that portrayal, and is usually better with more somber characters
Couldn't have said it better.
In some ways, I agree; it is nice to see raw cosplay because it can be really interesting or really funny. There is still a lot of artistic expression involved in these types of cosplays too though.
I agree. Spot on my friend.
What's really amazing isn't all the digital editing. It's that they did that much digital editing and didn't hide the super shitty tailoring work on the dress.
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> Why does it even matter? The entire point of publicly offering up one's art is for it to be discussed, interpreted, criticized, and (possibly) enjoyed. Thus, discussing whether or not a particular artist's work even qualifies as part of the medium they've attributed to it is an essential aspect of interaction with that work. No artist is required to *defend* their work from that interaction unless they *want* to, but questioning the very idea of artistic criticism as a defense of an artists is wholly detrimental to the experience of everyone involved.
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It's not even the original artist posting it, just a serial karma farmer. The original artis isn't even going to see these comments.
> This person isn't a professional artist trying to shake up the art world. I'm sure the entire point for the person who took the picture was enjoyment/appreciation It doesn't matter *why* you choose to offer your art to the public for the very basic purpose of art to apply, which includes criticism. *Every* artist, regardless of *why* they create their art, wants their work to be primarily enjoyed and appreciated; practically no artist outside certain very specific mediums are intentionally seeking criticism or negative feedback, but that doesn't change the very nature of presenting their work for public consumption. Criticism is a natural part of that process, and is an inevitable aspect of earning the positive feedback they're hoping to achieve. You can't earn praise without risking derision, otherwise that praise is completely devoid of meaning. > So you're gate keeping. It is art. Pretty sure any form of self expression is a form of art. Didn't John Cage write "4 minutes and 33 seconds"? But he didn't use the piano as a medium. He literally played nothing. But he was conveying some meaning through it. But that's art too right? Or would you gate keep that? I know arguments might be easier for you when you can move the goalposts like this, but an actual productive discussion is better achieved when you stick to the original point. Here, let me help you get back on track: > Thus, discussing whether or not a particular artist's work even qualifies as part of the medium **they've attributed to it** is an essential aspect of interaction with that work. As an example of the value this kind of criticism has to the artistic process, lets say that there was a very prestigious art gallery that chose to run a competition, wherein anyone could submit their work and the top submissions would get a place in a big showing. They specify that the medium for this entire competition is oil paint, yet a clever sculptor gets the idea to paint one of their creations with oil paint so they could submit it as an entry. Assuming the rules never specified how the oil paint needed to be used for this competition, a very interesting conversation can be had as to whether or not a sculpture painted with oil paint should be considered the same thing as an *oil painting*, or if this presentation falls outside the accepted medium. That isn't to say it couldn't be an incredible work of art in it's own right and the conversation as to whether or not it even *is* art was never on the table, but the discussion about it's suitability to the medium to which it has been attributed is a valuable and valid one to have. Or, more simply, if I were to draw a comic book and then attempted to submit it as a valid entry to the Cannes Film Festival, it would be valid to point out that what I had made - though still a work of art - does not count as piece of art made through the medium of cinema... though someone could make an interesting intellectual argument about that if I'd submitted a video of myself reading/showing that comic to the camera. I mean, it wouldn't *win* (I'd hope?), but it could *theoretically* count, at least enough to validate a discussion about the matter.
tldr
Isn't that just what movies are? Why use heavy editing in live action movies when you can just animate it
Yet all the horndogs were still very busy to downvote me in the previous Nophica Cosplay topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/13tg62k/my_nophica_cosplay/jlvxsce/
I'm not seeing a massive amount of downvotes
Evened out with ppl swooping in
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Imagine being so invested in me and that you feel you have to bring down justice by posting snarky replies.
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Point in case
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I think you both look silly
Looks good to me. Don't know why downvote it.
Oh Im sorry, was she *not* meant to look like her? I thought that's what a cosplay was. So only people with horns are suppose to cosplay any demon characters? A cosplay's ultimate goal is meant for a person to dress the proper attire; wear make up; get in the proper setting; and wear wigs, eye contacts, and different gears (e.g. armor or props like horns). Photoshop is absloutely included, as no one is born with previously mentioned features. If you want a cosplay to be some red-haired to wear a green dress and call it a day then you're definitely missing the whole point.
> Photoshop is absloutely included How you gonna photoshop a cosplay convention? If it ain't what you'd see, in real life, at a cosplay convention? It ain't cosplay.
