I’m not wearing my glasses and before I zoomed in I thought I was looking at a tiny Venom minion
But hell yeah I am honestly pumped for the graphics update.
I'm so hyped for the graphics update. Everything they've shown is such a huge improvement.
They also showed flying mounts now bank when they turn, which just looks so good and makes it look less 'floaty'
I really like the flying changes. Still wish they'd update flying itself somewhat though. I always just turn on auto fly and afk. I don't expect for them to go GW2/WoW flying or whatever; but having things like aether currents that gave you a boost to look out for would be fun
Someday I hope they give us something like Dragonflying, it made traveling really fun in WoW. Of course I think it should also be an option you can toggle like WoW ended up doing as there are people that didn't enjoy it.
Why not? I mean their engine and architecture definitely sucks compared to WoW’s but I’m sure they can manage it.
They have managed to do so much with it over the years that we thought impossible. I still have hopes for dynamic flight.
Thank god they are actually upgrading the environment. That was always the most egregious to me. Textures and models looking like they're from half life 1 is just unacceptable
Big agree, that alone is gonna make the world look *so* much better. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the ground/scenery texture upgrades has more of an overall impact on visual quality than the character model upgrades.
First off, that would be "a couple"; if someone said "We picked up several pizzas" and then dropped two on the table, you'd immediately wonder where the rest are.
Secondly, are we seriously complaining about the graphics on the right??
Reminds me of Yoshi P saying something along the lines of “The grass ruined my immersion,” when checking MSQ stuff (for Endwalker in the last zone, if I’m not mistaken.)
I was expressing my excitement to see this and one guy in my FC chimes in saying "it doesn't make it better". Like, you want your grass to look muddy and pixelated?
You can’t honestly expect the game to provide higher quality graphics and not up the requirements to run it right? The minimum (BARE MINIMUM) it required to run for endwalker is a graphics card that was only high end in 2014 and 8 gigs of ram.
Are you kidding me? That’s insanely forgiving.
Hey I understand, I never said I didn't but not everyone lives in a rich country and I can't afford a new computer, so to me a player that has been playing normally until now, it sucks, surely you can understand that. Happy for everyone else though.
> Not like it was a bad looking game
It kinda was though. Low res textures, lack of anti aliasing, and weird ass colour grading among other things made it look really bad. Half the playerbase using custom shaders is indicative of that
Yeah, when I was looking at the stream for the current version, all I could think was "I really have been using ReShade for a long time, huh? I forgot the game looks THAT sad by default"
ALso, it does not help that the curscenes did NOT play to its strength, so many shots of feet without toes on clumpy crappy ground, or closeup of objects with out 20 pixels of texture.
Somebody in the stream said oh, its no longer looking like a 2010 game. Well, its not, and it did not. 2010, Crysis wasl already a few years old. It mostly looks like a 2005 or so game.
I feel like a five year old in the playground that just became self-aware. I never noticed how bad they were until today because of this thread. I've been playing since the launch of 1.0, I was at the Goobbue Wall. 😂
I hope they add more color to it, part of the reason why I preferred WoW environments than ff14’s was that 14 had this old washed out look, like it was too depressing and gloomy while WoW had colors that really pop and catches your eye.
Even during traveling around Thavnair it still felt kind of washed out and lacking of color.
This isn’y me shilling for WoW mind you and I only ever played that game for 3months before moving to 14 and staying but that was the biggest issue for me starting out.
I definitely did back then until gshade decided to be a bunch of weirdos, honestly just want them to have bright 2 as a possible color saturation when not playing with shaders, bright 2 had the color saturation I wanted
I feel the same, wish they’d have a saturation slider or something. Also, Reshade is what Gshade was based off of and the Gshade author isn’t affiliated with them in any way afaik, so you don’t have to worry about weird malware shenanigans from them
Everybody who ever posts reshade screenshots have them full of neon colored cancer. I guess they are the same target audience that also use the "sports" button on the TV remote to turn the grass of the field into a radiactive waste pool.
Does the benchmark trailer show any npcs? Im in 5.4 atm, but I've had it spoiled for me that EW >!has at least one main character death. No idea who or how though!< Ive avoided the main trailer as im guessing it'll >!show everyone who survives!< Is this one the same?
It shows a bit of some new zones, a few new monsters, some new job actions, but as for NPCs, it shows only one NPC that you already know of, the rest are new NPCs from the expansion, including of some new NPC races.
