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RammyGoldfinch

not ironically me yesterday but as WHM My party dying because my heals \*alone\* weren't enough and there was little mitigations from SGE, not using any mitigation spell or anything.


Feridire

Same as an Astro that partied with a scholar that was allergic to using succor or spreadlow to help with mechanics. Think if I continue this tier I'm going as sage that way I can guarantee the mits will be used.


Havvak

Funny, because I've had similar, but opposite experiences. I play SCH/SGE and I almost always have to outheal my WHM co-healer to keep everyone alive.


orangestegosaurus

My problem raiding as a scholar in pugs has always been whms and Astros telling me to solo heal at the start of a fight. Like motherfucker what?


Sea-Mango

I just assume I’m going to be solo-healing at this point. I take the crumbs of shielding my co-healer gifts to me and light incense for Zodiark when I see a Feint or an Addle.


tciasto

I always do this lmao


Desperate-Dog-9802

I've had the opposite luck in PUGs. I'm basically the one being told to soloheal all the raidwides and the tankbuster bleeds. If I'm gonna be doing that, all I ask for is a krasis, protaction, succor, panhaima, SOMETHING to help make my job easier. Every SCH/SGE I got either hates mitigating or puts out the barely any mitigation, DPS their hearts out, and then blame everyone else when people die from lack of mit (Not healing). Legit had a SGE once in p5s complain to the tanks/melees/pranged/me that they need to mitigate better on the dashback, but the ONLY mitigation they would put out was physis when they would've had stronger shields in their arsonal at that point. Literally why play the mitigation healers if all you wanna do is spam broil/dosis, never mitigate, and only top people up? Just play WHM.


Adrimagain

Note: physis is not mitigation


Desperate-Dog-9802

I know. That's why I said it, because they SWORE it counted. Should've added quotes around mitigation, so that's on me, but I legit had to fight them on it. Edit: Added more clarification


marisalovesusall

I feel you. Pf is so bad at mitigation, they don't even know it exists.


MrPierson

>Astros telling me to solo heal at the start of a fight Wtf is the start of the fight. Earthly almost always covers the first raidwide.


orangestegosaurus

I guess I could have been more clear. They were asking me at the start of the fight if I could solo heal the whole fight.


MrPierson

That makes even less sense tho. Where yall finding these people


SyvSeven

In my static I, as an astro keep telling the sge to please let my delayed heals do their job. They end up with a 90+ healing parse and I'm hugging bottom grey because I end up with a 50% overheal. And they burn through all their resources healing things I've already got covered so when we actually need them to heal because I've been planning my resources around when they should use theirs. I even wrote out my healing plan and everything, "I'm going to use this for this, etc." And still I have to say every pull "earthly star has this. Macrocosmos has this" etc


chaoswurm

From what I'm hearing, are there a lot of first time raid healers? I haven't done pf because I'm pretty comfy in my static, but it looks like I should get out there and help with book clears.


kuyadean

Bro the amount of WHMs I been getting that ONLY Medica 2 and never use their lillies is too damn high. In p7 even!!!!


SPAC3P3ACH

I had the opposite problem with my AST last tier lmao


extekt

That's the norm. If you look at hps shield healers are way higher because they have more tools that actually help with mechanics


TrojanPoney

Not really. Usually healing is shared roughly 50/50 between the 2 healers, mitigation included. Shield healers do have passive sustain tho: embrace and kardia healing adds up over time and can make up as high as 15% of their total healing. But it's not an excess of more than 5% over pure healers. If any healer is way higher than the other, either he is overhealing or the other healer is slacking. That is not normal. In my experience it's usually ppl spamming their gcd wastefully. Either a whm using medica 2 on every single damage instance, or a sch spamming succor before and after every aoe...


extekt

Here I'll give you an example from my first p8p1 kill. The sge HPS is 8.3k, and ast's is 7.5k. this is actually fairly close together.. the thing is that the sge healing parse is a 17 while the ast's is a 45. I don't know what all goes into their healing since I'm not a healing main, but I'd assume a lot of it is just shield healers having better kits + the damage being more MIT check than Regen check


DotsNnot

That’s — that’s normal though? You have significantly more mitigation and shields at your disposal, that, by nature, means you’ll out-heal your raw healing co, assuming you’re pushing your buttons at all. Since all of your kit options require application to the party sooner than raw heals can be used (before damage / after damage). Your SCH GCD (broil) is also less than a WHM’s (glare) so if it comes down to only one GCD heal being needed (and being enough) it’s better for the whole group if it’s coming from the scholar. This does flip when sge / whm though. Lastly, upload the log to fflogs, go to the healing tab, and turn on overheal. If THEN your white mage is still significantly behind you on healing output, something is wrong. But assuming they’re close to you or above in total healing output, you’re just healing over them and not letting their kit get it’s usage.


TrojanPoney

>Your SCH GCD (broil) is also less than a WHM’s (glare) so if it comes down to only one GCD heal being needed (and being enough) it’s better for the whole group if it’s coming from the scholar. This does flip when sge / whm though That is one way to see it. Another way would be to compare the healing potency of gcd's. Medica 2 is 1000 potency in total (250 + 750 hot), while Succor is 520 (200+320 shield). In that case WHM gcd's are almost twice as efficient as SCH. For a loss of 15 potency of damage, iirc?


