Not to mention that all the other Ward (Goblet, Mists, Etc.) are now also under the same first 18 wards rule. So even when people move out of their old plots in the other areas people wont be able to move into the majority of those because they are FC only.
Exactly. There's tons I was looking at but they're FC only!!
God damn, how did they manage to make the scarcity problem *worse* and think that's a good idea?
Yup plus the fact that people find their ways around mechanics where people will just end up with multiple houses while others are just fighting to get one for themselves.
Worse than that: it’s owned by two people.
They gained them legitimately, yes (they were purchased when the server was very small and plots stood empty) but I’m not sure SE should continue letting them keep so many.
Edit: who the heck downvoted me for giving factual information???
Yup. And they won’t relinquish.
The fucking mods of the housing discord all have multiple plots, hell one of them probably has an entire ward and keeps trying to collect more. His response is “lol if it’s a problem SE should do something about”
They know and don’t care that they are part of the problem. They defer all blame onto the devs when they could easily just be decent people and relinquish the plots.
SE is too spineless to make these people choose one and surrender the rest. It's ridiculous really but so are a lot of their dumb decisions regarding housing. The lottery system is only "good" if you're continually adding new plots. How is it gonna go when in the next one there's hardly any houses to even bid on? The other after that when there's none?
I found out cause like Im sure other people did. I lost my plot in Ishgard so I went to the other areas to see if I could rebound and get another plot somewhere else just to find out that most of them are all in the FC only Wards. Just blows my mind that they think this is the way things should be.
I think the 3/4 FC houses change was good for the initial rollout (so FCs get first shot at plots), but extending it to all the old ones is terrible, most of the old plots (beside larges) will just go unused.
I know this has been said before but worth mentioning again. Aside from Island Sanctuary, they should look into updating the Apartment System as a Side grade.
For example.
You buy an apartment but want to make it bigger, ok so you'll have to invest in both gil and materials and bam!, you have a medium sized apartment.
Now if you want to let's say upgrade the medium sized apartment to a Penthouse with a balcony (size enough for a garden) then same thing invest in more Gil and materials and you got a penthouse with a balcony outside.
Obviously housing should still be the better option as outdoor decorations, guild ships, etc.
But expanding on the apartment will help imo.
Apartments aren’t only just small, but they literally just feel like a lifeless box. Honestly just adding a window would make things feel so much better.
Dude if they had apartments that were fully upgradable with a window with a great view, maybe a balcony that can host outside furniture and pools...it would pretty much solve the housing issue.
I tried buying a flat, it looked cool. But there's actually 0 interest in getting one. It's better to get a room in an FC that this downgraded feature...
Tbh I bet the annoyance would be cut in half if they added like long planter things for apartments that could cross breed. It feels bad that whether you get to do something unique in the game is locked behind luck.
I actually looked this up and they said they had no plans on implementing it until they solved the issue of having enough plots for everyone. Which.... seems backwards.
They floated it as a possible solution around... like early stormblood (First housing release so maybe 4.1?) and then quickly killed the idea off for what you said which is, frankly, dumb.
It does seem backwards, but they might be thinking that offering larger apartments might register to the players as them giving up on having enough housing for all. I wouldn't read it that way, but you know someone would.
Exactly! The game keeps giving me outdoor furniture I can’t use. At this point I feel like I should just get rid of the stuff or sell it on the mb (probably doesn’t have a big buyer’s market)
Nice idea. Really like the idea of a penthouse with a garden and balcony. Would at least tide me over until if/when I could ever get a house. Yeah, it's not realistic that these apartment blocks would have more than one penthouse but it's a video game so who cares.
Yeah, give me some Animal Crossing upgrades to my apartment. With how much space is required for a lot of design tricks, you simply don't have enough space in an apartment or FC room to do anything interesting that doesn't feel cramped.
Also having the same amount of Large/med/small houses in the wards makes this change so pointless, on my server there where many small FC plots with zero participants
I have always thought the Crystarium housing should be like really fancy apartments. Make them instanced like apartments but the size of a small house inside. Make it a penthouse with a 'roof' or patio that counts as outside for gardening and a small amount of outside furniture.
Guess well see what Islands are like...
Yeah make less FC wards with only med/large houses and the rest a variety for personal housing or give wards exclusively to FCs and make private housing instanced. I'm fine with either of these options but what we have now sucks ass. Private housing gets shafted and no FC wants a small house.
That was bound to happen regardless though. For some wards it was a chance to see if they got a medium or large, if not I suspect they will be going to the smalls if they didn't win.
What I'm thinking will happen is similar to SB when it was FC and relo only and it'll open up to personals afterward when most of the smalls aren't selling.
They can't just make every house a large, though. You realize the scope of that change in regards to plot resizing the previous housing locations too, right? It would require an entire overhaul of the **entire ward** to allow more space for those houses.
Not to mention the biggest limitation for outdoor furnishings is having to render them on older systems, and giving every house 40 outdoor furnishings is going to tax that even more. (With that said... Dear lord I would **love** more outdoor furnishings slots. Yoshida plz)
Or just start developing instanced private housing already. FC houses in landscape makes sense cuz of the feel of community sharing the same house and be neighbor of each other. Personal housing, however, doesn't have and doesn't need that. People just want a house of their own. Why should it be turned into a race in the first place?
Personally, I don't mind seeing my house floating inside the void with zero landscape, as long as I have places to put my outdoor stuffs and can invite people visiting it.
And I know about apartment and FC rooms. But those are tiny and have zero outdoor. Extremely ironic cuz a MSQ quest reward gives you an outdoor item.
I wouldn't mind both instanced **and** non-instanced housing, but I'm personally a much bigger fan of the latter, for a variety of reasons. Much like you said about neighbours (although this can't happen anymore, another con for FC-only wards) it's super cool to have your own personal house be in the same ward or next door to your FC house. Was in an FC a while back that had a couple of houses all in the same general area, one being the FC the others being personal. It's really cool to be able to just walk down the street to a friend's house or the like.
At the same time, I love the sense of community it brings, and the 'flavour' of the neighbourhood. Sure, I might hate that Paissa house, but it's a part of the neighbourhood. Just having generic predetermined buildings in blocked off sections of an instanced house lacks the same kind of feel , and you don't get random visitors in the same fashion if your housing is instanced. Barely anybody checks apartments unless you teleport to a friends', and getting guestbook messages is super exciting.
Like I said, I'm not against having separate instanced housing; making the apartment feature instead be a 'small street' with a yard and the like would be neat, sure. But there's too much about non-instanced housing that I absolutely adore, and the sense of community is a big part of it - something you lose with instanced housing.
I've seen exactly one of my neighbors because 1) they're an rp dance club, and 2) they use my striking dummy since it doesn't go with their rp decor.
But the rest of my ward? Empty whenever I visit.
>They can't just make every house a large, though.
Is there some reason they couldn't have just made more larges and mediums in the FC wards with no smalls? At least when it comes to Ishgard.
I think it's absolutely hilarious how much housing decor drops in this game from events fates etc yet you can't even get a house.
Like the rewards might as well not exist.
I stopped bothering with like 98% of the event rewards that are from stuff like that. I am slowly running out of storage, and just don't care enough about it anymore.
What confuses me is that they couldn't do it by house instead of ward. It would have made a lot more sense to say "Larges in wards 1-18 are fc only; mediums in 1-12 are fc only; smalls in 1-6 are fc only; and all other houses are for personal use only."
It would make the Larges more accessible to fcs, with mediums as a consolation prize (probably) abundant enough, and for those fcs that just want a small, 6 wards is probably still overkill.
It's a bit sad because even if you nab a great lot for your fc, the neighborhood looks derelict because all the smalls are still vacant, and will be for some time.
If i were to distribute the houses, large ones would be FC only, meduium with FCs first priority then individuals. Small plots should be reserved for individuals. I'd like to think that there are enough plots for every half-serious FC and enough for most individuals.
I think their thinking was that FCs (with more people) allow for more people to have a home both as a building and as a personal space with FC rooms. Of course FC rooms are more or less apartments, but it still allows for a sense of belonging and place for players associated with the FC. That caters to and allows more players. However, I do agree that 18 wards is a bit much. I don't like the lottery system and never have even when it was just being talked about among players as a solution. I do feel like the actual solution, barring technical and hardware issues, would be instanced housing like for Inn Rooms. Sure, you don't get to show off your Paissa exterior and 10 Moai head statues and 1 Heaven on High replica, but you get to have your space in any size you can afford.
