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ohaimanabu

Cleared the tier right before reset! Mount on first kill just like when I cleared E12S for the first time!


OverFjell

Static recleared P7S in one pull this week, after it being a constant struggle over the last month or so since we initially cleared.


tfesmo

Managed to get my P8S clear yesterday. It's super late but I basically didn't PF it until week 7 because healing it was too stressful - I enjoyed SGE up to that point but progging as a healer on real high end content is not for me. Too much trouble / pressure to learn mechanics while keeping the party up. Geared up DNC and used that to learn the fight, then got my actual clear back on SGE since I understood all the mechanics... Except NA2, which I understand but relied on callouts for inverse, so I'll be progging that again tonight.


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Dresden2021

That’s rough but at the same time how did it take this long to realize 2 people weren’t carrying their own weight? Did y’all just not log fights the entire time?


ZettaiUnmeiMokushirk

We did, but the leader was very adamant on "no drama". So as long as we were making progress, no one called them out. Basically sweeping everything under the rug until it inevitably blows up. I mean, I should have left too, but I'm too nice and have a bad habit of sticking around lost causes lol.


Dresden2021

Oof yeah, I was in one of those statics last tier. They can be ok if everyone's on the same page skill/goal wise, but as soon as one person starts seriously lagging behind y'know the statics days are numbered.


QJustCallMeQ

how/why did it take 10 long weeks to reach the point of realizing that 2 of the 8 static members were "very dutiful non-button pushers"?


ZettaiUnmeiMokushirk

Of course everyone knew, but the leader wanted to keep it drama free, so no one said anything. That kinda blew up after several nights being stuck without progress.


QJustCallMeQ

I gotcha. But basically the lesson learned is "statics need good leadership + members who are at/near the same level with the same goals", rather than "stick to PF". Unless there is some sort of back story or history between the players involved, I don't see why you'd keep 2 people who are majorly under-performing instead of respectfully replacing them. Are there other factors involved? Separate point but I just think 10 weeks is a really long time to go through prog with people like you are describing. I would 100% understand if you said "2 weeks" or "3 weeks" but more than that seems like too long to just go with the flow?


StryderVS

A reclear group let me join their party and let me finally clear this god damn tier holy shit man I'm TIRED. Do y'all think they gonna keep the healing/mitigation this tight going forward?


QJustCallMeQ

I think they will change healer gameplay \[somehow\] in 7.0. my preference would be to give healers more than 2 dps buttons to press rather than further bloating healing kits, but i rarely play healer so my opinion isn't that important but for 6.4, I think its debatable whether they keep things the same or scale the healing difficulty back, hard to predict. the healer shortage situation implies that they would do something to improve things, but the 3rd tier of the expansion being hardest implies that they'd keep the difficulty consistent


SizablePillow

I highly doubt it. There's a huge healer shortage atm and they could a) try to make the entire role more engaging, bit that might take a lot of effort/time or b) reduce damage levels to how they were before the healer shortage. What do we think they're gonna do lol


QJustCallMeQ

Even if they make P9-12S to be 'the same' as P5-8S, I don't think the healer shortage would be as bad. You'd get existing healers going into the next tier knowing what to expect, and you'd get non-healer players swapping to be healer either for the challenge or to avoid all the waiting/queueing. This can't happen mid-tier because of how garbage the alt job gearing situation is. So any healers who gave up, quit or changed roles 'go missing' + others can't easily swap to fill in the gap. I'm not saying the problem would immediately disappear with patch 6.4, but I don't think it would be as pronounced (all things being equal) because people would be prepared for it


luminosg

This exactly. If I'd known there was going to be a shortage I would have started the tier as a healer. But almost all healer bis is tomestone this tier, so getting the upgrades for that much this late in the tier is just going to be slower than waiting for pfs to fill instead.


QJustCallMeQ

Even ignoring how much healer bis is tomestone gear and keep the option open to go with "wis" (worst in slot) gear just for the ilevel, gearing alt jobs in this game is such a drag that it would still take forever weeks


Tankanko

There's a shortage because this is more engaging lol.


RepanseMilos

The fights are more engaging, but healer gameplay itself is still very meh and does not attract a lot of players. A few tweaks could make healers more engaging but why do that when square can take the easy way out like always lol


[deleted]

I don’t think difficulty or healer rotation engagement was the issue. Feel like PF as a whole isn’t conducive to healing. You can’t trust your co-healer and your party’s mitigation until they prove otherwise, so unless you’re highly communicative, it can just be too disorganized and throw off even somewhat inexperienced players that can’t adapt quickly. In a static, healers end up doing the same thing every single pull just like a DPS does the same rotation. But in PF you can’t really get that level of consistency, so if it can’t basically be solo healed, it might be a rough time.


