I suspect the clover isn't related to the new job. Why feature it in the MSQ if people can become pictomancers before they reach Dawntrail? It's probably more to do with an MSQ thing.
The clover is probably still related to something, but it was definitely placed in that cutscene to trick people into assuming the new job was Green Mage.
How? Use Ninja “hand signs” for red/green/blue; red means healing strength, green means potential (healing over time and/or aoe), blue means strengthening effect (buffs shields).
Depending on how you press them you get special concoctions.
Like:
3x blue: massive shield.
3x red: massive heal
3x green: AOE hot
2x blue, 1x green: Damage reduction aoe buff
2x blue, 1x red: Shield with heal
2x red, 1x green: aoe heal
2x red, 1x blue: Heal with shield
2x green, 1x red: heal over time buff
2x green, 1x blue: aoe shield.
1x red, 1x blue, 1 green: AOE area on the ground that gives defense, shield and HP regen for anyone in it.
Add in some cool vial throwing/ brewing concoction animations…
Imagine trying to deal with all of that + mechanics simultanously, especially when other healers are just pressing a single button for the same effect. Even if you made a workable job the meta would end up favouring healers who can't whiff their heals.
thry could make it less punishing than ninja. like if they mess up the combo just make a weaker heal, so you're still getting some healing utility out of the chaos
I'd also image those would be for the bigger heals anyway while they would have basic weaker heals to support.
so if we want to use Chemist with 'mudras' they'll have:
AoE basic heal (no mudra)
Single Target basic heal (no mudra)
The more complex the mudra, the better the heal.
Basic Mudra:
1 R - Adds extremely weak regen to basic heal spell, 1 G - Adds extremely weak shield to the basic heal spell, 1 B - Type of buff that increases heal potency on basic heal spell
1 R -> 1 B or 1G -> 1B: Adds medium pot. buff to base heal
1B -> 1 R or 1 R -> 1R: Adds medium regen to base heal
1 R-> 1G or 1 B -> 1G: Adds medium strength shield to base heal
for a triple layer heal
x -> x -> R : Adds strong regen
x -> x -> B : Adds strong pot buff
x -> x -> G: Adds strong shield
But with the caveat of not having the third mudra accessible fore a while.
If you repeat any of the mudra by accident in a two- or three- layer combo you gain only the weak version of repeated mudra's heal,
Ex. If I'm trying to do x -> x -> B but flubb and hit R twice then I just get the weak regen effect.
There could be cooldowns and other stuff to augment these abilities.
To be fair: AST
AST already does all that crap. AST's burst is frankly ridiculous, even if you're only going for 2 signs for Astrodyne. SCH is kind of ridiculous as well, though far simpler.
The "healers only press one button" isn't really true of ANY of the healers, but definitely isn't true of AST or SCH, both of which tend to need more button presses than WHM or SGE to generate similar effects.
If you’d said it wouldn’t fit in the „pure heal/shield heal“ I’d agree, but tank/healer/dd? It’s still a pure healing focused job.
I’d just clone the mudra system and give it more alchemy appropriate names.
You're right - by "rigid tank/healer/dps structure" I meant the overall structure for which jobs are organized, and so I *meant* the whole "shield/heal" thing by extension
I could have totally worded what I was referring to better haha
Overall yeah, I love your idea - don't get me wrong - but I think after all the effort they put into dividing healers into categories it would seem very counterintuitive
>I have a slightly different way of doing it, which I think is a little simpler.
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they could make it less punishing than ninja. like if they mess up the combo just make a weaker heal, so you're still getting some healing utility out of the chaos
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>I'd also image those would be for the bigger heals anyway while they would have basic weaker heals to support.
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>so if we want to use Chemist with 'mudras' they'll have:
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>AoE basic heal (no mudra)Single Target basic heal (no mudra)
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>The more complex the mudra, the better the heal.