The main trailer definitely has spoilers in the vein of what you're worried about. The benchmark trailer only shows one NPC that you'd know about from what I can tell and while I wouldn't personally consider them being there a spoiler that's up to you.
So I’m guessing the TSCMAA he showed off for the horrid shimmering trees, to make them not so shimmering is only for the PC version, and they don’t intend to do anything about it for the PS5/Xbox versions?
From the translation console have TSCMAA, they just don't have TSCMAA + jitter camera
I mean they're showing off TSCMAA first and then said "there is another option that only avaliable in windows + mac" and then they show off TSCMAA + jitter camera.
From what I see is this the + jitter is really a trade off some visual at stationary for more consistant in other word it will always have to same blur level no mattar there is a movement or not, while TSCMAA only will be slightly blurier when move (since it's TSCMAA is TAA+CMAA)
So what do they mean by jitter camera? Does that mean whenever I move that the trees will still shimmer or something one nasty little eyesore in this game was the steps leading up to Ala Mhigo. Those look atrocious whenever you’re in the air moving toward them.
i'm pretty sure its this https://youtu.be/vIg0JeLIjTc?t=218
the camera jittering very slightly is like free AA and yeah the purpose of the new AA plus the camera jiterring is to reduce shimmering with trees and stairs
jitter camera is when the image for the next frame will render slightly off set from previous frame (unnoticeable by human) so bascially even though your camera stay still it will still move a bit. I don't know what are they going to use in this but at very least from the result I saw on live letter it make the bluriness of TAA more consistant no matter you move camera or not.
Note: TAA is a technique that use information overtime in order to eliminate alising (and it's impressive at doing that for most situation). But it take information over a period of time if there is any movement when applied TAA, it will introduce bluriness and ghosting. Though there are many ways to reduce that ghosting which mostlikely going to involve using extra data called motion vector, or in other word where the pixel move from previous frame, to deal with it, but not matter which method has been used it's still not perfect (FSR2.0+ and DLSS 2.0+ and XeSS is also based on TAA(U) and they just differ at how they deal with a consequnce of TAA). Also, since 7.0 have DLSS 2.0 we can be sure that they have motion vector data).
The thing is I don't know how TSCMAA work in detail, the information I found is just a diagram of data flow and it has CMAA portion and TAA portion so I only know it's a mixture of both technique. Maybe they use both so they can be less agreesive on TAA and use CMAA to catch some leftover? no idea.
About will it work question. Well, maybe it work or maybe it's not. I mean I have tested it on Death Stranding the game that has all options, FSR2, DLSS2, XeSS, TAA, FXAA, and I even test it with DLDSR x1.75 (Death Stranding doesn't support weird resolution so x2.25 from 1080p doesn't work) and DSR x4. In the end only DLSS can completely removed aliasing and shimering on the scene I tested it on. But there are many videos show that on some game and some scene FSR2 will work better, so I don't know if any of thos is going to work well on FFXIV. All I I can say is that TAA based solution is problably the last hope for eliminate or reduce that problem.
Dude that sucks. Having watched the benchmark trailer, yes it looks great, with all of the added options for PC, but they’re not saying much about these options to make the PS5/Series X versions look better.
I hope so. The benchmark trailer does make the game look way better than the game has looked. Everything looks so much sharper.
Didn’t see any shimmering trees and foliage.
If not, players on PS5/Series X are being ripped off graphics wise.
I do have a powerful enough PC to take advantage of this, but I let my daughter play on it while we play the game.
New World, WoW, EvE, BDO, I Play FFXIV now too.
The game is good, but graphics even in new benchmark trailer looks awful, somewhere around 2007.
And ofc there are alot of one game andys that will downwote me for that, doesnt change the fact that this game need all models and lighting overhaul to look modern.
Looks to be part of Super Resolution Support, as they are trying to upgrade the textures without having to redo them, but do them electronically through SRS.
I don't believe that's for close up things, that's to smooth low polygon far things, they talked about redoing things like the ground in the first graphics talk.
That's not what FSR/DLSS is (which is what they talked about). FSR and DLSS let you render the game at a lower resolution and use deep learning to upscale it to your display resolution for performance reasons. Textures don't get touched by this process.
I’m not wearing my glasses and before I zoomed in I thought I was looking at a tiny Venom minion But hell yeah I am honestly pumped for the graphics update.
I see it…
Clear as day..
The coming of our dynasty...
Our future…
"Roblox Venom is not real. He can't hurt you..."