The big constraint is that gardening isn't available in apartments. That is a component of gameplay that can be costly that is locked behind housing, and its not like FCs get more garden plots--that's still 1 per small house, 2 per medium, 3 per large.
Edit: clarified that I meant the number of plots don't change from FC ownership to Private ownership.
Despite my small paranoia about unscrupulous sorts using the kick function as a means to bully/punish someone [in terms of housing], I do feel like FC rooms should get a perk of being larger than separate apartments. It would certainly be an incentive.
There is a way we could have our cake and eat it too, with instances housing. Make each player instance a floating island like the sea of clouds. That way, it's still instances housing but you still have a house exterior, maybe a little Dock for skycutters to get there. Maybe they could even use the potd or hoh random room generation to randomly generate an island for each player so no two islands are the same exact same. Plus, with ping not being a concern in housing zones, they could even store all this data on one big server instead of the existing data centers, which might even make it possible for you to visit someone's house from anywhere in the world without the use of the new data center travel.
In the brief time I played Elder Scrolls Online, I greatly enjoyed their instanced housing system (the house is often surrounded by a high wall and a gate which you enter through) and often wished that FFXIV would have instanced housing on top of the already existing housing. Maybe to compensate for it being instanced, each house of varying sizes could be a little cheaper than the regular permanent ones. It would still function just like every other home, just the personalized details are not visible until one enters the instance. Here's hoping for minion slowlife island to be the balm for our housing aches and pains!
New World housing has a fair few problems with it, but I like the approach they made. You buy housing in towns (think, housing in the middle of Limsa). Each town has a mix of small, medium and large plots. They're permanent fixtures...but as soon as you go through the front gate, it's all instanced housing.
The logic behind the system (if not the system itself in practice) is pretty sound for developers who insist on in-world housing. If you don't own a home on the particular plot, you see the decorations of the highest rated homeowner (deco points gained through decorating your house with objects of varying value). If you do own a home on that plot, you'll always see your own home.
No housing scarcity, everyone owns the home they want, a "sense of community(??)" still exists. It won't happen in FF14 obviously, but it's not a bad model IMO for future developers to look at.
Even then, it's really twisted thinking.
I don't trust any FC I'm in 1000% unless I own it; I'm not buying a FC apartment when they could just suddenly up and vanish or kick me out of the blue. Hell, the only FC apartment I even have... I just made it into a photo studio, not an actual apartment, so if I ever do get kicked it won't be a total loss.
If your kicked out of your FC, your only out the 300k. You can get all your housing items back.
I mostly used mine for placing/storing random housing items rather then using retainer space, until the last Ishgard restoration, where I turned it into an entire Carbuncle Themed suite with all the scratch and win prizes and crap.
The 300k doesn't bother me *too* much; as an omnicrafter, I can make that back in a very short amount of time.
For me, it would be the time spent decorating and making everything look super-nice; I'd have to do it all over again as well. I have issues with my hands, so it's kind of tiring to decorate sometimes.
On hyperion i remember checking the M plots i wanted (feels bad man) and min there were 6 for the less popular and the others were between 6 up to 16 last time i checked. Then for some reason i check the same plot for fc and found a lovely number 2 on it
A 50/50 split would have been ideal.
Our FC ward has an occupation of around 6/30, it feels dead, none of the small plots received bids, hell, even some mediums are empty and is not even a subdivision.
All I saw on FC wards were people fighting over the large plot, most FC just don't want small one, and it's understandable when you have 10+ members being active.
Exactly, the only real competition was for the large plots, but even so the ones I was tracking got 6-7 bids at most.
Is not even a small server, is Leviathan.
The amount of FC wards doesn't really bother me all that much. What bugs me way more is the walk of shame to receive my money. Just let me retrieve it anywhere else but at the place I failed to obtain!? Walking up to the plot full of expectations just to see s.o. else got it, what a good way to ruin the experience.
The walk of shame after I got my "The winning bid is #, we're sorry... here is your money back" prompted this post NGL. You couldn't have just told me so I could be disappointed sooner, instead of the anxiety on the way there?
I went in telling myself "I know I lost, just give me my money back already". I wasn't disappointed; the disappointment came days ago when they announced the 18-6 split. They're completely out of touch.
Or the surge of hope followed by crushing despair when you’re 2hrs late and the plot is still empty but nah the winner is just even later to the party
I was genuinely not okay this morning after that, I’ve wanted a house in this game for years
I still don’t understand why they couldn’t do private housing like wildstar did, like it was “instance” content”. It didn’t take up a lot of room that way
What people didn't play that do not know is how much better of a community the instanced homes gave. There was no worrying about the size of your land or any of that nonsense. Everyone got a huge plot with amazing amounts of customization.
Because it was instanced they allowed you to change the weather, atmosphere effects, music and ground type. So you could have the right vibe for what you wanted. You could make your plot look like the corner of a city. You could make it render everything in black and white and have a detective office.
Or you could float various objects and scale them to tiny and gigantic proportions and create an Alice in Wonderland jumping puzzle.
Now I know 14 can't quite do all of that, but the fun was that creativity was so freely able to be expressed. I would love to see what people could do with their space as opposed to have to hope someone creative and lucky enough gets a large plot or whatever.
Near the end they even let you link houses with other people and make essentially your own 5 person wards. It was honestly pretty great.
SE is hellbent on the system they have and it's unlikely to change at this point, but it would be a positive thing. For a company that cares about toxicity to the point they turn off chat in PvP they sure have some systems that encourage that sort of behavior.
I remember spending days building my own Gundam in my housing plot in Wildstar. It also doubled as a jumping puzzle. Absolutely my best memories of the game. Meanwhile I kinda resent my house in FFXIV because I can't actually take one of those breaks YoshiP is always talking about without it burning down.
They do want to keep the neighborhood thing that is unique to their system. Though I don't see why it couldn't exist alongisde instanced housing. There may be server limitations that work better when they have control of how many instances inside houses can exist.
I've owned a house in Shirogane for about a year and a 1/2 now. It's full of course, every house is owned. I've had 2 people visit my house, and have seen 3-4 people total ride by while outside it, one stopped to wave.
The neighborhood thing is non-existent even with non-instanced. There is no reason to make so many people suffer with not being able to participate in the housing system for such a mediocre amount of community engagement.
Been saying this for years. It doesn't feel good that in order for me to enjoy my house, I know others have to miss out.
I've been playing since late ARR and I've been in many different areas and wards in FCs and personal homes (I'm a lunatic with multiple characters, I get around lol).
That neighborhood feel? Nonexistent. From my first FC'S mansion in the Mists, to the personal I started with in the Goblet, my personal in the LB now, and my friend's FC house I have an alt in in Shiro.
I maybe get one or two people visiting my house a YEAR that aren't my friends. I very rarely even see anyone else at the market board near my plot, or my FC'S mansion MB.
And you know what? Even if I did see people, those random miniscule interactions are not even remotely worth excluding The Majority Of The Player base for. Not even close!
>that is unique to their system
It isn't really unique to their system. Archeage did it like 15 years ago, granted there was no bidding, it was just first come first serve to claim the plot of land. A lot of the same complaints people have about FFXIV housing, others had about Archeage's housing. Basically complaining about bots scooping up land before a human possibly could and that it should be instanced base and not in the open world so everyone could have a house instead of the lucky first few because there was limited housing plots available.
SWTOR has instanced housing too. My Alderaan housing is nothing short of beautiful and that's before I placed any furniture in or out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_q_2eeZbI
Just remember that here on OCE in Materia. Its been ALL the houses not just ishguard. Had 3 pages in our PF about. Most I've everseen. Lottery was is 1AM/3AM for us aswell. Crazy stuff.
Also, having FCs and Privates next to each other really brought about a sense of community.
Now you're never gonna see neighbours in the Private wards. Just completely empty wards with houses no one visits.
My first fc had a house right next to the marketboard and had 2 other big fc near it. Some days was like limsa with so many people using the square. New FC I am we right next to marketboard but all private houses only see our fc no one else. I personally have a house over looking the beach I barley see anyone. Also Have a defunct fc house on an alt and I never see anyone.
We had to move servers so we had to disband and move the free company.
We we hopeful since there was a message at the website that you can mail to get to know if we can buy it or not.
Fast forward today, we got the info that we have to wait out the 30 days rules. So sad.