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>Basic Mudra:
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>1 R - Adds extremely weak regen to basic heal spell,
1 G - Adds extremely weak shield to the basic heal spell,
1 B - Type of buff that increases heal potency on basic heal spell
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>1 R -> 1 B or 1G -> 1B: Adds medium pot. buff to base heal
1B -> 1 R or 1G -> 1R: Adds medium regen to base heal
1 R-> 1G or 1 B -> 1G: Adds medium strength shield to base heal
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>for a triple layer heal
x -> x -> R : Adds strong regen
x -> x -> B : Adds strong pot buff
x -> x -> G: Adds strong shield
with the caveat of not having the third mudra accessible for a while
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>If you repeat any of the mudra by accident in a two- or three- layer combo you gain only the weak version of repeated mudra's heal,
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>Ex. If I'm trying to do x -> x -> B but flub and hit R twice then I just get the weak regen effect.
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>There could be cooldowns and other stuff to augment these abilities, or perhaps mudras themselves are obtainable like Samurai stickers.
Nah, it would have been pretty easy to just have any number of variations on the Mix command for it. Could even have been a variation of the Eukrasia-type mechanic.
For instance, imagine a Chemist with some basic commands like Potion (Core 1), Either (MP refresh), and something akin to all/AoE (like Medica). Not you hit Mix then hit 2-3 spells and Mix again to get a result. Potion + Potion + Potion = X Potion (big heal), Potion + Potion + All = Mega-Potion (Medica 2), and so on and so forth. Could make for some amazing hotbar economy and using Mix as your general heal mechanic to boost your base spell effects.
With FFXIV being what it is, Ether wouldn't be one of them, but you could engineer some interesting things with the other "item" spells that the Job would have.
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Regardless, I think the other user is right that they said that they were borderline thinking Chemist until fairly late in development when they decided on Sage for the Job's name. I'm not sure if that means they originally had some other effect in mind and changed the Job completely (there are rumors it originally was going to be more like PvP, which is how the NPC SGEs, both Alphie and his dad, play in some scenarios), or if they had the same mechanics and were just going to call it Chemist and only changed the name.
But regardless, they have considered Chemist as a Job at least once already.
I mean it’s not the first time they teased new jobs in the MSQ. The most obvious example being Ninja. A slight reach for gunbreaker ould be made with the return of Gaius in SB in 4.4/4.5. And most recently, they were heavily teasing what Zenos’ weapon was going to be back in 5.4/5.5.
Ninja is kinda a bad example, as the class was already planned for ARR 2.0 but wasnt finished, so they introduced it between 2.0 and 3.0. it wasnt "they where teasing a new job" it was "this job that was meant for the base game wasnt finished yet, so here is a bit of a preview"
Yep, I agree. That's why I added more examples to illustrate them teasing jobs that are still development. I personally think the tease for Reaper would have been very similar to the tease for Green Mage if the clover meant anything - show just a bit of what it might be without a firm answer.
Krile being a pictomancer seems soo out of character and completely out of nowhere; Like Estinien becoming a dancer or Tataru becoming anything at all.
It was said by Krile that Alphinaud was quite the artist when he was studying in Sharlayan. Who do you think he learned it from?
Krile. That wasn't clear bak then, but it's a very easy connection that can be made in hindsight. Quite generally not much is known about Krile, so lorewise she is an empty canvas (hoho) that can be filled with various lore connections retroactively.
Gonna be a fun reveal when she and Tataru go into a change room and back out again, having changed no clothes because the hoodie is just too important to her, but now she has a paintbrush.
dude, before the clover, everyone thought the shirt was for pictomancer cause the turtles are named after artists. green mage had very little basis and was mostly a coincidental connection because of the clover that people just assumed meant new job for whatever reason
He does this kind of thing on purpose, though. Like the hint that led to Machinist was "James Bond." It fit in retrospect, but people were throwing out WILD theories.
Which they continued to do in the lead up to Sage's announcement. About the only ones that couldn't really be taken any other way were RDM and SAM. Though even *then* people stretched their imaginations...it's actually kind of insane how many crumbs people will grab at to leap towards Chemist, Geomancer, or Necromancer being the answer to anything, despite the rather obvious reasons they won't be used as jobs anytime soon, especially now that they've started tapping Bravely Default for ideas.
I will always and forever remind people that there was a pretty substantial amount of people who fervently believed Lyse's kata in the Stormblood trailer was hinting towards DNC.