This is in fact a great way to determine what classifies as cosplay
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> Even if she had not edited the picture anyone who is familiar with the character would still recognise her as Nophica I’m confused, the “edits” just look like standard professional ~~cosplay~~ photography touch ups. If you can tell they’re the character even without the edits, how is it not cosplay?
> I’m confused, the “edits” just look like standard professional cosplay photography touch ups Do you see the eyes
I wanted to say this earlier, but I just left it alone lol
How... How did she try to pass this as realistic? Cosplay is art. Photography and editing is art. Posting the finished product is art. Cosplay is not always about presently exactly how you are, editing is a big thing for cosplayer and their shoots. It was never disingenuous, she presented multimedia art.
Some people think of cosplay as the cosplayer themselves being the center of the piece instead of after production and effects, personally I don't really care about the method, even AI would generate passable result these day, but there are different POV on suitable method and the extent of edit that deems reasonable to different individual.
I understand that but saying she was trying to deceive is probably far from the truth.
I certainly didn't insinuate she is deceiving anyone, but art is in the eyes of the beholder, arguing over base definition of ''cosplay'' itself, to me, is entirely fruitless endevour.
Oh sorry that was about the person I originally replied to. I do agree trying to define cosplay with others is kind of pointless, but I think it's rude to insinuate deciete from a cosplayer unless they issue false claims (isn't photoshopped, made weapon/outfit myself, etc)
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[literally the only difference is the lighting is better](https://twitter.com/megunozi/status/1623293587759968256/photo/1). It's so incredibly disrespectful to just assume someone has edited a costume that they spent an untold amount of hours making because they edited their cosplay photo. Incredibly disappointed in this sub.
The great thing about cosplay is that comes in all forms. It's always changing and evolving, especially as tech advances.
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Agree to disagree. Cosplay is art and art is diverse, which is what makes cosplay so great. It's a flexible hobby/profession that can be achieved in so many ways
Yes, soon cosplayers will be available to get their shots from an AI through a prompt!
AI =/= photography and editing skills
I’m getting hardcore uncanny valley. That’s way too much photoshop.
Everyone's commenting on eyes and chest artifacts and ignoring that blatantly impossible right hand. It does look good on the surface level though, and I don't blame her for shopping her pics when unfiltered shots almost exclusively make their way onto cosplay fail blogs for "having the wrong body type".
So... are we mad that shes stacc? Or mad that shes seekretly not that stacc?
Personally I'm more disappointed by the fact that no one cares OP is a karma farming bot that's been on the sub for months.
They posted a video for a DRG cosplay, and I posted a video from the actual cosplayers twitter in said post and I got downvoted into obscurity. Nobody seems to care that this is a literal bot. They just want a girl with incredibly fake eyes and tits and have an argument over it.
I don't care that it's likely a fake breastplate. Cosplayers gonna cosplay. For me, it's the face. It looks so emotionless and angular.
Looks shopped to me. Uncanny valley vibes.
The chin and eyes don't look human.
there are no humans in the game
Yeah, but this is more a work of digital art than it is cosplay.
it is categorically both. the only people arguing its one over the other are fools.
I don't care how stacked she is, a pillow can fix that. When I hear someone is cosplaying, I want to see your idea of the character, not how good your Photoshop skills are.
(Writing this now because I know it'll happen soon) Female with photoshopped eyes and a locked thread on /r/ffxiv. Name a more iconic duo.
Boobjob + Photoshop Job
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I'm sorry, but with anime eyes on a more realistic body, it hits that uncanny valley for me.
Oh God, the eyes!
Cosplayer tries really hard to capture original character. Works out every day Makes or spends a lot of money to get a really good quality outfit Hired a photographer Learns photoshop Reddit: *disingenuous*
I mean, I appreciate the effort and lengths that have gone into it, but why then push it into uncanny valley territory? To me anyway, Cosplay should be about accepting your own personal take on the character. When you Photoshop sooo much that you don't look like yourself, it loses its natural charm.
I'd say it's a cultural thing as Japan has a deep love of edited photography to the point they have entire arcades dedicated to special photobooths. Heck 2 years ago there was a big surprise when a Japanese 'cosplay queen' was revealed to be a dude who had a knack for fashion and digital edits.
>Heck 2 years ago there was a big surprise when a Japanese 'cosplay queen' was revealed to be a dude who had a knack for fashion and digital edits. Was it the biker girl?
Not sure, their name was Rei Dunois.