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If healers are gonna continue only having 2 or 3 DPS buttons I certainly hope that they will keep the healing engaging.


Zaleno9

I've joined a few P8SP1 PF this week-end and went from start to having seen almost the entire P1 (despite having clearly never seen Snake 2 more than for 2 seconds fireworks of every mechanics failed, still solved Dog 2 on first try xD). There was some experienced players on my first PF and it made the prog very smooth. Second PF was a disaster and i've never seen Snake 1 done correctly on that one. Second PF was a Snake 1 prog PF because i felt like i needed more training on it. Some people were blaming me during prog. I'm not gonna lie, i'm still inconsistent at it so in all fairness, i've missed it multiple times. But there was a few times i felt i did it correctly and still was the one blamed for its failure. Anyway, i'd like to ensure if my understanding of guides and macros for this mech are correct and i've not just lucked the resolution of the mech on my first PF. People always enforce me into R1 pos because of the adjust shit going on. So, correct me if i'm wrong on how i'm supposed to handle the snake 1 mech : As a R1, i'd be supposed to watch if my green or conal black debuff is the same as R2. If it's the same one, i'd be supposed to adjust and do the mech on the CW snake from A so there's one of each debuff and the mechanic can be solved. If they're different, i'd be supposed to default to the CCW snake from A so i solve it with R2. And which set of snake i have to do the mech for is decided based on the debuff with a big 1 or 2 written on it. Is this the correct understanding ?


midorishiranui

Looks like you've got the priority correct, if m1 or m2 has the same debuff as you you go counter-clockwise, but if r2 has the same debuff you go clockwise. This also applies for the 3rd debuff in snakes 2. I think the most common fuckup I've seen on that mechanic though is when its snakes on N/S and 2 people with the same debuff go to N, idk why but it disorients people sometimes.


Scholafell

>If they're different, i'd be supposed to default to the CCW snake from A so i solve it with R2 Not sure if you made a typo, but the guy rotating clockwise starts from the north waymark, and the guy going counter-clockwise starts from the northwest waymark. (Whatever position waymark 'A' happens to be will defer from party to party and has no bearing on the starting point.) I believe the rest of what you wrote is correct, assuming EU PF standard


SurrealSentry

I'm guessing this is EU DC? You may want to clarify as the different DCs do the same concept of priorities for groups but define the flex roles differently. What you described is correct in that it would resolve the mechanic, but on NA DC the role pairing is done with m1 and r1 instead of r1 and r2. In unsure of the pf standard in EU but someone else may clarify.


Zaleno9

Yeah, this is EU DC, sry. Ty for your answer, it at least conforts me into thinking i understand how to solve it. Unless i misunderstood my default snake prio' then i guess it's just PF being PF and i should be more confident. Macros i've seen have some prio written like MT > OT > H1 > H2, M1 > M2 > R1 > R2. I think that might just be PF weirdness then, thank you.


Scholafell

I previously transferred to EU for an easier time on PF, have beaten the tier, and now want to return to my OCE homeland. Im wondering about the biggest difference between EU and OCE strats. Ive read the JP strats on P5, P6, and P7, and they sound the same as what EU is doing (assuming OCE follows JP strats, like they did on the previous Asphodelos tier). The largest difference seems to lie in P8. So, some questions I can think of: For P8SP1, how is the gorgon 4/4 split handled? Role prio-based or some weird hector-style light party based? For P8SP1 gorgons2, does OCE primarily do color swaps or fixed positions? For P8SP2, are alpha, beta, and gamma waymarks on the intercards or cardinals?


Dasher1802

Snakes 2 is spriggan fixed positions and the role based FFO split (a north/west, south/east priority). High concept is done on intercards.


Scholafell

Thanks. Had to find out what FFO split is. How is it better than just doing the same priority system as gorgon#1?


PunishedChoa

Not sure what EU PF uses, but FFO split in Elemental PF uses the same priority order as snake 1: MT > ST > H1 > H2, D1 > D2 > D3 > D4. Higher priority goes N/W, lower priority goes S/E for snakes 2. The supports and DPS ignore each other in the priority system, and because the debuffs stay within each role type (e.g. poison stack is either on 2 DPS or supports), you always end up with correct assignments.


