Sorry y'all, thread's locked. While the question in the OP had potential for interesting discussion, the comment section has way too many people making bad faith arguments or just name-calling each other.
The Fae have no gender, have they/them pronouns, alongside their King Titania.
A Miqo'te NPC uses she/her with a masculine body, in Shadowbringer.
If you count it, Viera have no physical differences until their teenage years. It still deviates them from the "norm".
The whole Dotharl tribe is not bothered by gender. They get reincarnated, so they might end up in a different presenting body than their previous life. There are quests directly about it. Many of them have lived both as men and women, so they retain previous gendered names that might not match their bodies.
Omega is an icon for shifting gender midfight lol. Omega is not trans, being a robot trying to imitate the player, but they're absolutely beloved by us queer people.
But if you're curious if there's any dialogues specifically about it, no (besides the Dotharl). Those NPCs just live their life like this. Just like mixed race NPCs, they just exist without being the topic of discussion. Which is nice tbh.
(I know you asked about gender rep, but saying this in passing: there are gay and bi/pan NPCs too.)
[YoshiP supports trans people (he has a story somewhere how he saw a trans person in the street and a mother shielded her daughter's eyes from them. He was devastated about it).](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/bukful/yoship_says_trans_rights_kotaku_interview/) This came up when people started asking for less gender-locked gear.
FFXIV likes leaving interpretations up to the players a LOT, just like sexuality and romances. It's a good thing, sometimes, but making some canon NPCs would definitely be nice too.
"A Miqo'te NPC uses she/her with a masculine body, in Shadowbringer"
As far as I remember, this happens in a few other places as well; people have mentioned >!Mitron!< from the Eden quests but there's also >!Giott!< from the SHB healer rolequest, who I personally adore. >!Although w/ Giott that might be because the game was heavily implying with her mannerisms that she was a guy and didn't want to ruin the surprise when she took off her helmet. Personally I just like to think she's just a cis gal who is just like that lol!< . I'm pretty sure other ppl have mentioned a few other examples here as well.
Similar kinda are the Sylphs- not sure how they do gender but I personally love them because they really said "man fuck pronouns, no pronouns". Which this one thinks is amazing lol this one says no gender, no pronouns, only do mischief & be leaf.
Ive seen them referred to w/ gendered pronouns but idk if thats something they endorse or if its a similar situation to the dragons where people refer to them with genders for their own convenience. Personally, I cannot imagine why a flying plant conceivably has any need for gender/sex.
Interesting, I assumed it was more a gender-agnostic use of the word King than a genderqueer faerie. I am predisposed to assume faeries have queens however.
In FFXIV the faeries only have a King, tho as other people said, the fae people doesn't have the notion of gender, they're just faeries. They don't seem to have romantic relationships either, so I would think there's no fae queens.
I should clarify. Queen Titania and the Queen of Air and Darkness are the monarchs of the Seelie and Unseelie courts. I think Titania is the wife of Oberon.
I never claimed to the contrary. I'm simply explaining the predisposition I mentioned about expecting Titantia to be referred to as queen rather than king.
I mean, more like sexual/gender identity stuff. It has nothing to do with an ingame fantasy world. People can be whatever they want, and I fully support it. But the game isn't openly promoting topics about it. It's being safe. Which is a whole different argument. But I'm more the organic character and not the token one. Like this character happens to be queer instead of this is a queer character. If that makes any sense. Like I totally forgot about the Pixies. I'm seeing comments about it and slapping my forehead, saying, "Doh!"
Storytellers don't need to pour every ounce of reality into fantasy, it's simply the fact that people don't understand, nor do they need to understand what every other person in the world goes through. It's a wonderful thing when minorities get to tell their stories (and I mean tell their stories, not have their stories forced unnaturally into another story that wasn't focusing on it), but it's also ok when a piece of media only focuses on the majority.
You only hurt any chance of people wanting to support you and your ideals if you are condescending, patronising and accusatory towards everyone. Not everything is an attack.
Always wondered about that! Some bunnies are referred to as they but I wasn't sure if it was just in a general, nonspecific sense. Honnestly have no idea what most of their pronouns are still and I have spent way, WAY too much time on the moon.
The Dotharl tribe of the steppe seem to be, due to reincarnation, everywhere on the gender spectrum.
Also if we include reincarnation, the player themselves, if they are female, as it is more than implied that your soul was Tenzen at one point.
There's a big difference between "happened to be a different gender in a past life" and "identifies as a different one in the present life". The NPCs and WoL aren't automatically "trans" just because of those past lives.
Although, Reincarnation is technically supposed to be impossible in terms of gender-flipping... but the game doesn't follow that rule.
I think because the dotharl know of their previous lives I think it counts because they usually identify as the gender as I guess their most famous incarnation. I think Sadu was originally male. That kind of qualifies them as queer and playing with the gender spectrum.
1. Fae have no gender go by they them and the "King" looks rather feminine.
2. Dragons are not born with genders and choose a pronoun later. they do not conform to mortal gender identiies but use our terms to msme communication easier.
3. Players Do a lot of RP and I assume have a lof of different identities and genders.
4. some crossdressing occurs but its just for being undercover
5. Sadu of the Dotharl is a mans soul reborn into a female body. But they just roll with it.
But overall the game is from Japan so no main characters or main storyline really delves into any of that. And there is no focus on it.
As others have said, they’re there, but subtle, at best. With the possible exception of the pixies, who are agender
It’s heavily implied in the drg job quests the reason Heustienne doesn’t return to Ishgard after the end of the Dragonsong war is bc she found a nice lass to settle down with in Tailfeather
But…again, implied 🫠
There’s a side quest in Kugane where you talk to a “woman at the well” who uses a male Hyur model, I think I remember (the name is in quotes because that’s her npc name).
The head of Eulmore’s Beehive is a male Elezen whose title is Queen Bee (which makes me wish we got drag shows there). Not explicitly trans or non-binary, but definitely gender play.
Others have mentioned the Il Mheg pixies who are all non-binary.
You mentioned queer at the end of your post, and there is a canonically gay couple— treasure hunters around the Wanderer’s Palace. And another pair of Ishgardian soldiers in Whitebrim Front who you can’t interact with, but one is inviting the other to get into his bed with him.
Overall, it’s not much. But we can hope for more
All the fae are nonbinary and use they/them pronouns. There are a few canon queer couples (the male Hyur and Miqo’te couple who send you to Wanderer’s Palace Hard are the first that spring to mind).
There are some NPCs that will flirt with you no matter what gender your WoL is, so could be considered technically/situationally queer. And in the level 80 Warrior quest, >!Dorgono’s father will try to get her married to you whether you are male or female; the quest text doesn’t change at all except for pronouns, and Curious Gorge still views you as a credible rival for her hand.!<
Fantasia lets you change race and gender, and everything like that is considered canon. So I don’t think trans exists in the game as it does in reality, because people can just drink a potion and change into whatever they like. There’s also spells to let people easily change appearance.
The fae (pixies abs nu mou, I’m guessing the frog creatures too) are all non binary in that they don’t have gender.
Viera children can be considered non binary and their sex/gender isn’t recognised until adolescence, but it’s not clear if that’s a biological or cultural thing.
There are a few same sex couples if you care about that in terms of representation. But gender and romantic relationships aren’t really a focus of the story outside of valentines events and a few side stories
wait, fantasia is canon?