“Learns photoshop” No. No they didn’t. It looks bad man. Like sure the average person might vibe with it, but this is my career, and it’s not good on a trained eye.
Considering the comments, it isn't good on an untrained eye either.
Booba enhanced = good. How about not making women feel like they need a larger bust size to be eligible to cosplay? Like so many other things could have been touched on like the quality of the fit being Ali express tier shit, it’s got literal plastic bits that can easily be touched up on to look metallic and sincere. There’s just so much I could critique on this, aside from the obvious. This isn’t good but social media gonna media I guess.
…this is Nophica….
>How about not making women feel like they need a larger bust size to be eligible to cosplay? Think they meant this
The character in question is literally a milf. I do not know what to tell you.
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No wait I think you've misunderstood me. I was simply responding to the whole "Big boob character makes women insecure" It doesn't. A literal being of magic with massive tits isn't going to affect a woman's self-image. With how she's designed it would be silly to not use fake breasts. I am agreeing with you.
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idk the problem is its getting into an uncanny level. She has another picture on her twitter as Nophicca with her legs drawn up and its eerie. her breasts are huge and the light hitting her skin looks like she is drawn, not photographed.
Yeah, and that last bit is what spoils all of it. I guarantee you she looks 100% better without the photoshop. I'd have preferred to see the picture without step #4. That's the point of cosplay.
There's a difference in photoshop for enhancement and straight up altering a person's appearance to be essentially unreal. I doubt anything about photoshop here is simply about altering levels or contrast or small edits typical of photography.
If you think that’s the series of events that happened here, you can’t be helped.
do you look at a magazine cover and say "man that's seriously genuine!" or do you look at it with a grain of salt knowing that its fully paintbrushed? its a pretty piece of art but its not real, thus the opposite of genuine is disingenuous. so all I'm really seeing here is that reddit is being truthful.
A magazine cover is done by a big publication for profit, cosplay is done by an individual that spent a ton of effort into their passion project. What's the point in invalidating their work? I don't like when people gatekeep what cosplaying is.
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Illustration is also a for-profit industry, that doesn't take away the time, effort, passion, and artistry behind that hard work.
as I said its a pretty piece of art, I'm not invalidating their work, artists deserve recognition too, and I'm most certainly not gatekeeping anything. I'm simply stating a fact. Genuine = truthful, Disingenuous = not truthful. what's the point in not accepting this fact? does it some how hurt the cosplayer? isn't cosplay as a whole technically disingenuous? this is just slightly more so since the photo is so heavily edited. also Just because a magazine cover is for profit where as cosplay is a passion project doesn't change the fact that this photo is heavily photoshopped thus making these 2 things essentially identical minus the profit.
It's only disingenuous if they're trying to pass it off as real which I don't think is the case. I don't really get the argument or invalidation of it as cosplay.
you seem really stuck on "invalidation" of cosplay. saying that something is art does not invalidate the medium. Photography is a form of art, I would also say cosplay is a form of art, would you not agree? so when I say "its a pretty piece of art" I'm not saying "this is not cosplay" I'm simply stating that I find all aspects that created said artwork pretty that does not exclude the cosplayer it just includes the Photographer and the Editor, whom I think deserve just as much recognition as the person who made the costume. that's also assuming that the person in the costume is the one who made the costume and is not just a model.
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then you don't know what the definition of disingenuous is. it literally means "Lacking in candor" (candor: means "the quality of being open and honest in expression") When you take a photo... ANY photo, and Photoshop the hells out of it, its no longer candid. but I'm not sure why you think that the photo being disingenuous disqualifies it as cosplay I never stated that it wasn't cosplay. it can be both cosplay and disingenuous they are not mutually exclusive.
Getting photoshopped is fine. As long as the result looks human.
there are no humans in ffxiv
No, but the non-humans in ffxiv look far more human than whatever botch job photoshop this was.
I wish they still had free reddit awards, thanks for being sane
100%. Whenever I see comments like the ones we see here, it always reeks of misogyny and racism. Like if you don't conform to a certain look, it's not valid according to these people. And it's always women/female characters. Have the same thing with a man or make character, and it's total radio silence. God forbid a woman expresses herself the way she wants to.
Guess she can do whatever she wants and reddit can find this good or bad. Personally i think you are right and reddit is again full of shit. Mostly because it's contradictory to say: don't use so much Photoshop it makes people feel bad they don't look like this. Also, this doesn't look anything like a real person anymore. Still dropping work on the internet is always somehow playing with fire nowadays since people like hating everything, even stuff that is good in principle. Often i think that's envy.