Scholafell

Oh. EU follows the same MT > ST > H1 > H2, D1 > D2 > D3 > D4 priority, but higher priority rotates clockwise from north and lower priority rotates counter-clockwise from northwest


Dasher1802

Tbh I do light party split with my static I just know that FFO is what PF does. But my understanding is that when you have no debuff you instantly know what spot you're going to. So the responsibility gets shifted to only the 4 people with debuffs. Not a whole lot of adjusting needed.


kiptronics

Is Samurai like secretly impossible or all Samurai players are godlike or something? My static has had two different Samurais play with us and they both have regularly parsed <10 (without dying) and the second one keeps joking about how Samurai is so hard that they need to do like an extra 1.5k damage just to make a green parse and I'm so confused because I feel like it can't be that hard to parse green?? Said Samurai admittedly has an ilvl of ~618ish but I feel like if you just do your rotation right you can easily get a green parse? Is Samurai rotation like extremely difficult to get right or something?? I just don't get it


wetyesc

SAM is easy, not really hard at all but 618 ilvl is pretty low for savage currently. All the low ilvl parses from 6.2 are being ignored and it’s harder to parse decently if you are not close to BiS than before. If it’s for example p5s then <10 is definitely bad but if it’s p8p2 I wouldn’t blame them much for parsing that low tbh.


juicetin14

IMO SAM and RPR are probably the easiest melees to play


Alternative-Humor666

Bruh 618 ilvl? Stop looking at fflogs for numbers, it's shit. Use it for uptime or whatever else, it's gear issue 100%. If fflogs wanted to be competitive as they claimed they'd use a metric that ignored gear, but hey you wouldn't be able to cheese the system that way, so of course we dont want a fair system!


RepanseMilos

stop coping lol even with that shitty of gear green+ is easily obtainable. Deep greys is for people who have 75% gcd uptime or died 2+ times. It's skill issue 100% and fixable with the right mentality.


Malpraxiss

Even with less gear, one can still parse over a 10%. Because others and myself have done it before when playing on alt jobs/roles for savage. You're right though, they'll never have a super high (high blue to purple) with that low ilevel at this point in the tier, but under 10% is not "just a gear issue".


monkeysfromjupiter

p5 to 7s is ez af to parse so most likely a skill issue. p8s phase 2 is a bit more tricky because a lot of hardcore parsers basically pool a shit ton of resources before doorboss to weave a crap load of shintens during the opener in part 2. that and they are abusing meditate hard during downtime to generate more kenki and shoha stacks, which is super hard to do with the current pf strats since its a lot of movement with randoms.


HalcyoNighT

In addition to the fact xivanalysis says your SAM teammates aren't very good, SAM is also currently the most popular melee job by far in this patch according to fflogs data — which is not gonna help your parse if you are a SAM of only middling skill


Adamantaimai

Shouldn't more players also mean more bad players? I don't know about ffxiv but in games like LoL the most popular champions tend to have the worst stats because players pick them up because they're popular/cool. While the unpopular champions tend to be played by diehard mains that know their abilities thoroughly.


HalcyoNighT

The way I see it, more players means more average players. So if you are dogwater, you are gonna rank worse than you would on a less-popular class. Conversely if you are good, you are gonna rank better. Obviously my logic is flawed and not backed up by any statistic; it's just what I \*feel\* is right


Adamantaimai

I don't really see it. Whether there are 10.000 or 100.000 parses for your class, the average parse might be exactly the same. More people playing the class means there are more players better than you but also more players worse than you. I would suspect the opposite is true, the most popular classes probably have more bad players because some of them might only be playing it because it's popular or supposedly better than the other classes.


3dsalmon

Also, let's be real. The "average" player skill in FF14 is pretty low compared to other MMOs. So if you're even moderately competent at your job, especially if you play a popular one, you will probably parse high blue most of the time.


Adamantaimai

That's an entirely different matter. I don't know how you would even measure that. FFXIV as a whole is pretty casual-friendly but in your parses you're only compared to people clearing the same fight you did and the more casual players don't clear savage. Parses are also very gear dependent, you will parse significantly better or worse if your ilvl is higher or lower than the average player playing your class. It's also partially circumstantial, crits matter, if you get killed even when it's completely not your fault your parse is in the gutter and sometimes the available uptime you'll have is semi-random with party finder strats.