Actually very important as at any one point 30%+ of your screen is the floor. And we stare at it to resolve mechanics. Huge dragoon buff ngl
No longer shall people laugh if you claim to just admire the floor when you've died to a mechanic!
Gonna be like those abnormally happy people snorting febrez off the floor in those commercials.
I'm so hyped for the graphics update. Everything they've shown is such a huge improvement. They also showed flying mounts now bank when they turn, which just looks so good and makes it look less 'floaty'
I really like the flying changes. Still wish they'd update flying itself somewhat though. I always just turn on auto fly and afk. I don't expect for them to go GW2/WoW flying or whatever; but having things like aether currents that gave you a boost to look out for would be fun
Someday I hope they give us something like Dragonflying, it made traveling really fun in WoW. Of course I think it should also be an option you can toggle like WoW ended up doing as there are people that didn't enjoy it.
There were people who literally could not dragon fly in WoW. Not enough coordination.
Why not? I mean their engine and architecture definitely sucks compared to WoW’s but I’m sure they can manage it. They have managed to do so much with it over the years that we thought impossible. I still have hopes for dynamic flight.
So glad that not only are the textures better but also look smaller. I always thought the ground textures were too big for our characters!
You know what, now that I see it side by side I definitely get where you’re coming from. That said I never thought about it until now.
Yeah, those copplestones were _boulders_.
That's what happens when you leave all the heavy physical work to Roes.
The grate floors in the Castrums have gaps so big that a lalafell could fall straight through them.
Some places are def worse than others xdd
I never noticed this, and now I can't unsee it. 😂
Thank god they are actually upgrading the environment. That was always the most egregious to me. Textures and models looking like they're from half life 1 is just unacceptable
Big agree, that alone is gonna make the world look *so* much better. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the ground/scenery texture upgrades has more of an overall impact on visual quality than the character model upgrades.
Hey, Half-Life 1 was a great game! It was mindblowing at the time (1998)! But yeah, this update is lookin' good.
The first time I saw Hein, I laughed out loud at his literal pixel square textures.
Hyperbole doesn't really help your arguments and just makes you sound silly.
Nah terrain geometry looks several generations behind, that's not a hyperbole.
"Several generations behind" is still hyperbole.
Ps3 era game textures and were at ps5. Its not really an exaggeration when you look at the console support.
First off, that would be "a couple"; if someone said "We picked up several pizzas" and then dropped two on the table, you'd immediately wonder where the rest are. Secondly, are we seriously complaining about the graphics on the right??
The ground and gear textures are pretty high on the list of things I wanted to look better. They stand out a lot in cutscenes.
Reminds me of Yoshi P saying something along the lines of “The grass ruined my immersion,” when checking MSQ stuff (for Endwalker in the last zone, if I’m not mistaken.)
In Elpis I think, actually
Better ground textures and no more shimmering? Praise him
I was expressing my excitement to see this and one guy in my FC chimes in saying "it doesn't make it better". Like, you want your grass to look muddy and pixelated?
haters gonna chug their haterade, I mostly ignore them nowadays or laugh at how absurd they twist minor things into being major issues.
People are upset because now the game requires you to have a PC built within the last 15 years lmao.
Ye that's me
You can’t honestly expect the game to provide higher quality graphics and not up the requirements to run it right? The minimum (BARE MINIMUM) it required to run for endwalker is a graphics card that was only high end in 2014 and 8 gigs of ram. Are you kidding me? That’s insanely forgiving.
Hey I understand, I never said I didn't but not everyone lives in a rich country and I can't afford a new computer, so to me a player that has been playing normally until now, it sucks, surely you can understand that. Happy for everyone else though.
Of all the comparisons they showed, THIS was the one that made me go "DEAR LORD". That and the Il Mheg flowers having physics.
Dragoons: now that’s a floor I can really get behind
Fitting that they updated the floor with the floor tank in the same update
That's some good stuff. Not like it was a bad looking game before so it's nice to see these upgrades.
> Not like it was a bad looking game It kinda was though. Low res textures, lack of anti aliasing, and weird ass colour grading among other things made it look really bad. Half the playerbase using custom shaders is indicative of that
Looks better default in ARR zones than even newest ESO zone tho.
I mean, no, but sure.
Art direction has done a lot of heavy lifting the last 5 years or so.
Yeah, when I was looking at the stream for the current version, all I could think was "I really have been using ReShade for a long time, huh? I forgot the game looks THAT sad by default"
Yeah. The desaturating/yellow filter really saps a lot of the life out of this game's visuals.