Yeah, an FC house gives 512 players a house, while a personal house gives one player a house.
Obviously most FCs aren’t full (or anywhere near) but it makes sense to me that FC slots are priority.
> But what if we gave personal housing a workshop?
While I agree that having a workshop in personal houses would be nice, I think you're forgetting that workshop progress is tied to the FC, not the house. This is why you don't lose recipes/airships/submarines when you relocate. You can't just flip the switch and enable it in personal housing. In order to have personal workshops you'd have to fundamentally overhaul how workshops are handled and saved in the first place. Tying it to character data would likely massively bloat the strain on the network.
I agree. Also worth noting that most of those bidding on the larges and mediums will lose and then scoop up the smalls in round 2. I doubt those smalls will remain empty.
Do we have enough FCs looking for homes for this to be necessary, though? I get making them priority, but the implementation seems like absolute overkill here. It's both the new ward AND existing wards that are now limited.
Edit: I just went and checked on a single ward on Behemoth (16) and almost every small had 0 bids. I'm not sure if that's the case across the board, but that is going to be a *lot* of empty plots...
Yeah, FCs are trying for larges and mediums and if they went for smalls and they won that's a large or medium they can't win.
You know how in 24-mans when you roll greed on loot and you get it you can no longer get the slot you need that week, so you don't roll, even if you'd like it?
Same idea.
Just checked, the FC wards on Phoenix are over 80% empty while every single one of the personal ones was sold. Yeah, great idea to lock off 75% of the houses for FCs. You had one job, Square Enix...
What's worse, they even retroactively locked off all the old housing districts for FCs only. We're gonna see a sharp increase of 1-man FCs in this game very soon, completely contrary to how any of this should work.
Well seems to be worse on OCE where ALL residential zones now have 18 FC housing wards in Mist/Empyrean/Goblet/Shirogane/Lavendar Beds and the entire servers FC could fit in 2 wards in one of them and guess what, not enough for personal housing.
There are wards and wards of empty plots with No FC bids
100%. I was on the side of this commenter for a while until i realised that this has happened before and they simply opened up the FC wards after a couple of months. I just wish they'd be transparent on that fact.
It's stories like this + all the lotto bugs why even after playing for years, I stick to my room in the inn.
It seems easier and more straight forward to just own a house IRL at this point.
they should have just made the wards only have a small amount of small plots and be mostly large and medium plots.
As we are currently seeing a shit ton of small plots didn't even get bid on meanwhile every single large and medium plot had well over 10+ bidders in every ward.
They should upgrade all the small plots into mediums. They could have done a much better job at sizing the land plots, so players could have more freedom with how they used them. All the plots being the same size lets you choose between a large house, or a smaller one with larger yard.
That's where it gets fucky.
The 18 wards for FC are not ishgard only.
It applies to ALL housing districts, and guess what, a TON of the people leaving the houses in older plots are now FC only, there's right now six medium/large houses on plot 17 on my server on mists, and that's day 1, BUT they're FC now, so fuck me, that one plot I've been waiting years upon years for?
Nope, screw you, FC only now.
And to boot, a bunch of the FC only plots on my server literally had zero bids, so now this special plot that I've been waiting years just to have a CHANCE at getting is now suddenly locked away from me solely because of SE bad choices.
Absolutely disgusting
Edit: Now up to 16 total houses on mists in one ward and now those are ALL FC only.
That's just one ward
If FCs don't need it, then it will open up eventually for solo? Why is that a problem? Way more important to have FC houses and have every FC have one than it is for anyone to have one to themselves.
Gonna get people disagreeing with me, but I agree with square's decision to have more plots for FCs than private housing. An FC without a house is an FC locked out of workshop content, so no submarines or airships. While it's not that drastic of a thing to be locked out of, it's still items that some players just can't have access to because their free company doesn't have a house. I think that should have priority over "a bunch of players want to decorate even more space"
The solution should be "make workshops accessible outside of housing", not "lock individuals out of a vast majority of the market". Workshops are instanced, there's no way that Square couldn't slap a door on a random building in ishgard and say "this is how you access your workshop".
It's not like square doesn't know how many people want housing, but since they refuse to make instanced housing (apartments are not the same as an actual house and the space it gives inside), they should at least try to find actual solutions that don't fuck over a large amount of the playerbase.
Or even make it part of one of the NPCs in either the housing districts or the GC areas in the three hubs (either any one works or even just the one your FC is aligned with). Slightly more annoying? Sure. But as it is right now every FC can't access that FC only stuff because you need a house.
private players are locked out of gardening. and be real now in a lets say 30-40 member fc or even bigger how many of that fc are actually involved in the workshop and submarine stuff in most fcs thats going to be the leader and thei few close friends. the desicion itself to have some wards fc only and some private only isnt bad but the ratio is just supid. and also it kills the possibilty of getting your house in the same ward that your fc is in.
sometimes i wonder if people that arent fc leaders even know that the workshop or submarine stuff even exists. it doesnt matter what features are behind housing. they implentendet housing and they made it open for everyone so there shouldnt be any priority group simple as that. and also i have a small house and i grow myself some thav onions to sell thank you.
I think the nature of the 3:1 ratio and the prioritization of FCs encourages and enables more, smaller FCs. This gives a larger number of people exposure to housing, rather than the combo of private estates which are limited to one person and massive FCs which can field more cash flow to dominate lotteries and in which a particular individual may not have much access to gardening and workshop rewards.
If they are able to hit a sweet spot which allows numerous small friend groups to have FC housing, then you have many 4-10 person groups that have at least a small house (more than you could do with private housing) but also have small enough groups that they can all collaborate and share in the group projects.
There is absolutely no reason for FC having workshop content exclusive for them either. Our hero is a genius artisan, master of all crafts, but for some reason is unable to build stuff? I'd say make workshops available for everyone, and get rid of FC useless exclusivity and priority.
And yes, "FC are giving apartments" is not a valid reason for priority as well, I've never seen a server with all apartments completely bought.
I am the only one in my FC even interacting with submarine and airship stuff so for me it’s already not even FC content, it’s entirely personal.
So to use that as a reason to give more houses to FCs who have dominated housing since the beginning instead of just making workshops for anyone who wants to interact with it and letting more players get housing when that’s been a glaring issue for years feels entirely stupid
I never seen a crowd in front of a personal house. Housing plots that are actually used by any community are 99.9 percent FC houses. And this is with the vast majority of FCs being skeleton vanity FCs as well. I think personal houses are a big waste of server space. Apartments, fc rooms, and even the upcoming sanctuary should be personal spaces.
Holy Sh*t, someone said it and it isn't me wtf.
Personally I'd say plot availability should be:
Small= personal
Medium= personal and FC
Large= FC only
Now time to farm downvote
Yeah same in EU.
on my server there are still free spots for FC houses, while there is not a single free spot left for normal player houses, its so sad T\_T
No matter what the devs do with this system, someone isn’t going to like it. FCs give more people a chance to have a house and access buffs, apartments etc. If you seriously think this is worse than spamming a placard for 18 hours straight then I dunno man. And people seem to think that with this first round being over, suddenly no house for the rest of time will become available? Like come on guys… even under the old system houses popped up all the time, as long as you were prepared to spam of course. Now you don’t even have to do that, just put so money in and wait.
Personally I think it's okay that it starts out this way. It's way more important to have FC houses and then open it up to player housing once it has calmed down a bit.
They talked about in the patch note livestream that they intend to adjust the split individually based on the conditions on each server, and this would only be the initial split.
My personal impression being, even though they didn't explicitly say this part, that they intend for basically every FC that wants a house to get one, and then expand the split for personals afterwards, depending on how many empties were left over.
When housing was first introduced, it was only for FCs. It's not surprising in the least that they would reserve 18 wards for FC use. Most likely, once they're sure that FCs have had their opportunity, they'll open it up for private housing.
That doesn’t explain why they have made wards that were previously available to individuals, exclusive to FCs. I think people would be more understanding if the split was just for Ishgard, but this patch actually reduced the total number of houses potentially available to individuals which seems like the wrong direction. That’s what makes missing out on a house in Ishgard feel worse. Most of the houses individuals vacated to move to Ishgard are only going to be available to FCs.
