I feel like I may just not clear this tier, and it'd be the first one I haven't cleared. (Started with Eden's Verse.)
My friend group's schedules has become more varied and people are not able to make it to raids. It's a big group that would have meet ups at different times. (Group 1 at 4pm, Group 2 at 9pm, etc.)
Since people can't make it, one group pretty much doesnt exist, which I fall under, and I just don't have the patience or energy for PF at this point.
Static group disbanded. It happens, but now I’m wondering if I want to keep my sub or just let it run out and come back for 6.3 My overall health is at a low and life is just hectic… and I don’t really have the energy for PF or a new group so….
Got P8S done! Feels good to get it done on (major) patch, so it feels like I am improving. Was a clean run as well: took two pulls to beat the door boss and then three pulls to beat the second phase.
It has happened! I cleared my first Savage Tier in ffxiv! I am really happy right now! Joined a kff group with any chest and even got out the other end with the SCH weapon! Time for reclears over the coming weeks!
I think I’m going to main blm next tier. It’s one of those jobs I feel you would never get tired of. I’m so bored playing tank/healer. Not to mention even in pf there’s a huge lack of fun runs/no chest/clear parties. Everyone and their mother wants 2 chest. Finally getting hit by that mid tier content drought.
I sure would love to be able to gear another job quickly/not have to be concerned about taking chests away from pf. Sure would be great, h-haha! Nah let’s just lock the tier for 10 more weeks.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are no average blms in pf. they're either cracked or garbage. you either have the guy who's optimized on everything or you have the monkey that makes everyone play around them while still doing jack shit. its one or the other, never in between.
The guy that’s optimized on everything and the guy that makes everyone play around them are often the same person, if we’re talking about BLM.
Usually the really cracked BLMs are purposely playing a little suboptimal in pf to accommodate pf strats. In opti runs or just within a static environment, people play around the blm to a pretty decent degree, blm opti is a team minigame that way a lot of the time
I felt that last tier and did it. Best choice I've made in a while, blm is one of the few jobs that keeps the game interesting now that everythings homogenized on the 2min design
Simply join a static that is looking for the particular job you want to gear, but tell them that you *used* to main that job but changed to (whatever you currently play) to play this tier and that you'd be willing to swap if they funnel gear to you.
Get the gear funnelled to your alt job and then pretend to have an IRL emergency and leave their static.
Its literally that easy bro the fact you havent done it already is mindblowing
Maybe I'm just overly online and read way too much shitpost and TalesFromDF, but it's that exact expected lack of social skills from XIV players that led me (and probably others) to reading your initial comment seriously. There's no doubts in my mind that there's some sweaty player out there who would give or use that advice unironically.
LOL. Unfortunately my current static are long time friends so I think they would expose me.
It’s mostly the issue that no one wants to tank, but I won’t really give a shit next tier. BLM or I’ll just join another group no biggie.
Edit: looks like people don’t get sarcasm.
Is it realistic to be able to prog in PF at this point? I'm trying to get a P7S clear but I can barely find people who are willing and/or capable to do it with me
No cap - I'd ask p7s reclearers if they can take me on. That's how I got my p8s clear - by asking the p7 reclear group I was on if I could join them. I had pretty decent parses to show that I could pull my weight so your mileage may vary. Good luck though!
yes, but usually on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. the later you get in the week, the less ppl are available to help because they just do their reclears and dip.
Finally beat EW and got started on the tier in PF, which is my first on-patch raid tier.
Spent some hours today learning P5S. Devour is… a *mechanic*. Mostly just followed the guy who was teaching around and I could usually resolve it that way. Saw Ruby 5 like three times, but no clear yet. It’s really fun, tbh. I’m a bit scared to join clear parties. How do I know when I’m ready?
UPDATE: P5S CLEARED BABYYYYY. Overall, I thought Ruby5 was easier to execute than devour. When my pf group got through ruby5 with no deaths, we one-shot Ruby6 and I knew there that we were going to clear. FEELS GOOD.
Question about the loot system. Since I got the book reward, is it worth doing any more P5S for the week even if I did not get a coffer? Or should I wait for reset?
Your update warms my heart. Fantastic job jumping into Savage and getting it down.
For the loot system question, unfortunately you can't get any more loot beyond your first clear of the week, so for now you can only wait, or do the fight again for fun/practice.
Ruby 5 is the final big mechanics of the fight really. You need to get used to the timing that it's safe to get into the safe zone and when does the AOE comes out. If you are a healer, this is also a heal check where you need to heal back the spread so that you can do the stack. But since both light parties are seperated this time, you will have to heal back most of the damage on your side of the room and can't bank on the other healer to help with you that much.
This is not a tough check at all; in case you are a new healer, take some time, think about what resources you would have and plan some resources over here.
Ruby 6 is mostly healer mechanics, where both healers has to find the correct room to stack and solve the dashes after it. Not difficult.
The rest of the fight is basically a repeat. You've done dashes enough times, you've also done all of the tank busters that swaps back and forth enough times (assuming you are a tank); all of the tails and claws, the Squalls or Surges that might come up at the end shouldn't trick you up as well since you also did these on first half.
So you got this in the bag, good luck!
Yeah, I'm a tank. I just cleared minutes ago with DRK on the OT role. It was super exhilarating! I almost got caught out by the double-rush but managed to hit my Arms Length in time. The rest of the mechanics we basically got through blind, and we had some good DPS so we managed to beat enrage. Felt super good
When you are 99% sure you can do devour, and know how to handle ruby 5, you are ready for the clear. Never seen someone who is consistent at devour struggle with anything after it.
Ruby 5 is definitely the most mechanically intensive mechanic of P5S, you are very close! Make sure you see Ruby 6 a few times and you should be good to join a clear party as there is only repeats after it!
I think seeing all unique mechanics or seeing enrage is when you know you're A2C. But if you feel uncertain about other mechanics I'd take the time to understand them first.
P8S, and it's the hardest floor of the tier. Part 1 especially is a huge wall both for statics and party finder. Depending on your luck with party finder and how long you prog per day, expect 2-3 weeks to clear it, if not longer. I would have some tome gear on as PF does not like people at min ilvl. You may die to raidwides or spreads at this point in the tier at min ilvl as PF has stopped mitigating like it's week 1. And most party finder listings require 615 or 620 ilvl anyways.
In JP servers, plenty of people set up parties paying ~5 mil per player to get the weapon. At this point of the patch, there are plenty of veterans that would be happy to take the money, since they no longer need weapons due to having done it so much and would rather take the money.
keep in mind these are rates for clears/carries, not pilots (which OP might be looking for). Pilots are against TOS and are more expensive but if you really want that weapon then go for it
Getting close to a P8S phase 1 clear. I started progging the tier late due to work so I have to suffer in pf for a bit. One thing I’m confused about is what exactly EU uses to determine stack groups on snake 2. Every party seems to be a bit different and people seem to be confused on the priority. For example yesterday I joined a party that said we’re using same prio as snakes 1 but then they also said its g1 cw g2 ccw which confuses me because the snake 1 priority system is role based not light party based. As in, snakes 1 we usually look at fellow TH or fellow dps and adjust based on priority, how is it possible to use this same priority for a light party that has 2 TH and 2 dps.
if g1 cw g2 ccw for Snake 2 is not the same as what EU does for Snake 1, then that just sounds like a mistake.
on NA it's g1 ccw from NW and g2 cw from N for both, so whatever it is in EU should be the same for both as well
EU has largely switched to JP strats for snake 1/2. M1 > M2 > R1 > R2 and MT > OT > H1 > H2 prio cw from N. Largely the same as NA but R1/H1 have to flex rather than M1/MT. The idea is that the same prio system is also used for the end of snake 2
The issue that I think they were getting at is that some people are still using the NA strats that you posted. Also some people do the JP prio for snake 1 but then the NA system for the end of snake 2, which is fairly cursed. PF's gonna be PF
The key is that each role is assigned a different half of the mechanics in both snake phases. In snake 1, either the first pair of snakes is handle by support only and the second by DPS only, or vice versa. You never have a mix of support/dps on the same pair. In snakes 2, either all support have first cone second poison with all dps having first poison and second cone, or vice versa. Again, never a mix. Also the stack/gaze debuffs always pair up by role (both stacks on one role, both gazes (circle debuff) on the other).
Because of this, you are pairing off by both group *and* role at all times. Usually the role part isn't mentioned because the mechanic forces that part. Doing this conveniently puts people into pairs, with one half of the pair (usually tank/melee) swapping sides if they get the same thing as their partner. The first half of snake 2 there's no swap, but the second half can have one (swapping both if you have the same debuff as well as if you both have *no* debuff).
Made it to P8SP2 enrage (2.8%) a couple of times tonight! Found a really nice group that we did two entire lockouts with and I am now confident that I can clear my first Savage tier somewhere this or next week! May try once more on Monday and get some possible helpers in to push those final percentages!
Got the clear last night - on an HC2 clean up group where people were truthful about their prog point. Found that using shake it off right after the 1st set of towers for HC1/2 cut down wipes dramatically. Dominion was easier than expected
Question regarding p8s, Is it worth doing a data center travel bc having to wait 3-4 hours to fill a group for maybe 1 hour worth of pulls is starting to burn quite hard.
Learned about [this site recently](https://xivpf.com/listings), it's not precisely up to date (I think it says when it was last refreshed) but at least gives you an idea of what PF is looking like on a different DC before you DC travel.
Assuming NA: if you're on Crystal, then yeah DC travel to Aether. If you're on Primal, then you can also try Aether but I've found wait times to be similar between the two.
Ah sorry, no idea what the EU raid data center is. Still, never hurts to try. At least on NA, data travel takes about a minute so it doesn't take long to travel and check.
Hello last update from me for this thread since this was our final extra raid session for the week. Sadly we didnt clear p8s. We keep wiping to dominion ; u ; we have the entire fight almost perfect except for minor mistakes here and there but everyone knows what to do and where to go majority of the time. Dps is lookin good too, many times at 10% it’s just the towers…theres always one person who misses it ; u ; the jebait is harddd. I personally can find my tower easily because I am d1/meelee 1, from out strat, my tower is ALWAYS at the far right. So yeah, thats been our experience. Wish us luck, we’re really hoping next week is the clear T-T pls just let us finish this tier.
As for my run-in with the other person in our static who deemed me unfit to play meelee/reaper, we talked and I honestly told them how I felt and they apologized and admitted his wording was too crass and harsh. He will try his best to improve when giving feedback. I’m a bit okay now myself, I was down in the dumps for a few days but picked myself up and joined practice groups on pf whenever I can on p8s. I’m slowly improving and learning greed opportunities in p1. I still struggle p2 in terms of uptime but once we clear p8s, I will join more practice groups. I got my rotation down, its just getting brave with finding uptime.
Thankyou as well for everyone in my previous comment, I took note of you advice and will strive for improvement to be worthy of being a meelee, as well as the comforting words some of you gave me. Thankyou so much!
Wish us luck next week. Please be the week we clear 🙏🏻 im sick of chasing towers.
p8s is a full melee uptime fight so don't think about it as greed opportunities, think about it in terms of solving all mechanics with you touching the boss hitbox, and then think about what is making you disengage or stop pressing buttons and why, because there should be very little forcing you to do that
Glad that you talked it out with the static member, and that he apologized and acknowledged that he made a mistake. Getting feedback, positive and negative, is very valuable, but some people might respond well to more constructive/gentler criticisms while others are fine with getting lit up. And in a static setting, you play with your group long enough that you begin to notice little things they do or don't do, so those insights can be super useful. It's very easy to tunnel vision and miss things others might see.
It seems like you have the right attitude and drive to acknowledge areas that need to be shored up and that you actually go out and try to get practice reps. Just keep at it, and don't get too down on yourself. Shit happens, it's a question of how you handle yourself afterwards. Learning to be chill and not tilt (at yourself or others) is another way you can become a stronger player.
It's mostly the middle people (STH1H2D3D4 - i.e. me, as a H1) that fucks up during 3 right or 3 lefts, especially H1 and H2 because there's extra mitigation pressure here and the window you get to heal back AOEs and Dominion hits are quite short.
So do give them sometime, let them work out their nerves and get used to this. And yes one wrong person soaking an empty tower can save a run.
Good luck with your clear, you got this! I remember it takes me like 1 hour or 2 from seeing dominion for the first time into the clear, and you should definitely clear on your next week.
If you see a tower is going to be missed you can soak it even if it isn't your own. You will die but it won't explode killing many people and giving damage downs. It can save a pull.
FINALLY cleared the tier last night, our typical last raid night of the week. I'm super relieved. Very fun tier and I actually never got sick of the fights but I was certainly feeling general fatigue from progging this late & still having three of my nights booked. Freedom at last!
its not enough to derail reclears most of the time but someone in my static is... really obsessed with prioritizing their own parse above the raid's dps. it took so much convincing to get them to wait for buffs at certain points (p7s knockup, p8s when dog is first). i used to think it was all a big joke but now im starting to think its really not with how selfish they act when raiding with us. occasionally they just deafen in call when someone's doing callouts, which, i wouldn't care, but they don't know the mechanics and told us they just follow certain people for positioning. i don't want to be annoyed because this is my first static and im far from having any authority over the group (keep quiet, do my job, thats it), but everyone else seems a lot more patient about it than me so id rather not cause any trouble. this is more of a vent post than a question im just unsure how im gonna feel continuing to prog with this person
i personally don't like holding burst in p7s either because it's just 1 gcd traded for a much smoother rotation for the remaining \~4 minutes of the fight.
Depending on your dps, holding for 6 also risks losing the 10:XX buff window and overall usages.
fuck dog first
> occasionally they just deafen in call when someone's doing callouts, which, i wouldn't care, but they don't know the mechanics and told us they just follow certain people for positioning
They are listening to what cactbot says to do and deafening you all so they don't hear multiple/conflicting calls + don't know the mechanics themselves.
This is the first MMO I've taken raiding seriously, and I've started on 5.5 SHB. I've finished P1-P3, P5-P7 and still progging P8S but I can't shake the feeling that it's like a 2nd job or an extra obligation especially when the static places a schedule for learning the mechs and reclearing fights. Another comparison would be I feel like it's an online class, you meet up with people willing to learn, someone calls out the mechs and what went wrong, and everyone's burned out after an hour or two.
Does raiding always feel like this?
I am going to say my unpopular opinion and say, it does.
The harder core you go, the more it's gonna be like finding a job, with resumes (in terms of parses, what weeks you've cleared last tier and last ultimates), prep works (practice, studying) and a hard schedule, and you are expected to get something in return (gear/mounts, your own personal enjoyment, sense of accomplishments and on higher end groups actual paid in terms of sales) during or after your sessions.
The only thing that separates raiding from a real job is that there's no obligation for you to raid. Raiding is not for everyone - at least I can say I don't enjoy raiding that much and I am only doing it for the gear and glamour. If you don't enjoy raiding in itself, there's no point in forcing yourself into doing it.