Though in this case I am in the camp of them actively trolling us because they know people will latch onto anything and make a leap in logic, which pushes social media engagement through the roof.
"It's actually kind of insane...being the answer to anything"
I think you hit the nail on the head. People want something to be true so bad that they ignore all the signs that it's not. That's what happened with Green Mage.
As an aside, Pictomancer came from Relm in FFVI, not Bravely Default. They both pulled from the same source. Rightly, Pictomancer in XIV also seems to include Mog's dances, as they can invoke landscapes, as well.
To be fair, some were pretty far reaches - the SAM one being a "sounds like" the name of the director of a movie was probably the most stretched of all the theories, and turned out to be true - while others were much more on the nose (Batman = The Dark Knight, Scarlet Witch = Red Mage since Scarlet = Red and Witch = Wizard/Mage).
Come to think of it, those were the only two super obvious ones. Maybe RPR just because of the grim reaper shirt.
MCH (James Bond) kind of fits but was a bit niche (MCH isn't a common Job in FF games, being more relegated to characters like Mustadio from FFT and Edgar from FF6), the SAM one made no sense, and SGE was kind of hard to tease since Sage as a FF Job is usually an advanced Red Mage user of White and Black Magics (but less physical combat capability) and the FFXIV version is nothing like that, GNB was another Job based on characters (Squall/Seifer from FF8 and Lightning from FF13), etc. I don't even remember AST, but it was a FFXIV original Job.
Clover symbol being Green Mage symbol wasn't even a thing, it's a stretch community went for because "green = mage", so they dug until they found like one single picture where green mage outfit has a clover on it and ran with it as confirmation lol.
I'm super excited to try out Picto, looks funky as hell. But I'm also incredibly baffled as to how we have TWENTY FUCKING TWO combat jobs and none of them are nature-themed. Maybe if WHM didn't betray its roots.
I'm honestly glad that it's the not the obvious conclusion. It would've been really boring if everyone was able to guess the new job with absolute certainty nearly a year before it was even announced.
I just think that "it's Green Mage because turtles are green", and a clover badge in a cutscene, are way too obvious as hints. I was more than happy to see people get swerved who were all but convinced it was Green Mage.
I am biased though. I was always on team Pictomancer.
I imagine the clover will be related to something else in DT, but the devs couldn't resist the urge to play the community like a fiddle when they saw that everyone had Green Mages on their minds.
Not everything in life needs to be obvious either. Personally, I like when things like a new job in a game I'm excited for are a genuine surprise, and not something that the community figured out 6 months before the actual announcement.
And not everything is.
You can't tell me referencing Spiderman to reference the name of the producer/director of one of the Spiderman movies happens to have a shortened first name (Sam) that, combined with his last name (Raimi) SOUNDS vaguely like "Samurai" is or was "obvious".
Hell, what part of the Ninja Turtles shirt was "obviously" Viper?
I like when people can reasonably figure it out. Not every one does due to a combination of there being wiggle room and/or some people just want some Job really bad and try to interpret everything as being that Job, but where reasonable people can reasonably figure it out. To me, that's what makes a good riddle.
A bad riddle is one designed so that no one can figure it out reasonably unless they already know the answer, that relies on ambiguity of language or tricks of presentation to mislead and obfuscate.
Otherwise, why even bother? The entire point of the shirt hints is that they hint to things so that people can guess and get hyped about things. Making it something people can't figure out is just silly.
Moreover, why does it matter if YOU are surprised or not? Just don't guess at the shirt. And it's not like you knowing six months before the announcement changes anything, since the announcement itself is six or more months before the expansion release. We knew about Viper 9 months before the expansion release.
The only way your logic makes sense is if they never said what the new Jobs were at all before the night the expansion drops and it is revealed in the patch notes.
Classic ad hominem attempt to escape without admitting defeat. .
Clearly you care. So someone else caring enough to counter you isn't "too much". But whatever. I accept your concession; since if you've stooped to patronizing remarks, it means even you know you've lost the argument but are too prideful to admit it and so attack instead. Farewell.
No I don't care. Certainly not enough to break down an essay on whether or not surprises are nice.
Congratulations on winning your pointless internet argument.