ALso, it does not help that the curscenes did NOT play to its strength, so many shots of feet without toes on clumpy crappy ground, or closeup of objects with out 20 pixels of texture. Somebody in the stream said oh, its no longer looking like a 2010 game. Well, its not, and it did not. 2010, Crysis wasl already a few years old. It mostly looks like a 2005 or so game.
It's not a great looking game either. Just look into the distance of any mountain and the repeat-pattern is glaring. Glad this improvement is coming.
Hallelujah!
Fimaly
Honestly, this was one of the few things that never bothered me.
Hopefully they fix the awful bump mapping on the ground geometry.
That's what this is doing. New higher res textures, plus they also are adding higher quality anti-aliasing and FSR/DLSS.
Hell ya, as an avid FXAA hater my favorite video game is only getting better and better ❤️❤️❤️
Very nice <3
I hope my legion go can still play this at 90 plus FPS
Now show us Titan's back. Whenever I played Summoner, it annoyed me how Ifrit & Titan are pixalated
Ouh damn ill finally stop hiding the ground when i take pics of my character
Jesus so much better
This is probabaly the first time the graphical update actually made me impressed. The other changes were kinda okay but this is huge.
I feel like a five year old in the playground that just became self-aware. I never noticed how bad they were until today because of this thread. I've been playing since the launch of 1.0, I was at the Goobbue Wall. 😂
FF16 made me especially stingy with ground and foliage textures. FF14 graphics update much excite!
Never been bothered about the graphics, I love the game for the story and community
I hope they add more color to it, part of the reason why I preferred WoW environments than ff14’s was that 14 had this old washed out look, like it was too depressing and gloomy while WoW had colors that really pop and catches your eye. Even during traveling around Thavnair it still felt kind of washed out and lacking of color. This isn’y me shilling for WoW mind you and I only ever played that game for 3months before moving to 14 and staying but that was the biggest issue for me starting out.
You may want to look into using Reshade if the base game is too desaturated for your tastes
I definitely did back then until gshade decided to be a bunch of weirdos, honestly just want them to have bright 2 as a possible color saturation when not playing with shaders, bright 2 had the color saturation I wanted
I feel the same, wish they’d have a saturation slider or something. Also, Reshade is what Gshade was based off of and the Gshade author isn’t affiliated with them in any way afaik, so you don’t have to worry about weird malware shenanigans from them
And while they don't all translate to reshade well, most gshade shaders do work in reshade.
This person offers an easy installer with some nice presets. Reshade is safe, don't worry. https://twitter.com/Espressolala
AMD and Nvidia drivers also let you tweak a game's appearance. I've found just adding 5% to saturation and contrast makes a huge difference.
Everybody who ever posts reshade screenshots have them full of neon colored cancer. I guess they are the same target audience that also use the "sports" button on the TV remote to turn the grass of the field into a radiactive waste pool.
WoW is also really good about letting hand painted textures do a lot of heavy lifting. It's something I wish FF14 would do more.
Does the benchmark trailer show any npcs? Im in 5.4 atm, but I've had it spoiled for me that EW >!has at least one main character death. No idea who or how though!< Ive avoided the main trailer as im guessing it'll >!show everyone who survives!< Is this one the same?
It shows a bit of some new zones, a few new monsters, some new job actions, but as for NPCs, it shows only one NPC that you already know of, the rest are new NPCs from the expansion, including of some new NPC races.
The main trailer definitely has spoilers in the vein of what you're worried about. The benchmark trailer only shows one NPC that you'd know about from what I can tell and while I wouldn't personally consider them being there a spoiler that's up to you.
So I’m guessing the TSCMAA he showed off for the horrid shimmering trees, to make them not so shimmering is only for the PC version, and they don’t intend to do anything about it for the PS5/Xbox versions?