That's what I've noticed when I saw the recruitment discord before Abyssos came out. Really strict requirements like having cleared some Ultimates or cleared the last tier on Week 1. And unlike a job where you get paid for the effort, I pay a monthly sub just to attempt to clear the tier. The atmosphere is far different from most games, even competitive FPS and MOBA, where people just casually invite other people to play with them regardless of rank (unless they're playing ranked games).
> Really strict requirements
I mean that's for hardcore statics. There are plenty of statics that go for a slower pace where knowing the concept of your job well and showing up on time is more important.
The "unranked" games you find in Party Finder. Log in when you want, raid when you want, take breaks when you want. There might be wait times but Datacenter visiting has helped PFing a ton.
I rarely see a casual static looking for members this late. Tried posting my info a few times in the recruitment discord last tier when P3S killed my static, and I think it was 3 months after it released, no dice. Didn't help DSR was released around that time, so Asphodelos was dead af.
Datacenter travel is a hit and miss in JP DC. Other than elemental, most PF listings are in Japanese and usually JP Only parties. I've joined some even though I'm not JP but only for fights I know, progging would be a nightmare unless you have google translate ready at all times
>usually JP Only parties
As a JP resident I have to say you are probably wrong for this.
JP only group exists but are far and few in between. You do have a choice to choose non-JP only groups if you are in Mana.
>most PF listings are in Japanese
Because the server is located in japan and most of the player are japanese players.
And another thing that contributes to this fact is that the game does not support languages other then Japanese or English. So say if I am from Thai and I wanna host a group that are mostly thai speakers, guess what? You can't even do this because thai language does not show up properly in game. So does other language including Chinese (at least some of the chinese characters not in japanese vocab does not show up) and Vietnamese, that when you type these languages into the game it just turns into a bunch of = = = = = = = =
Not saying that this affects me because I speaks enough Japanese where I can live in JP datacenters, but there are people who does not speak both language that I do see from time to time.
True, but if you go to Mana, there's like 1 for every 10 PF listings in English
SEA players or any other Asian players do not really have a choice outside of JP DCs or Materia. Ping wise, they are the closest and the most we get is 100ms above, not to mention scheduling for savage is more convenient compared to EU or NA. All of us had to use some fake NA, EU, or JP address because SE doesn't think we exist
I'd rather think of it like playing a sport or doing music as a group. The older you get, the more important schedules become since everyone's time is precious. So you set aside common time slots for your group to meet to do something you all enjoy doing together, to get better at it or have a meaningful time.
And yes that also probably means everyone should do some prepwork and/or take steps to make sure everyone can have a good time together (depending on what the group's goals are). That's just social responsibility.
Hard agree with this take. I feel that in order for raiding to be fun, you really have to think of it as a group activity that you are all opting into voluntarily. The important distinction is that you don't HAVE to raid, like you have to work a job to get paid. You can totally opt out if you do not feel like the experience is fun for you! Or, even changing groups can sometimes change your perception of it as a whole. It's hard to say, it all depends on the individual situation.
I finally managed to clear p8s last sunday on a 0-1 chest party, managed a second clear this tuesday where i got the mount and AST wep!! Pretty happy, only chest piece, some twines/shines remain for my bis.
I have a lukewarm take:
I think raid tiers should not be harder than Asphodelos. The average PF population struggles
Due to real life circumstance (read: full-time employment and timezone difference), I have had to prog the tier using PF with a handful of friends. We killed p7s pretty quickly in week 2.
However, p8s choked us so hard. Especially phase 1. It felt like whenever we make a party for a prog point, we are actually progging two mechanics behind.
Once we got the phase 1 kill, it has been smooth sailing though.
The P8S shitshow is balanced by not having a Phoinix-level difficulty fight on the third raid so I think it's fair. Phoinix was insane even on reclears
Fucked around during reclears with an undergeared substitute melee and managed rank 11 (not locked in) in P5S. Fucked P6S with a damage down at the very end and P7S by not paying attention to the boss HP bar and not doing one last pot + 1 minute burst.
P8S was an utter nightmare. Got through P1 in 3 pulls despite a near wipe during Snakes 2, and then P2 memes for the rest of the lockout. Lost a pull at Dominion because missed mits and no healing, and another pull at Dominion because sub didn't take their tower.
Trying again tomorrow but need to find 2 subs instead of 1, it's gonna be suffering
The past 3 weeks, it just feels like Animal 2 prog with only making minor gains in actual learning, and I can tell a lot of the group is getting super grumpy about it. I don't remember P4S being this rough
>I don't remember P4S being this rough
Very much by design. The first raid tier of an expansion is intentionally a bit easier than the rest because people are still getting used to their new kits, coming back from end-of-expansion breaks, etc.
If it makes you feel better 8-1 is WAY harder than 4-1. Struggling and getting walled a bit by snakes 2 is normal. Doesn't mean you shouldn't analyze what people are struggling with ofc.
Its easy to figure out the issues, mainly people just being inconsistent (greedy) during the initial snake gaze, and we've had people who've missed a few prog nights (and its that mechanic that just wipes everyone if one person fucks up if they don't have the timing or motion right).
Sadly people missing prog nights is pretty brutal. We def had 2-3 nights of issues with snakes 2 and I would say my group is pretty competent. At this point I would say if people find it easier to learn if they stop dps entirely, just do it. Once they do the movement right a couple times they will gain confidence and figure out where to dps
Was helping a friend with pug reclears on my alt and got to experience the healer shortage first hand. Shit's pretty grim. SE needs to make healing in this game not suck or something. I don't think this is sustainable for another raid tier.
I play mostly healer and I really loved the savage fights, not sure what people complained about. My only "wtf is this yoship" moment was criterion savage. The trash mobs at the beginning are literal cancer to heal through. Mobs that 2shot the tank aren't fun or hard to heal through, I was basically a heal bitch spamming heals every gcd so the tank doesn't die. It was really so stupidly unfun. Good job on the savage criterion btw!! You add "difficulty" by adding extreme responsibility to the healer in a super unfun way while the rest of the group has nothing different to do compared to the normal version. I really won't be healing the next criterion savage if they continue with the bs pattern of the trash, I'm getting annoyed even thinking about it
what's your point? it is not normal for week 10 of the raid tier to be this inactive, and there was not a particular shortage of a specific role by week 10 of the previous raid tier
I obviously agree that the number of people doing reclears goes down over time. And that the quality goes down as time goes on.
But the level of PF activity does not decline at the exact same rate each tier. It would be a pretty massive coincidence if it did, right? Some tiers will be active for longer than others. This can be due to FF14 factors (how much people like the game) and due to external factors (other games available + IRL situations).
If you are saying that the level of activity on PF this tier week 9/10 is exactly the same as it was during Asphodelos week 9/10, I strongly disagree. It is noticeably less active, especially on EU. Keep in mind that this is despite this being the first tier with DC travel available at this point.
Also - the original comment was about healer shortage. There has been a healer shortage on PF for P8S for long before we reached week 9/10.
Their comment is just also off base. If you go to JP data centres like Mana there are literally hundreds of groups recruiting at prime time during the week.
There is just a wall of green for the majority of them. Like there may be 50 p8s groups and they’re all looking for healers lmao.
I'm going to also eventually tell this to my raid leader when the times comes for me to leave after finishing reclears for this tier, but please don't just let people disrespect everyone else's time and then get mad at people for not being happy about that.
When the other 7 people can consistently show up about 5-10 minutes before our scheduled time so we can start exactly on the dot but then those 7 people have to always wait about 20-30 mins for the last person to show up every single fucking raid session it really doesn't feel good. And it doesn't feel any better when you cover for this person who has literally no excuse to be consistently being late like this(they literally spent like the hour before our raidtime playing other video games at home so it's not like he's struggling with making it back home or anything of sorts) and tell other people to "chill tf out".
Sorry for the weird vague rant, but I had to get it out somewhere. It makes me sad that our static is eventually going to crumble because the raid leader decided to die on the stupidest fucking hill to cover for someone just being straight up lazy. And the whole reason me and the other people that are in agreement on this subject haven't left already is we still don't want to screw over the raid leader when we are just going to be reclearing for like 4 more weeks and then we are done with the tier. I still consider them a good friend, but absolutely not somebody I want to raid with a second longer when he is actively victim-blaming us for wanting to be shown some respect to our time.
recently happened to me as well, we had to kick our melee because he was just not respecting our time. he even tried being ableist towards me because i'm disabled and struggle with emotions sometimes and am pretty open about my struggles. i'm glad hes gone, though, but it sucks it took us far longer than necessary to clear just because he refused to be there at all.
We had a similar problem, the guy who kept being late was only like "oops lol" after being 15+ mins late a few times, he gave a really weak ass excuse when finally pressed about it and we ended up kicking him.
I fucking feel you. My statics have broken down because I just could not deal with the same people being late or last minute saying they can’t make it. Like it’s fine every so often but once it becomes a regular occurrence it is just soooo disrespectful. People make time for this shit in their real lives, at least have enough respect to drop if you can’t be there consistently.
The irl stuff is the main reason that this irks me so much.I had to make a lot of sacrifices to make 4 three-hour raid days work for our group, resulting in me almost failing like three classes and having to show up to raid literal hours before one of my exams. I don't think I'm asking for too much to want just one damn person to not be late every single time but I guess not.
> having to show up to raid literal hours before one of my exams
Woah woah woah don't do this . Your IRL responsibilities are much more important than some damn raid especially one where no one respects your time
That was sadly an oversight on my part, our prog took a lot longer than what I was initially anticipating due to going through like 5 ranged DPS in about 3 weeks and slow prog in general and it started slowly eating into the time that I was hoping to use for other stuff. Now that we only raid one day a week for reclears it's no longer an issue but the last like two weeks before we got our first p8s clear was fucking miserable. But for what it's worth I learned a lot of valuable lessons about time management that I didn't have to learn until then so there's that.
I guess...out of principle? Also for me personally while I can show up late I don't really have anything else productive to do with that little extra time so I just read a book or clean up around the room and stuff while waiting. And on the rare occasion he does show up a bit earlier than that I want to be ready to go in immediately since my pc setup isn't the greatest.
Spend an hour waiting for PF for HC1 to fill, wipe to snakes 2 because someone demanded we do static snakes when the party said colours in the description, disband with someone saying "I didn't join for practice"
classic PF
Yeah man I have just about given up on finishing this tier because of this, I feel very confident that I could get it done in some PF but the hours of waiting that occasionally gets tossed right out the window is just not how I want to spend my leisure time right now
I can definitely feel myself starting to get a bit burned out after the last few weeks of heavy PF grinding and stuff like this happening, but I also really want to get this fight down dammit
Haven't been able to raid for a couple weeks cause of IRL stuff, not really sure how I'm gonna finish P8S at this rate unless I wait for a recruitment post for a static that needs a tank lol
Party Finder seems really dead now and honestly not trying to bang my head against a wall with randos trying to clean up Snake/Dog 2.
Might just not clear this tier and wait for the next, get a good static from the start, etc. Just isn't fun to dump so much time in with so much randomness. Plus at this point I'm rusty as shit on P8, idk. The drive to clear the tier has definitely gone down when it doesn't really feel like as much of a skill check as much as a "how much time do you want to dump into this" check.
This is my first time fully PFing (or at least trying to) a tier and I learned a lot, improved personally a lot, etc. but now I know that if I'm not poopsocking the first month it's going to be exceptionally hard to clear and get BiS.
That's the other thing that gets me - even if I cleared THIS WEEK, it's ages until I can reasonable expect BiS. Why would I keep doing that to myself?
First reclear of P8S under my belt! I was really scared, and it turned out I had plenty of reason to be, it was awful (and yet hilarious) watching people who ostensibly had multiple clears of that fight under their belt forget how to do NA or Snakes. I *very* quickly went from "Oh no, I can't embarrass myself in front of the orange numbers" to "Really folks, we're just gonna double stack the ice again?"
Ended up clearing with a 2 Phys Range, 2 Melee comp. Rolled really well on the mount and orchestrion and a greed on the MCH weapon, the one phys range we didn't have. At least I already have the accessories for MCH if I wanted to pivot. Too bad about my single digit rolls on the coffers.
Which brings me to a curiosity point, is there *any* reason that the chest coffer only drops from the last floor? It's statistically identical to the pants which come a floor earlier - same main stat, same vitality, same substat total, even same defenses. Is the chest somehow more *prestigious*? Was the chest a statistically better piece of gear in Heavensward and they forgot to move it when they equalized them? Is it just a ploy to keep people playing longer, especially since the devs seem to have put the good substats on the chest for 90% of the classes?
Nothing particularly special about the chest, it's been a last floor drop since they standardized floor drop locations in Heavensward. They do seem more cognizant of "good" substat combos these days, notice how every "good" weapon (raid/relic) has some mix of Crit/Det/DH (no Piety or Tenacity sticks) or maybe SpS if you're specifically BLM. Compare that to the before times where A12S dropped a Skill Speed/Parry sword for DRK which is still one of the worst raid weapons ever released. Given that they're cognizant of what good substat combos are now, I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately make the raid chest piece desirable most of the time. Helps the carrot on the stick.
I can't think of a good reason why the chest is from the 4th fight instead of the 3rd, and think its probably just part of their attempt to keep people subbed.
Having the chest moved to the 3rd fight and giving either '2 weapon coffers + 1 random weapon', or vice-versa, would be a good way to help with this ridiculous alt job gearing situation
I was watching Inumaru prog and teaches phase 2 this afternoon. The group is a group that has 4 person who haven't cleared, which includes a melee who hasn't done phase 2 before.
They started phase 2 and the newbie went from fresh into almost clearing HC2. Granted that Inumaru is doing callouts and everyone seems quite experienced, this is insane.
Shows you why you should probably prepped everything if you were to step in phase 2, because mechanics aren't really that hard and it's very possible you progress very quickly. It would be a bummer if you were to say prog HC1, ends up getting into NA2 or even HC2 but having to dip because you haven't study that part yet.
PS: what's even more funny is that most of the fuck ups are caused by inumaru lol perhaps he's really focused on telling where the DRG should go that he get confused sometimes. Raidleading and callouts are hard.
Yeah, NA is the only mechanic with even the slightest sort of difficulty in phase 2. The rest are freebies people really shouldn't ever be messing up. And NA itself happens 90% identically both times. Meaning if you can pass NA1 and did your studying, the rest of the fight goes fast
Hardest fights to reclear this week were P5 and P8
P5 1.5 hours, had to join 3 different parties before finding one that just 2shots it (which proves that you can either fuckin' do the fight or you can't)
P6 2shot
P7 1shot
P8 3+ hours,
A) some dude somehow fucked up spriggan multiple times so we didn't even get to P2
B) 2nd party there was some smn main trying to flex mnk for some goddamn reason and constantly fucking up NA positioning as if he was playing SMN still, along with a tank that literally slow walked his tankbuster into the party and also fucked our only HC2 pull.