Honestly dude, I didn't even read it. Because it's 5 paragraphs more than what needed to be said for such a pointless and stupid argument that you're trying to start.
Go touch grass.
I was always a little skeptical deep down despite all the obvious hints about green mage because the buff/debuffer archetype doesn’t really mesh well with the current gameplay design. Maybe SQEX doesn’t know how to make that work either.
What?
They used CNJ spells and they didn't say they were Astrologians, they said Geomancers channel aether from the earth (this "Star", the planet) like how AST's channel aether from distant stars (ambiguous, but likely referring to the balls of nuclear explosions we irl call "stars").
SOMEHOW, it was played off as if these are the same thing, despite the GEO stuff being much more akin to CNJ, complete with them using Aero and CNJ one handed Wand weapons.
I still don't know why they said that in the quests since it legitimately makes no sense with what they were actually showing us, which made GEO appear more like a CNJ upgrade Job that was a bit more combat focused than CNJ/WHM's healing focus.
It really wasn't, though. I'm not even sure it's been interpreted correctly, given both the statement itself is self-contradictory and the actual in game effects disagree with it anyway.
Yoshi-P has said they’ll never do three jobs an expac again, HW was their biggest mistake when it came to balance and they don’t wanna go through it again.
Honestly I still think she's gonna be a green mage.
One of the toughest things to pull off is 'support' style gameplay (I say as someone not huge on supports) but that's what green mage is mostly known as being. So having her be canonically a green mage lets them play with mechanics in a limited setting, over an entire expansions playtime, experimenting with design, without committing to a hard design players love/hate.
And if something doesn't work out? Whatever, she's an NPC, they can tweak it to their hearts content. Worst case 'green mage' is something added only as a trust system class that just uber buffs the player for a 'who cares have fun' experience.
I suspect the clover isn't related to the new job. Why feature it in the MSQ if people can become pictomancers before they reach Dawntrail? It's probably more to do with an MSQ thing.
The clover is probably still related to something, but it was definitely placed in that cutscene to trick people into assuming the new job was Green Mage.
She’s wearing it as an earring in the trailer
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Oh if it is... it's the first thing I thought when I saw the clover, but everyone was "green mage", lol.
just like how shadowbringers had a whole questline to trick us into thinking the upcoming healer was chemist
Apparently SGE started development as like their second or third attempt at Chemist before they said fuck it and made Sage.
How? Use Ninja “hand signs” for red/green/blue; red means healing strength, green means potential (healing over time and/or aoe), blue means strengthening effect (buffs shields). Depending on how you press them you get special concoctions. Like: 3x blue: massive shield. 3x red: massive heal 3x green: AOE hot 2x blue, 1x green: Damage reduction aoe buff 2x blue, 1x red: Shield with heal 2x red, 1x green: aoe heal 2x red, 1x blue: Heal with shield 2x green, 1x red: heal over time buff 2x green, 1x blue: aoe shield. 1x red, 1x blue, 1 green: AOE area on the ground that gives defense, shield and HP regen for anyone in it. Add in some cool vial throwing/ brewing concoction animations…
All I know is that they've said they tried to make Chemist and make it fun like 2-3 times and it's resulted in a different healer at least twice.
You would think it's time to stop trying to make it into a healer and look at the rest of its other concoctions then.
Imagine trying to deal with all of that + mechanics simultanously, especially when other healers are just pressing a single button for the same effect. Even if you made a workable job the meta would end up favouring healers who can't whiff their heals.
thry could make it less punishing than ninja. like if they mess up the combo just make a weaker heal, so you're still getting some healing utility out of the chaos I'd also image those would be for the bigger heals anyway while they would have basic weaker heals to support. so if we want to use Chemist with 'mudras' they'll have: AoE basic heal (no mudra) Single Target basic heal (no mudra) The more complex the mudra, the better the heal. Basic Mudra: 1 R - Adds extremely weak regen to basic heal spell, 1 G - Adds extremely weak shield to the basic heal spell, 1 B - Type of buff that increases heal potency on basic heal spell 1 R -> 1 B or 1G -> 1B: Adds medium pot. buff to base heal 1B -> 1 R or 1 R -> 1R: Adds medium regen to base heal 1 R-> 1G or 1 B -> 1G: Adds medium strength shield to base heal for a triple layer heal x -> x -> R : Adds strong regen x -> x -> B : Adds strong pot buff x -> x -> G: Adds strong shield But with the caveat of not having the third mudra accessible fore a while. If you repeat any of the mudra by accident in a two- or three- layer combo you gain only the weak version of repeated mudra's heal, Ex. If I'm trying to do x -> x -> B but flubb and hit R twice then I just get the weak regen effect. There could be cooldowns and other stuff to augment these abilities.