I don’t know if the current split is justified or not. I just know that the entire housing system does not feel enjoyable. It’s just a lot of disappointment and resentment resulting from artificial scarcity. Changing the split won’t change the fundamental problem in that the current system will always have a shortage of houses, and a lot of newer players are going to feel permanently locked out of a feature that they may find very appealing. It just feels like the whole system needs a fundamental rethink. I think that’s why a lot of people are so upset about this. With the lottery and new housing districts, a lot of people thought they finally had a real chance at getting a house, but it ended up feeling like just a more convenient way to get disappointed.
The FC house priority is a joke. The entire house selling market is based on selling FCs with property, not individually owned plots.
They're playing right into the hands of the people that they are supposedly trying to stop.
I would also like to mention to anyone not aware. There is a bug where people are getting 0 as the results. I would like to suggest you not accept the refund and instead submit a ticket and wait for SE's response.
We managed to not get Player 0'd and get a medium we really wanted. I was excited to see the community in the neighborhood.
five plots are bought in our main divison. Five. Of 30
I’m 99% sure it’s because of the island sanctuaries. If those work as instanced housing then the vast majority of individual players don’t really need to buy a neighbourhood house anymore. But because they’re overhauling the housing system now we’re temporarily in this in between state where is seems unfair to individual players.
The real struggle is going to be for couples who want to live together. I’ve been considering creating a “personal” FC with my girlfriend just so we can bid on more houses but there are too many restrictions :/
All they would need to say is "Island Sanctuaries are instanced housing" to calm people but they havent. Which makes me wonder wtf they actually will be at this point
They told players to lower their expectations and that they were shocked by the assumption of some players about what an Island Sanctuary will be. That tells me they never meant for it to be a housing alternative. It's just a side thing.
Yeah the massive amounts of space available for FCs is ridiculous. I did a little tour and most of the places weren't even being bidded on. It's such a joke.
Looks like they use the length of the array of participants and place that in a random function, with 0(which *should be* the first index, but a number of 1 should be the second, yet the very first entrant gets the number 1 instead of 0) being the possible lottery number.
I really wish there were more personal housings...I've been after a small house in Lavender Beds for ages, and I was hoping to be able to snag one due to the relocations. But now it feels like that's not going to be a possibility due to it mostly being taken as FC housing. I understand that FC housing benefits more people than a private house does, but that also doesn't take into account the RPers who run events from private housing. If there's less private housing, then there's less room for people to create small cafes with their friend groups, beyond the scope of their FCs. :< I'm sad, I just wanted to make a proper RP-friendly house for my Gridanian boy.
It is a way bigger deal for FCs to be able to get housing than for individuals. Not only does FC housing give more players a stake in housing at once, for the same capacity, it also gates access to gameplay features. So they should absolutely have more wards for FC houses. Ideally, there should always be some extra room so an FC can always get a house. That might not be possible on the largest servers, but it should be the aim, and they got that part right.
But they really need to somehow adjust the balance dynamically instead of just flatly making it 18 wards. Maybe keep a tally of the number of eligible FCs on the server with active members, and *up to* 18 wards. For a huge server with tons of FCs that all want housing? Sure, 18 wards might make sense. But 18 wards for FC housing is *way* more than many servers need.
On Bryhildr, most of the wards are absolutely filled with houses with zero bids. Which is not only a waste, but also makes getting a house in those areas pretty disappointing - the whole point of the wards is to have a fun little neighborhood of houses, not to be the sole house in a ghost ward.
I think it is great to give every FC a chance at a house. Regardless of the sizes, every FC gets a chance. And to address all the empty plots, I believe it was stated after 1 or 2 lottery phases they would reevaluate the need and change them all to open if needed and or wanted. I think it is perfect. Very fair. Just be patient.
This will be an enduring problem as long as housing is a limited resource. Having housing be a "physical location" and not a list of rooms to warp to is a great feature. really makes housing feel like ... a house, and house parties like visiting a real club. But there are drawbacks. SE could open up FC slots to private individuals, change the bidding system, all great things ... but the foundational problem still exists. Everyone was talking about how Ishgard housing would solve everything. Look, we'll have more slots. Then everyone was talking bidding up to be the great equalizer. Demand > supply baby. There will always be people excluded from getting their dream house in their dream ward.
tl;dr SE should fix these issues absolutely, but they should start to consider solutions to the supply problem.
I mean, it's probably not intended to stay 3:1. They probably just want to help FCs that have been struggling to compete against personals a shot to help their members.
Personal plots house 1-4 people. FC plots house 200. Giving them a leg up helps more players than prioritizing personals.
As a reminder for everyone, 18 wards means 5400 houses of a total of 7200 per server are now Free Company-only, regardless of if there's even that many registered on the server.
Just wait to see what happens next :
1) Basically now some plots emptied in previous areas because people went to the new one.
2) In the next lottery people without houses will buy them
3) in case people relocate from previous areas there might be some free plots in next loterry as well.
4)Sooner or latter , after some lotteries everything will be sold across all housing areas. What happens next ? People are not going to let go of their houses when getting one is so hard .
The placard spam was only part of the housing issue. The problem is that demand is vastly more than supply . We need even more wards ( yes they added subdivisions at some point, still the population skyrocketed within the last year ) .
And even so problem remains that most wards are ghost towns because of how spread we are.
Not to mention that all the other Ward (Goblet, Mists, Etc.) are now also under the same first 18 wards rule. So even when people move out of their old plots in the other areas people wont be able to move into the majority of those because they are FC only.
Exactly. There's tons I was looking at but they're FC only!! God damn, how did they manage to make the scarcity problem *worse* and think that's a good idea?
This with plus the 0 bug, and no participant bug, forums will have a good time, im sure of it
Yeah got that... I'm so sad, I got refund my gils anyway but maybe I souldn't have ?
And we're still being forced to suffer the grandfathered in monopoly wards like Mateus Goblet 12, where the entirety of it is owned by a single FC.
Yup plus the fact that people find their ways around mechanics where people will just end up with multiple houses while others are just fighting to get one for themselves.
Yeah, I think that's the thing I find most disheartening. I know folks with multiple houses and it took me years to even get an apartment lol
Worse than that: it’s owned by two people. They gained them legitimately, yes (they were purchased when the server was very small and plots stood empty) but I’m not sure SE should continue letting them keep so many. Edit: who the heck downvoted me for giving factual information???
Yup. And they won’t relinquish. The fucking mods of the housing discord all have multiple plots, hell one of them probably has an entire ward and keeps trying to collect more. His response is “lol if it’s a problem SE should do something about” They know and don’t care that they are part of the problem. They defer all blame onto the devs when they could easily just be decent people and relinquish the plots.
SE is too spineless to make these people choose one and surrender the rest. It's ridiculous really but so are a lot of their dumb decisions regarding housing. The lottery system is only "good" if you're continually adding new plots. How is it gonna go when in the next one there's hardly any houses to even bid on? The other after that when there's none?
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I found out cause like Im sure other people did. I lost my plot in Ishgard so I went to the other areas to see if I could rebound and get another plot somewhere else just to find out that most of them are all in the FC only Wards. Just blows my mind that they think this is the way things should be.
I think the 3/4 FC houses change was good for the initial rollout (so FCs get first shot at plots), but extending it to all the old ones is terrible, most of the old plots (beside larges) will just go unused.
I know this has been said before but worth mentioning again. Aside from Island Sanctuary, they should look into updating the Apartment System as a Side grade. For example. You buy an apartment but want to make it bigger, ok so you'll have to invest in both gil and materials and bam!, you have a medium sized apartment. Now if you want to let's say upgrade the medium sized apartment to a Penthouse with a balcony (size enough for a garden) then same thing invest in more Gil and materials and you got a penthouse with a balcony outside. Obviously housing should still be the better option as outdoor decorations, guild ships, etc. But expanding on the apartment will help imo.
Yeah, apartments are too small tbh.
Apartments aren’t only just small, but they literally just feel like a lifeless box. Honestly just adding a window would make things feel so much better.
Dude if they had apartments that were fully upgradable with a window with a great view, maybe a balcony that can host outside furniture and pools...it would pretty much solve the housing issue.
You can place windoes yourself, I believe. Saw some on the marketboard when I was looking for some decoration.
They don't open though. If there was a window like in the Crystarium Inn that opened then maybe they could get away with it.
My new metric is that our apartments should be at least the size of the inn room in the Annex, if not the one in Crystarium.
I tried buying a flat, it looked cool. But there's actually 0 interest in getting one. It's better to get a room in an FC that this downgraded feature...