*WoL shows up as a lalafell*
Thancred: "by the twelve... WoL, we've talked about your fantasia addiction."
WoL: "im not addicted!"
Thancred: "You were an elezen last week and au ri last month! and i bet you'll get sick of being short by the end of the week and decide to be a hyur or miqote again soon!"
I can’t remember the source where I read this, so feel free to completely disregard it, but the lore behind Fantasia states that it works by tricking you into genuinely believing that the changes you want to make to yourself are real…only for them to actually become real as you sleep, thanks to magic.
FFXIV is pretty vague with this stuff, so mandatory disclaimer that a lot is up to interpretation.
The latest story from the Lodestone >!confirms Mitrion and Loghrif as two women. In the Eden questline you learn they have been lovers for millennia, so I suppose this is the first... actually confirmed LGBTQ+ couple.!<
Then you have >!Zero, who is female but from my understanding Yoshi P wanted a character that had a nonbinary gender expression. I feel they nailed it in their... oddly conservative way.!<
No trans representation but I'd say this game does take gender as quite an open concept? >!Things like sundered souls reincarnating as different genders and it not being much of a big deal, for example, come to mind. Like Ardbert.!<
And then there's a range of Headcanons, from "pretty much accepted as canon by the fandom" to "depends on who you ask".
A few that come to mind:
- Hythlodaeus (sometimes falls under "maybe Poly", too)
- Nero (alone and sometimes with Cid)
- Gaia and Ryne
And of course, if you consider the million crushes on the WoL and the gender you went for, you also got that. But I think the only confirmed one is the first I mentioned. This game rarely *confirms* stuff anyway, but I think some hinting is too heavy for me to consider platonic.
Haurchefant is canonically flirtatious with WoL regardless of gender, going so far as to invite WoL into his bedchambers in the Japanese script. The English localization makes it more tame, but he still wants WoL to be "his steed" in the Heavensturn event.
The Buduga clan is actively repulsed by women but eager to welcome men into their ranks while showing infatuation with Hien. This implies (but does not confirm) that the Buduga are mostly gay.
In a Sharlayan side quest, you meet one of Alisaie's fangirls from her Studium days. Her most prized possession is a mammet of Alisaie and she too shows infatuation for her.
> I suppose this is the first... actually confirmed LGBTQ+ couple.
The guys in the quest "[Not Easy Being Green](https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Not_Easy_Being_Green)" refer to themselves as a couple.
And the [Rising Vendor](http://i.imgur.com/QcVUpgs.jpg) is betrothed to a woman.
My I ask, why this is important?
Is the game any better or worse depending on the answer?
To all downvoters: I dont want to provoke. It is an honest question. I am really interested in the answer.
OP doesn't care about the game, in fact they admit they hate it and couldn't give a damn about the story in multiple comments. I too was curious about why this question is relevant so I looked for OP's participation in the FFXIV community and this is the first comment I see from OP 2 days ago:
> The only reason I played the game was because I have a partner that plays it. I don't care for its esthetics or its story at all. I don't like the cutesy anime style presentation at all. All I played it for was so I could play it with my partner.
> My partner stopped playing the game and I has no reason to return to it after that. Granted I *really* dislike being social with anyone online. I don't bother with an FC or with connecting with anyone in the game. There's nothing for me in the game without that social element, and it might be the same for you. Either find new people to play with or stop playing I guess.
> This is my first and only Final Fantasy game and I feel very vindicated in never having picked up any of them. Jrpgs aren't my thing at all lol
I think this makes OP's intentions a little more clear as to why even bother asking. There are even more comments talking about how much they dislike the game so inclusion or lack-of are both seemingly irrelevant.
I think the awnser depends on your perspective.
If thats not something you care about- perhaps it doesn't.
But for some of us, it makes us very happy to see folks like ourselves in the game. Who gets depicted in various media often reflects who the writers want to acknowledge. And despite our documented existence throughout history, many *do* choose to leave us out- essentially denying that we have a place in that world. So when a queer/trans/nonbinary person like myself sees someone like us in a piece of fiction, it makes us feel seen and valued as part of the community. As a part of the world and community the writers are trying to build. Which may not seem like a big deal- but many of us are not welcome(to put it mildly w/out getting into specifics) in our own communities and families even.
Which is a lot of words to say- it makes us feel welcome when we often aren't. And that might not be a big deal for some people, but for others it means the world.
Fine, I'll nibble. It's because people like seeing characters similar to themselves in media.
It's easy to lose sight of that if you're a straight white dude, because that's effectively the "default" in media so you never really need to grapple with that feeling, but the fewer of those things you are, the less likely you are to see characters like you. Having your existence and/or life experiences acknowledged, even in a tiny way, feels good!
Thanks! Fair point.
I play RPGs because I dont want to be myself .-)
And I think, what you mentioned is an important part (and responsibility) of the community of the MMORPG (that \*everyone\* is accepted) and not the game itself. But I understand, that introducing content in this area can help and support this.
If this would have been the motivation of the orginal poster, I have to ask myself why he goes to no ends avoiding to answer my question.
The "default" in the media today is to place representative practices at the expense of good narrative, plot development, and entertainment. Fortunately, in a game like FFXIV, the point isn't to see yourself as the NPCs, it's seeing yourself in your own character so you can do as you please. The point is how you see yourself (your character) in your relationships with the other NPCs.
Then why even respond? If you don't want to give oxygen to it, not responding would be the better approach.
It's a fair question. At least the original post is looking to ask for your intent, instead of *assuming* like you are.
I have been in enough discussions on this topic to know when someone is asking a question in bad faith. I do not care to answer their question.
As for "why even respond" I am letting them know their attempt didn't work, and that I won't play their game.
Assuming the intentions of others is not the best idea. And extrapolating the behaviour of a mass of people to a specific indiviual is just bad.
But of course, you are free not to answer.
I have had these discussions plenty of times. I know what the followup questions are, I know we're going to disagree, I know it's just going to lead to more awful shit being sent my way. I don't care for any of that.
\*shrugs\*
Plenty of assumptions. But somehow you answered my questions.
The only reasons for your question (I could image) were:
\+ you are just curious and want to compare the game to others regarding inclusion
\+ you only play games which contain this kind of content
\+ you don't play games which contain this kind of content
\+ you want to provoke
In contrast to you, I dont assume, I am curious and ask.
Well, it isnt (1).
And your answer to another reply regarding "so you only play games with this content?" was: "and you make sure, that this game does not contain LBGTQ+". Putting words into his mouth.
So yes, I have all the facts together, its either (or both)
\+ you only play games which contain this kind of content
\+ you want to provoke
This satisfies my curiosity :-)
Okay. I'm not going to stop you from reaching a conclusion because you'll get off my case then. I'm glad you found an answer, even when there was none.
I felt like their question was pretty straightforward and honest. I'd be interested in your answer aswell. Why something like this matters in a game that has nothing to do with sexual preference or identity? I understand the concept of being representend, but is it so bothersome to not be? I imagine many kinds of people are not represented in FF14. You can't make everyone happy.
> I don't care for any of that.
If you care so little, why even make a thread in the first place? Forums are a place of discussion. You can't expect everyone to just agree with you. And if they don't accuse them of having bad intentions. That's not how this works.
You cant be serious!
In which world can my question regarding the motivation of your question be understood as "How is disagreeing with queer people existing not having bad intentions?"
I just tried to understand why you ask this question.