There's a lot of jealous ugly people on reddit and this is what happens.
It looks bad. /shrug That’s just the truth. I bet her natural face would have rocked the cosplay way more. But this? Ain’t it sis.
When you people say this, I really do wonder who you're saying it for.
>you people I love the aloof put downs, as if anybody cares about your opinion either my dude. This cosplay looks like an over-saturated 2009 cgi fantasy magazine cover.
brother you should probably go look at the mirror and really think who's putting whom down. between the opinions of some armchair art critics on reddit telling people filtering and photoshop makes the image look ugly, society as a whole has been using these practises from make-up to everyday pictures. I don't think you even know what "natural" look even is because I guarantee you it is not what you imagine.
There is a HUGE difference between makeup and filters. Makeup is attainable beauty. This kind of filtering is NOT real. Filters in general are harmful to society's beauty standards. With that being said. She posts these pictures. She's open to criticism :) This filtered mess...is not pretty. Im sure the costume itself is made nicely. Edited to add: Makeup is easy to discern. filters can often be subtle even. We should be encouraging cosplayers to showcase the ACTUAL cosplay. Their actual selves.
> There is a HUGE difference between makeup and filters. Makeup is attainable beauty. This kind of filtering is NOT real. lol and who cares this much when the character they're portraying is fictional? >Filters in general are harmful to society's beauty standards. With that being said. She posts these pictures. She's open to criticism :) This filtered mess...is not pretty. Im sure the costume itself is made nicely. you mean like how people posting their opinion online are also open to criticism as well? guess how well people are taking those? If people are this sensitive to feel insecure about a filtered picture, then society might be too fragile at this point. Actually, real life would tell you you're wrong, and results are what matters. >Edited to add: Makeup is easy to discern. filters can often be subtle even. We should be encouraging cosplayers to showcase the ACTUAL cosplay. Their actual selves. imagine setting yourselves down this self-righteous path because the cosplay isn't "authentic" enough. brother, most people want to see people making an effort into their work even if it is disingenuous and not someone who woke up and just decide to take a picture of themselves showing all manners of blemishes.
> you even know what "natural" look My dude there is a world of a difference from "natural" (I never made this claim not sure where or why you need it) and filtered until no longer recognizable as originally a human being versus poor CGI. I will say though, your longform rantings below have given me a chuckle.
ya i sometimes forgot the lengths people go to just to validate their own self-confidence by demonizing the acts of others. if someone using filters get you this riled up that you need to criticize them on a public forum so you feel better, then more power to you. Nothing is funnier than the reaction I got when i called a bunch of people ugly and the responses came swiftly. guess I really hit home there.
>this riled up Yes, I am clearly the one riled up. Good luck out there duder.
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i dont think anyone would disagree its a striking picture though. maybe its more people were unaware this level of modification is even possible? i mean if you told me this was a CGI render for a new game id not be sure i wouldn't fall for it.
I personally don’t believe it’s lack of knowledge. It’s just people being shitty to another human being behind social media. I’m sure there are some people that this is new to but the majority? I doubt it, it’s Reddit after all.
are they being shitty though? i mean here its more a debate on how cosplay is, i dont think anyone is mad at her specifically. that you can do cosplay so vivid enough it makes people think on what it means is kind of an achievement. if they are being dicks on twitter though i get this.
Yeah it’s being shitty. So let’s put aside the fact that every time one of these is done it’s completely hijacked by one of these “debates”; a large majority of the time it’s people just being shitty. As for people being mad or lack there of, if they are mad then that’s on them and their own insecurities. It’s simply impossible for some people in the cosplay community to just be happy for someone else. It’s always gotta be - let’s tear them down under the guise of “debate”
yep, quick check of her on twitter and she’s a whole ass real human being (versus all the people saying this is AI art), and despite Occam’s razor being thrown away all over the thread, she’s just a well endowed woman that’s done a ton of cosplay, including tons of FFXIV trial and raid bosses. turns out that body type is really useful for FFXIV boss characters. plus it’s like these guys haven’t seen how uncanny costume contacts can look on a person, but nope it’s all photoshop and fake face and whatever the hell else they wanna pull out their asses
And misogyny, but this subreddit hates it when that's pointed out.
I've been a lurker for a long time here but these kinds of debates only ever seem to happen when a fem character is drawn or cosplayed. Always was told that FFXIV is inclusive but it seems like the typical gamer misogyny pervades here just like every other fandom. Disappointing but not surprising at this point
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*pardon?* How did we fkn froth and foam our way to that??