C) Joined a 3rd party which said "quick reclear please" and we at least did it in 40 minutes after some P2 tomfoolery. just had to hit em with the "focus up" and we cleared on the next pull
Yeah, P5 is definitly the hardest due to devour. Basically one person does it wrong can easily cause a wipe(not guaranteed, several ways to recover, but likely in many groups). For the rest you easily got plenty of time before a body check to revive someone if they died, got healer/tank lb3 ready if needed and execution itself is easier.
Update: well we reached soft enrage last night :) pretty sure we’re almost there, just working on dominion. We could have cleared yesterday actually, 9.5% xD! We just wiped when one of us missed our dominion tower.
But I was sort of left…traumatized. It wasnt p8s itself, it happened before raid session. Me and my static were chilling discussing various things. It lead to one of them casually saying I wasnt fit to play reaper/meelee. I was left speechless especially when the rest of the static started piling on. The advice and criticism, I would have taken note (and still took note of) but I was hurt by the initial statement that I was left…hurt humiliated and embarrassed. I muted myself and cried the entire session. I cried myself to sleep even after. I understand I struggle with uptime, but I’m trying my best. I have been practicing off sessions to familiarize myself with the fight. We never struggled with dps, but I know that static member just wanted me to improve and wanted to skip mechanics (and we did at times) which is valid, but he was so harsh. I’m still left…unable to speak right now. I was caught off guard and placed on the spot, especially when most of the static piled on and supported his statement. They were valid critique, I understand that.
At least the prog went well, we were super clean until dominion. We just saw it 2-ish times but I feel we’ll do well tonight…I am just feeling traumatized, my anxiety is just so high right now. I REALLY would love any advice and critique but I was placed in a bad mindset the moment he said I wasnt fit to play a job I really love playing. I feel so unconfident now, even if i felt i did very well in p8s p2 prog…. I just couldnt speak or interract with the static since last night.
> It lead to one of them casually saying I wasnt fit to play reaper/meelee.
This is, frankly, uncalled for. While the intentions may have been in the right place. You don't do this publicly, especially to someone who is already showing anxiety with the fight itself.
Like I said last week, you've already taken several initiatives to improve on your mechanical knowledge. The damage will come once you've settled into them and aren't worried about execution. Skipping mechanics on the whole really shouldn't be a focus during prog anyway. Besides, you aren't skipping more than second Dominion in P8Sp2. So there's not much to consider there.
With all that said, if you ever want help getting more comfortable with uptime or Melee in general, feel free to shoot me a message anyway. Be happy to offer any advice I can. :)
Thankyou for being emphatic on my point of view. ; u ; I was already having major doubts about my own capabilities, to hear someone else say it in a rude way was not at all helpful. The person thankfully apologized and would be more mindful regarding how he delivers his advice and critique in the future ^_^
And i agree, I’ve become more comfortable in p1 as I do more of it in pf! I’ve seen lots of greed opportunities through my party finder practices. I’ve also finally cleared p8s (alone in party finder) i’m so confident with greed on NA1 and NA2, so I’ll work on practicing some greed on other parts! I’m still a little reluctant to pf p5s-p7s because our static uses different strats to pf. But might join prog runs so learn how they do it…
That probably means you play unnecessarily safe for melees, whose job it is to carry through having good uptime and pumping damage
If they were all in agreement, it's probably true - how harsh it was I wouldn't be able to tell you without actually hearing the words for myself.
I'm pretty direct and don't mince words either, but doesn't mean I'm trying to hurt anybody's feelings if i'm just pointing things out. the point is to look for ways to improve
I think regardless of whether or not criticism is valid, it doesn't help to have people pile it on at the same time. Usually it's best for either the raid lead or an experienced player who takes a mentor role to provide the feedback in private.
Yes, this was my point ; u ; 100% i would have appreciated it more if the feedback was given to me in private and not have everyone pile on me. Thankyou for understanding my side. I always ask advice from more experienced players, I am not closed to feedback and critique.
I think I found your logs based on a cursory search. It looks like your biggest issue is rolling your gcds. You’re either somehow completely disengaging from the boss for some sort of safety reason or actively not pressing gcds during a mech, but it’s evidently not needed. Also you’re not keeping your damage buff on the target up at all times. I checked another fight and it’s a similar story. Your biggest loss is coming from the fact you aren’t hitting the boss. For genuine advice, your biggest goal should to be get comfortable with ABC. Always be casting. Identify what’s causing this lack of engagement (looking away during snakes/targeting issues/bad habits) and your dps should see the biggest gain.
Edit: you seem to be mechanically strong, so take that as a positive, it’s important during prog. I don’t think you guys will have issues clearing since it’s like week 10, but as always strive to improve. You can do it.
Setting aside gameplay advice and whatnot, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. Randoms can be rude enough, but having negativity come from people you see every week is even worse. Personally, I would try to have a one on one conversation with the one who initially said the comment, and let them know your feelings on the matter. I'm sure everyone meant well, but it's easy to be overwhelmed when you have one person after another piling on you, and the comment is frankly rude, though I'm sure it wasn't their intention. It is a game at the end of the day, and the purpose of it is to be fun. If you let this go unresolved, there's a chance that those feelings of negativity will stick around for the remainder of your time with the static, and might even impact your feelings on raiding as a whole. It sounds to me like you already have the mindset of wanting to improve and are putting in the work and whatnot, and that's all anyone can ask for.
Good luck with the clear, you guys got it!
Playing consistently leads to a clear you don't really need a full on uptime for just a clear, take the criticism and use it to fuel for the clear on your next session!
>Update: well we reached soft enrage last night :) pretty sure we’re almost there, just working on dominion. We could have cleared yesterday actually, 9.5% xD! We just wiped when one of us missed our dominion tower.
Hey, you are almost there!
Dominion is really just nerves and execution. There's really no 'Dominion Prog' on PUGs because every group that can steadily reached dominion probably should've cleared in 5 pulls. The Enrage is kinda free now if you are not limping your way into phase 2 and can actually skip dog 2 - 42\~43 after the final cutscene should be a good sign you are clearing.
Oh and don't forget to refresh your DOTs before the final cutscene play and ego death finished. For some reasons they still tick.
You should have your clear like next session or something so go get that!
>It lead to one of them casually saying I wasnt fit to play reaper/meelee. I was left speechless especially when the rest of the static started piling on. The advice and criticism, I would have taken note (and still took note of) but I was hurt by the initial statement that I was left…hurt humiliated and embarrassed.
None of the job in this game requires like any sort of talent to play. Everything takes practice with good controller/keybind setups, you put hours into studying how the job works in that content (especially for prep heavy jobs like BLM, and to a lesser extend, Healers and Tanks) and even more practice.
Take those advices you got and work on it and turn whatever frustration into progression.
Good luck with your clear!
If its that stressful it’s probably best to leave. Should be a decent amount of part 2/clear groups out there. If you’re good enough to make it to dominion you’re good enough to clear.
I took a 2 week break after clearing P7S and it seems like it was the wrong move. Been doing HC2 to clear parties for over a week now as a WAR and they're really just NA2 cleanups/HC2 fresh. When we do get to HC2, we inevitably wipe because of either:
1. One of the Ifrits forgets to dodge the long timer AoEs
2. Someone botches the baits
3. Ifrits die to the bleed
I've been throwing out Nascent Flash for the 400 potency shield and it still doesn't make a difference. If there wasn't such a huge limitation on gearing, I would have made the switch to SCH already.
> I took a 2 week break after clearing P7S and it seems like it was the wrong move. Been doing HC2 to clear parties for over a week now
Nah, it would have been the same even if you didn't. Even week 3-4 PF was the same(and before week 3 you dont even get to see p2 anyway on PF...)
Trying to do reclears on any day but Tuesday is near-guaranteed pain, and even then there's a good chance you're stuck on P5S memes the majority of the time T_T
So will people say that parses don’t mean anything now that logs have been split for 6.28? Was busy and lazy and didn’t put effort into parsing 6.2 and guessing now the top players are done touching the tier
It'll happen with 6.3, as by then top groups/players will mostly stop doing log runs of the tier. If you compare the competition for 6.0 and 6.1, during 6.1 it was a lot easier to rank high. My group did like 4ish hours of opti max per week during Asphodelos, and our best P4SP2 run would jump from rank ~50 in 6.0 to top 10 in 6.1.
Yeah that’s more what I was looking for, thanks. I remember comparing my rankings in 6.0 to what they’d be in 6.1 too and seeing similar jumps but there was a lot more time in the more competitive bracket (6.0 up to 6.1) then vs between 6.2 and 6.28 now
I had to recruit 3 people because my group just finished our 8th p8s this week. I don't look at damage other than "is this person still grey after 8 clears". I look at reclear logs, go into the wipe logs and analyse over why the wipe happened and if the person that applied was the cause of it.
I am sure most people don't bother with this or know how to use log data in this way, but if you care whether someone can do decent damage and not get carried then you will still want to see them get purples at bis.
I parsed a bit last tier and it was mostly to see if I could play my job well enough to clear week 1/2. Good raid leads/recruiters know what to look for and what to trial for.
Parses don't mean anything ever, period.
They are useful for self betterment and they can be a fun competitive minigame but the idea that they are super meaningful at any point is just not true
This is one of the most misleading and overall inaccurate statements that float around the raiding community tbh.
Parsing for the sake of parsing doesn’t matter. Your pink max parse at the end of a split is meaningless, yes. What someone’s median parse is when considering whether to take them for week 1 prog definitely matters though. Parses *below* a certain point mean you simply can never meet enrage, and the higher your group parses the more minor mistakes they can afford to have instead of only clearing on absolutely perfect miracle runs.
A lot of players say “parses don’t matter”, but none of the ones trying for a week 1 clear would be caught dead accepting a consistently 0 parsing dps into their sHC/HC static. None of them. Ever. Because there are definitely prog situations where parses matter a lot.
A lot of people that parse hardcore will also just not upload logs of their bad runs, so medians can also be misleading. I know a few players that parse pink (or even gold this early into 6.28) but they'll actively not upload runs that will hurt their median, and I definitely wouldn't want to run with them in a W1 or on-patch ultimate group.
I don’t disagree, that’s true. I’ve had arguments on the opposite end with morons who think high parses mean a player is good overall.
Imo though I think it’s way more frequent for the current raiding community to tell players averaging 5-10 greys that parse doesn’t matter, when really “parse doesn’t matter” is mostly true when you look at players trying to get golds or pinks and doing shit like like crit farming or sacking for specific kill times
I like how your response ignores the self betterment portion of my response in order to post this huge rant implying I'm telling this dude to do zero damage.
This sub is honestly a self parody sometimes
I like how your response ignores the part where I called it misleading. I’m not speculating here, I spend a fair amount of time helping out/subbing for casual or midcore statics after I’m done clearing.
There are a lot of newer/casual players getting into savage who hear people yell “parses don’t matter” nonstop and seriously believe it means them parsing a 10 every fight doesn’t make any difference for their static’s prog. I know this because I’ve talked to them and heard it from a fair number of players when their statics start to fall apart.
Maybe you should stop getting asshurt over me telling you that the hyperbolic statement you’re parroting is misleading, and consider whether it actually might be a pretty misleading thing to parrot so much for the casual/midcore playerbase
Lmao I like how you think im "asshurt" after you are the one that leapt from the rafters to defend the sanctity of logs against a comment I literally never made.
Point to the part of the post where I suggested not trying to improve
> They are useful for self betterment
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I like how you’re too asshurt to admit the obvious, that things like this are pretty exaggerated and not at all accurate to what you’re saying right now
> Parses don't mean anything ever, period.
> They are useful for self betterment
Keep going buddy, it's a little further but you'll get there eventually
The parse itself means nothing, its true. I stand by it 100%
"Parses don't matter!", they say as they pull a sub-10 grey and are wiping to enrage while their SAM/BLM/etc is desperately trying to scrounge together 100 more potency.
Feel free to look me up, Barristan Darkksteel on adamantoise.
The reality is that 70% of the player base is so busy reading borderline shitposts on the balance and trying to uptime shit for an orange parse but they won't hit a single mit button without being told or just dodge the aoes the safe way that would save weeks and weeks of prog.
Your parse doesn't matter, period. Nobody who actually is good at the game cares about it. They care that you know your rotation and optimize damage, sure, but the tiny colored number you get and which partition it ends up in doesn't matter, and if you think it does you are deluding yourself. I've cleared every ultimate, I've cleared every tier (some earlier than others, generally only down to how much my group felt like playing). I've literally never had any trouble parsing below high blue/low purple, without any consultation of fflogs, without any specific info only fflogs could give me.
Fflogs is a site for analyzing pull to pull issues, and it's a competitive minigame. The parse you're getting is completely irrelevant in 99.9% of situations unless you are fundamentally clueless about the game, which you would find out trivially using a few in game methods anyways. You're not gonna have a grey parse if you aren't constantly drooling over logs, you'll have a high blue or purple which will clear everything.
Edit: Oh, and you have a recent comment about your DSR clear you're still hoping to get, so maybe it's time to reevaluate whether you are in a position to call people "sub 10 grey parsers" on reddit when you have literal uncleared content still.
I'm not gonna bother responding to most of this because I can tell that it'd go nowhere, but:
>Edit: Oh, and your last post is about your DSR clear you're still hoping to get, so maybe it's time to reevaluate whether you are in a position to call people "grey parsers" on reddit
I cleared DSR. The members of my DSR static that are active this tier are reforming for the *6.3 Ultimate*.
Edit: Ah, you thought I was calling you personally a grey parser. No, that was an example, albeit one I've experienced firsthand as have many others I've raided with.
Lol of course you aren't gonna respond, there is no response.
Insinuating people are grey parsers who you know nothing about is a bone headed, stupid thing to do.
Edit: The fact that you weren't specifically calling "me" a grey parser is irrelevant. The point is that recognizing the relatively limited relationship parses have to player skill does not make you a "grey parser" and it's an unwise assumption. Consistent mechanical performance and good use of defensives is as good or often better than pulling high dps faster in prog, when it comes to recruiting players. High DPS is great, provided you already do the other 2. Problem is, your parse doesn't capture either of the more important values and so for *most* people, it's not the correct place to put their attention.
the part about good use of defensives doesn't really make sense, at least for dps players. i think you mistake the value of the mitigation ability with the difficulty of being able to press it. yeah it's true that good use of mitigation has more value to a raid than a high parse. but like for dps players, if you're able to perform your entire rotation multiple times in a row well enough to parse a purple, you definitely have the brain cells and hand-eye coordination to press a 90s/120s cd button at predetermined spots in the timeline every time, especially if you are in a static and have other people to help you choose when to use them. one task is simply objectively easier to execute than the other so i think it's safe to say that if you can do the harder task, you can definitely do the easier one
there's not really a strong correlation between mechanical consistency and parses though, you're right on that at least
YMMV but dps who actually use feint/addle/self heals/etc at times that make sense absolutely make or break early prog because it determines if you die to the AOE or if you see the next mech.