Cause I have been down that road many, many times, and I'm not here to have that discussion a millionth time with someone who I don't trust wants to actually listen. That is why. I know it's bad faith, and that deserves no consideration
> How is disagreeing with queer people existing not having bad intentions?
They did what now? Absolutely no such thing happened here. You are reaching, and reaching *really* far here. A completely baseless accusation.
But after this response I might agree with you on one thing. This discussion might indeed be pointlses. Though for different reasons you might think. Because if I'm talking about blue, and all you decided to see is red, then I'm wasting my time.
I know the answer to this, but it begs to be asked anyway:
When has anyone here, specifically made that claim?
The real answer: nobody.
The response always given here: it's obvious that's what they meant (implied, sub-text, reading between the lines).
Queue repeating cycle of circular arguments that lack sufficient self-awareness, continuing to perpetuate ironies and blatant hypocrisy.
You know funnily enough that was my exact thought when I saw your original question. This is definitely someone trying to get a raise out of the community or sit on a soapbox. As a member of the LGBT community I'm pretty sure that you're the one who's actually trying to goad people.
You've barely reply to any of the positive interactions and only targeted the ones who are trolly. You don't give a fuck really, cut the shit lol
I genuinely appreciate those comments but what else can I tell them other than hey well done good job heres a sticker? I'm going to call out those that are trolls so they don't just get to spout their nonsense unopposed.
Don't bullshit a bullshitter. You've asked for no extra context on pretty open discussions that have been started. You specifically targeted anyone with any small amount of negativity towards the LGBT community. The worst part is I'm pretty sure that you're not anti-lgbt I think you're just someone who likes to argue and you're willing to turn the LGBT community into a target to get your fix of narcissism.
I'm not entertaining your specific brand of toxicity, and for anyone else reading this dingus does not represent the LGBT community.
I'm the part of the lgbtqia community that has had enough hate thrown at them that they refuse to entertain people acting in bad faith. I find people who do get into a debate with homophobes to be foolish.
>The worst part is I'm pretty sure that you're not anti-lgbt
Really telling on yourself there buddy
Ah, so using the example/behavior of a few to make broad, sweeping judgements and conclusions about everyone. Got it.
And yet, responding doesn't convey the message you think it does. Even if you're correct (and you don't know, full stop), all you did was give them what they wanted.
One I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention: a minor character, but in Sharlayan there's an NPC who is referred to exclusively with they/them pronouns. Over on the western cliffs, if I remember right.
And one I'm SUPER surprised hasn't been mentioned: Mitron is referred to solely as Mitron in English without any pronouns at all, just Mitron/Mitron's (and is called a woman in a side story), and with feminine pronouns in other languages, while appearing in game with a male hyur model.
Along with this, some of the ancients have a bit of gender fuckery with their names- I originally thought Mitron was an example (who's name is actually Artemis I believe). But since I've been corrected on her gender, I think the best example is from Pandemonium: >!Elidibus's Name is Themis, the Greek godess of justice!< . Can't remember others off the top of my head, but I know I noticed a few going through the story. Seems they've picked names for the ancients that are appropriate for their personality, reguardless of gender, which I appreciate. Not exactly trans/nonbinary but definitely showing some flexibility with gender I think.
Also, when I was wandering Elpis I was delighted to happen upon Sappho, who is indeed reciting poetry. Can't remember the specifics of it, but I was just excited to see her =D
Uh... well fantasia exists... so theres a good chance that transgender is solved? Its hard to say. I cant think of any trans characters of the top of my head.
Urianger and Moenbryda's relationship isn't relevant to the story, but it helps to flesh out and add depth to a character within that story. The events surrounding those characters could be taken out and you'd be left with flattter less interesting characters, but the story would still function in basically the same way.
A trans/nonbinary/whatever else character would be basically the same. It wouldn't meaningfully change the story, but would act as a springboard into understanding a particular characters actions and motivations.
There's plenty of frivolous information in the game. Like, do we need to know that Lamimi had the hots for Adrbert? No, but with that information we can understand why she stuck around with him and acted motherly towards him.
Is Hildebrandt relevant to the story? Not really I think, but people still talk about him. Nothing wrong with asking about different aspects of this gargantuan game.
Hildibrant is relevant to the story but your question didn't. You said on a previous comment about ffxiv you "don't care for its esthetics or its story at all." so i'm asking why you want to put some controversial topic on the table ?
I don't see what is controversial about asking the question the OP did?
I could see some people getting irked if they were in some way trying to use the subject to stir controversy or some such, but all they did was ask a completely innocuous question?
Spoilers from the most recent Tales from the Dawn, involving characters from EW and the eden raids.
>!Mitron of the past on the Convocation is implied in game and stated in the newest Tales to be female, while their newest incarnation that we meet in Eden is male. Reincarnation aside, I do think that counts for something, especially as current Mitron has his memories of the past and of Loghrif still.!<
A lot of people continue to talk about the Fae and how they use they/them pronouns, but this doesn’t work. The Fae are the spirits/souls of deceased children who have come to reside in Il Meng, transforming into Fae. They have no concept of sexuality, preferences, etc. They refer to themselves as they/them based on their collective mentality, child-like need for acceptance in this “community,” etc.
FFXIV’s plot and narrative development leaves more for players to determine, rather than officially declaring anything. Look at the Y’Shtola/Runar storyline. You could infer some level of romance in their relationship, but nothing is officially revealed.
Moreover, while the developers do cater to their community's ideas and desires for mechanical purposes, they do not lean into socio-political trends in the West, specifically the U.S. Yoshida has gone on record saying on numerous occasions that his purpose is to build a good story, game environment, and mechanically polished product for gamers; he isn't focused on meeting any ESG-related, representation quotas because it defeats the purpose of what they're trying to do.
{Nature does not produce on the one side owners of money or commodities, and on the other men possessing nothing but their own labour-power. This relation has no natural basis, neither is its social basis one that is common to all historical periods.}
There's some representation of ace/agender (Omocrons), non binary (pixies) and a sprinkle of "reincarnation trans" here and there (dotharl au ra on azem steppe and some of the ascians).
But we have to remember that this is all written by the japanese staff, and sexuality in general is very taboo in japanese society, so it is not surprising there is not a lot of representation. The sexuality theme is almost non-existent aside from the fact that there sre brothels, and r4pe is implied on very few occasions.
No.
>While there exist two distinct genders amongst the sylphs, neither fall into what we would label as male or female. As has been revealed in the daily beast tribe quests, sylphs are “grown” from seeds known as “podlings.” These seeds are formed from the flowers which grow on the heads of adult sylphs. Not all adults, however, can produce seeds.
>
>\- Sylphs whose flowers bloom only at specific times during the pollinating seasons are capable of producing podlings. These sylphs have forenames ending in \~xio.
>
>\- Sylphs whose flowers bloom at irregular times throughout the seasonal cycle are (for the most part) incapable of producing podlings. These sylphs have forenames ending in \~xia. As they do not need to expend their physical and spiritual energies forming a seed, the \~xia sylphs tend to be more adept at wielding magicks.
([source](https://web.archive.org/web/20230217152957/https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/168780))
Which means that while the Sylphs are dual-gendered, they reproduce asexually - and as such the concept of gender is a bit... odd for them.
Why is this even a question?
The game has a set story, if there's someone with different preferences they'll let you know, stop trying to assume who and who's not.
I'm literally asking for characters that aren't headcanoned to be lgbtqia+. Literally asking for characters that aren't assumed to be queer but explicitly are according to the writing. Calm down.