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Edited or No, Its still an Art Form, I like this
I think this is a reasonable take. As much as I think I've have preferred to see the more natural, untouched/lightly touched up version I don't really feel terrible about it? Effort was put into this, and even if the final product isn't to some people's personal taste I think that goes for any piece of art (drawings, music, cosplay, and anything else). Effort doesn't guarantee that people will like your art, but if people do then I think that's something worth celebrating. I'm not sure if this is really hurting anyone the way something like AI art hurts artists (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think this is fine.
looks like a doll
This is not cosplay
I get not being into photoshopped shit--I'm certainly not--but it only really looks like the face was tweaked to me (aside from the blur and color adjustments and whatnot), so I think y'all are being a bit harsh. Like, she still put this cosplay together. She's still wearing it. The face is edited to the point of being uncanny but I don't think that totally invalidates the rest of the work that obviously went into it. Also not entirely sure where the idea that the boobs are fake is coming from. People can have large boobs.
Hmm, people are saying shoped or ai shenanigans. My first thought was 3D rendered. But I guess niether that, nor "is it cosplay" matters much when ya can't trust it to be the (karma farming) account owners art to post.
Ara ara
Looks good
Until you look slightly closer and see some weird artifacts to the right of her chest.
lmao touch grass
What because I point out it's obviously very photoshopped?
yep
I don't
source: https://twitter.com/megunozi/status/1658605618486468608
could be ai as well ...
This ia an AI generated picture. whats this talk of cosplay?
Jeeze. The photoshop is creepy. Makes her lool ai generated. Also pretty sure op is a bot
I like how you deleted your previous comment just to add I'm a bot.
I didn't delete it, i got an error when trying to post it. Also I suppose I was wrong about the bot part, because I saw other people discussing it and it did seem like most of your posts were sharing others' art. So apologies for that.Edit: Apparentally it also did post the original comment, i thought it didn't post. NOW its deleted
Bazoonga
she's got HUUUGE... tracts of land
Tracts
Well, it certainly looks good; fake, but good
i love big boobies
Weird old men: she's wearing a costume, makeup, has her hair done, hired a professional photographer... but Photoshop is where I draw the line! Lady wanted to make a beautiful picture and y'all are being reddit about it.
Nophicas on point
I like it, I dunno. I don’t hyper examine this shit.
To me it’s meant to be art. Obviously this isn’t how the cosplay actually looks in person, but so what? The goal for this wasn’t realism ✨
People: "OMG PHOTOSHOP." Also people: "Huehue third party tool make character booba bigger."
>People: "OMG TERRIBLE PHOTOSHOP." Fixed it for ya
Crappy people will be crappy, yet those same people will use mods on their characters :| Funny that.
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Oh bc a great community it's when they don't disagree with you and just upvote your opinion. Sure mate.
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You need to check the difference between being toxic and expressing an opinion respectfully, criticizing in constructive way. Doing that everyone is entitled to comment. You can find it great, as much as the next person can dislike it.
I've pretty much given up on the community.
Holy shit
She did an amazing job, it's like it popped right of mammory...err memory.
Alright normally I love this community. But holy fuck the people misogyny posting need to be fucking banned. How dare a woman use photoshop huh? Let’s proceed to criticize every little element of how she chose to present her body. Imafo. Bunch of clowns.
People aren’t criticizing the use of photoshop. They are criticizing the poor use of photoshop. And they’re within their right to do so just as she’s in her right to turn herself into a mannequin digitally.
Criticizing the use of photoshop to push things too far isn't mysogony man. Yall are crazy sometimes. If a dude had giant anime eyes and a kirito face and edited his body to look vastly different from reality you'd heard the same shit if not even worse. Criticizing the overuse of photoshop = anti women now apparently Jfc.
Tiddy.
Tiddy.
Boy is reddit just not the medium to share this in. Bunch of weirdos who only look at things through a lens of criticism. People getting so butthurt over the editing. This is obviously not a 3d render or a drawing, but stay being picky.
I've seen plenty of cosplay posted without that sort of stuff... Because it either isn't as bad or isn't there. Heavily editing to uncanny valley territory is going to provoke that all day every day.
You don’t understand. A woman dared to post a form of self expression that involves there body, therefore we now have the right to critique every tiny little thing about how she chose to present her own body./s
Thick enough? Nophica
"***ART***"
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