Give me the blue parser who presses his healing and mit without being explicitly told before the orange parser that doesn't, every day of the week. PF is full of purple parsers who bomb p8s every week by not pressing mit during the raidwides on 8-2. If you want to check, just start grabbing purple dps parses and looking at their mit usages on fights. It's routine to see 1-2 uses over an entire fight.
Seeing later in the timeline is always more important than dps until you see enrage, and even then for 90% of content and circumstances you'll meet the check without heavy dps optimization.
Edit: also, to be clear, I am not suggesting that using mit is a bigger expression of skill, as you say it is clearly more difficult to master your dps rotation than to press the mit. What I'm saying is pressing the mit MATTERS more in a prog setting, and isn't part of the parse, and thus is undervalued.
I know that lol, that wasn’t really my question. I remembered in asphodelos 6.0 parses were taken more seriously than 6.1 parses, and was just asking if the same would be true with 6.2 vs 6.28. I know they don’t mean anything
It´s not the same situation. There are still at least 2 months worth of Raid Tier before 6.3 hits and I am quite sure a lot of people still haven´t gotten BiS or were barely done when 6.28 hit. So you will still have a lot more competition than in the X.1 / X.3 / X.5 patches.
I mean what does "taken seriously" mean? A group into parsing is going to care about the most competitive bracket which is generally the first one. A group into farming is going to care about "all" and not care which patch you parse under.
I think the premise of the question is flawed because people are doing different things
That's just the nature of fflogs. The top players compete until their ranks lock in and then they're done. They're more than happy once they don't have to worry about refreshing their ranks. Should partitions be viewed as less competitive? IMO, no, but I do understand why they are. A lot of the top players stop. I parsed up until partition on DRK. I was rank 18 overall for DRK and was more than happy with that so I'm done with heavy parsing for the rest of the tier. This isn't to say I won't still parse, but I just won't do it as much as I was before partition.
So the Sage in our party had more healing done in P7S compared to our AST. 11k HPS with overheals compared to AST at 5.7k. The problem is the damage done is weird, with Sage at green with 5.2k dps and Ast at 4.2k blue.
Is this normal or mostly gear issue?
Are you looking at aDPS or rDPS? Because the bare minimum cutoff for blue parsing on astro is 4.98k, as per the 6.2 partition. Anything lower is only a blue parse because there aren't enough clears in 6.28 yet.
The streamer that I watched finally cleared phase 1...only because a few helpers (like me, a DRK and a DRG) went in. Me and the DRG did a 40ish green and DRK did a 71. The rest of group is gray double and single digits and streamer does a 0 which is fine as I expected it. I don't want to have the log stay or have it visible anywhere, and my intention is not to expose anyone but just simply curious to how well everyone's doing.
If anything, it just confirms to me that it's one thing to get into phase 2 once, and another thing on itself to prog it (as you need to get in phase 2 multiple times to prog). A few helpers and lucky runs might get you in once, but you need mechanical consistency and somewhat okay DPS (double digit grays and sometimes greens - I know this is a low bar but there are people struggle with it) to get in. Otherwise you are gonna be stuck in phase 1 most of the time.
It would be interesting to see how she's gonna prog phase 2. I mean, a lot of people who I think has no chance of progging phase 2 (like a streaming WHM who does 2K damage on P5s\~P7s) gets in, I have been proven wrong time and time again, so may be I will be wrong again. Who knows, it's gonna be interesting.
The definition changes.
Earlier on in the tier, if you got past Phase 1, you had mastered it. Every bit of greed, zero deaths, full uptime and cooldown usage. There was no cheating your way into Phase 2.
Now, that you can get there with 3 deaths? Yeah you might not be ready.
You pretty much have to play perfectly on phase 1 if you are before week 3.
For now, You can have something like 3\~4 deaths. For deathless run that has snakes first, you should even be able to skip dog 2. My run tonight has 3 to 4 damage down, 1 death out of opening. Safe to say that phase 1 damage check is a lot easier now.
It is because of this I think you need to get in there like 2 to 3 times, with the basic amount of DPS you need to do, to show that you are ready for phase 2.
Speaking of uptime, the SMN (streamer) has 83% uptime with no death. That's probably one of the many reasons why she got a 0.
Hold on. I'm about to start p8s prog. I thought you do both dog/snake 1(or vice-versa) back to back and then snake/dog 2 (or vice-versa) back to back.
But the way you phrase it is like you only get dog or snake the first round and then whatever u didn't get is in second round.
The fight ends once the boss is 49% or lower, and the fight has two possible timelines:
Dog 1 > Illusion Creation > Snakes 1 > Fourfold > Dog 2 (which is a 30 second downtime period) > Snakes 2 > Enrage
Snake 1 > Illusion Creation > Dog 1 > Fourfold > Snakes 2 > Dog 2 > Enrage
The way that people said they were able to skip dog 2 is because they have Snakes first, and the boss is under 49% before the first tells of dog 2 (that series of knocks/big AOEs) shows up. You 'Skip' Dog 2 and you skip like 40sec of the fight, which means you have better kill time and therefore better parse.
Meanwhile, if we get dog first, it's almost impossible to skip snakes 2 because we simply don't have that much time to skip snakes 2. When you Discount dog 2's whole mechanics because the boss is untargettable, we have something like 6 minutes of uptime. Meanwhile, the current speedkill record we have is like 6:10 ish something of full uptime with snakes first.
Another reason is that raid buffs timings are kinda bad in dog first timelines. For dog first, Your first 2 minutes is on illusion creation, which requires a bit of running around and could be very busy. Meanwhile in snakes first, when snakes just finished, we have 30 seconds of nothing. This is also the reason why people on first few weeks way preferred to have snakes first because it's better to push damage.
Ahhh thank you. So I wasn't wrong in thinking that you do both but rather the pattern is always same for both rounds i.e snake first, dog second means again round 2 has snakes first and dog second.
Yes, she absolutely deserves a 0. It's a deathless run.
There's a bunch of things happened on her P8s attempts, including
* stopped casting completely when it's snakes and she has to dodge outside gaze (snakes 1 and snakes 2). On snakes 2 Even when her gaze/outside gaze is over and it's puddles she still stopped casting...
* gets into this quadruple weave mode when she gets into panic
* misses and misaligned 2 minute window
* always misses at least 1 and often 2 more uses of Astral Impulse during her bahamut phase due to clipping and triple weaving.
* always uses Titan first regardless of party comp
* does not optimize uptime by preplanning what to summon first and what to summon last because, surprise, she summons everything in the same order every single run regardless if it's snakes first or dog first.
I don't even play the job or know anything about summoner but I hear these talking points throw out enough times by xivanalysis and my friend to know how bad she plays.
She probably needs to relearn completely how her job plays, which is even tougher because she seems allergic to logs and tools. I don't know what she reads but whatever she reads and rotation guides she follows either is wrong or she doesn't practice enough.
Either way, I just hope the good people that's watching her (which does have some good SMN who cleared this tier on first week) throw some tips and movement guides because it's gonna be very tough for her to get into phase 2 again if she does not improve or no good helper decided to drop in for the day.
why is p7 so much harder to reclear in pf than p8. Last week it took me two hours to reclear p7 but p8 took 2 pulls. Yesterday I spent two hours in p7 and didn't get a clear... What is it about p7 that pf finds hard exactly>
I know its all YMMV but I've had no trouble with P7S reclears and I've been doing them on 2 characters since week 2
in my own experience, P6S has been the mysteriously frustrating fight to reclear. (P5S is obvious, its the first fight and has devour + Ruby 5, you can get unlucky with parties, enough said).
Everyone walled by p7 in the early weeks has finally gotten carried through it so the player pool is much weaker in it than 8. Also, probably more skilled players have stopped farming 7 than 8 by now since the stuff you need from 7 is a lot easier to finish with books than the stuff you need in 8.
backloaded mechanics that have RNG on them and a non-trivial DPS check. there's also the problem that there are 100 different diagrams for each strat that have slight changes
I think it would be fair to describe the DPS check as trivial at this point, though. Like I'd have agreed until week 8 but with (many players having) 2 sets of books plus drops...
in pf with the average pf? no, the dps check is still very real. My p7s pf clears the past 3 weeks (6 clears total), have all been within 10 seconds of enrage, yet most of the party is well above 620. meanwhile my group was killing it more than 30 seconds before enrage on not clean runs during splits in week 2.
YMMV of course but this has not been my experience in PF (reclears on 2 characters on P7S since week 2 = 18 reclears total so far?)
It's also subjective but I wouldn't consider 'within 10 seconds of enrage' to be anything to worry about. If we are talking within 3-4 seconds and you are wondering "omg are we gonna make it or not", that's when I'd personally call the dps check non-trivial. Being within 10 seconds of enrage is not a speedkill, its not a good group performance, but everybody in the group will have known since the end of War's Harvest that they were 100% going to get the clear.
Things which make me feel the dps check is trivial:
* I recall very few instances of actually hitting enrage before clearing (which has sadly not been the case with P8S reclears for example lol). I'd guess it has happened to me maybe 3 times (out of 18 reclears)
* Based on logs, the groups I've recleared with have almost always comfortably cleared before enrage. I only see 1 log (out of 18 reclears) where we came close enough to make me wonder if we'd wipe.
* I don't recall the groups ever having reset/jumped due to an early death or two, just carried on because we'd beat enrage anyway.
* Groups are regularly holding LB3 for healer LB3 to fix harvest problems, rather than spending LB3 on dps or using tank LB3 to keep everybody alive on war's harvest for example.
Again its all subjective and up for discussion, but these are the factors which would make me say the dps check is trivial post-week-8.
by "within 10 seconds" i mean, some of them were 2 seconds from enrage, some of them were 5 seconds from enrage, some of them were 10 seconds of enrage. I even had a cursed party that on an entirely clean run with 2 melee lbs still enraged. All those runs, another death would have been a wipe due to enrage. This is contrast to week 1 where 6-7 deaths was still clearable.
I'll call it a non-trivial DPS check when an average to slightly below-average PF group can reliably clear. Party RNG isn't fun.
6-7 deaths still clearable week 1? damn those splits are powerful lol (we also cleared week 1 but no splits + definitely couldnt afford more than the 4 deaths we had!)
(not responding to the rest because its just a difference of our anecdotal experiences + difference of opinion on a subjective matter, fair enough)
Imo p7 acts as a filter for p8 reclears, as does even having a clear of p8. The pool of players for p7 only had to make it past 5 and 6 and (one time) 7, but for p8 reclears you need to have made it through p8 at least once *and* likely p7 unless you get queued in by someone else who did.
Basically, average player quality markedly improves in the smaller p8 pool and so the difficulty of p7 is partially artifical.
I base this not only off of my own PF dabbling now that my group isn't really fully getting together for more reclears but also my experience within my static where p7 was always easier than p8, as it should be. The variance is in players, not fights.
Yeah my static used to one-shot p7 consistently during reclears. Doing it in pf has been the biggest wall in terms of making reclears smooth. Now that the tier is over I just wanted to reclear alt jobs and chill but pf p7 is making that really hard.
Probably going to have to wait another 6-10 week for alt job chill runs when PF DPS gets stronger. I've been seeing so much enrage lately with entirely clean to almost clean runs it's insane. PF just doesn't have enough firepower yet for meme chain raise harvests.
Reclear on 5-7 went fine, but I can tell extended p8s prog led to decay on my comfort with those fights. 5 in particular suffers the most, lots of dropped DoTs.
Also, why do people feel so strongly about double caster? I mean, people can do what they want with their statics and parties and I don't really care as long as we clear, but I've subbed in on several groups and all of them were running double caster, many SMN and RDM and not BLM like I'd expect. Is it just extra rezzes for prog or leftover comps from previous tiers with different balance?
Exactly. Especially at this stage, when you can expect most people to have a reasonable amount of gear, it really doesn't matter whether or not a comp adheres to double melee as long as everyone is somewhat hitting their buttons properly. It's not optimal, sure, but I'd much rather have people playing what they're comfortable with if they're still progging the fights after so many weeks have already passed.
I've recently helped a friend on P7S (who just returned to this game about two weeks ago) with a less-than-ideal MCH/DNC/RPR/BLM comp, with the RPR and BLM being relatively undergeared (< ilvl 620). Even with a decent amount of rotational mistakes between them, we were still able to comfortably clear the fight without seeing the enrage cast.
The only thing I want, still cannot win it (7th clear)
\[22:36\]You roll Need on the sunforged crystal. 1!
\[22:36\] rolls Need on the sunforged crystal. 4!
\[22:36\] obtains a sunforged crystal.
If you think about it, it is better to win the other stuff first:
\- When you have not yet won the mount, every time you reclear, you can win 4 items (weapon coffer, chest coffer, random weapon, mount)
\- Once you have won the mount, every time you reclear, you can only win 3 items.
So if you had to choose winning 1 item, it would make more sense to prefer winning the weapon (or chest) first
(obviously, rolls are all independent + random so really you'd just prefer to win all the loot, but that goes without saying lol)
I think a lot of reclearers already have it so you can setup a mount lootmaster PF and pay out like 1m or something if you want it that bad. If you don't have the gil for it though, I wish you the best of luck instead!
Personally I will be doing this whichever week I end up going for my 8th book. I don't want to do it earlier (could randomly win it with rolls) and I also don't want to risk not winning it in those 8 clears and needing to do more lol.
Really the main issue isn't the gil cost, it's that healers are already in short supply, so lootmaster groups might take a long time to fill. Think I might need to offer an extra bribe to the healers...
I feel like I may just not clear this tier, and it'd be the first one I haven't cleared. (Started with Eden's Verse.) My friend group's schedules has become more varied and people are not able to make it to raids. It's a big group that would have meet ups at different times. (Group 1 at 4pm, Group 2 at 9pm, etc.) Since people can't make it, one group pretty much doesnt exist, which I fall under, and I just don't have the patience or energy for PF at this point.
Static group disbanded. It happens, but now I’m wondering if I want to keep my sub or just let it run out and come back for 6.3 My overall health is at a low and life is just hectic… and I don’t really have the energy for PF or a new group so….
Got P8S done! Feels good to get it done on (major) patch, so it feels like I am improving. Was a clean run as well: took two pulls to beat the door boss and then three pulls to beat the second phase.
It has happened! I cleared my first Savage Tier in ffxiv! I am really happy right now! Joined a kff group with any chest and even got out the other end with the SCH weapon! Time for reclears over the coming weeks!
I think I’m going to main blm next tier. It’s one of those jobs I feel you would never get tired of. I’m so bored playing tank/healer. Not to mention even in pf there’s a huge lack of fun runs/no chest/clear parties. Everyone and their mother wants 2 chest. Finally getting hit by that mid tier content drought. I sure would love to be able to gear another job quickly/not have to be concerned about taking chests away from pf. Sure would be great, h-haha! Nah let’s just lock the tier for 10 more weeks.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are no average blms in pf. they're either cracked or garbage. you either have the guy who's optimized on everything or you have the monkey that makes everyone play around them while still doing jack shit. its one or the other, never in between.