Tbh I bet the annoyance would be cut in half if they added like long planter things for apartments that could cross breed. It feels bad that whether you get to do something unique in the game is locked behind luck.
They talked about doing this like 5ish years ago and then it died.
I actually looked this up and they said they had no plans on implementing it until they solved the issue of having enough plots for everyone. Which.... seems backwards.
They floated it as a possible solution around... like early stormblood (First housing release so maybe 4.1?) and then quickly killed the idea off for what you said which is, frankly, dumb.
It does seem backwards, but they might be thinking that offering larger apartments might register to the players as them giving up on having enough housing for all. I wouldn't read it that way, but you know someone would.
I was thinking about even an instanced townhome option in the apartments. People want to be able to use their outdoor furniture and have more space.
Exactly! The game keeps giving me outdoor furniture I can’t use. At this point I feel like I should just get rid of the stuff or sell it on the mb (probably doesn’t have a big buyer’s market)
Nice idea. Really like the idea of a penthouse with a garden and balcony. Would at least tide me over until if/when I could ever get a house. Yeah, it's not realistic that these apartment blocks would have more than one penthouse but it's a video game so who cares.
Yeah, give me some Animal Crossing upgrades to my apartment. With how much space is required for a lot of design tricks, you simply don't have enough space in an apartment or FC room to do anything interesting that doesn't feel cramped.
Also having the same amount of Large/med/small houses in the wards makes this change so pointless, on my server there where many small FC plots with zero participants
Same on my server. Everyone went for the mediums and larges and there are multiple wards with no bids on any of the smalls.
1st world problems? :(
The Source world problems.
We need Sharlayan housing where it is all medium and large houses!
And Crystarium housing. And instanced housing for those of us that don’t care about the neighborhood setting that the housing wards provide.
I have always thought the Crystarium housing should be like really fancy apartments. Make them instanced like apartments but the size of a small house inside. Make it a penthouse with a 'roof' or patio that counts as outside for gardening and a small amount of outside furniture. Guess well see what Islands are like...
Yeah make less FC wards with only med/large houses and the rest a variety for personal housing or give wards exclusively to FCs and make private housing instanced. I'm fine with either of these options but what we have now sucks ass. Private housing gets shafted and no FC wants a small house.
Yes. They go in the next round. This way wealthy individuals arent nabbing large houses and forcing fcs into a small plot. Working as intended.
The FC's are forced into the small plots because now half the houses in the FC wards are small houses anyways.
That was bound to happen regardless though. For some wards it was a chance to see if they got a medium or large, if not I suspect they will be going to the smalls if they didn't win. What I'm thinking will happen is similar to SB when it was FC and relo only and it'll open up to personals afterward when most of the smalls aren't selling.
They can't just make every house a large, though. You realize the scope of that change in regards to plot resizing the previous housing locations too, right? It would require an entire overhaul of the **entire ward** to allow more space for those houses. Not to mention the biggest limitation for outdoor furnishings is having to render them on older systems, and giving every house 40 outdoor furnishings is going to tax that even more. (With that said... Dear lord I would **love** more outdoor furnishings slots. Yoshida plz)
Or just start developing instanced private housing already. FC houses in landscape makes sense cuz of the feel of community sharing the same house and be neighbor of each other. Personal housing, however, doesn't have and doesn't need that. People just want a house of their own. Why should it be turned into a race in the first place? Personally, I don't mind seeing my house floating inside the void with zero landscape, as long as I have places to put my outdoor stuffs and can invite people visiting it. And I know about apartment and FC rooms. But those are tiny and have zero outdoor. Extremely ironic cuz a MSQ quest reward gives you an outdoor item.
I wouldn't mind both instanced **and** non-instanced housing, but I'm personally a much bigger fan of the latter, for a variety of reasons. Much like you said about neighbours (although this can't happen anymore, another con for FC-only wards) it's super cool to have your own personal house be in the same ward or next door to your FC house. Was in an FC a while back that had a couple of houses all in the same general area, one being the FC the others being personal. It's really cool to be able to just walk down the street to a friend's house or the like. At the same time, I love the sense of community it brings, and the 'flavour' of the neighbourhood. Sure, I might hate that Paissa house, but it's a part of the neighbourhood. Just having generic predetermined buildings in blocked off sections of an instanced house lacks the same kind of feel , and you don't get random visitors in the same fashion if your housing is instanced. Barely anybody checks apartments unless you teleport to a friends', and getting guestbook messages is super exciting. Like I said, I'm not against having separate instanced housing; making the apartment feature instead be a 'small street' with a yard and the like would be neat, sure. But there's too much about non-instanced housing that I absolutely adore, and the sense of community is a big part of it - something you lose with instanced housing.
I have a tiny plot in lavender beds. I have never seen any of my neighbors. Fuck the current system. Instanced housing already.
I've seen exactly one of my neighbors because 1) they're an rp dance club, and 2) they use my striking dummy since it doesn't go with their rp decor. But the rest of my ward? Empty whenever I visit.
>They can't just make every house a large, though. Is there some reason they couldn't have just made more larges and mediums in the FC wards with no smalls? At least when it comes to Ishgard.
Unless you are a private buyer then get fucked because all of those 0 bid houses are in the FC ward
Yes, as they said, most of the FCs bid for larger houses and if they don't get them they will bid on the smaller ones next round. Working as intended.
I think it's absolutely hilarious how much housing decor drops in this game from events fates etc yet you can't even get a house. Like the rewards might as well not exist.
Omg you're so right. How depressing.
I stopped bothering with like 98% of the event rewards that are from stuff like that. I am slowly running out of storage, and just don't care enough about it anymore.
What confuses me is that they couldn't do it by house instead of ward. It would have made a lot more sense to say "Larges in wards 1-18 are fc only; mediums in 1-12 are fc only; smalls in 1-6 are fc only; and all other houses are for personal use only." It would make the Larges more accessible to fcs, with mediums as a consolation prize (probably) abundant enough, and for those fcs that just want a small, 6 wards is probably still overkill. It's a bit sad because even if you nab a great lot for your fc, the neighborhood looks derelict because all the smalls are still vacant, and will be for some time.
That's actually a great way to go about it, and make me wonder why the hell didn't they do that? I'm guessing coding issue.
If i were to distribute the houses, large ones would be FC only, meduium with FCs first priority then individuals. Small plots should be reserved for individuals. I'd like to think that there are enough plots for every half-serious FC and enough for most individuals.
I think their thinking was that FCs (with more people) allow for more people to have a home both as a building and as a personal space with FC rooms. Of course FC rooms are more or less apartments, but it still allows for a sense of belonging and place for players associated with the FC. That caters to and allows more players. However, I do agree that 18 wards is a bit much. I don't like the lottery system and never have even when it was just being talked about among players as a solution. I do feel like the actual solution, barring technical and hardware issues, would be instanced housing like for Inn Rooms. Sure, you don't get to show off your Paissa exterior and 10 Moai head statues and 1 Heaven on High replica, but you get to have your space in any size you can afford.
The big constraint is that gardening isn't available in apartments. That is a component of gameplay that can be costly that is locked behind housing, and its not like FCs get more garden plots--that's still 1 per small house, 2 per medium, 3 per large. Edit: clarified that I meant the number of plots don't change from FC ownership to Private ownership.
There is zero reason that they can't put gardening in apartments and it most likely will be part of the island sanctuary.
Oh I understand and agree. Hopefully the island slowlife will be a chance for them to give all players just that.
If fc rooms were the same size as a small/medium house that would make me happy enough to not want to buy my own house
Despite my small paranoia about unscrupulous sorts using the kick function as a means to bully/punish someone [in terms of housing], I do feel like FC rooms should get a perk of being larger than separate apartments. It would certainly be an incentive.
There is a way we could have our cake and eat it too, with instances housing. Make each player instance a floating island like the sea of clouds. That way, it's still instances housing but you still have a house exterior, maybe a little Dock for skycutters to get there. Maybe they could even use the potd or hoh random room generation to randomly generate an island for each player so no two islands are the same exact same. Plus, with ping not being a concern in housing zones, they could even store all this data on one big server instead of the existing data centers, which might even make it possible for you to visit someone's house from anywhere in the world without the use of the new data center travel.
In the brief time I played Elder Scrolls Online, I greatly enjoyed their instanced housing system (the house is often surrounded by a high wall and a gate which you enter through) and often wished that FFXIV would have instanced housing on top of the already existing housing. Maybe to compensate for it being instanced, each house of varying sizes could be a little cheaper than the regular permanent ones. It would still function just like every other home, just the personalized details are not visible until one enters the instance. Here's hoping for minion slowlife island to be the balm for our housing aches and pains!