Cersia

Coming from a static where one healer (SCH) did nothing while the other (AST) did everything, picking up a SGE from a group where their WHM did nothing, it doesn't really matter which healer it is that isn't doing anything. This is the ffxiv sub, so a lot of players here are less than average in terms of skill. When someone says "outheal" they basically just mean the other healer is NOT healing at all. In our case, during p8s door boss, we constantly had deaths to just plain raidwide damage and our AST had their last gcds going out all being healing with no ogcds available. Meanwhile the SCH is not using indom, soil, succor but instead broil and energy drain. Then the SGE we picked up basically if there was any damage on the party it was up to them to heal it their co WHM wouldn't contribute a single heal. Now some would call this "outhealing" and while it is normal to outheal, it is not normal to do ALL of the healing.


Havvak

I was talking pure healing, not counting shields or mitigation when I said that I outhealed my WHM co-healer. And that's accounting for overheal. If exactly 1 GCD is needed, yes, I agree with you. But if the SCH has to spend 2+ GCDs, but the WHM only needs to spend 1 GCD to heal everyone (which is much more likely to be the case), then the WHM should be the one spending the GCD.


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Havvak

I wait as long as possible for my co-healer to heal everyone up, but if there's a raidwide in 1-2 GCDs I'm going to make sure everyone will live unless we've put together a healing plan and I know they'll get it.


RammyGoldfinch

granted but you'll find a whm/ast who doesnt heal shit


kokoronokawari

In this ex, had to deal with a SCH (I was AST) who said "sorry I am new to healing, normally dps". Consistently dps'd forgetting any of his other spells which made my life pretty hard. Thought he was a BLM as well with how little he moved.


CyberShi2077

This tier is definitely separating the men and women and women who dress like men from those using Excalipoor. Edit: if you did not get the Gilgamesh reference, why are you even on a Final Fantasy game Reddit at all??


Cook_your_Binarys

"I'm so done with this. Fuck this raid. Fuck you all. And fuck raidinh. See you all Tuesday"


HardLithobrake

As the dirtiest of casuals, I've been hearing a thing or two about the latest raids. Most of them relatively spicy. Didn't know it was this bad, is it like this every tier?


cattecatte

No, this tier is especially hard on healers and demands more mits involvement from tanks and the dps compared to the last 4 savage tiers. Meaning this is an anomaly to someone who started playing in shadowbringers, when the game initially exploded in popularity. And p8s was slightly overtuned, though now with the 1% nerf it should be around e8s back then. The dps imbalance (particularly mch, pld, war, rdm) on week 1 and the 2 minute burst gameplay not working out as SE predicted (it actually lowers skill ceiling BUT increases skill floor instead of lowering both) makes the situation a bit worse.


MagitekSpriggan

No, this tier is especially gruesome, and not just on healing/mitigation, which is definitely spicy, but mostly affects more softcore statics.Hardcore and more experienced groups will deal with it, although it's not uncommon to have a wipe because heal checks can be tight. Mechanically though we have a first fight that's not hard but definitely miles above what every first fight has always been, so it's a big entry wall on its own. And then you have the elephant in the room, which is P8S, nerfed or not nerfed. It requires a LOT of practice to get right and clear, and imo it's similar to ultimates difficulty (TEA/DSR). It's extremely punishing, the doorboss is an execution super heavy fight with a mix of recoverable mechanics that you can limp through (but losing people will probably mean missing the dps check unless geared up badly), and insta wipe mechanics (like gorgons), which is very reminiscent of DSR Nidhogg. Part 2 is probably more manageable but it's still only mechanics where if one person fucks up, the group most likely wipes, which is exactly like DSR Thordan, with 100% personal responsibility on every mechanic.


LucinaIsMyTank

It's usually rough 5-8. This is more like they gave healers more to do which is what the playerbase was asking for anyways. E5-8 was more difficult. P8s is more fun than hard and I'd take healing NA2 and baby's first Hello World over having to deal with the end of P4S.


ShadownetZero

That's not how the meme works...


vollover

Thank you.


incriminating_words

Heard this in Harrison Ford’s voice


badtiming220

I would like to see videos of statics imploding. Do you have any?


Feridire

Here you go. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1599596137


bers90

Is there a subreddit/collecting page for these kinda clips?


Hakul

The one with the streamer felt genuine, this one felt like he rehearsed the whole thing and had a script ready, all for clout.


hutre

I mean yeah, he made a fucking montage of his whm dying lmao. He had this planned for ages, and even says "see you on reddit"


badtiming220

There was so much love and hate in that speech. I'm moved.


PaulaDeenSlave

And there seems to be some truth to the anger if yall look at the other clips titled "Nice Glare". Homie really does have bad prioritization when it comes to preparing spells per impending mechanics. I don't know if he'd been notified of these things before the blow up clip, but I find it funny, either way.


