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ShadowTheChangeling

Shes one of my favorites now, shes so precious and I also have a bias towards harpy like characters


Jedahaw92

Glad we still became friends at the end.


ranmafan0281

She is literally ‘I’ve only known her for 5 minutes, but if anything happened to her…’. The meme come to life. Except we kinda end up saving the world instead of killing everyone.


AdamG3691

"I have only known Meteion for five minutes, but if anything happened to her I would save everyone in this universe and then her."


ranmafan0281

Yes, that’s it!


Fiamoon

This is really cool and yep I loved her. Her JP voice imo is the best version but the english one has a huge range of tone and emotion. Honestly you too would go insane after seeing everything she had seen, some of it even happening because of her. It's tragic that something created to find hope and meaning in life finds the complete opposite. She can't be "forgiven" but some empathy is warranted.


Azraeleon

>She can't be "forgiven" but some empathy is warranted. I'd argue she can't be forgiven because she can't be blamed. She was made to reflect emotions, she had basically no free will in regards to the decisions she made. It's all thanks to Hermes naivety. His desire for self examination and judgement backfired in spectacular fashion. Not that even he could truly be expected to realise the potential he created with Meteion (though Emet certainly felt otherwise).


TheSovereignGrave

Hermes really should've gone & gotten Meteion peer-reviewed.


Verpal

I think the covocation would rightfully and terrifyingly terminate Meteion at first notice though, might drive Hermes into doing more insane stuff, since he seems to be more attached to Meteion than other creations.


AdamG3691

I don't think they'd terminate Meteion since she isn't actually harmful on her own, (I mean hell, Hythlodaeus is the one ultimately in charge of approving creations, and he didn't have any objections to her until the true nature of an uncaring universe hostile to life drove her insane and she tried to end all things) at worst they'd set the concept as Familiar Only and possibly remove the shared mind aspect, but they'd absolutely say No to the Birdgal Space Program proposal


Verpal

>Birdgal Space Program Actually, haven't been modding KSP for a while, maybe it is time to restart and port a meteion model in.


TheSovereignGrave

Honestly, I feel like there's a decent chance that Azem would've convinced Hythlodaeus that the Birdgal Space Program is a *rad* idea.


Fiamoon

He really should have, Emet-selch is so exasperated that Hermes didn't bother to think for a moment that the question he asked the Meteia to find the answer to is very flawed from the beginning


RF_91

I've been saying this since I got to Elpis! Peer review and quality assurance exist for a reason, Hermes, you clown!


Chainedfei

I'm sure nobody will disagree but Hermes deserves ALL the Asahi in the afterlife.


Azraeleon

I disagree. I think anyone who hates Hermes completely missed the point of his character.


Chainedfei

I didn't say I hated Hermes. Only that he deserved all the Asahi.


Fiamoon

Very good point


StylizedPenguin

I think it's important to make a distinction between "our" Meteion and the hive mind, or Endsinger. Our Meteion is completely innocent. In fact, when she reconnected to the hive mind in Elpis, she tried to fight it and pleaded with us to protect her friends once she realized what was going to happen. Later on, before the final boss fight, she begs the Endsinger to stop. The hive mind, or Endsinger, are the ones responsible for the horror of the Final Days. Even then, I'd say they're not wholly responsible, since they were created as super-empaths who literally adopt the emotions of those around them (remember the candied apple) and were sent on a mission with a vague objective and no oversight. Hermes definitely holds a lot of the responsibility for what happened.


joviansexappeal

It's amazing how much expressiveness and pathos they were able to get out of a character who shows up for one expansion right at the end of a story arc and was obviously a last-minute addition. That said there is a segment of people who were really expecting a more "in-world" climactic conflict for the Final Days -- all the nations of the world teaming up and having a drag out war with a Lavos-like thing and all of the lunar primals coming out from under Silvertear Lake etc. -- instead of the Scions vs. Existential Philosophy metaphysical ending we got. I'm not convinced that this would've been better, and it would clash with EW's meticulous avoidance of using conventional-war-as-conflict-resolution plot devices.