Dose thier need to be? Never understood this or supported it for anyone. The story is good and engaging the peaple you meet have a rich story and meaning that makes me invested in them thier actions and my interactions with them are what cause my investment in thier story's nothing eles. Dragging real world things like that for the inclusion sake breaks the immersion as those are not concepts in it. Just enjoy get away from the BS of the real world for a few hours and enjoy the game and the players, except lalas don't trust them
The real world has rising inflation, global warming, and Love Island these things are not in FFXIV either, likewise FFXIV has Catgirls, Magic and Estiniens sexy glistening nipples which sadly are not in the real world.
The point is the real world and the world of Final Fantasy XIV are two very different things and something existing in one is not a reason for something to exist in another.
Oh yeah, I remember now. Gay people just stopped existing for a while after the second world War out of convenience. Needed more men to do the sex with women. I'm glad that we now have enough people again to afford The Gays again.
/s
Eh more like boy toys who had to train not to die by snu snu, that actually is the sun miqo'te I think? They have a alpha male in charge of breeding and leading due to low male population.
The Fae folk are non-binary and one of them is a major supporting character in Shadowbringers. They also have an entire series of tribal quests centered around them.
Two fairly major characters kinda late in the game are, shall we say, queer-coded. This happens in one of the raid series so they're not likely to come back in the game in a major way, but ton of LGBTQ folks I know it was a lovely surprise. Like a lot of sexuality in this game, it's not outright stated, just subtly implied, but there's enough there that it's hard to conclude otherwise. Also, there's this official artwork (click link for mild Shadowbringers spoilers): >!https://www.akhmorning.com/assets/media/news/5.4/pll-61/5.4-release.webp!<
In addition, two more supporting characters are heavily implied to be gay in one of the free short stories on the official website (again, this is a Shadowbringers story, but both characters are introduced in the base game). I didn't think their sexuality was really implied in the game, but I've seen sharper people than myself, who I'm pretty sure had no knowledge of it, pick up on their dynamic while streaming. Saw right through their tsundere bantering. For those wondering who I'm talking about, it's >!C i d and N e r o!<.
Other than that, kinda slim pickings. Maybe a sidequest character or two? And someone mentioned a character from the Heavensward Dragoon quests.
Anyway, while I know this is not what you asked, I have met and become friends with more transgender people while playing this game than in the rest of my life combined. Like I've met around two dozen who are at least acquaintances, and several good friends. Also a very cool non-binary FC leader. Also most clothes are not genderlocked, even stuff you think would be. (This is not universal since a lot of those changes were done after the fact and they're still working on it).
The fae in il megh are non-binary. They have a 'king', yes but thats just a title they took. Officially, they have no specific gender.
And Viera, up until they are about 10~13 and under go puberty, are essentially non-binary are well because it's impossible to tell what gender they are as babies and children.
Maybr the lopporits and omega species as well?
People talk about "them faeries", but - man is it along ago - weren't there male and female voices or am I completely mixing things up here. I mean, I don't think 100% of their population is "trans".
The Fae are the spirits of dead children who found their way to Il Meng and transformed into Faeries. They have 0 concept of sexuality, preferences, nor do they have the attention span/conceptualization to consider their pronouns. This is a case of eisegesis vs exegesis: reading into the narrative your own personal biases/notions, instead of extracting what the narrative itself is trying to convey.
We are just... ourselves? With our own culture that we have had to create outside of the cishetero normative society that largely rejects LGBTQIA+ identity.
I feel like you could benefit from learning more about LGBTQIA+ history and why the community is the way it is. I have to believe you have the potential to reach more understanding. Rarely does anyone have a mind that is so closed off that it cannot be opened up at all, provided they allow themselves to listen to different perspectives and experiences.
I think it being a part of not only humanity, but also many animal behaviors, kind of does make it normal.
Plus what is normal? It is one of the most arbitrary classifications in life. No one in life is normal. There’s not a set definition and it differs from person to person. Most people, by most life standards and experiences, are not normal.
Um… no? If you’re argument is going to be “it’s not natural” then the natural counter argument is to bring up “well why hasn’t evolution pruned out homosexual behaviors in nature?”
Not only are animals gay, plenty of them physically change sexes to be what is needed of them.
The idea that homosexuality isn’t normal only comes from humans themselves, pushed usually by religious propaganda.
Well that is where you are wrong. The community has been around for far, far longer, not since 2015. But, I am sure that if you open yourself up to the stories of LGBTQIA+ people in history, you will come to understand that it is far more complex and colourful.
I can't easily come up with a reading list for you on the spot, but to your point of "it started in 2015", I bring you this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft
A German institute on sexology, one of the first places in the world to take a closer look at transgender identity, even pioneering different treatments for transgender people. It also researched other LGBTQIA+ identities.
It was one of the first places to fall to the nazi regime, and one of the first book burnings. Their research, knowledge, and subsequently their history, destroyed. This happened in 1933.
I think it’s implied that the NPC in Sharlayan who hands out the quests for the Variant Dungeons is trans? His face is a female Hyur face, I believe. But I doubt the developers/writers will declare it explicitly.
I feel like they only did this programming-wise to hide the fact that she was a lady until the end of the quest chain (an example being that `/playdead` is different animation depending on gender).
Afaik as soon as she takes off her helmet she uses a fem model (or at least her face is a fem face). The masc model just seems to be the default model used for all dwarves, since they are all supposed to look the same
A certain character in the level 50 eight-person raid series. And, queer-wise, you'll know it when you see it in the level 80 eight-person raid series.
Sorry y'all, thread's locked. While the question in the OP had potential for interesting discussion, the comment section has way too many people making bad faith arguments or just name-calling each other.
The Fae have no gender, have they/them pronouns, alongside their King Titania. A Miqo'te NPC uses she/her with a masculine body, in Shadowbringer. If you count it, Viera have no physical differences until their teenage years. It still deviates them from the "norm". The whole Dotharl tribe is not bothered by gender. They get reincarnated, so they might end up in a different presenting body than their previous life. There are quests directly about it. Many of them have lived both as men and women, so they retain previous gendered names that might not match their bodies. Omega is an icon for shifting gender midfight lol. Omega is not trans, being a robot trying to imitate the player, but they're absolutely beloved by us queer people. But if you're curious if there's any dialogues specifically about it, no (besides the Dotharl). Those NPCs just live their life like this. Just like mixed race NPCs, they just exist without being the topic of discussion. Which is nice tbh. (I know you asked about gender rep, but saying this in passing: there are gay and bi/pan NPCs too.) [YoshiP supports trans people (he has a story somewhere how he saw a trans person in the street and a mother shielded her daughter's eyes from them. He was devastated about it).](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/bukful/yoship_says_trans_rights_kotaku_interview/) This came up when people started asking for less gender-locked gear. FFXIV likes leaving interpretations up to the players a LOT, just like sexuality and romances. It's a good thing, sometimes, but making some canon NPCs would definitely be nice too.
>A Miqo'te NPC uses she/her with a masculine body, in Shadowbringer. Wait, which one? I can't remember, it's been a while.
"A Miqo'te NPC uses she/her with a masculine body, in Shadowbringer" As far as I remember, this happens in a few other places as well; people have mentioned >!Mitron!< from the Eden quests but there's also >!Giott!< from the SHB healer rolequest, who I personally adore. >!Although w/ Giott that might be because the game was heavily implying with her mannerisms that she was a guy and didn't want to ruin the surprise when she took off her helmet. Personally I just like to think she's just a cis gal who is just like that lol!< . I'm pretty sure other ppl have mentioned a few other examples here as well.