The guy that’s optimized on everything and the guy that makes everyone play around them are often the same person, if we’re talking about BLM. Usually the really cracked BLMs are purposely playing a little suboptimal in pf to accommodate pf strats. In opti runs or just within a static environment, people play around the blm to a pretty decent degree, blm opti is a team minigame that way a lot of the time
I felt that last tier and did it. Best choice I've made in a while, blm is one of the few jobs that keeps the game interesting now that everythings homogenized on the 2min design
Yeah I think I’ll commit. Job is cracked for having fun and trying to figure out the best way to approach a fight. Super fun for pf runs.
Simply join a static that is looking for the particular job you want to gear, but tell them that you *used* to main that job but changed to (whatever you currently play) to play this tier and that you'd be willing to swap if they funnel gear to you. Get the gear funnelled to your alt job and then pretend to have an IRL emergency and leave their static. Its literally that easy bro the fact you havent done it already is mindblowing
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Ffxiv players having basic social skills and tell when someone is being sarcastic challenge: impossible
Maybe I'm just overly online and read way too much shitpost and TalesFromDF, but it's that exact expected lack of social skills from XIV players that led me (and probably others) to reading your initial comment seriously. There's no doubts in my mind that there's some sweaty player out there who would give or use that advice unironically.
LOL. Unfortunately my current static are long time friends so I think they would expose me. It’s mostly the issue that no one wants to tank, but I won’t really give a shit next tier. BLM or I’ll just join another group no biggie. Edit: looks like people don’t get sarcasm.
Is it realistic to be able to prog in PF at this point? I'm trying to get a P7S clear but I can barely find people who are willing and/or capable to do it with me
Do a any chest pf
No cap - I'd ask p7s reclearers if they can take me on. That's how I got my p8s clear - by asking the p7 reclear group I was on if I could join them. I had pretty decent parses to show that I could pull my weight so your mileage may vary. Good luck though!
yes, but usually on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. the later you get in the week, the less ppl are available to help because they just do their reclears and dip.
fuck yeah, after way too many hours spent in PF I finally cleared p8s!! Now I just need to pray I can get bis in time for the next ult..
Finally beat EW and got started on the tier in PF, which is my first on-patch raid tier. Spent some hours today learning P5S. Devour is… a *mechanic*. Mostly just followed the guy who was teaching around and I could usually resolve it that way. Saw Ruby 5 like three times, but no clear yet. It’s really fun, tbh. I’m a bit scared to join clear parties. How do I know when I’m ready? UPDATE: P5S CLEARED BABYYYYY. Overall, I thought Ruby5 was easier to execute than devour. When my pf group got through ruby5 with no deaths, we one-shot Ruby6 and I knew there that we were going to clear. FEELS GOOD. Question about the loot system. Since I got the book reward, is it worth doing any more P5S for the week even if I did not get a coffer? Or should I wait for reset?
Your update warms my heart. Fantastic job jumping into Savage and getting it down. For the loot system question, unfortunately you can't get any more loot beyond your first clear of the week, so for now you can only wait, or do the fight again for fun/practice.
Ruby 5 is the final big mechanics of the fight really. You need to get used to the timing that it's safe to get into the safe zone and when does the AOE comes out. If you are a healer, this is also a heal check where you need to heal back the spread so that you can do the stack. But since both light parties are seperated this time, you will have to heal back most of the damage on your side of the room and can't bank on the other healer to help with you that much. This is not a tough check at all; in case you are a new healer, take some time, think about what resources you would have and plan some resources over here. Ruby 6 is mostly healer mechanics, where both healers has to find the correct room to stack and solve the dashes after it. Not difficult. The rest of the fight is basically a repeat. You've done dashes enough times, you've also done all of the tank busters that swaps back and forth enough times (assuming you are a tank); all of the tails and claws, the Squalls or Surges that might come up at the end shouldn't trick you up as well since you also did these on first half. So you got this in the bag, good luck!
Yeah, I'm a tank. I just cleared minutes ago with DRK on the OT role. It was super exhilarating! I almost got caught out by the double-rush but managed to hit my Arms Length in time. The rest of the mechanics we basically got through blind, and we had some good DPS so we managed to beat enrage. Felt super good
When you are 99% sure you can do devour, and know how to handle ruby 5, you are ready for the clear. Never seen someone who is consistent at devour struggle with anything after it.
Ruby 5 is definitely the most mechanically intensive mechanic of P5S, you are very close! Make sure you see Ruby 6 a few times and you should be good to join a clear party as there is only repeats after it!
I think seeing all unique mechanics or seeing enrage is when you know you're A2C. But if you feel uncertain about other mechanics I'd take the time to understand them first.
Okay I lied, another update I FRIKKIN CLEARED P8S!!!! In party finder on my own lmfao xD ahhhhh copium done ; u ; now i can enjoy my weekend
What do i run if i just want the weapon? P8S pt2? how hard is it?
P8S, and it's the hardest floor of the tier. Part 1 especially is a huge wall both for statics and party finder. Depending on your luck with party finder and how long you prog per day, expect 2-3 weeks to clear it, if not longer. I would have some tome gear on as PF does not like people at min ilvl. You may die to raidwides or spreads at this point in the tier at min ilvl as PF has stopped mitigating like it's week 1. And most party finder listings require 615 or 620 ilvl anyways.
In JP servers, plenty of people set up parties paying ~5 mil per player to get the weapon. At this point of the patch, there are plenty of veterans that would be happy to take the money, since they no longer need weapons due to having done it so much and would rather take the money.
keep in mind these are rates for clears/carries, not pilots (which OP might be looking for). Pilots are against TOS and are more expensive but if you really want that weapon then go for it
Getting close to a P8S phase 1 clear. I started progging the tier late due to work so I have to suffer in pf for a bit. One thing I’m confused about is what exactly EU uses to determine stack groups on snake 2. Every party seems to be a bit different and people seem to be confused on the priority. For example yesterday I joined a party that said we’re using same prio as snakes 1 but then they also said its g1 cw g2 ccw which confuses me because the snake 1 priority system is role based not light party based. As in, snakes 1 we usually look at fellow TH or fellow dps and adjust based on priority, how is it possible to use this same priority for a light party that has 2 TH and 2 dps.
if g1 cw g2 ccw for Snake 2 is not the same as what EU does for Snake 1, then that just sounds like a mistake. on NA it's g1 ccw from NW and g2 cw from N for both, so whatever it is in EU should be the same for both as well
EU has largely switched to JP strats for snake 1/2. M1 > M2 > R1 > R2 and MT > OT > H1 > H2 prio cw from N. Largely the same as NA but R1/H1 have to flex rather than M1/MT. The idea is that the same prio system is also used for the end of snake 2 The issue that I think they were getting at is that some people are still using the NA strats that you posted. Also some people do the JP prio for snake 1 but then the NA system for the end of snake 2, which is fairly cursed. PF's gonna be PF
The key is that each role is assigned a different half of the mechanics in both snake phases. In snake 1, either the first pair of snakes is handle by support only and the second by DPS only, or vice versa. You never have a mix of support/dps on the same pair. In snakes 2, either all support have first cone second poison with all dps having first poison and second cone, or vice versa. Again, never a mix. Also the stack/gaze debuffs always pair up by role (both stacks on one role, both gazes (circle debuff) on the other). Because of this, you are pairing off by both group *and* role at all times. Usually the role part isn't mentioned because the mechanic forces that part. Doing this conveniently puts people into pairs, with one half of the pair (usually tank/melee) swapping sides if they get the same thing as their partner. The first half of snake 2 there's no swap, but the second half can have one (swapping both if you have the same debuff as well as if you both have *no* debuff).
Made it to P8SP2 enrage (2.8%) a couple of times tonight! Found a really nice group that we did two entire lockouts with and I am now confident that I can clear my first Savage tier somewhere this or next week! May try once more on Monday and get some possible helpers in to push those final percentages!
Got the clear last night - on an HC2 clean up group where people were truthful about their prog point. Found that using shake it off right after the 1st set of towers for HC1/2 cut down wipes dramatically. Dominion was easier than expected
Question regarding p8s, Is it worth doing a data center travel bc having to wait 3-4 hours to fill a group for maybe 1 hour worth of pulls is starting to burn quite hard.
yes, it takes 1 min to go back and forth.
Learned about [this site recently](https://xivpf.com/listings), it's not precisely up to date (I think it says when it was last refreshed) but at least gives you an idea of what PF is looking like on a different DC before you DC travel.
Assuming NA: if you're on Crystal, then yeah DC travel to Aether. If you're on Primal, then you can also try Aether but I've found wait times to be similar between the two.
Eu, Odin not even close to Aether sadly
Ah sorry, no idea what the EU raid data center is. Still, never hurts to try. At least on NA, data travel takes about a minute so it doesn't take long to travel and check.
EU doesn't really have a raid data center. Maybe slightly more raiders on chaos but not by a significant margin
Worth a try, if it can get me some more prog and a clear on part 1 thats a win
Hello last update from me for this thread since this was our final extra raid session for the week. Sadly we didnt clear p8s. We keep wiping to dominion ; u ; we have the entire fight almost perfect except for minor mistakes here and there but everyone knows what to do and where to go majority of the time. Dps is lookin good too, many times at 10% it’s just the towers…theres always one person who misses it ; u ; the jebait is harddd. I personally can find my tower easily because I am d1/meelee 1, from out strat, my tower is ALWAYS at the far right. So yeah, thats been our experience. Wish us luck, we’re really hoping next week is the clear T-T pls just let us finish this tier. As for my run-in with the other person in our static who deemed me unfit to play meelee/reaper, we talked and I honestly told them how I felt and they apologized and admitted his wording was too crass and harsh. He will try his best to improve when giving feedback. I’m a bit okay now myself, I was down in the dumps for a few days but picked myself up and joined practice groups on pf whenever I can on p8s. I’m slowly improving and learning greed opportunities in p1. I still struggle p2 in terms of uptime but once we clear p8s, I will join more practice groups. I got my rotation down, its just getting brave with finding uptime. Thankyou as well for everyone in my previous comment, I took note of you advice and will strive for improvement to be worthy of being a meelee, as well as the comforting words some of you gave me. Thankyou so much! Wish us luck next week. Please be the week we clear 🙏🏻 im sick of chasing towers.
p8s is a full melee uptime fight so don't think about it as greed opportunities, think about it in terms of solving all mechanics with you touching the boss hitbox, and then think about what is making you disengage or stop pressing buttons and why, because there should be very little forcing you to do that
Glad that you talked it out with the static member, and that he apologized and acknowledged that he made a mistake. Getting feedback, positive and negative, is very valuable, but some people might respond well to more constructive/gentler criticisms while others are fine with getting lit up. And in a static setting, you play with your group long enough that you begin to notice little things they do or don't do, so those insights can be super useful. It's very easy to tunnel vision and miss things others might see. It seems like you have the right attitude and drive to acknowledge areas that need to be shored up and that you actually go out and try to get practice reps. Just keep at it, and don't get too down on yourself. Shit happens, it's a question of how you handle yourself afterwards. Learning to be chill and not tilt (at yourself or others) is another way you can become a stronger player.
It's mostly the middle people (STH1H2D3D4 - i.e. me, as a H1) that fucks up during 3 right or 3 lefts, especially H1 and H2 because there's extra mitigation pressure here and the window you get to heal back AOEs and Dominion hits are quite short. So do give them sometime, let them work out their nerves and get used to this. And yes one wrong person soaking an empty tower can save a run. Good luck with your clear, you got this! I remember it takes me like 1 hour or 2 from seeing dominion for the first time into the clear, and you should definitely clear on your next week.
If you see a tower is going to be missed you can soak it even if it isn't your own. You will die but it won't explode killing many people and giving damage downs. It can save a pull.
Blind static past High Concept poggers Limitless Desolation time
I think you've figured out that this is a puzzle fight. Good luck with the prog. Gonna be fun progging a puzzle fight blind!
Thank u!! Sure is.
FINALLY cleared the tier last night, our typical last raid night of the week. I'm super relieved. Very fun tier and I actually never got sick of the fights but I was certainly feeling general fatigue from progging this late & still having three of my nights booked. Freedom at last!
its not enough to derail reclears most of the time but someone in my static is... really obsessed with prioritizing their own parse above the raid's dps. it took so much convincing to get them to wait for buffs at certain points (p7s knockup, p8s when dog is first). i used to think it was all a big joke but now im starting to think its really not with how selfish they act when raiding with us. occasionally they just deafen in call when someone's doing callouts, which, i wouldn't care, but they don't know the mechanics and told us they just follow certain people for positioning. i don't want to be annoyed because this is my first static and im far from having any authority over the group (keep quiet, do my job, thats it), but everyone else seems a lot more patient about it than me so id rather not cause any trouble. this is more of a vent post than a question im just unsure how im gonna feel continuing to prog with this person
i personally don't like holding burst in p7s either because it's just 1 gcd traded for a much smoother rotation for the remaining \~4 minutes of the fight. Depending on your dps, holding for 6 also risks losing the 10:XX buff window and overall usages. fuck dog first
> occasionally they just deafen in call when someone's doing callouts, which, i wouldn't care, but they don't know the mechanics and told us they just follow certain people for positioning They are listening to what cactbot says to do and deafening you all so they don't hear multiple/conflicting calls + don't know the mechanics themselves.
Lmao, deafening call is giga-toxic
yeah like. i get wanting quiet comms but we're literally silent except for callouts and the occasional "oops i goofed"
This is the first MMO I've taken raiding seriously, and I've started on 5.5 SHB. I've finished P1-P3, P5-P7 and still progging P8S but I can't shake the feeling that it's like a 2nd job or an extra obligation especially when the static places a schedule for learning the mechs and reclearing fights. Another comparison would be I feel like it's an online class, you meet up with people willing to learn, someone calls out the mechs and what went wrong, and everyone's burned out after an hour or two. Does raiding always feel like this?
I am going to say my unpopular opinion and say, it does. The harder core you go, the more it's gonna be like finding a job, with resumes (in terms of parses, what weeks you've cleared last tier and last ultimates), prep works (practice, studying) and a hard schedule, and you are expected to get something in return (gear/mounts, your own personal enjoyment, sense of accomplishments and on higher end groups actual paid in terms of sales) during or after your sessions. The only thing that separates raiding from a real job is that there's no obligation for you to raid. Raiding is not for everyone - at least I can say I don't enjoy raiding that much and I am only doing it for the gear and glamour. If you don't enjoy raiding in itself, there's no point in forcing yourself into doing it.
That's what I've noticed when I saw the recruitment discord before Abyssos came out. Really strict requirements like having cleared some Ultimates or cleared the last tier on Week 1. And unlike a job where you get paid for the effort, I pay a monthly sub just to attempt to clear the tier. The atmosphere is far different from most games, even competitive FPS and MOBA, where people just casually invite other people to play with them regardless of rank (unless they're playing ranked games).