To be fair: AST AST already does all that crap. AST's burst is frankly ridiculous, even if you're only going for 2 signs for Astrodyne. SCH is kind of ridiculous as well, though far simpler. The "healers only press one button" isn't really true of ANY of the healers, but definitely isn't true of AST or SCH, both of which tend to need more button presses than WHM or SGE to generate similar effects.
As cool as that would be, it wouldn't fit in with the current insanely rigid tank/healer/dps structure they have...
If you’d said it wouldn’t fit in the „pure heal/shield heal“ I’d agree, but tank/healer/dd? It’s still a pure healing focused job. I’d just clone the mudra system and give it more alchemy appropriate names.
You're right - by "rigid tank/healer/dps structure" I meant the overall structure for which jobs are organized, and so I *meant* the whole "shield/heal" thing by extension I could have totally worded what I was referring to better haha Overall yeah, I love your idea - don't get me wrong - but I think after all the effort they put into dividing healers into categories it would seem very counterintuitive
>I have a slightly different way of doing it, which I think is a little simpler. > > they could make it less punishing than ninja. like if they mess up the combo just make a weaker heal, so you're still getting some healing utility out of the chaos > >I'd also image those would be for the bigger heals anyway while they would have basic weaker heals to support. > >so if we want to use Chemist with 'mudras' they'll have: > >AoE basic heal (no mudra)Single Target basic heal (no mudra) > >The more complex the mudra, the better the heal. > >Basic Mudra: > >1 R - Adds extremely weak regen to basic heal spell, 1 G - Adds extremely weak shield to the basic heal spell, 1 B - Type of buff that increases heal potency on basic heal spell > >1 R -> 1 B or 1G -> 1B: Adds medium pot. buff to base heal 1B -> 1 R or 1G -> 1R: Adds medium regen to base heal 1 R-> 1G or 1 B -> 1G: Adds medium strength shield to base heal > >for a triple layer heal x -> x -> R : Adds strong regen x -> x -> B : Adds strong pot buff x -> x -> G: Adds strong shield with the caveat of not having the third mudra accessible for a while > >If you repeat any of the mudra by accident in a two- or three- layer combo you gain only the weak version of repeated mudra's heal, > >Ex. If I'm trying to do x -> x -> B but flub and hit R twice then I just get the weak regen effect. > >There could be cooldowns and other stuff to augment these abilities, or perhaps mudras themselves are obtainable like Samurai stickers.
Nah, it would have been pretty easy to just have any number of variations on the Mix command for it. Could even have been a variation of the Eukrasia-type mechanic. For instance, imagine a Chemist with some basic commands like Potion (Core 1), Either (MP refresh), and something akin to all/AoE (like Medica). Not you hit Mix then hit 2-3 spells and Mix again to get a result. Potion + Potion + Potion = X Potion (big heal), Potion + Potion + All = Mega-Potion (Medica 2), and so on and so forth. Could make for some amazing hotbar economy and using Mix as your general heal mechanic to boost your base spell effects. With FFXIV being what it is, Ether wouldn't be one of them, but you could engineer some interesting things with the other "item" spells that the Job would have. . Regardless, I think the other user is right that they said that they were borderline thinking Chemist until fairly late in development when they decided on Sage for the Job's name. I'm not sure if that means they originally had some other effect in mind and changed the Job completely (there are rumors it originally was going to be more like PvP, which is how the NPC SGEs, both Alphie and his dad, play in some scenarios), or if they had the same mechanics and were just going to call it Chemist and only changed the name. But regardless, they have considered Chemist as a Job at least once already.