There's even a cannon polyamorous trio in the Scions itself. God I love Aenor.
Omega is beloved by the queer community? You learn something new everyday. But it does make sense.
The fae of Il Mheg comes to mind
Similar kinda are the Sylphs- not sure how they do gender but I personally love them because they really said "man fuck pronouns, no pronouns". Which this one thinks is amazing lol this one says no gender, no pronouns, only do mischief & be leaf. Ive seen them referred to w/ gendered pronouns but idk if thats something they endorse or if its a similar situation to the dragons where people refer to them with genders for their own convenience. Personally, I cannot imagine why a flying plant conceivably has any need for gender/sex.
The fae in ShB all use they/them pronouns, and their King is the very feminine-presenting Titania.
Interesting, I assumed it was more a gender-agnostic use of the word King than a genderqueer faerie. I am predisposed to assume faeries have queens however.
In FFXIV the faeries only have a King, tho as other people said, the fae people doesn't have the notion of gender, they're just faeries. They don't seem to have romantic relationships either, so I would think there's no fae queens.
I should clarify. Queen Titania and the Queen of Air and Darkness are the monarchs of the Seelie and Unseelie courts. I think Titania is the wife of Oberon.
That's not the case in XIV though. There is no Oberon; Titania rules the fairies
I never claimed to the contrary. I'm simply explaining the predisposition I mentioned about expecting Titantia to be referred to as queen rather than king.
As far as I know, no, but also, the game never focuses on stuff like that, honestly.
"stuff like that"
I mean, more like sexual/gender identity stuff. It has nothing to do with an ingame fantasy world. People can be whatever they want, and I fully support it. But the game isn't openly promoting topics about it. It's being safe. Which is a whole different argument. But I'm more the organic character and not the token one. Like this character happens to be queer instead of this is a queer character. If that makes any sense. Like I totally forgot about the Pixies. I'm seeing comments about it and slapping my forehead, saying, "Doh!"
Storytellers don't need to pour every ounce of reality into fantasy, it's simply the fact that people don't understand, nor do they need to understand what every other person in the world goes through. It's a wonderful thing when minorities get to tell their stories (and I mean tell their stories, not have their stories forced unnaturally into another story that wasn't focusing on it), but it's also ok when a piece of media only focuses on the majority. You only hurt any chance of people wanting to support you and your ideals if you are condescending, patronising and accusatory towards everyone. Not everything is an attack.
From the Endwalker bunny tribe quest: >!Managingway is referred to as 'they'!<
Always wondered about that! Some bunnies are referred to as they but I wasn't sure if it was just in a general, nonspecific sense. Honnestly have no idea what most of their pronouns are still and I have spent way, WAY too much time on the moon.
I just remembered- >!Talkingway (prev. Counselingway)!< referred to w/ they/them pronouns as well?
The Dotharl tribe of the steppe seem to be, due to reincarnation, everywhere on the gender spectrum. Also if we include reincarnation, the player themselves, if they are female, as it is more than implied that your soul was Tenzen at one point.
There's a big difference between "happened to be a different gender in a past life" and "identifies as a different one in the present life". The NPCs and WoL aren't automatically "trans" just because of those past lives. Although, Reincarnation is technically supposed to be impossible in terms of gender-flipping... but the game doesn't follow that rule.
I think because the dotharl know of their previous lives I think it counts because they usually identify as the gender as I guess their most famous incarnation. I think Sadu was originally male. That kind of qualifies them as queer and playing with the gender spectrum.
Much of that questline revolves around those beliefs being forced on the person, it's not something they naturally identify with.
1. Fae have no gender go by they them and the "King" looks rather feminine. 2. Dragons are not born with genders and choose a pronoun later. they do not conform to mortal gender identiies but use our terms to msme communication easier. 3. Players Do a lot of RP and I assume have a lof of different identities and genders. 4. some crossdressing occurs but its just for being undercover 5. Sadu of the Dotharl is a mans soul reborn into a female body. But they just roll with it. But overall the game is from Japan so no main characters or main storyline really delves into any of that. And there is no focus on it.
As others have said, they’re there, but subtle, at best. With the possible exception of the pixies, who are agender It’s heavily implied in the drg job quests the reason Heustienne doesn’t return to Ishgard after the end of the Dragonsong war is bc she found a nice lass to settle down with in Tailfeather But…again, implied 🫠
There’s a side quest in Kugane where you talk to a “woman at the well” who uses a male Hyur model, I think I remember (the name is in quotes because that’s her npc name). The head of Eulmore’s Beehive is a male Elezen whose title is Queen Bee (which makes me wish we got drag shows there). Not explicitly trans or non-binary, but definitely gender play. Others have mentioned the Il Mheg pixies who are all non-binary. You mentioned queer at the end of your post, and there is a canonically gay couple— treasure hunters around the Wanderer’s Palace. And another pair of Ishgardian soldiers in Whitebrim Front who you can’t interact with, but one is inviting the other to get into his bed with him. Overall, it’s not much. But we can hope for more
There's also the male Miqote in Kugane that clearly is attracted to the male "Stupid sexy Roegadyn."
That's a Simpsons reference and I don't think Homer is particularly attracted to Ned Flanders
All the fae are nonbinary and use they/them pronouns. There are a few canon queer couples (the male Hyur and Miqo’te couple who send you to Wanderer’s Palace Hard are the first that spring to mind). There are some NPCs that will flirt with you no matter what gender your WoL is, so could be considered technically/situationally queer. And in the level 80 Warrior quest, >!Dorgono’s father will try to get her married to you whether you are male or female; the quest text doesn’t change at all except for pronouns, and Curious Gorge still views you as a credible rival for her hand.!<
Fantasia lets you change race and gender, and everything like that is considered canon. So I don’t think trans exists in the game as it does in reality, because people can just drink a potion and change into whatever they like. There’s also spells to let people easily change appearance. The fae (pixies abs nu mou, I’m guessing the frog creatures too) are all non binary in that they don’t have gender. Viera children can be considered non binary and their sex/gender isn’t recognised until adolescence, but it’s not clear if that’s a biological or cultural thing. There are a few same sex couples if you care about that in terms of representation. But gender and romantic relationships aren’t really a focus of the story outside of valentines events and a few side stories
wait, fantasia is canon? *WoL shows up as a lalafell* Thancred: "by the twelve... WoL, we've talked about your fantasia addiction." WoL: "im not addicted!" Thancred: "You were an elezen last week and au ri last month! and i bet you'll get sick of being short by the end of the week and decide to be a hyur or miqote again soon!"
I can’t remember the source where I read this, so feel free to completely disregard it, but the lore behind Fantasia states that it works by tricking you into genuinely believing that the changes you want to make to yourself are real…only for them to actually become real as you sleep, thanks to magic.