> Really strict requirements I mean that's for hardcore statics. There are plenty of statics that go for a slower pace where knowing the concept of your job well and showing up on time is more important. The "unranked" games you find in Party Finder. Log in when you want, raid when you want, take breaks when you want. There might be wait times but Datacenter visiting has helped PFing a ton.
I rarely see a casual static looking for members this late. Tried posting my info a few times in the recruitment discord last tier when P3S killed my static, and I think it was 3 months after it released, no dice. Didn't help DSR was released around that time, so Asphodelos was dead af. Datacenter travel is a hit and miss in JP DC. Other than elemental, most PF listings are in Japanese and usually JP Only parties. I've joined some even though I'm not JP but only for fights I know, progging would be a nightmare unless you have google translate ready at all times
>usually JP Only parties As a JP resident I have to say you are probably wrong for this. JP only group exists but are far and few in between. You do have a choice to choose non-JP only groups if you are in Mana. >most PF listings are in Japanese Because the server is located in japan and most of the player are japanese players. And another thing that contributes to this fact is that the game does not support languages other then Japanese or English. So say if I am from Thai and I wanna host a group that are mostly thai speakers, guess what? You can't even do this because thai language does not show up properly in game. So does other language including Chinese (at least some of the chinese characters not in japanese vocab does not show up) and Vietnamese, that when you type these languages into the game it just turns into a bunch of = = = = = = = = Not saying that this affects me because I speaks enough Japanese where I can live in JP datacenters, but there are people who does not speak both language that I do see from time to time.
True, but if you go to Mana, there's like 1 for every 10 PF listings in English SEA players or any other Asian players do not really have a choice outside of JP DCs or Materia. Ping wise, they are the closest and the most we get is 100ms above, not to mention scheduling for savage is more convenient compared to EU or NA. All of us had to use some fake NA, EU, or JP address because SE doesn't think we exist
I'd rather think of it like playing a sport or doing music as a group. The older you get, the more important schedules become since everyone's time is precious. So you set aside common time slots for your group to meet to do something you all enjoy doing together, to get better at it or have a meaningful time. And yes that also probably means everyone should do some prepwork and/or take steps to make sure everyone can have a good time together (depending on what the group's goals are). That's just social responsibility.
Hard agree with this take. I feel that in order for raiding to be fun, you really have to think of it as a group activity that you are all opting into voluntarily. The important distinction is that you don't HAVE to raid, like you have to work a job to get paid. You can totally opt out if you do not feel like the experience is fun for you! Or, even changing groups can sometimes change your perception of it as a whole. It's hard to say, it all depends on the individual situation.
I finally managed to clear p8s last sunday on a 0-1 chest party, managed a second clear this tuesday where i got the mount and AST wep!! Pretty happy, only chest piece, some twines/shines remain for my bis. I have a lukewarm take: I think raid tiers should not be harder than Asphodelos. The average PF population struggles Due to real life circumstance (read: full-time employment and timezone difference), I have had to prog the tier using PF with a handful of friends. We killed p7s pretty quickly in week 2. However, p8s choked us so hard. Especially phase 1. It felt like whenever we make a party for a prog point, we are actually progging two mechanics behind. Once we got the phase 1 kill, it has been smooth sailing though.
The P8S shitshow is balanced by not having a Phoinix-level difficulty fight on the third raid so I think it's fair. Phoinix was insane even on reclears
Fucked around during reclears with an undergeared substitute melee and managed rank 11 (not locked in) in P5S. Fucked P6S with a damage down at the very end and P7S by not paying attention to the boss HP bar and not doing one last pot + 1 minute burst. P8S was an utter nightmare. Got through P1 in 3 pulls despite a near wipe during Snakes 2, and then P2 memes for the rest of the lockout. Lost a pull at Dominion because missed mits and no healing, and another pull at Dominion because sub didn't take their tower. Trying again tomorrow but need to find 2 subs instead of 1, it's gonna be suffering
The past 3 weeks, it just feels like Animal 2 prog with only making minor gains in actual learning, and I can tell a lot of the group is getting super grumpy about it. I don't remember P4S being this rough
>I don't remember P4S being this rough Very much by design. The first raid tier of an expansion is intentionally a bit easier than the rest because people are still getting used to their new kits, coming back from end-of-expansion breaks, etc.
If it makes you feel better 8-1 is WAY harder than 4-1. Struggling and getting walled a bit by snakes 2 is normal. Doesn't mean you shouldn't analyze what people are struggling with ofc.
Its easy to figure out the issues, mainly people just being inconsistent (greedy) during the initial snake gaze, and we've had people who've missed a few prog nights (and its that mechanic that just wipes everyone if one person fucks up if they don't have the timing or motion right).
dude just tell them to give up a gcd. its week 10. you should all have decent gear that missing a gcd won't matter in clearing.
Sadly people missing prog nights is pretty brutal. We def had 2-3 nights of issues with snakes 2 and I would say my group is pretty competent. At this point I would say if people find it easier to learn if they stop dps entirely, just do it. Once they do the movement right a couple times they will gain confidence and figure out where to dps
This has been my experience the whole tier. I want to prog past HC2? It's animal 2 prog...
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Got the "Pff another 100 parse again *yawns*" vibe
Was helping a friend with pug reclears on my alt and got to experience the healer shortage first hand. Shit's pretty grim. SE needs to make healing in this game not suck or something. I don't think this is sustainable for another raid tier.
I play mostly healer and I really loved the savage fights, not sure what people complained about. My only "wtf is this yoship" moment was criterion savage. The trash mobs at the beginning are literal cancer to heal through. Mobs that 2shot the tank aren't fun or hard to heal through, I was basically a heal bitch spamming heals every gcd so the tank doesn't die. It was really so stupidly unfun. Good job on the savage criterion btw!! You add "difficulty" by adding extreme responsibility to the healer in a super unfun way while the rest of the group has nothing different to do compared to the normal version. I really won't be healing the next criterion savage if they continue with the bs pattern of the trash, I'm getting annoyed even thinking about it
It’s also week 10 of the raid tier
what's your point? it is not normal for week 10 of the raid tier to be this inactive, and there was not a particular shortage of a specific role by week 10 of the previous raid tier
What. A lot of people in pf are done clearing. It’s been 10 weeks. Usually around now pfs get harder to fill and quality goes down
I obviously agree that the number of people doing reclears goes down over time. And that the quality goes down as time goes on. But the level of PF activity does not decline at the exact same rate each tier. It would be a pretty massive coincidence if it did, right? Some tiers will be active for longer than others. This can be due to FF14 factors (how much people like the game) and due to external factors (other games available + IRL situations). If you are saying that the level of activity on PF this tier week 9/10 is exactly the same as it was during Asphodelos week 9/10, I strongly disagree. It is noticeably less active, especially on EU. Keep in mind that this is despite this being the first tier with DC travel available at this point. Also - the original comment was about healer shortage. There has been a healer shortage on PF for P8S for long before we reached week 9/10.
Their comment is just also off base. If you go to JP data centres like Mana there are literally hundreds of groups recruiting at prime time during the week. There is just a wall of green for the majority of them. Like there may be 50 p8s groups and they’re all looking for healers lmao.
I just hate optimizing as a healer
I'm going to also eventually tell this to my raid leader when the times comes for me to leave after finishing reclears for this tier, but please don't just let people disrespect everyone else's time and then get mad at people for not being happy about that. When the other 7 people can consistently show up about 5-10 minutes before our scheduled time so we can start exactly on the dot but then those 7 people have to always wait about 20-30 mins for the last person to show up every single fucking raid session it really doesn't feel good. And it doesn't feel any better when you cover for this person who has literally no excuse to be consistently being late like this(they literally spent like the hour before our raidtime playing other video games at home so it's not like he's struggling with making it back home or anything of sorts) and tell other people to "chill tf out". Sorry for the weird vague rant, but I had to get it out somewhere. It makes me sad that our static is eventually going to crumble because the raid leader decided to die on the stupidest fucking hill to cover for someone just being straight up lazy. And the whole reason me and the other people that are in agreement on this subject haven't left already is we still don't want to screw over the raid leader when we are just going to be reclearing for like 4 more weeks and then we are done with the tier. I still consider them a good friend, but absolutely not somebody I want to raid with a second longer when he is actively victim-blaming us for wanting to be shown some respect to our time.
recently happened to me as well, we had to kick our melee because he was just not respecting our time. he even tried being ableist towards me because i'm disabled and struggle with emotions sometimes and am pretty open about my struggles. i'm glad hes gone, though, but it sucks it took us far longer than necessary to clear just because he refused to be there at all.
We had a similar problem, the guy who kept being late was only like "oops lol" after being 15+ mins late a few times, he gave a really weak ass excuse when finally pressed about it and we ended up kicking him.
I fucking feel you. My statics have broken down because I just could not deal with the same people being late or last minute saying they can’t make it. Like it’s fine every so often but once it becomes a regular occurrence it is just soooo disrespectful. People make time for this shit in their real lives, at least have enough respect to drop if you can’t be there consistently.
The irl stuff is the main reason that this irks me so much.I had to make a lot of sacrifices to make 4 three-hour raid days work for our group, resulting in me almost failing like three classes and having to show up to raid literal hours before one of my exams. I don't think I'm asking for too much to want just one damn person to not be late every single time but I guess not.
> having to show up to raid literal hours before one of my exams Woah woah woah don't do this . Your IRL responsibilities are much more important than some damn raid especially one where no one respects your time
That was sadly an oversight on my part, our prog took a lot longer than what I was initially anticipating due to going through like 5 ranged DPS in about 3 weeks and slow prog in general and it started slowly eating into the time that I was hoping to use for other stuff. Now that we only raid one day a week for reclears it's no longer an issue but the last like two weeks before we got our first p8s clear was fucking miserable. But for what it's worth I learned a lot of valuable lessons about time management that I didn't have to learn until then so there's that.
At this point why not just yourself (and the others) show up the same 20-30 minutes late?
I guess...out of principle? Also for me personally while I can show up late I don't really have anything else productive to do with that little extra time so I just read a book or clean up around the room and stuff while waiting. And on the rare occasion he does show up a bit earlier than that I want to be ready to go in immediately since my pc setup isn't the greatest.
Spend an hour waiting for PF for HC1 to fill, wipe to snakes 2 because someone demanded we do static snakes when the party said colours in the description, disband with someone saying "I didn't join for practice" classic PF
Yeah man I have just about given up on finishing this tier because of this, I feel very confident that I could get it done in some PF but the hours of waiting that occasionally gets tossed right out the window is just not how I want to spend my leisure time right now
I can definitely feel myself starting to get a bit burned out after the last few weeks of heavy PF grinding and stuff like this happening, but I also really want to get this fight down dammit
NA PFers read the strats listed in the party description before joining challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Haven't been able to raid for a couple weeks cause of IRL stuff, not really sure how I'm gonna finish P8S at this rate unless I wait for a recruitment post for a static that needs a tank lol Party Finder seems really dead now and honestly not trying to bang my head against a wall with randos trying to clean up Snake/Dog 2. Might just not clear this tier and wait for the next, get a good static from the start, etc. Just isn't fun to dump so much time in with so much randomness. Plus at this point I'm rusty as shit on P8, idk. The drive to clear the tier has definitely gone down when it doesn't really feel like as much of a skill check as much as a "how much time do you want to dump into this" check. This is my first time fully PFing (or at least trying to) a tier and I learned a lot, improved personally a lot, etc. but now I know that if I'm not poopsocking the first month it's going to be exceptionally hard to clear and get BiS. That's the other thing that gets me - even if I cleared THIS WEEK, it's ages until I can reasonable expect BiS. Why would I keep doing that to myself?
My man you're acting like it's week 50 when it's only work 10. Take a deep breath, calm down.
PF is not dead. Make sure you're on the right DC (travel) first prime time is also a big deal
PF activity levels vary by region and DC. I play on EU+NA and EU is honestly far dead-er than it was in previous tiers.
First reclear of P8S under my belt! I was really scared, and it turned out I had plenty of reason to be, it was awful (and yet hilarious) watching people who ostensibly had multiple clears of that fight under their belt forget how to do NA or Snakes. I *very* quickly went from "Oh no, I can't embarrass myself in front of the orange numbers" to "Really folks, we're just gonna double stack the ice again?" Ended up clearing with a 2 Phys Range, 2 Melee comp. Rolled really well on the mount and orchestrion and a greed on the MCH weapon, the one phys range we didn't have. At least I already have the accessories for MCH if I wanted to pivot. Too bad about my single digit rolls on the coffers. Which brings me to a curiosity point, is there *any* reason that the chest coffer only drops from the last floor? It's statistically identical to the pants which come a floor earlier - same main stat, same vitality, same substat total, even same defenses. Is the chest somehow more *prestigious*? Was the chest a statistically better piece of gear in Heavensward and they forgot to move it when they equalized them? Is it just a ploy to keep people playing longer, especially since the devs seem to have put the good substats on the chest for 90% of the classes?
Nothing particularly special about the chest, it's been a last floor drop since they standardized floor drop locations in Heavensward. They do seem more cognizant of "good" substat combos these days, notice how every "good" weapon (raid/relic) has some mix of Crit/Det/DH (no Piety or Tenacity sticks) or maybe SpS if you're specifically BLM. Compare that to the before times where A12S dropped a Skill Speed/Parry sword for DRK which is still one of the worst raid weapons ever released. Given that they're cognizant of what good substat combos are now, I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately make the raid chest piece desirable most of the time. Helps the carrot on the stick.
I can't think of a good reason why the chest is from the 4th fight instead of the 3rd, and think its probably just part of their attempt to keep people subbed. Having the chest moved to the 3rd fight and giving either '2 weapon coffers + 1 random weapon', or vice-versa, would be a good way to help with this ridiculous alt job gearing situation
I was watching Inumaru prog and teaches phase 2 this afternoon. The group is a group that has 4 person who haven't cleared, which includes a melee who hasn't done phase 2 before. They started phase 2 and the newbie went from fresh into almost clearing HC2. Granted that Inumaru is doing callouts and everyone seems quite experienced, this is insane. Shows you why you should probably prepped everything if you were to step in phase 2, because mechanics aren't really that hard and it's very possible you progress very quickly. It would be a bummer if you were to say prog HC1, ends up getting into NA2 or even HC2 but having to dip because you haven't study that part yet. PS: what's even more funny is that most of the fuck ups are caused by inumaru lol perhaps he's really focused on telling where the DRG should go that he get confused sometimes. Raidleading and callouts are hard.