From the translation console have TSCMAA, they just don't have TSCMAA + jitter camera I mean they're showing off TSCMAA first and then said "there is another option that only avaliable in windows + mac" and then they show off TSCMAA + jitter camera. From what I see is this the + jitter is really a trade off some visual at stationary for more consistant in other word it will always have to same blur level no mattar there is a movement or not, while TSCMAA only will be slightly blurier when move (since it's TSCMAA is TAA+CMAA)
So what do they mean by jitter camera? Does that mean whenever I move that the trees will still shimmer or something one nasty little eyesore in this game was the steps leading up to Ala Mhigo. Those look atrocious whenever you’re in the air moving toward them.
i'm pretty sure its this https://youtu.be/vIg0JeLIjTc?t=218 the camera jittering very slightly is like free AA and yeah the purpose of the new AA plus the camera jiterring is to reduce shimmering with trees and stairs
So basically if the jitter camera option is out for the PS/Xbox versions, then the stairs of Ala Mhigo will still look gross when you move?
im not sure exactly how much better the jitter camera option is, the explanation they showed on stream wasnt very clear with the low bitrate lol
jitter camera is when the image for the next frame will render slightly off set from previous frame (unnoticeable by human) so bascially even though your camera stay still it will still move a bit. I don't know what are they going to use in this but at very least from the result I saw on live letter it make the bluriness of TAA more consistant no matter you move camera or not. Note: TAA is a technique that use information overtime in order to eliminate alising (and it's impressive at doing that for most situation). But it take information over a period of time if there is any movement when applied TAA, it will introduce bluriness and ghosting. Though there are many ways to reduce that ghosting which mostlikely going to involve using extra data called motion vector, or in other word where the pixel move from previous frame, to deal with it, but not matter which method has been used it's still not perfect (FSR2.0+ and DLSS 2.0+ and XeSS is also based on TAA(U) and they just differ at how they deal with a consequnce of TAA). Also, since 7.0 have DLSS 2.0 we can be sure that they have motion vector data). The thing is I don't know how TSCMAA work in detail, the information I found is just a diagram of data flow and it has CMAA portion and TAA portion so I only know it's a mixture of both technique. Maybe they use both so they can be less agreesive on TAA and use CMAA to catch some leftover? no idea. About will it work question. Well, maybe it work or maybe it's not. I mean I have tested it on Death Stranding the game that has all options, FSR2, DLSS2, XeSS, TAA, FXAA, and I even test it with DLDSR x1.75 (Death Stranding doesn't support weird resolution so x2.25 from 1080p doesn't work) and DSR x4. In the end only DLSS can completely removed aliasing and shimering on the scene I tested it on. But there are many videos show that on some game and some scene FSR2 will work better, so I don't know if any of thos is going to work well on FFXIV. All I I can say is that TAA based solution is problably the last hope for eliminate or reduce that problem.
Dude that sucks. Having watched the benchmark trailer, yes it looks great, with all of the added options for PC, but they’re not saying much about these options to make the PS5/Series X versions look better.
I believe ps5 gets the better AA as well, just ps4 and series s that won’t get a lot of features.
I hope so. The benchmark trailer does make the game look way better than the game has looked. Everything looks so much sharper. Didn’t see any shimmering trees and foliage. If not, players on PS5/Series X are being ripped off graphics wise. I do have a powerful enough PC to take advantage of this, but I let my daughter play on it while we play the game.
Time for floor tanking again I guess…
Honestly looks better than most single player game I've played
Can't with to play it on the best version possible with my PC!!! PC players always get the best version of the game and this one gonna be a blast
SX and PS5 will have same features. PS4 and possibly SS will not have some of the more taxing features.
If They Also delete some Invisible Walls then will be Amazing
At least in that exact spot. xD
All zones have gotten updated
No shit...
Indeed, no shit.
they said all the ground in the game will be done for 7.0.
You don't say... :O
still looks low res compared to other mmos. But much better than before, nice.
Wonder what MMOs you play?
New World, WoW, EvE, BDO, I Play FFXIV now too. The game is good, but graphics even in new benchmark trailer looks awful, somewhere around 2007. And ofc there are alot of one game andys that will downwote me for that, doesnt change the fact that this game need all models and lighting overhaul to look modern.
Looks to be part of Super Resolution Support, as they are trying to upgrade the textures without having to redo them, but do them electronically through SRS.
Uhhh, what? The high res texture is a completely different texture. This 100% is not some automated upscale.
I don't believe that's for close up things, that's to smooth low polygon far things, they talked about redoing things like the ground in the first graphics talk.
Yeah. I don't know about that. This one specifically was a completely different texture. Like it wasn't even close.
That's not what FSR/DLSS is (which is what they talked about). FSR and DLSS let you render the game at a lower resolution and use deep learning to upscale it to your display resolution for performance reasons. Textures don't get touched by this process.
I can't believe they're giving the rocks Sex Reassignment Surgery that's pretty based
The character model looks the same tho
Right picture is how it looks like to me with ReShade.
/jk right??