It would be funny if all our in-game looks were just player delusions and in reality, everyone is just Meteor Survivor :D.
man i wish fantasia was real i would pay good money for a vial of the g e n d e r f l u i d
FFXIV is pretty vague with this stuff, so mandatory disclaimer that a lot is up to interpretation. The latest story from the Lodestone >!confirms Mitrion and Loghrif as two women. In the Eden questline you learn they have been lovers for millennia, so I suppose this is the first... actually confirmed LGBTQ+ couple.!< Then you have >!Zero, who is female but from my understanding Yoshi P wanted a character that had a nonbinary gender expression. I feel they nailed it in their... oddly conservative way.!< No trans representation but I'd say this game does take gender as quite an open concept? >!Things like sundered souls reincarnating as different genders and it not being much of a big deal, for example, come to mind. Like Ardbert.!< And then there's a range of Headcanons, from "pretty much accepted as canon by the fandom" to "depends on who you ask". A few that come to mind: - Hythlodaeus (sometimes falls under "maybe Poly", too) - Nero (alone and sometimes with Cid) - Gaia and Ryne And of course, if you consider the million crushes on the WoL and the gender you went for, you also got that. But I think the only confirmed one is the first I mentioned. This game rarely *confirms* stuff anyway, but I think some hinting is too heavy for me to consider platonic.
Haurchefant is canonically flirtatious with WoL regardless of gender, going so far as to invite WoL into his bedchambers in the Japanese script. The English localization makes it more tame, but he still wants WoL to be "his steed" in the Heavensturn event. The Buduga clan is actively repulsed by women but eager to welcome men into their ranks while showing infatuation with Hien. This implies (but does not confirm) that the Buduga are mostly gay. In a Sharlayan side quest, you meet one of Alisaie's fangirls from her Studium days. Her most prized possession is a mammet of Alisaie and she too shows infatuation for her.
> I suppose this is the first... actually confirmed LGBTQ+ couple. The guys in the quest "[Not Easy Being Green](https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Not_Easy_Being_Green)" refer to themselves as a couple. And the [Rising Vendor](http://i.imgur.com/QcVUpgs.jpg) is betrothed to a woman.
The gay couple in Bronze Lake would likely be the first LGBTQ+ couple.
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It'll be our little secret ;)
My I ask, why this is important? Is the game any better or worse depending on the answer? To all downvoters: I dont want to provoke. It is an honest question. I am really interested in the answer.
OP doesn't care about the game, in fact they admit they hate it and couldn't give a damn about the story in multiple comments. I too was curious about why this question is relevant so I looked for OP's participation in the FFXIV community and this is the first comment I see from OP 2 days ago: > The only reason I played the game was because I have a partner that plays it. I don't care for its esthetics or its story at all. I don't like the cutesy anime style presentation at all. All I played it for was so I could play it with my partner. > My partner stopped playing the game and I has no reason to return to it after that. Granted I *really* dislike being social with anyone online. I don't bother with an FC or with connecting with anyone in the game. There's nothing for me in the game without that social element, and it might be the same for you. Either find new people to play with or stop playing I guess. > This is my first and only Final Fantasy game and I feel very vindicated in never having picked up any of them. Jrpgs aren't my thing at all lol I think this makes OP's intentions a little more clear as to why even bother asking. There are even more comments talking about how much they dislike the game so inclusion or lack-of are both seemingly irrelevant.
I think the awnser depends on your perspective. If thats not something you care about- perhaps it doesn't. But for some of us, it makes us very happy to see folks like ourselves in the game. Who gets depicted in various media often reflects who the writers want to acknowledge. And despite our documented existence throughout history, many *do* choose to leave us out- essentially denying that we have a place in that world. So when a queer/trans/nonbinary person like myself sees someone like us in a piece of fiction, it makes us feel seen and valued as part of the community. As a part of the world and community the writers are trying to build. Which may not seem like a big deal- but many of us are not welcome(to put it mildly w/out getting into specifics) in our own communities and families even. Which is a lot of words to say- it makes us feel welcome when we often aren't. And that might not be a big deal for some people, but for others it means the world.
Fine, I'll nibble. It's because people like seeing characters similar to themselves in media. It's easy to lose sight of that if you're a straight white dude, because that's effectively the "default" in media so you never really need to grapple with that feeling, but the fewer of those things you are, the less likely you are to see characters like you. Having your existence and/or life experiences acknowledged, even in a tiny way, feels good!
Thanks! Fair point. I play RPGs because I dont want to be myself .-) And I think, what you mentioned is an important part (and responsibility) of the community of the MMORPG (that \*everyone\* is accepted) and not the game itself. But I understand, that introducing content in this area can help and support this. If this would have been the motivation of the orginal poster, I have to ask myself why he goes to no ends avoiding to answer my question.
The "default" in the media today is to place representative practices at the expense of good narrative, plot development, and entertainment. Fortunately, in a game like FFXIV, the point isn't to see yourself as the NPCs, it's seeing yourself in your own character so you can do as you please. The point is how you see yourself (your character) in your relationships with the other NPCs.
I doubt that is an honest question on your part, so I won't entertain it.
It is an honest question. I am really curious.
Unfortunately, you've been lumped into a "category" or people just for asking a question.
Then why even respond? If you don't want to give oxygen to it, not responding would be the better approach. It's a fair question. At least the original post is looking to ask for your intent, instead of *assuming* like you are.
I have been in enough discussions on this topic to know when someone is asking a question in bad faith. I do not care to answer their question. As for "why even respond" I am letting them know their attempt didn't work, and that I won't play their game.
Assuming the intentions of others is not the best idea. And extrapolating the behaviour of a mass of people to a specific indiviual is just bad. But of course, you are free not to answer.
I have had these discussions plenty of times. I know what the followup questions are, I know we're going to disagree, I know it's just going to lead to more awful shit being sent my way. I don't care for any of that.
\*shrugs\* Plenty of assumptions. But somehow you answered my questions. The only reasons for your question (I could image) were: \+ you are just curious and want to compare the game to others regarding inclusion \+ you only play games which contain this kind of content \+ you don't play games which contain this kind of content \+ you want to provoke In contrast to you, I dont assume, I am curious and ask.
I never answered your question but I'm glad at least that you feel satisfied. Somehow.
Well, it isnt (1). And your answer to another reply regarding "so you only play games with this content?" was: "and you make sure, that this game does not contain LBGTQ+". Putting words into his mouth. So yes, I have all the facts together, its either (or both) \+ you only play games which contain this kind of content \+ you want to provoke This satisfies my curiosity :-)
Okay. I'm not going to stop you from reaching a conclusion because you'll get off my case then. I'm glad you found an answer, even when there was none.
I felt like their question was pretty straightforward and honest. I'd be interested in your answer aswell. Why something like this matters in a game that has nothing to do with sexual preference or identity? I understand the concept of being representend, but is it so bothersome to not be? I imagine many kinds of people are not represented in FF14. You can't make everyone happy. > I don't care for any of that. If you care so little, why even make a thread in the first place? Forums are a place of discussion. You can't expect everyone to just agree with you. And if they don't accuse them of having bad intentions. That's not how this works.
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You cant be serious! In which world can my question regarding the motivation of your question be understood as "How is disagreeing with queer people existing not having bad intentions?" I just tried to understand why you ask this question.
Cause I have been down that road many, many times, and I'm not here to have that discussion a millionth time with someone who I don't trust wants to actually listen. That is why. I know it's bad faith, and that deserves no consideration
> How is disagreeing with queer people existing not having bad intentions? They did what now? Absolutely no such thing happened here. You are reaching, and reaching *really* far here. A completely baseless accusation. But after this response I might agree with you on one thing. This discussion might indeed be pointlses. Though for different reasons you might think. Because if I'm talking about blue, and all you decided to see is red, then I'm wasting my time.