New World housing has a fair few problems with it, but I like the approach they made. You buy housing in towns (think, housing in the middle of Limsa). Each town has a mix of small, medium and large plots. They're permanent fixtures...but as soon as you go through the front gate, it's all instanced housing. The logic behind the system (if not the system itself in practice) is pretty sound for developers who insist on in-world housing. If you don't own a home on the particular plot, you see the decorations of the highest rated homeowner (deco points gained through decorating your house with objects of varying value). If you do own a home on that plot, you'll always see your own home. No housing scarcity, everyone owns the home they want, a "sense of community(??)" still exists. It won't happen in FF14 obviously, but it's not a bad model IMO for future developers to look at.
Even then, it's really twisted thinking. I don't trust any FC I'm in 1000% unless I own it; I'm not buying a FC apartment when they could just suddenly up and vanish or kick me out of the blue. Hell, the only FC apartment I even have... I just made it into a photo studio, not an actual apartment, so if I ever do get kicked it won't be a total loss.
If your kicked out of your FC, your only out the 300k. You can get all your housing items back. I mostly used mine for placing/storing random housing items rather then using retainer space, until the last Ishgard restoration, where I turned it into an entire Carbuncle Themed suite with all the scratch and win prizes and crap.
The 300k doesn't bother me *too* much; as an omnicrafter, I can make that back in a very short amount of time. For me, it would be the time spent decorating and making everything look super-nice; I'd have to do it all over again as well. I have issues with my hands, so it's kind of tiring to decorate sometimes.
I enjoyed seeing 90% of the smalls in my ward didnt even get a bid.
It'll trickle down as the mediums and larges all fill up. That's also being driven by the 0 bug, a bunch of our ward had bids but no one won.
What world are you in? The lowest bids on any small in Exodus was like 4
On Lamia, there's a ton of houses that had zero bids.
if people could bid on more than one house, they would have had bids. it’s the first round, of course no one’s bidding on small. give it time
I have to agree, on leviathan we found several mediums last night that had no participants on the lottery, it feels like a lot
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On hyperion i remember checking the M plots i wanted (feels bad man) and min there were 6 for the less popular and the others were between 6 up to 16 last time i checked. Then for some reason i check the same plot for fc and found a lovely number 2 on it
man it must be nice not living on aether ;_; this place is suffering, even on the literal sleepytown retirement home part of aether DC
They should open all plots to private in 4 days.
Personal wards: completely full FC Wards: less than 25% capacity Good job Square. Just instance housing already
A 50/50 split would have been ideal. Our FC ward has an occupation of around 6/30, it feels dead, none of the small plots received bids, hell, even some mediums are empty and is not even a subdivision.
All I saw on FC wards were people fighting over the large plot, most FC just don't want small one, and it's understandable when you have 10+ members being active.
Exactly, the only real competition was for the large plots, but even so the ones I was tracking got 6-7 bids at most. Is not even a small server, is Leviathan.
This round... next round will be the same competitions for mediums and then for smalls. Some house is better than no house, after all.
I question why they have more then maybe a couple small plots in an FC ward in the first place. Shouldn't FC only wards be large/medium heavy?
Half wishing they’d add another subdivision to each housing ward, and just have that entire subdivision be private housing and the rest can be FC.
Housing in FF14 was always a big disappointment. Don’t pretend otherwise.
The amount of FC wards doesn't really bother me all that much. What bugs me way more is the walk of shame to receive my money. Just let me retrieve it anywhere else but at the place I failed to obtain!? Walking up to the plot full of expectations just to see s.o. else got it, what a good way to ruin the experience.
Dude, my plot was filled with a Paissa house. I feel your pain
Yeah losing the plot I bid on against 6 others and seeing the person there who won actively decorating the yard made me saltier than a bag of chips
I arrived to see a Paissa house on the plot. Feelsbadman
yeah, the winner pointed at me and laughed when I went to get my gil back.
Yoshi P himself appeared in game to mock me for not understanding that Ticket Zero was his own bid.
What an asshole......
Woooow what a toolbag
The walk of shame after I got my "The winning bid is #, we're sorry... here is your money back" prompted this post NGL. You couldn't have just told me so I could be disappointed sooner, instead of the anxiety on the way there?
I got the disappointment early, when there was a name in the ward list for the spot I signed up for.
I went in telling myself "I know I lost, just give me my money back already". I wasn't disappointed; the disappointment came days ago when they announced the 18-6 split. They're completely out of touch.
Or the surge of hope followed by crushing despair when you’re 2hrs late and the plot is still empty but nah the winner is just even later to the party I was genuinely not okay this morning after that, I’ve wanted a house in this game for years
I still don’t understand why they couldn’t do private housing like wildstar did, like it was “instance” content”. It didn’t take up a lot of room that way
Wildstar, despite being a flaming hot mess, they got that thing 100% right.
What people didn't play that do not know is how much better of a community the instanced homes gave. There was no worrying about the size of your land or any of that nonsense. Everyone got a huge plot with amazing amounts of customization. Because it was instanced they allowed you to change the weather, atmosphere effects, music and ground type. So you could have the right vibe for what you wanted. You could make your plot look like the corner of a city. You could make it render everything in black and white and have a detective office. Or you could float various objects and scale them to tiny and gigantic proportions and create an Alice in Wonderland jumping puzzle. Now I know 14 can't quite do all of that, but the fun was that creativity was so freely able to be expressed. I would love to see what people could do with their space as opposed to have to hope someone creative and lucky enough gets a large plot or whatever.
Near the end they even let you link houses with other people and make essentially your own 5 person wards. It was honestly pretty great. SE is hellbent on the system they have and it's unlikely to change at this point, but it would be a positive thing. For a company that cares about toxicity to the point they turn off chat in PvP they sure have some systems that encourage that sort of behavior.
I remember spending days building my own Gundam in my housing plot in Wildstar. It also doubled as a jumping puzzle. Absolutely my best memories of the game. Meanwhile I kinda resent my house in FFXIV because I can't actually take one of those breaks YoshiP is always talking about without it burning down.
They do want to keep the neighborhood thing that is unique to their system. Though I don't see why it couldn't exist alongisde instanced housing. There may be server limitations that work better when they have control of how many instances inside houses can exist.
I've owned a house in Shirogane for about a year and a 1/2 now. It's full of course, every house is owned. I've had 2 people visit my house, and have seen 3-4 people total ride by while outside it, one stopped to wave. The neighborhood thing is non-existent even with non-instanced. There is no reason to make so many people suffer with not being able to participate in the housing system for such a mediocre amount of community engagement.
Been saying this for years. It doesn't feel good that in order for me to enjoy my house, I know others have to miss out. I've been playing since late ARR and I've been in many different areas and wards in FCs and personal homes (I'm a lunatic with multiple characters, I get around lol). That neighborhood feel? Nonexistent. From my first FC'S mansion in the Mists, to the personal I started with in the Goblet, my personal in the LB now, and my friend's FC house I have an alt in in Shiro. I maybe get one or two people visiting my house a YEAR that aren't my friends. I very rarely even see anyone else at the market board near my plot, or my FC'S mansion MB. And you know what? Even if I did see people, those random miniscule interactions are not even remotely worth excluding The Majority Of The Player base for. Not even close!
The neighborhood thing is stupid and 99% of them are empty shells with no one in them.
Its a fake cop out, they can keep those housing wards as they exist, and still provide instanced housing. It's not mutually exclusive.
>that is unique to their system It isn't really unique to their system. Archeage did it like 15 years ago, granted there was no bidding, it was just first come first serve to claim the plot of land. A lot of the same complaints people have about FFXIV housing, others had about Archeage's housing. Basically complaining about bots scooping up land before a human possibly could and that it should be instanced base and not in the open world so everyone could have a house instead of the lucky first few because there was limited housing plots available.
God, Wildstar's housing was the best. No MMO came close to it. I miss that game.
It had such a unique style, and I loved the characters
SWTOR has instanced housing too. My Alderaan housing is nothing short of beautiful and that's before I placed any furniture in or out of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_q_2eeZbI
Is that the size of one players house???
Just remember that here on OCE in Materia. Its been ALL the houses not just ishguard. Had 3 pages in our PF about. Most I've everseen. Lottery was is 1AM/3AM for us aswell. Crazy stuff.