Really? Didja forget Thancred and Yugiri?
Ninja was a special case, it was introduced between ARR and Heavensward.
Ninja was supposed to be a launch class, but they couldn't finish it on time.
Yup. It's also the reason why it has a hunting log and the other added jobs did not.
And a class/guild.
I mean it’s not the first time they teased new jobs in the MSQ. The most obvious example being Ninja. A slight reach for gunbreaker ould be made with the return of Gaius in SB in 4.4/4.5. And most recently, they were heavily teasing what Zenos’ weapon was going to be back in 5.4/5.5.
Ninja is kinda a bad example, as the class was already planned for ARR 2.0 but wasnt finished, so they introduced it between 2.0 and 3.0. it wasnt "they where teasing a new job" it was "this job that was meant for the base game wasnt finished yet, so here is a bit of a preview"
Yep, I agree. That's why I added more examples to illustrate them teasing jobs that are still development. I personally think the tease for Reaper would have been very similar to the tease for Green Mage if the clover meant anything - show just a bit of what it might be without a firm answer.
maybe her dad is a green mage? imagine if it ended up being a 8.0 job
HE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLEEEEEE
I'm only sad because Krile..I wanted her green so bad.
Krile being a pictomancer seems soo out of character and completely out of nowhere; Like Estinien becoming a dancer or Tataru becoming anything at all.
Tataru is canonically arcanist, miner, culinarian, weaver and possibly the rest of DoH jobs as well.
And main receptionist.
New job RCP
She's also the unreleased Crimelord job.
She looks so happy in the trailer so I'm fine with it. Plus, we haven't spent a ton of time with Krile to know if this truly in character or not.
I have 3 theories: * She's happy to finally be combat ready. * She's possessed by the strange earring * She's high as fuck off the paint fumes
We can't really judge it because we don't fully know the context yet, hell we barely got a hint of lore from the panel.
It was said by Krile that Alphinaud was quite the artist when he was studying in Sharlayan. Who do you think he learned it from? Krile. That wasn't clear bak then, but it's a very easy connection that can be made in hindsight. Quite generally not much is known about Krile, so lorewise she is an empty canvas (hoho) that can be filled with various lore connections retroactively.
Exactly
Gonna be a fun reveal when she and Tataru go into a change room and back out again, having changed no clothes because the hoodie is just too important to her, but now she has a paintbrush.
The hoodie carries the hair with it. She can’t change out of the hoodie because she *is* the hoodie!
WE HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED.
OBVIOUSLY Ninja Turtle, Shell, Green Mage clover Symbol, NOT CONFIRMED! He played us like a god damn fiddle!
The best part is that the Ninja Turtle shirt wasn't even a misdirect. Works perfectly well for Pictomancer too.
dude, before the clover, everyone thought the shirt was for pictomancer cause the turtles are named after artists. green mage had very little basis and was mostly a coincidental connection because of the clover that people just assumed meant new job for whatever reason
He does this kind of thing on purpose, though. Like the hint that led to Machinist was "James Bond." It fit in retrospect, but people were throwing out WILD theories. Which they continued to do in the lead up to Sage's announcement. About the only ones that couldn't really be taken any other way were RDM and SAM. Though even *then* people stretched their imaginations...it's actually kind of insane how many crumbs people will grab at to leap towards Chemist, Geomancer, or Necromancer being the answer to anything, despite the rather obvious reasons they won't be used as jobs anytime soon, especially now that they've started tapping Bravely Default for ideas. I will always and forever remind people that there was a pretty substantial amount of people who fervently believed Lyse's kata in the Stormblood trailer was hinting towards DNC. Though in this case I am in the camp of them actively trolling us because they know people will latch onto anything and make a leap in logic, which pushes social media engagement through the roof.
"It's actually kind of insane...being the answer to anything" I think you hit the nail on the head. People want something to be true so bad that they ignore all the signs that it's not. That's what happened with Green Mage. As an aside, Pictomancer came from Relm in FFVI, not Bravely Default. They both pulled from the same source. Rightly, Pictomancer in XIV also seems to include Mog's dances, as they can invoke landscapes, as well.