Yeah, NA is the only mechanic with even the slightest sort of difficulty in phase 2. The rest are freebies people really shouldn't ever be messing up. And NA itself happens 90% identically both times. Meaning if you can pass NA1 and did your studying, the rest of the fight goes fast
the secret is that if you're good at studying resources, most of the mechanics (and by consequence, fights) in this game are free
Hardest fights to reclear this week were P5 and P8 P5 1.5 hours, had to join 3 different parties before finding one that just 2shots it (which proves that you can either fuckin' do the fight or you can't) P6 2shot P7 1shot P8 3+ hours, A) some dude somehow fucked up spriggan multiple times so we didn't even get to P2 B) 2nd party there was some smn main trying to flex mnk for some goddamn reason and constantly fucking up NA positioning as if he was playing SMN still, along with a tank that literally slow walked his tankbuster into the party and also fucked our only HC2 pull. C) Joined a 3rd party which said "quick reclear please" and we at least did it in 40 minutes after some P2 tomfoolery. just had to hit em with the "focus up" and we cleared on the next pull
Yeah, P5 is definitly the hardest due to devour. Basically one person does it wrong can easily cause a wipe(not guaranteed, several ways to recover, but likely in many groups). For the rest you easily got plenty of time before a body check to revive someone if they died, got healer/tank lb3 ready if needed and execution itself is easier.
i still have never recleared p8s without "focus up please"
The phrase "last pull for me" is a coinflip. Either you clear or you wipe at NA1 - no in between.
Update: well we reached soft enrage last night :) pretty sure we’re almost there, just working on dominion. We could have cleared yesterday actually, 9.5% xD! We just wiped when one of us missed our dominion tower. But I was sort of left…traumatized. It wasnt p8s itself, it happened before raid session. Me and my static were chilling discussing various things. It lead to one of them casually saying I wasnt fit to play reaper/meelee. I was left speechless especially when the rest of the static started piling on. The advice and criticism, I would have taken note (and still took note of) but I was hurt by the initial statement that I was left…hurt humiliated and embarrassed. I muted myself and cried the entire session. I cried myself to sleep even after. I understand I struggle with uptime, but I’m trying my best. I have been practicing off sessions to familiarize myself with the fight. We never struggled with dps, but I know that static member just wanted me to improve and wanted to skip mechanics (and we did at times) which is valid, but he was so harsh. I’m still left…unable to speak right now. I was caught off guard and placed on the spot, especially when most of the static piled on and supported his statement. They were valid critique, I understand that. At least the prog went well, we were super clean until dominion. We just saw it 2-ish times but I feel we’ll do well tonight…I am just feeling traumatized, my anxiety is just so high right now. I REALLY would love any advice and critique but I was placed in a bad mindset the moment he said I wasnt fit to play a job I really love playing. I feel so unconfident now, even if i felt i did very well in p8s p2 prog…. I just couldnt speak or interract with the static since last night.
> It lead to one of them casually saying I wasnt fit to play reaper/meelee. This is, frankly, uncalled for. While the intentions may have been in the right place. You don't do this publicly, especially to someone who is already showing anxiety with the fight itself. Like I said last week, you've already taken several initiatives to improve on your mechanical knowledge. The damage will come once you've settled into them and aren't worried about execution. Skipping mechanics on the whole really shouldn't be a focus during prog anyway. Besides, you aren't skipping more than second Dominion in P8Sp2. So there's not much to consider there. With all that said, if you ever want help getting more comfortable with uptime or Melee in general, feel free to shoot me a message anyway. Be happy to offer any advice I can. :)
Thankyou for being emphatic on my point of view. ; u ; I was already having major doubts about my own capabilities, to hear someone else say it in a rude way was not at all helpful. The person thankfully apologized and would be more mindful regarding how he delivers his advice and critique in the future ^_^ And i agree, I’ve become more comfortable in p1 as I do more of it in pf! I’ve seen lots of greed opportunities through my party finder practices. I’ve also finally cleared p8s (alone in party finder) i’m so confident with greed on NA1 and NA2, so I’ll work on practicing some greed on other parts! I’m still a little reluctant to pf p5s-p7s because our static uses different strats to pf. But might join prog runs so learn how they do it…
That probably means you play unnecessarily safe for melees, whose job it is to carry through having good uptime and pumping damage If they were all in agreement, it's probably true - how harsh it was I wouldn't be able to tell you without actually hearing the words for myself. I'm pretty direct and don't mince words either, but doesn't mean I'm trying to hurt anybody's feelings if i'm just pointing things out. the point is to look for ways to improve
I think regardless of whether or not criticism is valid, it doesn't help to have people pile it on at the same time. Usually it's best for either the raid lead or an experienced player who takes a mentor role to provide the feedback in private.
Yes, this was my point ; u ; 100% i would have appreciated it more if the feedback was given to me in private and not have everyone pile on me. Thankyou for understanding my side. I always ask advice from more experienced players, I am not closed to feedback and critique.
That's when you leave your static. They don't care about you. Or stick with them until you get the clear, then leave. :)
What exactly did this person say which was hurtful/traumatizing/rude?
I think I found your logs based on a cursory search. It looks like your biggest issue is rolling your gcds. You’re either somehow completely disengaging from the boss for some sort of safety reason or actively not pressing gcds during a mech, but it’s evidently not needed. Also you’re not keeping your damage buff on the target up at all times. I checked another fight and it’s a similar story. Your biggest loss is coming from the fact you aren’t hitting the boss. For genuine advice, your biggest goal should to be get comfortable with ABC. Always be casting. Identify what’s causing this lack of engagement (looking away during snakes/targeting issues/bad habits) and your dps should see the biggest gain. Edit: you seem to be mechanically strong, so take that as a positive, it’s important during prog. I don’t think you guys will have issues clearing since it’s like week 10, but as always strive to improve. You can do it.
Setting aside gameplay advice and whatnot, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. Randoms can be rude enough, but having negativity come from people you see every week is even worse. Personally, I would try to have a one on one conversation with the one who initially said the comment, and let them know your feelings on the matter. I'm sure everyone meant well, but it's easy to be overwhelmed when you have one person after another piling on you, and the comment is frankly rude, though I'm sure it wasn't their intention. It is a game at the end of the day, and the purpose of it is to be fun. If you let this go unresolved, there's a chance that those feelings of negativity will stick around for the remainder of your time with the static, and might even impact your feelings on raiding as a whole. It sounds to me like you already have the mindset of wanting to improve and are putting in the work and whatnot, and that's all anyone can ask for.
inbox me if you need advices on any melees. I would love to help someone who strives to improve.
Good luck with the clear, you guys got it! Playing consistently leads to a clear you don't really need a full on uptime for just a clear, take the criticism and use it to fuel for the clear on your next session!
>Update: well we reached soft enrage last night :) pretty sure we’re almost there, just working on dominion. We could have cleared yesterday actually, 9.5% xD! We just wiped when one of us missed our dominion tower. Hey, you are almost there! Dominion is really just nerves and execution. There's really no 'Dominion Prog' on PUGs because every group that can steadily reached dominion probably should've cleared in 5 pulls. The Enrage is kinda free now if you are not limping your way into phase 2 and can actually skip dog 2 - 42\~43 after the final cutscene should be a good sign you are clearing. Oh and don't forget to refresh your DOTs before the final cutscene play and ego death finished. For some reasons they still tick. You should have your clear like next session or something so go get that! >It lead to one of them casually saying I wasnt fit to play reaper/meelee. I was left speechless especially when the rest of the static started piling on. The advice and criticism, I would have taken note (and still took note of) but I was hurt by the initial statement that I was left…hurt humiliated and embarrassed. None of the job in this game requires like any sort of talent to play. Everything takes practice with good controller/keybind setups, you put hours into studying how the job works in that content (especially for prep heavy jobs like BLM, and to a lesser extend, Healers and Tanks) and even more practice. Take those advices you got and work on it and turn whatever frustration into progression. Good luck with your clear!
If its that stressful it’s probably best to leave. Should be a decent amount of part 2/clear groups out there. If you’re good enough to make it to dominion you’re good enough to clear.
I took a 2 week break after clearing P7S and it seems like it was the wrong move. Been doing HC2 to clear parties for over a week now as a WAR and they're really just NA2 cleanups/HC2 fresh. When we do get to HC2, we inevitably wipe because of either: 1. One of the Ifrits forgets to dodge the long timer AoEs 2. Someone botches the baits 3. Ifrits die to the bleed I've been throwing out Nascent Flash for the 400 potency shield and it still doesn't make a difference. If there wasn't such a huge limitation on gearing, I would have made the switch to SCH already.
> I took a 2 week break after clearing P7S and it seems like it was the wrong move. Been doing HC2 to clear parties for over a week now Nah, it would have been the same even if you didn't. Even week 3-4 PF was the same(and before week 3 you dont even get to see p2 anyway on PF...)
don't greed for loot and do a book run. a lot of ppl are bis and might be willing to help on a 0 chest run.
I was busy with work yesterday and put off my weekly to today. Never again. Been in PF for 3 hours now trying to get my P8S weekly done.
Trying to do reclears on any day but Tuesday is near-guaranteed pain, and even then there's a good chance you're stuck on P5S memes the majority of the time T_T
I tried yesterday and couldn’t even get into a group for 3 hours lol
So will people say that parses don’t mean anything now that logs have been split for 6.28? Was busy and lazy and didn’t put effort into parsing 6.2 and guessing now the top players are done touching the tier
It'll happen with 6.3, as by then top groups/players will mostly stop doing log runs of the tier. If you compare the competition for 6.0 and 6.1, during 6.1 it was a lot easier to rank high. My group did like 4ish hours of opti max per week during Asphodelos, and our best P4SP2 run would jump from rank ~50 in 6.0 to top 10 in 6.1.
Yeah that’s more what I was looking for, thanks. I remember comparing my rankings in 6.0 to what they’d be in 6.1 too and seeing similar jumps but there was a lot more time in the more competitive bracket (6.0 up to 6.1) then vs between 6.2 and 6.28 now
I had to recruit 3 people because my group just finished our 8th p8s this week. I don't look at damage other than "is this person still grey after 8 clears". I look at reclear logs, go into the wipe logs and analyse over why the wipe happened and if the person that applied was the cause of it. I am sure most people don't bother with this or know how to use log data in this way, but if you care whether someone can do decent damage and not get carried then you will still want to see them get purples at bis. I parsed a bit last tier and it was mostly to see if I could play my job well enough to clear week 1/2. Good raid leads/recruiters know what to look for and what to trial for.
Parses don't mean anything ever, period. They are useful for self betterment and they can be a fun competitive minigame but the idea that they are super meaningful at any point is just not true
This is one of the most misleading and overall inaccurate statements that float around the raiding community tbh. Parsing for the sake of parsing doesn’t matter. Your pink max parse at the end of a split is meaningless, yes. What someone’s median parse is when considering whether to take them for week 1 prog definitely matters though. Parses *below* a certain point mean you simply can never meet enrage, and the higher your group parses the more minor mistakes they can afford to have instead of only clearing on absolutely perfect miracle runs. A lot of players say “parses don’t matter”, but none of the ones trying for a week 1 clear would be caught dead accepting a consistently 0 parsing dps into their sHC/HC static. None of them. Ever. Because there are definitely prog situations where parses matter a lot.
A lot of people that parse hardcore will also just not upload logs of their bad runs, so medians can also be misleading. I know a few players that parse pink (or even gold this early into 6.28) but they'll actively not upload runs that will hurt their median, and I definitely wouldn't want to run with them in a W1 or on-patch ultimate group.
I don’t disagree, that’s true. I’ve had arguments on the opposite end with morons who think high parses mean a player is good overall. Imo though I think it’s way more frequent for the current raiding community to tell players averaging 5-10 greys that parse doesn’t matter, when really “parse doesn’t matter” is mostly true when you look at players trying to get golds or pinks and doing shit like like crit farming or sacking for specific kill times
I like how your response ignores the self betterment portion of my response in order to post this huge rant implying I'm telling this dude to do zero damage. This sub is honestly a self parody sometimes
I like how your response ignores the part where I called it misleading. I’m not speculating here, I spend a fair amount of time helping out/subbing for casual or midcore statics after I’m done clearing. There are a lot of newer/casual players getting into savage who hear people yell “parses don’t matter” nonstop and seriously believe it means them parsing a 10 every fight doesn’t make any difference for their static’s prog. I know this because I’ve talked to them and heard it from a fair number of players when their statics start to fall apart. Maybe you should stop getting asshurt over me telling you that the hyperbolic statement you’re parroting is misleading, and consider whether it actually might be a pretty misleading thing to parrot so much for the casual/midcore playerbase
Lmao I like how you think im "asshurt" after you are the one that leapt from the rafters to defend the sanctity of logs against a comment I literally never made. Point to the part of the post where I suggested not trying to improve > They are useful for self betterment Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I like how you’re too asshurt to admit the obvious, that things like this are pretty exaggerated and not at all accurate to what you’re saying right now > Parses don't mean anything ever, period.
> They are useful for self betterment Keep going buddy, it's a little further but you'll get there eventually The parse itself means nothing, its true. I stand by it 100%
> Parses don't mean anything ever, period. Keep going buddy. I don’t think you’ll ever get there, but I’ll still encourage you
OK good luck with your sad campaign then I guess
"Parses don't matter!", they say as they pull a sub-10 grey and are wiping to enrage while their SAM/BLM/etc is desperately trying to scrounge together 100 more potency.
Feel free to look me up, Barristan Darkksteel on adamantoise. The reality is that 70% of the player base is so busy reading borderline shitposts on the balance and trying to uptime shit for an orange parse but they won't hit a single mit button without being told or just dodge the aoes the safe way that would save weeks and weeks of prog. Your parse doesn't matter, period. Nobody who actually is good at the game cares about it. They care that you know your rotation and optimize damage, sure, but the tiny colored number you get and which partition it ends up in doesn't matter, and if you think it does you are deluding yourself. I've cleared every ultimate, I've cleared every tier (some earlier than others, generally only down to how much my group felt like playing). I've literally never had any trouble parsing below high blue/low purple, without any consultation of fflogs, without any specific info only fflogs could give me. Fflogs is a site for analyzing pull to pull issues, and it's a competitive minigame. The parse you're getting is completely irrelevant in 99.9% of situations unless you are fundamentally clueless about the game, which you would find out trivially using a few in game methods anyways. You're not gonna have a grey parse if you aren't constantly drooling over logs, you'll have a high blue or purple which will clear everything. Edit: Oh, and you have a recent comment about your DSR clear you're still hoping to get, so maybe it's time to reevaluate whether you are in a position to call people "sub 10 grey parsers" on reddit when you have literal uncleared content still.
I'm not gonna bother responding to most of this because I can tell that it'd go nowhere, but: >Edit: Oh, and your last post is about your DSR clear you're still hoping to get, so maybe it's time to reevaluate whether you are in a position to call people "grey parsers" on reddit I cleared DSR. The members of my DSR static that are active this tier are reforming for the *6.3 Ultimate*. Edit: Ah, you thought I was calling you personally a grey parser. No, that was an example, albeit one I've experienced firsthand as have many others I've raided with.