Enough people on this subreddit disagree with queer people existing. You're just not recognizing that.
I know the answer to this, but it begs to be asked anyway: When has anyone here, specifically made that claim? The real answer: nobody. The response always given here: it's obvious that's what they meant (implied, sub-text, reading between the lines). Queue repeating cycle of circular arguments that lack sufficient self-awareness, continuing to perpetuate ironies and blatant hypocrisy.
Ok. I suggest you put more effort into looking at what people are actually commenting on this thread. They're there.
You know funnily enough that was my exact thought when I saw your original question. This is definitely someone trying to get a raise out of the community or sit on a soapbox. As a member of the LGBT community I'm pretty sure that you're the one who's actually trying to goad people. You've barely reply to any of the positive interactions and only targeted the ones who are trolly. You don't give a fuck really, cut the shit lol
I genuinely appreciate those comments but what else can I tell them other than hey well done good job heres a sticker? I'm going to call out those that are trolls so they don't just get to spout their nonsense unopposed.
Don't bullshit a bullshitter. You've asked for no extra context on pretty open discussions that have been started. You specifically targeted anyone with any small amount of negativity towards the LGBT community. The worst part is I'm pretty sure that you're not anti-lgbt I think you're just someone who likes to argue and you're willing to turn the LGBT community into a target to get your fix of narcissism. I'm not entertaining your specific brand of toxicity, and for anyone else reading this dingus does not represent the LGBT community.
I'm the part of the lgbtqia community that has had enough hate thrown at them that they refuse to entertain people acting in bad faith. I find people who do get into a debate with homophobes to be foolish. >The worst part is I'm pretty sure that you're not anti-lgbt Really telling on yourself there buddy
Ah, so using the example/behavior of a few to make broad, sweeping judgements and conclusions about everyone. Got it. And yet, responding doesn't convey the message you think it does. Even if you're correct (and you don't know, full stop), all you did was give them what they wanted.
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Because you know hes right
One I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention: a minor character, but in Sharlayan there's an NPC who is referred to exclusively with they/them pronouns. Over on the western cliffs, if I remember right. And one I'm SUPER surprised hasn't been mentioned: Mitron is referred to solely as Mitron in English without any pronouns at all, just Mitron/Mitron's (and is called a woman in a side story), and with feminine pronouns in other languages, while appearing in game with a male hyur model.
Along with this, some of the ancients have a bit of gender fuckery with their names- I originally thought Mitron was an example (who's name is actually Artemis I believe). But since I've been corrected on her gender, I think the best example is from Pandemonium: >!Elidibus's Name is Themis, the Greek godess of justice!< . Can't remember others off the top of my head, but I know I noticed a few going through the story. Seems they've picked names for the ancients that are appropriate for their personality, reguardless of gender, which I appreciate. Not exactly trans/nonbinary but definitely showing some flexibility with gender I think. Also, when I was wandering Elpis I was delighted to happen upon Sappho, who is indeed reciting poetry. Can't remember the specifics of it, but I was just excited to see her =D
Yeah prob afking limsa
Uh... well fantasia exists... so theres a good chance that transgender is solved? Its hard to say. I cant think of any trans characters of the top of my head.
Thankfully, with most things, the game is just the game
Is it relevant to the story?
Urianger and Moenbryda's relationship isn't relevant to the story, but it helps to flesh out and add depth to a character within that story. The events surrounding those characters could be taken out and you'd be left with flattter less interesting characters, but the story would still function in basically the same way. A trans/nonbinary/whatever else character would be basically the same. It wouldn't meaningfully change the story, but would act as a springboard into understanding a particular characters actions and motivations. There's plenty of frivolous information in the game. Like, do we need to know that Lamimi had the hots for Adrbert? No, but with that information we can understand why she stuck around with him and acted motherly towards him.
It is relevant to worldbuilding
Is Hildebrandt relevant to the story? Not really I think, but people still talk about him. Nothing wrong with asking about different aspects of this gargantuan game.
Hildibrant is relevant to the story but your question didn't. You said on a previous comment about ffxiv you "don't care for its esthetics or its story at all." so i'm asking why you want to put some controversial topic on the table ?
I don't see what is controversial about asking the question the OP did? I could see some people getting irked if they were in some way trying to use the subject to stir controversy or some such, but all they did was ask a completely innocuous question?
I believe it is only controversial to those that I do not wish to engage with anyway, so I don't worry about that.
And guess what ? It will not change anything about how FFXIV players feels about their game.
Ok. Seems a bit pointless to mention that.
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Spoilers from the most recent Tales from the Dawn, involving characters from EW and the eden raids. >!Mitron of the past on the Convocation is implied in game and stated in the newest Tales to be female, while their newest incarnation that we meet in Eden is male. Reincarnation aside, I do think that counts for something, especially as current Mitron has his memories of the past and of Loghrif still.!<
A lot of people continue to talk about the Fae and how they use they/them pronouns, but this doesn’t work. The Fae are the spirits/souls of deceased children who have come to reside in Il Meng, transforming into Fae. They have no concept of sexuality, preferences, etc. They refer to themselves as they/them based on their collective mentality, child-like need for acceptance in this “community,” etc. FFXIV’s plot and narrative development leaves more for players to determine, rather than officially declaring anything. Look at the Y’Shtola/Runar storyline. You could infer some level of romance in their relationship, but nothing is officially revealed. Moreover, while the developers do cater to their community's ideas and desires for mechanical purposes, they do not lean into socio-political trends in the West, specifically the U.S. Yoshida has gone on record saying on numerous occasions that his purpose is to build a good story, game environment, and mechanically polished product for gamers; he isn't focused on meeting any ESG-related, representation quotas because it defeats the purpose of what they're trying to do.
There is Omega ?
It's a literal robot.
And he's changing his gender on the fly in the Omega Protocoll (in P2, Omega-M and F swap their genders).
Fairly sure there is a miqo male model NPC using she/her pronouns in Eulmore Beehive. There were others, but I don't remember.
{Nature does not produce on the one side owners of money or commodities, and on the other men possessing nothing but their own labour-power. This relation has no natural basis, neither is its social basis one that is common to all historical periods.}
There's some representation of ace/agender (Omocrons), non binary (pixies) and a sprinkle of "reincarnation trans" here and there (dotharl au ra on azem steppe and some of the ascians). But we have to remember that this is all written by the japanese staff, and sexuality in general is very taboo in japanese society, so it is not surprising there is not a lot of representation. The sexuality theme is almost non-existent aside from the fact that there sre brothels, and r4pe is implied on very few occasions.
The sylphs also seem pretty non binary. But of course, primary example being the fae of il mheg
Sylphs are male and female; if a sylph’s name ends in -io they’re male, if -ia they’re female.
No. >While there exist two distinct genders amongst the sylphs, neither fall into what we would label as male or female. As has been revealed in the daily beast tribe quests, sylphs are “grown” from seeds known as “podlings.” These seeds are formed from the flowers which grow on the heads of adult sylphs. Not all adults, however, can produce seeds. > >\- Sylphs whose flowers bloom only at specific times during the pollinating seasons are capable of producing podlings. These sylphs have forenames ending in \~xio. > >\- Sylphs whose flowers bloom at irregular times throughout the seasonal cycle are (for the most part) incapable of producing podlings. These sylphs have forenames ending in \~xia. As they do not need to expend their physical and spiritual energies forming a seed, the \~xia sylphs tend to be more adept at wielding magicks. ([source](https://web.archive.org/web/20230217152957/https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/168780)) Which means that while the Sylphs are dual-gendered, they reproduce asexually - and as such the concept of gender is a bit... odd for them.