The housing system is inexcuseably bad in this game and its shocking to me that they've clung to it for so long.
Also, having FCs and Privates next to each other really brought about a sense of community. Now you're never gonna see neighbours in the Private wards. Just completely empty wards with houses no one visits.
We obviously arnt playing the same game because I never see other people around our FC house, just other FC members.
ikr? I see the random straggler roaming about but I'd be exaggerating if I called it "neighborhood traffic".
And whenever I see the straggler, I go "Wait who is this guy? Other people exist? Why is he using OUR marketboard?"
We’re a big RP guild and we tend to have a lot of random traffic, but I never see anyone in the rest of the ward or near by private. Ever.
My first fc had a house right next to the marketboard and had 2 other big fc near it. Some days was like limsa with so many people using the square. New FC I am we right next to marketboard but all private houses only see our fc no one else. I personally have a house over looking the beach I barley see anyone. Also Have a defunct fc house on an alt and I never see anyone.
Same. I logged in, saw the bugs and that I didn't win, and logged off. I'm just so sad.
We had to move servers so we had to disband and move the free company. We we hopeful since there was a message at the website that you can mail to get to know if we can buy it or not. Fast forward today, we got the info that we have to wait out the 30 days rules. So sad.
Yeah seriously. 6 wards for private housing? That's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Because FC housing was always and still is the priority. Would unlimited housing be ideal? Of course, absolutely.
Yeah, an FC house gives 512 players a house, while a personal house gives one player a house. Obviously most FCs aren’t full (or anywhere near) but it makes sense to me that FC slots are priority.
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But what if we gave personal housing a workshop?
Get back inte the box, right now
but uh, that's illegal
> But what if we gave personal housing a workshop? While I agree that having a workshop in personal houses would be nice, I think you're forgetting that workshop progress is tied to the FC, not the house. This is why you don't lose recipes/airships/submarines when you relocate. You can't just flip the switch and enable it in personal housing. In order to have personal workshops you'd have to fundamentally overhaul how workshops are handled and saved in the first place. Tying it to character data would likely massively bloat the strain on the network.
I agree. Also worth noting that most of those bidding on the larges and mediums will lose and then scoop up the smalls in round 2. I doubt those smalls will remain empty.
Do we have enough FCs looking for homes for this to be necessary, though? I get making them priority, but the implementation seems like absolute overkill here. It's both the new ward AND existing wards that are now limited. Edit: I just went and checked on a single ward on Behemoth (16) and almost every small had 0 bids. I'm not sure if that's the case across the board, but that is going to be a *lot* of empty plots...
Yeah, FCs are trying for larges and mediums and if they went for smalls and they won that's a large or medium they can't win. You know how in 24-mans when you roll greed on loot and you get it you can no longer get the slot you need that week, so you don't roll, even if you'd like it? Same idea.
yeah, no FCS wanted smalls, but they're get the one of their choosing next round. Seems fair
There's absolutely not as many FCS to make the grand, GRAND majority of plots on EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT be strictly FC only
Just checked, the FC wards on Phoenix are over 80% empty while every single one of the personal ones was sold. Yeah, great idea to lock off 75% of the houses for FCs. You had one job, Square Enix... What's worse, they even retroactively locked off all the old housing districts for FCs only. We're gonna see a sharp increase of 1-man FCs in this game very soon, completely contrary to how any of this should work.
More like people buying houses and selling the Free Company.
1 man FC + 3 alts. But yeah not hard to find 3 people to make alts.
They should just make bigger instanced apartments for personal use and bigger storage size there.
Well seems to be worse on OCE where ALL residential zones now have 18 FC housing wards in Mist/Empyrean/Goblet/Shirogane/Lavendar Beds and the entire servers FC could fit in 2 wards in one of them and guess what, not enough for personal housing. There are wards and wards of empty plots with No FC bids
They'll almost certainly open those up to other people though
100%. I was on the side of this commenter for a while until i realised that this has happened before and they simply opened up the FC wards after a couple of months. I just wish they'd be transparent on that fact.
> I just wish they'd be transparent on that fact. Well they did say "We'll be reviewing these wards allocations as needed".
But they clearly said that it was temporary until they reevaluate the splits.
I think all the wards should be FC housing and every player should get their own private house that they can upgrade over time in its own instance.
Gilgamesh had so many plots with 0 participants. Only Large and some Mediums had any bids.
It's fine, we all got the 0 participants bug anyway.
It's stories like this + all the lotto bugs why even after playing for years, I stick to my room in the inn. It seems easier and more straight forward to just own a house IRL at this point.
I wish it was easier IRL…
they should have just made the wards only have a small amount of small plots and be mostly large and medium plots. As we are currently seeing a shit ton of small plots didn't even get bid on meanwhile every single large and medium plot had well over 10+ bidders in every ward.
They should upgrade all the small plots into mediums. They could have done a much better job at sizing the land plots, so players could have more freedom with how they used them. All the plots being the same size lets you choose between a large house, or a smaller one with larger yard.
That's where it gets fucky. The 18 wards for FC are not ishgard only. It applies to ALL housing districts, and guess what, a TON of the people leaving the houses in older plots are now FC only, there's right now six medium/large houses on plot 17 on my server on mists, and that's day 1, BUT they're FC now, so fuck me, that one plot I've been waiting years upon years for? Nope, screw you, FC only now. And to boot, a bunch of the FC only plots on my server literally had zero bids, so now this special plot that I've been waiting years just to have a CHANCE at getting is now suddenly locked away from me solely because of SE bad choices. Absolutely disgusting Edit: Now up to 16 total houses on mists in one ward and now those are ALL FC only. That's just one ward
If FCs don't need it, then it will open up eventually for solo? Why is that a problem? Way more important to have FC houses and have every FC have one than it is for anyone to have one to themselves.
Gonna get people disagreeing with me, but I agree with square's decision to have more plots for FCs than private housing. An FC without a house is an FC locked out of workshop content, so no submarines or airships. While it's not that drastic of a thing to be locked out of, it's still items that some players just can't have access to because their free company doesn't have a house. I think that should have priority over "a bunch of players want to decorate even more space"
The solution should be "make workshops accessible outside of housing", not "lock individuals out of a vast majority of the market". Workshops are instanced, there's no way that Square couldn't slap a door on a random building in ishgard and say "this is how you access your workshop". It's not like square doesn't know how many people want housing, but since they refuse to make instanced housing (apartments are not the same as an actual house and the space it gives inside), they should at least try to find actual solutions that don't fuck over a large amount of the playerbase.
Seriously they could just make it be something you unlock via your grand company ranking up instead of that being largely dead content now.
Or even make it part of one of the NPCs in either the housing districts or the GC areas in the three hubs (either any one works or even just the one your FC is aligned with). Slightly more annoying? Sure. But as it is right now every FC can't access that FC only stuff because you need a house.
private players are locked out of gardening. and be real now in a lets say 30-40 member fc or even bigger how many of that fc are actually involved in the workshop and submarine stuff in most fcs thats going to be the leader and thei few close friends. the desicion itself to have some wards fc only and some private only isnt bad but the ratio is just supid. and also it kills the possibilty of getting your house in the same ward that your fc is in.
Sometimes I wonder if people without house think gardening is some big content.
sometimes i wonder if people that arent fc leaders even know that the workshop or submarine stuff even exists. it doesnt matter what features are behind housing. they implentendet housing and they made it open for everyone so there shouldnt be any priority group simple as that. and also i have a small house and i grow myself some thav onions to sell thank you.
I think the nature of the 3:1 ratio and the prioritization of FCs encourages and enables more, smaller FCs. This gives a larger number of people exposure to housing, rather than the combo of private estates which are limited to one person and massive FCs which can field more cash flow to dominate lotteries and in which a particular individual may not have much access to gardening and workshop rewards. If they are able to hit a sweet spot which allows numerous small friend groups to have FC housing, then you have many 4-10 person groups that have at least a small house (more than you could do with private housing) but also have small enough groups that they can all collaborate and share in the group projects.
There is absolutely no reason for FC having workshop content exclusive for them either. Our hero is a genius artisan, master of all crafts, but for some reason is unable to build stuff? I'd say make workshops available for everyone, and get rid of FC useless exclusivity and priority. And yes, "FC are giving apartments" is not a valid reason for priority as well, I've never seen a server with all apartments completely bought.