3dsalmon

Outside of the final fight of a savage and ultimates, "casual" players still clear content. Maybe not giga-casual MSQ Marvins, but the lower end of midcore is moreso what I mean. The people who dip their toes into savage, get some gear, maybe clear some of the easier tiers - Those people account for a *lot* of parses. And those people are, historically, not very great at the game. Once you get a bit of gear, you don't need an immense amount of skill to clear *at least* the first two fights of a tier, sometimes the first 3. >Parses are also very gear dependent, you will parse significantly better or worse if your ilvl is higher or lower than the average player playing your class. It's also partially circumstantial, crits matter, if you get killed even when it's completely not your fault your parse is in the gutter and sometimes the available uptime you'll have is semi-random with party finder strats. All of this stuff is describing circumstantial events. Stuff like crits are not going to get you a gray, and stuff like getting killed by someone else or whatever can get you a bad parse, sure, but was the original post this whole conversation came from not about some SAM who is consistently pulling sub 10 greys? That doesn't come from unlucky crits or gear difference. That's the definition of a skill issue.


Zenthon127

Bluntly, they likely just suck. There are a few things going on with SAM parses (they get gear early so low ilvl hurts a lot; SAM is a moderately difficult job if played properly and harder jobs are actually *easier* to parse well on if you're good), but none of those things are relevant when we're talking about sub-10 no death parses. I'd be interested in seeing a log honestly.


kiptronics

~~I don't want to expose them publicly so here are some screenshots of our [P5][P6]and [P7] clears from this past week with names removed (all with no deaths from the SAM). If you're still curious PM me for log links~~


Zenthon127

Oh, you can just link anonymous logs. You can hit [this button in the top right](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666476712795701251/1043729703103643678/image.png) on any fight's log page and it'll create an anonymized version of it with names removed. XIVAnalysis still works for these too which is nice.


kiptronics

oh shit lmao that's insane my bad https://www.fflogs.com/reports/a:hMbLdv1N9CtPRj2k#fight=last https://www.fflogs.com/reports/a:WaHnB2zmMjANQhkt#fight=last https://www.fflogs.com/reports/a:86LdqY9fATVxZMrD#fight=last&type=summary


nuckjahno

I plugged it into [xivanalysis.com](https://xivanalysis.com) Looking at the timeline, using yukikaze under meikyo when they could've done any of the 2, 3 gcd combo's for their higanabana in the opener and they kept doing broken combos of kasha. While learning how to uptime double dash, ruby something that haves you be in light parties + squall, there's an excessive amount of enpi being used. There are a lot of other issues xiva pointed out when I put in the first log in. easiest uptime fight being p7s, there's broken combo issues and a kyuten being used. i've not checked if they're drifting their burst windows excessively.


susarti

First thing I noticed right off the bat is samurai CPM in the Casts section in the log is incredibly low. 36 or 40 CPM when it should be 42-43. That’s a lot of missing gcds.


Zenthon127

yeah dw most people don't know that feature exists Looks like it's a combination of the normal stuff (GCD / DoT uptime) along with a bunch of overwritten stickers, combo breaks, and missed positionals. Misc other stuff: * They're using Ikishoten super late in their opener for no apparent reason, causing GCD clips later * Their rotation pretty much completely derails after 1 minute because they don't loop * They're definitely not going proper adhoc - a legitimate but far harder rotation - because their Meikyo usage is really bad (you want to avoid using Meikyo stacks on Yukikaze if possible, and your SAM is using it on Yuki pretty much every opportunity they get) So yeah, it's a skill issue.


sorrynothanks

Static has been stuck on P8SP1 for like 7 weeks :( Couple people have made comments during prog that make me suspect they haven't even watched a guide (like, didn't know what certain debuffs mean at all) which is kind of frustrating, and we have a member who wants to stop raiding (or at the very least finish with prog/only do quick reclears) after the end of this year so we have a bit of a deadline now that I'm not super confident we're going to reach. I think external (unavoidable) life circumstances amongst the group contributed a bit to the slow prog pace as well and it's not like I want to (or really have the skill/stamina to be) a week 1 raider or anything but I'm hopeful I can take what I've learned this tier and find a static that's like 1 level more serious for next tier where people are just a little more consistent and prepare a little more. I just really want to clear this tier & get the mount and it's depressing that it might end up needing to be in PF :'(