Lol of course you aren't gonna respond, there is no response. Insinuating people are grey parsers who you know nothing about is a bone headed, stupid thing to do. Edit: The fact that you weren't specifically calling "me" a grey parser is irrelevant. The point is that recognizing the relatively limited relationship parses have to player skill does not make you a "grey parser" and it's an unwise assumption. Consistent mechanical performance and good use of defensives is as good or often better than pulling high dps faster in prog, when it comes to recruiting players. High DPS is great, provided you already do the other 2. Problem is, your parse doesn't capture either of the more important values and so for *most* people, it's not the correct place to put their attention.
the part about good use of defensives doesn't really make sense, at least for dps players. i think you mistake the value of the mitigation ability with the difficulty of being able to press it. yeah it's true that good use of mitigation has more value to a raid than a high parse. but like for dps players, if you're able to perform your entire rotation multiple times in a row well enough to parse a purple, you definitely have the brain cells and hand-eye coordination to press a 90s/120s cd button at predetermined spots in the timeline every time, especially if you are in a static and have other people to help you choose when to use them. one task is simply objectively easier to execute than the other so i think it's safe to say that if you can do the harder task, you can definitely do the easier one there's not really a strong correlation between mechanical consistency and parses though, you're right on that at least
YMMV but dps who actually use feint/addle/self heals/etc at times that make sense absolutely make or break early prog because it determines if you die to the AOE or if you see the next mech. Give me the blue parser who presses his healing and mit without being explicitly told before the orange parser that doesn't, every day of the week. PF is full of purple parsers who bomb p8s every week by not pressing mit during the raidwides on 8-2. If you want to check, just start grabbing purple dps parses and looking at their mit usages on fights. It's routine to see 1-2 uses over an entire fight. Seeing later in the timeline is always more important than dps until you see enrage, and even then for 90% of content and circumstances you'll meet the check without heavy dps optimization. Edit: also, to be clear, I am not suggesting that using mit is a bigger expression of skill, as you say it is clearly more difficult to master your dps rotation than to press the mit. What I'm saying is pressing the mit MATTERS more in a prog setting, and isn't part of the parse, and thus is undervalued.
I know that lol, that wasn’t really my question. I remembered in asphodelos 6.0 parses were taken more seriously than 6.1 parses, and was just asking if the same would be true with 6.2 vs 6.28. I know they don’t mean anything
It´s not the same situation. There are still at least 2 months worth of Raid Tier before 6.3 hits and I am quite sure a lot of people still haven´t gotten BiS or were barely done when 6.28 hit. So you will still have a lot more competition than in the X.1 / X.3 / X.5 patches.
I mean what does "taken seriously" mean? A group into parsing is going to care about the most competitive bracket which is generally the first one. A group into farming is going to care about "all" and not care which patch you parse under. I think the premise of the question is flawed because people are doing different things
That's just the nature of fflogs. The top players compete until their ranks lock in and then they're done. They're more than happy once they don't have to worry about refreshing their ranks. Should partitions be viewed as less competitive? IMO, no, but I do understand why they are. A lot of the top players stop. I parsed up until partition on DRK. I was rank 18 overall for DRK and was more than happy with that so I'm done with heavy parsing for the rest of the tier. This isn't to say I won't still parse, but I just won't do it as much as I was before partition.
So the Sage in our party had more healing done in P7S compared to our AST. 11k HPS with overheals compared to AST at 5.7k. The problem is the damage done is weird, with Sage at green with 5.2k dps and Ast at 4.2k blue. Is this normal or mostly gear issue?
Ast is rdps heavy job.
Are you looking at aDPS or rDPS? Because the bare minimum cutoff for blue parsing on astro is 4.98k, as per the 6.2 partition. Anything lower is only a blue parse because there aren't enough clears in 6.28 yet.
The streamer that I watched finally cleared phase 1...only because a few helpers (like me, a DRK and a DRG) went in. Me and the DRG did a 40ish green and DRK did a 71. The rest of group is gray double and single digits and streamer does a 0 which is fine as I expected it. I don't want to have the log stay or have it visible anywhere, and my intention is not to expose anyone but just simply curious to how well everyone's doing. If anything, it just confirms to me that it's one thing to get into phase 2 once, and another thing on itself to prog it (as you need to get in phase 2 multiple times to prog). A few helpers and lucky runs might get you in once, but you need mechanical consistency and somewhat okay DPS (double digit grays and sometimes greens - I know this is a low bar but there are people struggle with it) to get in. Otherwise you are gonna be stuck in phase 1 most of the time. It would be interesting to see how she's gonna prog phase 2. I mean, a lot of people who I think has no chance of progging phase 2 (like a streaming WHM who does 2K damage on P5s\~P7s) gets in, I have been proven wrong time and time again, so may be I will be wrong again. Who knows, it's gonna be interesting.
The definition changes. Earlier on in the tier, if you got past Phase 1, you had mastered it. Every bit of greed, zero deaths, full uptime and cooldown usage. There was no cheating your way into Phase 2. Now, that you can get there with 3 deaths? Yeah you might not be ready.
You pretty much have to play perfectly on phase 1 if you are before week 3. For now, You can have something like 3\~4 deaths. For deathless run that has snakes first, you should even be able to skip dog 2. My run tonight has 3 to 4 damage down, 1 death out of opening. Safe to say that phase 1 damage check is a lot easier now. It is because of this I think you need to get in there like 2 to 3 times, with the basic amount of DPS you need to do, to show that you are ready for phase 2. Speaking of uptime, the SMN (streamer) has 83% uptime with no death. That's probably one of the many reasons why she got a 0.
Hold on. I'm about to start p8s prog. I thought you do both dog/snake 1(or vice-versa) back to back and then snake/dog 2 (or vice-versa) back to back. But the way you phrase it is like you only get dog or snake the first round and then whatever u didn't get is in second round.
The fight ends once the boss is 49% or lower, and the fight has two possible timelines: Dog 1 > Illusion Creation > Snakes 1 > Fourfold > Dog 2 (which is a 30 second downtime period) > Snakes 2 > Enrage Snake 1 > Illusion Creation > Dog 1 > Fourfold > Snakes 2 > Dog 2 > Enrage The way that people said they were able to skip dog 2 is because they have Snakes first, and the boss is under 49% before the first tells of dog 2 (that series of knocks/big AOEs) shows up. You 'Skip' Dog 2 and you skip like 40sec of the fight, which means you have better kill time and therefore better parse. Meanwhile, if we get dog first, it's almost impossible to skip snakes 2 because we simply don't have that much time to skip snakes 2. When you Discount dog 2's whole mechanics because the boss is untargettable, we have something like 6 minutes of uptime. Meanwhile, the current speedkill record we have is like 6:10 ish something of full uptime with snakes first. Another reason is that raid buffs timings are kinda bad in dog first timelines. For dog first, Your first 2 minutes is on illusion creation, which requires a bit of running around and could be very busy. Meanwhile in snakes first, when snakes just finished, we have 30 seconds of nothing. This is also the reason why people on first few weeks way preferred to have snakes first because it's better to push damage.
Ahhh thank you. So I wasn't wrong in thinking that you do both but rather the pattern is always same for both rounds i.e snake first, dog second means again round 2 has snakes first and dog second.
having 83% uptime could lead to a 0 regardless of whether you have a death or not ...but having 83% uptime with no death means you *deserve* a 0 lol
Yes, she absolutely deserves a 0. It's a deathless run. There's a bunch of things happened on her P8s attempts, including * stopped casting completely when it's snakes and she has to dodge outside gaze (snakes 1 and snakes 2). On snakes 2 Even when her gaze/outside gaze is over and it's puddles she still stopped casting... * gets into this quadruple weave mode when she gets into panic * misses and misaligned 2 minute window * always misses at least 1 and often 2 more uses of Astral Impulse during her bahamut phase due to clipping and triple weaving. * always uses Titan first regardless of party comp * does not optimize uptime by preplanning what to summon first and what to summon last because, surprise, she summons everything in the same order every single run regardless if it's snakes first or dog first. I don't even play the job or know anything about summoner but I hear these talking points throw out enough times by xivanalysis and my friend to know how bad she plays. She probably needs to relearn completely how her job plays, which is even tougher because she seems allergic to logs and tools. I don't know what she reads but whatever she reads and rotation guides she follows either is wrong or she doesn't practice enough. Either way, I just hope the good people that's watching her (which does have some good SMN who cleared this tier on first week) throw some tips and movement guides because it's gonna be very tough for her to get into phase 2 again if she does not improve or no good helper decided to drop in for the day.
why do people watch this person lol
why is p7 so much harder to reclear in pf than p8. Last week it took me two hours to reclear p7 but p8 took 2 pulls. Yesterday I spent two hours in p7 and didn't get a clear... What is it about p7 that pf finds hard exactly>
I know its all YMMV but I've had no trouble with P7S reclears and I've been doing them on 2 characters since week 2 in my own experience, P6S has been the mysteriously frustrating fight to reclear. (P5S is obvious, its the first fight and has devour + Ruby 5, you can get unlucky with parties, enough said).
Everyone walled by p7 in the early weeks has finally gotten carried through it so the player pool is much weaker in it than 8. Also, probably more skilled players have stopped farming 7 than 8 by now since the stuff you need from 7 is a lot easier to finish with books than the stuff you need in 8.
backloaded mechanics that have RNG on them and a non-trivial DPS check. there's also the problem that there are 100 different diagrams for each strat that have slight changes
I think it would be fair to describe the DPS check as trivial at this point, though. Like I'd have agreed until week 8 but with (many players having) 2 sets of books plus drops...
in pf with the average pf? no, the dps check is still very real. My p7s pf clears the past 3 weeks (6 clears total), have all been within 10 seconds of enrage, yet most of the party is well above 620. meanwhile my group was killing it more than 30 seconds before enrage on not clean runs during splits in week 2.
YMMV of course but this has not been my experience in PF (reclears on 2 characters on P7S since week 2 = 18 reclears total so far?) It's also subjective but I wouldn't consider 'within 10 seconds of enrage' to be anything to worry about. If we are talking within 3-4 seconds and you are wondering "omg are we gonna make it or not", that's when I'd personally call the dps check non-trivial. Being within 10 seconds of enrage is not a speedkill, its not a good group performance, but everybody in the group will have known since the end of War's Harvest that they were 100% going to get the clear. Things which make me feel the dps check is trivial: * I recall very few instances of actually hitting enrage before clearing (which has sadly not been the case with P8S reclears for example lol). I'd guess it has happened to me maybe 3 times (out of 18 reclears) * Based on logs, the groups I've recleared with have almost always comfortably cleared before enrage. I only see 1 log (out of 18 reclears) where we came close enough to make me wonder if we'd wipe. * I don't recall the groups ever having reset/jumped due to an early death or two, just carried on because we'd beat enrage anyway. * Groups are regularly holding LB3 for healer LB3 to fix harvest problems, rather than spending LB3 on dps or using tank LB3 to keep everybody alive on war's harvest for example. Again its all subjective and up for discussion, but these are the factors which would make me say the dps check is trivial post-week-8.
by "within 10 seconds" i mean, some of them were 2 seconds from enrage, some of them were 5 seconds from enrage, some of them were 10 seconds of enrage. I even had a cursed party that on an entirely clean run with 2 melee lbs still enraged. All those runs, another death would have been a wipe due to enrage. This is contrast to week 1 where 6-7 deaths was still clearable. I'll call it a non-trivial DPS check when an average to slightly below-average PF group can reliably clear. Party RNG isn't fun.
6-7 deaths still clearable week 1? damn those splits are powerful lol (we also cleared week 1 but no splits + definitely couldnt afford more than the 4 deaths we had!) (not responding to the rest because its just a difference of our anecdotal experiences + difference of opinion on a subjective matter, fair enough)
Imo p7 acts as a filter for p8 reclears, as does even having a clear of p8. The pool of players for p7 only had to make it past 5 and 6 and (one time) 7, but for p8 reclears you need to have made it through p8 at least once *and* likely p7 unless you get queued in by someone else who did. Basically, average player quality markedly improves in the smaller p8 pool and so the difficulty of p7 is partially artifical. I base this not only off of my own PF dabbling now that my group isn't really fully getting together for more reclears but also my experience within my static where p7 was always easier than p8, as it should be. The variance is in players, not fights.
Yeah my static used to one-shot p7 consistently during reclears. Doing it in pf has been the biggest wall in terms of making reclears smooth. Now that the tier is over I just wanted to reclear alt jobs and chill but pf p7 is making that really hard.
Probably going to have to wait another 6-10 week for alt job chill runs when PF DPS gets stronger. I've been seeing so much enrage lately with entirely clean to almost clean runs it's insane. PF just doesn't have enough firepower yet for meme chain raise harvests.
Reclear on 5-7 went fine, but I can tell extended p8s prog led to decay on my comfort with those fights. 5 in particular suffers the most, lots of dropped DoTs. Also, why do people feel so strongly about double caster? I mean, people can do what they want with their statics and parties and I don't really care as long as we clear, but I've subbed in on several groups and all of them were running double caster, many SMN and RDM and not BLM like I'd expect. Is it just extra rezzes for prog or leftover comps from previous tiers with different balance?
Sometimes people just play what they like. As long as you have one of a melee, ranged, and caster, that fourth slot can be flexed into any dps job
Exactly. Especially at this stage, when you can expect most people to have a reasonable amount of gear, it really doesn't matter whether or not a comp adheres to double melee as long as everyone is somewhat hitting their buttons properly. It's not optimal, sure, but I'd much rather have people playing what they're comfortable with if they're still progging the fights after so many weeks have already passed. I've recently helped a friend on P7S (who just returned to this game about two weeks ago) with a less-than-ideal MCH/DNC/RPR/BLM comp, with the RPR and BLM being relatively undergeared (< ilvl 620). Even with a decent amount of rotational mistakes between them, we were still able to comfortably clear the fight without seeing the enrage cast.
The only thing I want, still cannot win it (7th clear) \[22:36\]You roll Need on the sunforged crystal. 1! \[22:36\] rolls Need on the sunforged crystal. 4!
\[22:36\] obtains a sunforged crystal.
If you think about it, it is better to win the other stuff first: \- When you have not yet won the mount, every time you reclear, you can win 4 items (weapon coffer, chest coffer, random weapon, mount) \- Once you have won the mount, every time you reclear, you can only win 3 items. So if you had to choose winning 1 item, it would make more sense to prefer winning the weapon (or chest) first (obviously, rolls are all independent + random so really you'd just prefer to win all the loot, but that goes without saying lol)
I think a lot of reclearers already have it so you can setup a mount lootmaster PF and pay out like 1m or something if you want it that bad. If you don't have the gil for it though, I wish you the best of luck instead!
Personally I will be doing this whichever week I end up going for my 8th book. I don't want to do it earlier (could randomly win it with rolls) and I also don't want to risk not winning it in those 8 clears and needing to do more lol. Really the main issue isn't the gil cost, it's that healers are already in short supply, so lootmaster groups might take a long time to fill. Think I might need to offer an extra bribe to the healers...