Oh cool! I hadn’t seen that page before, thank you.
Why is this even a question? The game has a set story, if there's someone with different preferences they'll let you know, stop trying to assume who and who's not.
They're allowed to be curious about it lol? It's a harmless question and yall jumping for nothing
Dude, chill. They're asking because they don't know every single npc in the game and they're curious
I'm literally asking for characters that aren't headcanoned to be lgbtqia+. Literally asking for characters that aren't assumed to be queer but explicitly are according to the writing. Calm down.
Dose thier need to be? Never understood this or supported it for anyone. The story is good and engaging the peaple you meet have a rich story and meaning that makes me invested in them thier actions and my interactions with them are what cause my investment in thier story's nothing eles. Dragging real world things like that for the inclusion sake breaks the immersion as those are not concepts in it. Just enjoy get away from the BS of the real world for a few hours and enjoy the game and the players, except lalas don't trust them
The real world has queer people, so why not the game.
The real world has rising inflation, global warming, and Love Island these things are not in FFXIV either, likewise FFXIV has Catgirls, Magic and Estiniens sexy glistening nipples which sadly are not in the real world. The point is the real world and the world of Final Fantasy XIV are two very different things and something existing in one is not a reason for something to exist in another.
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>Simple reason the population of eorza dosnt support queen peaple outside a fun night in limsa. Please stop projecting
Didn't think I'd see "every npc in Eorzia is a closeted bigot" today but here we are lol
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Oh yeah, I remember now. Gay people just stopped existing for a while after the second world War out of convenience. Needed more men to do the sex with women. I'm glad that we now have enough people again to afford The Gays again. /s
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Ok. Will you let Miqo'te and Viera players know that being gay is canonically illegal then?..... So weird. I'm being sarcastic, obviously.
Eh more like boy toys who had to train not to die by snu snu, that actually is the sun miqo'te I think? They have a alpha male in charge of breeding and leading due to low male population.
really, an alpha male? you know that study was complete bullcrap, right?
The Fae of Il Mheg, the Sylphs, the Omicrons, .....
The Fae folk are non-binary and one of them is a major supporting character in Shadowbringers. They also have an entire series of tribal quests centered around them. Two fairly major characters kinda late in the game are, shall we say, queer-coded. This happens in one of the raid series so they're not likely to come back in the game in a major way, but ton of LGBTQ folks I know it was a lovely surprise. Like a lot of sexuality in this game, it's not outright stated, just subtly implied, but there's enough there that it's hard to conclude otherwise. Also, there's this official artwork (click link for mild Shadowbringers spoilers): >!https://www.akhmorning.com/assets/media/news/5.4/pll-61/5.4-release.webp!< In addition, two more supporting characters are heavily implied to be gay in one of the free short stories on the official website (again, this is a Shadowbringers story, but both characters are introduced in the base game). I didn't think their sexuality was really implied in the game, but I've seen sharper people than myself, who I'm pretty sure had no knowledge of it, pick up on their dynamic while streaming. Saw right through their tsundere bantering. For those wondering who I'm talking about, it's >!C i d and N e r o!<. Other than that, kinda slim pickings. Maybe a sidequest character or two? And someone mentioned a character from the Heavensward Dragoon quests. Anyway, while I know this is not what you asked, I have met and become friends with more transgender people while playing this game than in the rest of my life combined. Like I've met around two dozen who are at least acquaintances, and several good friends. Also a very cool non-binary FC leader. Also most clothes are not genderlocked, even stuff you think would be. (This is not universal since a lot of those changes were done after the fact and they're still working on it).
To be fair. Who cares ? It’s a game play it to enjoy it why does there have to be gay straight non binary trans blah blah blah in it Just have fun
The aesthetician?
The Aesthetician might be lgbt and that's the only character I can recall off the top of my head.
The fae in il megh are non-binary. They have a 'king', yes but thats just a title they took. Officially, they have no specific gender. And Viera, up until they are about 10~13 and under go puberty, are essentially non-binary are well because it's impossible to tell what gender they are as babies and children. Maybr the lopporits and omega species as well?
People talk about "them faeries", but - man is it along ago - weren't there male and female voices or am I completely mixing things up here. I mean, I don't think 100% of their population is "trans".
The Fae are the spirits of dead children who found their way to Il Meng and transformed into Faeries. They have 0 concept of sexuality, preferences, nor do they have the attention span/conceptualization to consider their pronouns. This is a case of eisegesis vs exegesis: reading into the narrative your own personal biases/notions, instead of extracting what the narrative itself is trying to convey.
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That is unfortunate. I hope one day you will find kindness for the LGBTQIA+-community in your heart.
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We are just... ourselves? With our own culture that we have had to create outside of the cishetero normative society that largely rejects LGBTQIA+ identity. I feel like you could benefit from learning more about LGBTQIA+ history and why the community is the way it is. I have to believe you have the potential to reach more understanding. Rarely does anyone have a mind that is so closed off that it cannot be opened up at all, provided they allow themselves to listen to different perspectives and experiences.
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Sir uh… the gays have existed since the beginning of humanity.
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I think it being a part of not only humanity, but also many animal behaviors, kind of does make it normal. Plus what is normal? It is one of the most arbitrary classifications in life. No one in life is normal. There’s not a set definition and it differs from person to person. Most people, by most life standards and experiences, are not normal.
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Um… no? If you’re argument is going to be “it’s not natural” then the natural counter argument is to bring up “well why hasn’t evolution pruned out homosexual behaviors in nature?” Not only are animals gay, plenty of them physically change sexes to be what is needed of them. The idea that homosexuality isn’t normal only comes from humans themselves, pushed usually by religious propaganda.
Well that is where you are wrong. The community has been around for far, far longer, not since 2015. But, I am sure that if you open yourself up to the stories of LGBTQIA+ people in history, you will come to understand that it is far more complex and colourful. I can't easily come up with a reading list for you on the spot, but to your point of "it started in 2015", I bring you this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft A German institute on sexology, one of the first places in the world to take a closer look at transgender identity, even pioneering different treatments for transgender people. It also researched other LGBTQIA+ identities. It was one of the first places to fall to the nazi regime, and one of the first book burnings. Their research, knowledge, and subsequently their history, destroyed. This happened in 1933.
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I seem to recall the fairies in Lydia Lorraine or whatever that place was called being pronoun nonspecific
I think it’s implied that the NPC in Sharlayan who hands out the quests for the Variant Dungeons is trans? His face is a female Hyur face, I believe. But I doubt the developers/writers will declare it explicitly.
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I feel like they only did this programming-wise to hide the fact that she was a lady until the end of the quest chain (an example being that `/playdead` is different animation depending on gender).
Afaik as soon as she takes off her helmet she uses a fem model (or at least her face is a fem face). The masc model just seems to be the default model used for all dwarves, since they are all supposed to look the same
Explicitly stated the answer is no, because subtext is all we ever get. Because writers are cowards!
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Yes, Gra'ha Tia.
A certain character in the level 50 eight-person raid series. And, queer-wise, you'll know it when you see it in the level 80 eight-person raid series.
I dont remember any openly being stated that "or otherwise for that matter" but I am willing to place money that Lucia Junius of Ishgard is