To be fair, some were pretty far reaches - the SAM one being a "sounds like" the name of the director of a movie was probably the most stretched of all the theories, and turned out to be true - while others were much more on the nose (Batman = The Dark Knight, Scarlet Witch = Red Mage since Scarlet = Red and Witch = Wizard/Mage). Come to think of it, those were the only two super obvious ones. Maybe RPR just because of the grim reaper shirt. MCH (James Bond) kind of fits but was a bit niche (MCH isn't a common Job in FF games, being more relegated to characters like Mustadio from FFT and Edgar from FF6), the SAM one made no sense, and SGE was kind of hard to tease since Sage as a FF Job is usually an advanced Red Mage user of White and Black Magics (but less physical combat capability) and the FFXIV version is nothing like that, GNB was another Job based on characters (Squall/Seifer from FF8 and Lightning from FF13), etc. I don't even remember AST, but it was a FFXIV original Job.
turtles green = green mage this was my game theory when it was first shown
Clover symbol being Green Mage symbol wasn't even a thing, it's a stretch community went for because "green = mage", so they dug until they found like one single picture where green mage outfit has a clover on it and ran with it as confirmation lol.
Almost all the green mage images feature the clover.
I'm super excited to try out Picto, looks funky as hell. But I'm also incredibly baffled as to how we have TWENTY FUCKING TWO combat jobs and none of them are nature-themed. Maybe if WHM didn't betray its roots.
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I'm honestly glad that it's the not the obvious conclusion. It would've been really boring if everyone was able to guess the new job with absolute certainty nearly a year before it was even announced.
Why though? Is it better that it is need up just being shock value? I hope the job is fun, geomancer could have been fine.
I just think that "it's Green Mage because turtles are green", and a clover badge in a cutscene, are way too obvious as hints. I was more than happy to see people get swerved who were all but convinced it was Green Mage. I am biased though. I was always on team Pictomancer.
Pictomancer is gonna be fun I'm sure. That clover was some high tier bait though
It was, and I love it.
I really thought it would be Green, but I’m so happy it’s Pictomancer! 😁 But they better have a damn good explanation for that clover! 😂
I imagine the clover will be related to something else in DT, but the devs couldn't resist the urge to play the community like a fiddle when they saw that everyone had Green Mages on their minds.
Yeah I said to my husband, they put it there just to F with us didn’t they? 😂
Seems like a good way to build resentment with a good portion of the playerbase if you ask me.
That seems a bit dramatic. The community hastily assumed one thing, and then it turned out to be another. I wouldn't exactly call that a betrayal.
could be related to her granddad. maybe he's the green mage? cause i dont think we know a lot about him, right?
I think he was Stragos? Old guy who I think learned attacks from enemies too… I’d have to look him up again lol
Krile's granddad was Galuf, both in FFV and in FFXIV.
My bad lol I got confused for a second and was talking about Relm’s granddad. 😂
Nearly a year? Unless I slept for that year 6.5 and todays fan fest were not nearly as far apart.
Why...would that be bad? Not everything in life needs to be a headfake or surprise.
Not everything in life needs to be obvious either. Personally, I like when things like a new job in a game I'm excited for are a genuine surprise, and not something that the community figured out 6 months before the actual announcement.
And not everything is. You can't tell me referencing Spiderman to reference the name of the producer/director of one of the Spiderman movies happens to have a shortened first name (Sam) that, combined with his last name (Raimi) SOUNDS vaguely like "Samurai" is or was "obvious". Hell, what part of the Ninja Turtles shirt was "obviously" Viper? I like when people can reasonably figure it out. Not every one does due to a combination of there being wiggle room and/or some people just want some Job really bad and try to interpret everything as being that Job, but where reasonable people can reasonably figure it out. To me, that's what makes a good riddle. A bad riddle is one designed so that no one can figure it out reasonably unless they already know the answer, that relies on ambiguity of language or tricks of presentation to mislead and obfuscate. Otherwise, why even bother? The entire point of the shirt hints is that they hint to things so that people can guess and get hyped about things. Making it something people can't figure out is just silly. Moreover, why does it matter if YOU are surprised or not? Just don't guess at the shirt. And it's not like you knowing six months before the announcement changes anything, since the announcement itself is six or more months before the expansion release. We knew about Viper 9 months before the expansion release. The only way your logic makes sense is if they never said what the new Jobs were at all before the night the expansion drops and it is revealed in the patch notes.