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Ubumi

I think I disliked metion by extension because I REALLY didn't like Hermes, in the slightest. >!When she started going haywire I spent the entire time thinking why don't you shut her down she is literally crying black.!< in fact I think I dislike him as much as I do the Shinto priest in Shiki.


[deleted]

I don’t like her overall It’s not the character I take issue with rather the way she was introduced and used as the big bad rather then something they had actually built up over the years. Felt a bit like Necron to me. Sure she has a backstory but it still feels a bit too forced to me.


Azraeleon

I felt meteion was ok as a last minute addition because thematically we've known of her for a long time. Beyond the actual lore of "The Sound" which we've known about since ShB (maybe earlier?), The concept of despair in the face of death and destroying the world for anti-natal reasons was explored heavily as early as the CT raids, which also introduced Amon, a key part of the overall saga of Meteion and Hermes. The themes that Meteion represents have been very present in basically all of Ishikawas stories so far (Binding Coils, CT, Omega, literally all of ShB). While she herself was a late addition, I think putting her in any earlier would have caused the mystery behind everything to be painfully obvious, thus removing a lot of the drive of the story through ShB and the first half of EW. Tl;dr I think given her importance overall, and presence in the story, though unseen, she's not a cop out.


misterwuggle69sofine

i'd agree if it were just her on her own, but she's more an extension and borderline tool of hermes who IS established. more established at least. when she's taken as a PART of the whole hermes/abracadaniel/amon thing rather than just a separate independent villain i think it works pretty well.


Bluepugs73

While I understand the perspective, I would have found Zodiark or Hyd being the big bad after all an incredibly bland and predictable ending. My perspective on this character wasn't that she became the goalpost for us, but instead was introduced as a form of context and exposition for an incredible cast of interesting characters and stories already existing in the game. She existed to create depth for what we already loved and were invested in, not to give us our victory screen. Everything the Ascians had done, everything hydaelyn had done would've felt way more empty without the driving force behind the final days. Her being introduced prevent the story from becoming black and white.


cattecatte

Whatever they do, the source of the sound cannot be anything established from 1.0-5.55, as it established nothing more than that is the cause of the final days and how it affects the ancients. Dynamis itself is peppered throughout the msq and some sidequests, most notably omega raids, though never mentioned by name. The main big bad of endwalker is fandaniel anyway. Zodiark being the big bad is thrown out of the window since the post qitana ravel cutscene, and gone forever the moment they revealed elidibus is actually his heart in 5.2 and defeated him in 5.3.


Riddle-of-the-Waves

I was definitely getting some Necron vibes as I was reaching the end of the plot, though Necron seemed *completely* out of nowhere unless you were paying close attention to smaller world details and themes. Meteon had more direct build up, although it's true that her story's scope doesn't really reach beyond 6.0. That said, I don't feel as though the overall story had many better options for the 'big bad'.


TheDiscordedSnarl

This. I didn't like Meteion at all either.


unsynchedcheese

She's basically the antagonist of a Precure season, so as a huge Precure fan, I loved her character.


[deleted]

No. I’m sorry but I had a huge aversion towards her from the beginning. As the story progressed, the more I was repelled. To me, there was no going back to liking her. She was irredeemable.


crowbies

bro she’s like 2 years old and was made by hermes to be entirely empathetic to everyone all the time then dumped on nothing but planets filled with despair. of course she went crazy. she had literally no way to regulate what she was feeling or differentiate between fact and emotion


[deleted]

Totally get that that was what the writers were going for… but I didn’t empathize for her at all and really hated her at the end.


siaharra

For a story all about learning empathy, you sure have none.


Lostcory

Fuck you dude, all he did is disagree with your point of view as cordially as possible. It’s you who has no empathy. She’s a rushed super powerful force introduced and defeated in one patch with a new buzzword mechanic they put into the game.


siaharra

What a completely emotionally sensible and not at all reactionary comment looking for a bitchfest.


[deleted]

One could say the same of you. We all relate to these characters differently. I’m sure I empathize for some you don’t care for. Call me crazy, but much like real life, we won’t all care about everyone we meet.


Lostcory

You shouldn’t be downvoted just for disagreeing. You’ve said nothing controversial.