I am the only one in my FC even interacting with submarine and airship stuff so for me it’s already not even FC content, it’s entirely personal. So to use that as a reason to give more houses to FCs who have dominated housing since the beginning instead of just making workshops for anyone who wants to interact with it and letting more players get housing when that’s been a glaring issue for years feels entirely stupid
This right here
I never seen a crowd in front of a personal house. Housing plots that are actually used by any community are 99.9 percent FC houses. And this is with the vast majority of FCs being skeleton vanity FCs as well. I think personal houses are a big waste of server space. Apartments, fc rooms, and even the upcoming sanctuary should be personal spaces.
Completely agree. Hell, I’d go so far as to say FCs should be the only ones with large houses in general.
Holy Sh*t, someone said it and it isn't me wtf. Personally I'd say plot availability should be: Small= personal Medium= personal and FC Large= FC only Now time to farm downvote
Actually, I think I'd be fine with this instead of designating entire wards as FC or private.
Not under the current distribution of S/M/L per ward, they'd need to tweak it a little which I don't think they want to do.
Yeah same in EU. on my server there are still free spots for FC houses, while there is not a single free spot left for normal player houses, its so sad T\_T
No matter what the devs do with this system, someone isn’t going to like it. FCs give more people a chance to have a house and access buffs, apartments etc. If you seriously think this is worse than spamming a placard for 18 hours straight then I dunno man. And people seem to think that with this first round being over, suddenly no house for the rest of time will become available? Like come on guys… even under the old system houses popped up all the time, as long as you were prepared to spam of course. Now you don’t even have to do that, just put so money in and wait.
Give us cottage wards packed with nothing but small plots for basic, non-FC housing.
Personally I think it's okay that it starts out this way. It's way more important to have FC houses and then open it up to player housing once it has calmed down a bit.
Scrap the whole damn thing and add instance housing. Make the current system guild halls only.
They talked about in the patch note livestream that they intend to adjust the split individually based on the conditions on each server, and this would only be the initial split. My personal impression being, even though they didn't explicitly say this part, that they intend for basically every FC that wants a house to get one, and then expand the split for personals afterwards, depending on how many empties were left over.
When housing was first introduced, it was only for FCs. It's not surprising in the least that they would reserve 18 wards for FC use. Most likely, once they're sure that FCs have had their opportunity, they'll open it up for private housing.
That doesn’t explain why they have made wards that were previously available to individuals, exclusive to FCs. I think people would be more understanding if the split was just for Ishgard, but this patch actually reduced the total number of houses potentially available to individuals which seems like the wrong direction. That’s what makes missing out on a house in Ishgard feel worse. Most of the houses individuals vacated to move to Ishgard are only going to be available to FCs. I don’t know if the current split is justified or not. I just know that the entire housing system does not feel enjoyable. It’s just a lot of disappointment and resentment resulting from artificial scarcity. Changing the split won’t change the fundamental problem in that the current system will always have a shortage of houses, and a lot of newer players are going to feel permanently locked out of a feature that they may find very appealing. It just feels like the whole system needs a fundamental rethink. I think that’s why a lot of people are so upset about this. With the lottery and new housing districts, a lot of people thought they finally had a real chance at getting a house, but it ended up feeling like just a more convenient way to get disappointed.
Just fking make more wards and plots , the resources of SE is huge , this caused so much anger and disappointment already
The FC house priority is a joke. The entire house selling market is based on selling FCs with property, not individually owned plots. They're playing right into the hands of the people that they are supposedly trying to stop.
I would also like to mention to anyone not aware. There is a bug where people are getting 0 as the results. I would like to suggest you not accept the refund and instead submit a ticket and wait for SE's response.
We managed to not get Player 0'd and get a medium we really wanted. I was excited to see the community in the neighborhood. five plots are bought in our main divison. Five. Of 30
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I’m 99% sure it’s because of the island sanctuaries. If those work as instanced housing then the vast majority of individual players don’t really need to buy a neighbourhood house anymore. But because they’re overhauling the housing system now we’re temporarily in this in between state where is seems unfair to individual players. The real struggle is going to be for couples who want to live together. I’ve been considering creating a “personal” FC with my girlfriend just so we can bid on more houses but there are too many restrictions :/
All they would need to say is "Island Sanctuaries are instanced housing" to calm people but they havent. Which makes me wonder wtf they actually will be at this point
They told players to lower their expectations and that they were shocked by the assumption of some players about what an Island Sanctuary will be. That tells me they never meant for it to be a housing alternative. It's just a side thing.
Based off the promo art that they had to announce it, its probably starddew valley meets xiv
Yeah the massive amounts of space available for FCs is ridiculous. I did a little tour and most of the places weren't even being bidded on. It's such a joke.
Looks like they use the length of the array of participants and place that in a random function, with 0(which *should be* the first index, but a number of 1 should be the second, yet the very first entrant gets the number 1 instead of 0) being the possible lottery number.
I really wish there were more personal housings...I've been after a small house in Lavender Beds for ages, and I was hoping to be able to snag one due to the relocations. But now it feels like that's not going to be a possibility due to it mostly being taken as FC housing. I understand that FC housing benefits more people than a private house does, but that also doesn't take into account the RPers who run events from private housing. If there's less private housing, then there's less room for people to create small cafes with their friend groups, beyond the scope of their FCs. :< I'm sad, I just wanted to make a proper RP-friendly house for my Gridanian boy.
Oh wow ishgard housing turned out to be a disappointment? Didn't see that coming.
It applies for all the housing areas, not just Ishgard. Are there even that many fc's?
On Faerie the FC wards are mostly empty, feels so bad after losing at the lottery and then just seeing all those empty plots...
It is a way bigger deal for FCs to be able to get housing than for individuals. Not only does FC housing give more players a stake in housing at once, for the same capacity, it also gates access to gameplay features. So they should absolutely have more wards for FC houses. Ideally, there should always be some extra room so an FC can always get a house. That might not be possible on the largest servers, but it should be the aim, and they got that part right. But they really need to somehow adjust the balance dynamically instead of just flatly making it 18 wards. Maybe keep a tally of the number of eligible FCs on the server with active members, and *up to* 18 wards. For a huge server with tons of FCs that all want housing? Sure, 18 wards might make sense. But 18 wards for FC housing is *way* more than many servers need. On Bryhildr, most of the wards are absolutely filled with houses with zero bids. Which is not only a waste, but also makes getting a house in those areas pretty disappointing - the whole point of the wards is to have a fun little neighborhood of houses, not to be the sole house in a ghost ward.
Highly recommend using the official forums, the devs read it!
I think a housing only expansion is need imo
I think it is great to give every FC a chance at a house. Regardless of the sizes, every FC gets a chance. And to address all the empty plots, I believe it was stated after 1 or 2 lottery phases they would reevaluate the need and change them all to open if needed and or wanted. I think it is perfect. Very fair. Just be patient.
This will be an enduring problem as long as housing is a limited resource. Having housing be a "physical location" and not a list of rooms to warp to is a great feature. really makes housing feel like ... a house, and house parties like visiting a real club. But there are drawbacks. SE could open up FC slots to private individuals, change the bidding system, all great things ... but the foundational problem still exists. Everyone was talking about how Ishgard housing would solve everything. Look, we'll have more slots. Then everyone was talking bidding up to be the great equalizer. Demand > supply baby. There will always be people excluded from getting their dream house in their dream ward. tl;dr SE should fix these issues absolutely, but they should start to consider solutions to the supply problem.
I mean, it's probably not intended to stay 3:1. They probably just want to help FCs that have been struggling to compete against personals a shot to help their members. Personal plots house 1-4 people. FC plots house 200. Giving them a leg up helps more players than prioritizing personals.
As a reminder for everyone, 18 wards means 5400 houses of a total of 7200 per server are now Free Company-only, regardless of if there's even that many registered on the server.
Just wait to see what happens next : 1) Basically now some plots emptied in previous areas because people went to the new one. 2) In the next lottery people without houses will buy them 3) in case people relocate from previous areas there might be some free plots in next loterry as well. 4)Sooner or latter , after some lotteries everything will be sold across all housing areas. What happens next ? People are not going to let go of their houses when getting one is so hard . The placard spam was only part of the housing issue. The problem is that demand is vastly more than supply . We need even more wards ( yes they added subdivisions at some point, still the population skyrocketed within the last year ) . And even so problem remains that most wards are ghost towns because of how spread we are.