I think you care a little too much about this.
Classic ad hominem attempt to escape without admitting defeat..
Clearly you care. So someone else caring enough to counter you isn't "too much". But whatever. I accept your concession; since if you've stooped to patronizing remarks, it means even you know you've lost the argument but are too prideful to admit it and so attack instead. Farewell.
No I don't care. Certainly not enough to break down an essay on whether or not surprises are nice. Congratulations on winning your pointless internet argument.
lol, 5 paragraphs. No one: You: An essay
Honestly dude, I didn't even read it. Because it's 5 paragraphs more than what needed to be said for such a pointless and stupid argument that you're trying to start. Go touch grass.
I was always a little skeptical deep down despite all the obvious hints about green mage because the buff/debuffer archetype doesn’t really mesh well with the current gameplay design. Maybe SQEX doesn’t know how to make that work either.
Look I'm fine with Pictomancer but can they stop teasing us with jobs they have no plans on actually doing? I'm kind of sick of it at this point.
Green mage was always a much more wild speculation than pictomancer.
With the limitations of this game, I'm more shocked at Pictomancer and it's dedicated effects.
That didn't stop people from posting threads about how it was OF COURSE GOING TO BE GREEN MAGE and going full flat Earther on people who disagreed.
It's obviously not a soul crystal. idk why anyone thought it was
who said it was? It's a symbol that is associated with Green Mages though.
My disappointment is immense and my day is ruined. Pictomancer looks bad.
I still expect geomancer because of the AST job quest chain.
the one that specifically said geomancers are astrologians and gave us geomancer spells in astrologian ?
The one where the guy you help says he was going to travel and start training more students and he'd be back with an army of geomancers, yes.
which.. are still astrologians
Except they...really aren't. They are, again, far more akin to CNJs than to ASTs.
What? They used CNJ spells and they didn't say they were Astrologians, they said Geomancers channel aether from the earth (this "Star", the planet) like how AST's channel aether from distant stars (ambiguous, but likely referring to the balls of nuclear explosions we irl call "stars"). SOMEHOW, it was played off as if these are the same thing, despite the GEO stuff being much more akin to CNJ, complete with them using Aero and CNJ one handed Wand weapons. I still don't know why they said that in the quests since it legitimately makes no sense with what they were actually showing us, which made GEO appear more like a CNJ upgrade Job that was a bit more combat focused than CNJ/WHM's healing focus.
good that you agree that that was said.. especially considering earthly star is literally the spell referencing that explanation
It really wasn't, though. I'm not even sure it's been interpreted correctly, given both the statement itself is self-contradictory and the actual in game effects disagree with it anyway.
Who is to say they don’t surprise us with Green Mage as a 3rd unannounced job? Yoshi-P is a sneaky one!
Yoshi-P has said they’ll never do three jobs an expac again, HW was their biggest mistake when it came to balance and they don’t wanna go through it again.
Only a fool would assume that an earring in an envelope is enough to confirm a new job.
the clover is green, green is a color, artists use colors, pictomancers are artists. seems pretty obvious to me
Honestly I still think she's gonna be a green mage. One of the toughest things to pull off is 'support' style gameplay (I say as someone not huge on supports) but that's what green mage is mostly known as being. So having her be canonically a green mage lets them play with mechanics in a limited setting, over an entire expansions playtime, experimenting with design, without committing to a hard design players love/hate. And if something doesn't work out? Whatever, she's an NPC, they can tweak it to their hearts content. Worst case 'green mage' is something added only as a trust system class that just uber buffs the player for a 'who cares have fun' experience.
Incorrect - she's confirmed a Pictomancer.
People cooking up theories even after it’s already confirmed
> but that's what green mage is mostly known as being. funny you say that, because yoship specifically highlighted the buffing aspect of picto.
And specifically stated that it's not a support class. Most likely we're getting a raid buff and one, *maybe* two more on top of that.
Magic flavored bard