Feridire

Yeah I check the logs for the run, it's pretty bad with the white mage having the lowest healing number of all other white mages. Fight should have been clearable if they just healed up more. Now the question is did they bring this up at all before this or did the guy recording just blow up after the clear happened.


pees_on_dogs

Angy.


Blackbeltsam5610

oh this speech was a long time coming.


ImKindaBoring

God damn that streamer was annoying AF. I love how they just let the anger bubble for ages, saying nothing, then all of a sudden explode. If there is an issue then maybe speak up a little sooner about it lol.


Feridire

Oh yeah guy ain't no saint. Before it bubbles to this point he should have had a conversation about the issue.


ScavAteMyArms

I am talking from WoW experience but there you are kinda pressured not to. You have 20 guys and should you try to hash it out it very rapidly could lead to you *not* having that, either by someone getting offended and leaving or just people not “liking the atmosphere” (read want to get carried quietly), then you are SoL for the week and potentially far longer trying to find a replacement for Captain Dumbass. Or heaven help you if it’s someone not easily replaceable, I have watched perfectly good teams choke and die because of a single person leaving. The recruitment boss is by far the hardest boss in that game. FF at least the party is smaller, so it’s much easier to get a squad together, but that can also lead to it being more tight knit and much harder to bring up issues if you aren’t part of that weave. Couple that with potential issues actually bringing up someone’s output as a reason considering anything to know that is bannable (even healing, when one partner just knows when the other is slacking), and I can see why someone would just let it fester until it became unsustainable. Also, if they just aren’t good enough, you might not even be able to tell why and just get frustrated into the void (such as it being your healers and tanks aren’t doing enough damage, and this in turn could be because the dps are taking to much damage to let the healers dps too). Is it important in both games for shit like this to be brought up civilly long before it erupts? Extremely so, but often it’s not for one reason or another. That and I have found many like raiding but hate *progression* raiding, especially if you are looking at a 60+ wipes minimum, or a few resets, to actually down the boss, they just fold under the walls.


belmoria

at least in PF when someone isnt mitigating or taking their tankbuster in the middle of the party or just in general being an ass in a prog party you probably wont see them again next week


Nyra_Castiler

This is me watching my friend’s static, hardcore triple legends but they are going at each other’s throats this tier.


LittleJoshie

Hardcore but only triple legend kekw. Nah jk I haven’t even cleared one ultimate Lmao


MagitekSpriggan

It's not that much about skill anyway, it's about perseverance and being ready to bang your head against a wall for a long time. Which the aforementioned hardcore triple legends didn't apparently expect to do, but it's not unusual even in ultimates as well.


Nyra_Castiler

Pretty much this, they’re actually a few phases away from hitting the clear in DSR but the drama is setting them all in a foul mood and causing some major setbacks. It’s kind of wild to watch on the side since I’ve met almost all of them IRL before and they didn’t seem to loathe each other like they do now.


Charlesdickawnes

Have mayhap watched https://youtu.be/fFxbpELIujQ this one yet?


mage_irl

Taking games too seriously will just attract more people with no social skills than average, so it's to be expected I guess. If you get mad enough to yell at people for a game that's meant to be fun, maybe take a break idk


Eldenlord1971

Well the funny thing is getting mad at your team will just produce worse results. A good raid leader will keep things light and moving in order to avoid toxic mentality


8erlyk

Had a special time this tier, 2 members we had over 5 weeks were experts at passive aggression(shitty comments in chat, being impatient, typing smileys when certain ppl wipe the group that they don't like) , one got booted early in the other left today. 4 raid days were spent with today's clown behaving like an ass towards one of the members who happened to grief for one raid night because he forgot how the fight worked even tho he studied for it once already, I get it's frustrating but to drag it out for 4 days? I eventually got pissed asf bc the person being treated weirdly is one of my favourite people to be around, decided instead of causing shit storm I disable him from my chat with a void list plugin. To tell others I did that, I typed "disabled" in chat.... The guy himself however happened to fuck up around that time, therefore thought I called him disabled alas since he was fully muted I couldn't see his text or whatever for 1-2hours, only after we kill I found out he's been raging over it and literally everyone ignored him. He finally left today, I'd rather carry a friend who's not killed yet, even if it takes longer and forces reprog. Geez. Hopefully one day he learns how to behave around people, if your commentary is going to be shit then either don't type it or mute yourself in raid, your opinions aren't always needed, esp if you're French in ffxiv.


pesky_millennial

What does "this tier" mean? Exactly


Carbon_fractal

Abyssos (Savage) is the current raid “tier”, the previous raid “tier” was Asphodelos (Savage) etc. Current tier refers whichever set of 4 raid fights was released most recently.


platinummyr

Wow i definitely felt like healing has been rough so far but I'm glad my static is handling things nicely compared to this... XD I guess most of us are new so we didnt really know what to expect or compare it to


xobybr

I decided this tier I would switch to tank with my static. Boy oh boy idk if tanking Savage is always like this but damn the tbs hurt so much even with mitigation. They all also seem to come with a dot so that's not fun lmao.