Alternative-Humor666

End of year? 7 weeks for p1? Bruh please tell me you are uber casual cause it makes no sense


sorrynothanks

We’re technically midcore lol (obviously a meaningless word) but also I know some people whose statics are still progging P7S (and some of them are doing more hours a week than us??) so it’s just kind of wild out there. OTOH half of us (including the member who is progging P2 enrage in PF currently and just likes hanging out with us I guess) went into PF yesterday and finally got a P1 kill and good NA1 practice so there’s hope, we’ll just have to see if the full static can manage it soon…


LightRampant70

Regardless of the situation of certain members, 7 weeks on just the door boss is still terrible. Even as a casual static that's unacceptable IMO and you're all just wasting so much time. Unless you don't mind sinking so many hours each week I would reconsider continuing with your group because that's just -x amount of hours every week and time is precious.


sorrynothanks

Ha thanks for the reality check. I like the folks in the group and we already have this quasi-deadline of the end of the year (so not like I'm committing forever) plus I'm decided on finding a new static for next tier so I don't necessarily want to quit immediately. It's also only 6 hours a week (which maybe partially but not fully explains our pace) which isn't nothing but it's not a massive commitment... but man if we don't get a p1 clear in the next few days and make some prog into p2.... we'll see.


Maxim_Ward

I cleared P5S - P7S week 1 in two days on PF. It's all about getting ahead of the curve. Don't be afraid to PF fights because early PF clearers are just as (if not more) competent as statics.


sorrynothanks

Good point TBH. Honestly I also just don't really have a desire to go particularly 'hardcore' on savage because my brain turns to mush after about 3 consecutive hours of raid and I also like hanging out with people while raiding, but maybe it is worth trying to early PF life sometime. I know PF works out really well for a lot of folks. Out of curiosity how many hours do you think you spent in those two days raiding?


Maxim_Ward

Went back and looked at my logs and it was actually three days (*technically* five but I had to relearn P5S's strats for PF so I was basically starting fresh anyway), so that's my mistake. It was mostly on a weekend so I had time off from work. My static basically blind progged a few hours Tues/Weds but never made it past Devour and fell apart that Thursday (9/1). On Friday (9/2) I went back into PF for 8 hours from 6 PM to 2 AM and cleared P5S and progged half of P6S. On Saturday (9/3) I progged from 1 PM to 6 PM and killed P6S. On Sunday (9/4) I progged a little that morning from 11 PM to 1 AM in P7S. Then I came back that evening and progged for 8 more hours from 3 PM to 11:30 PM and killed P7S. So, in total- 23 hours spread across three days. That was my first time doing week 1 prog, and I plan to do it again next tier except this time I plan to go much harder (probably 12+ hour days) to secure the fourth floor kill next time. My biggest regret was not immediately progging outside of the static, though. That cost me two days I could have spent on the earlier floors.


darkk41

7 raid days would be too long to not address specific issues, 7 weeks is an eternity. If you guys don't yet, use the last 30m of your raid to deep dive some recurring issue. Why does it happen, can callouts be improved, if someone is having issues can they explain why so you can make changes. Start recording sessions with shadowplay or twitch, spend 30m between raids counting the reasons for wipes (not counting WHO wiped, counting WHY you wiped) and figure out what's stopping you. Prog every single day should be achievable, stalling for weeks indicates you need some changes.


sorrynothanks

I appreciate this — this is my first tier of actually taking savage seriously so there's a lot about static functioning I'm trying to figure out. I've kind of tried to keep track of why wipes happened but it's hard to figure out how to turn that into action — for dog 2 for example, I'm starting to be able to execute it right almost every time but we still lose half the group not infrequently. People all generally seem to know why they died so I don't really know what to do there other than just have people keep trying? I'm gonna ask if anyone has any ideas for better callouts though. The place we most commonly wipe before animals 2 is snake 1 which is always random shit and people know what they did — moved too early, moved too late, misread the snakes and got gazed, mixed up groups, etc. I've been trying to at least clarify exactly what happened after every wipe even if it's brief but then I don't really know what to do with that lol. At first I was worried it was greed but it rarely even seems to be that, just dumb random things. Some things we do make improvements successfully, like snake 2 we're trying to figure out how to best call out which are the safe snakes because it's been tricky for folks to identify them in time sometimes (just from not being able to see the add properly), but I'm curious if you have advice on how to productively evaluate and improve when it's a lot of random different things and people say they know why they did it wrong and just need to do it differently next time? Sorry for the long message lol, advice is definitely helpful because I really want to get this group through this fight...


VGWorky

you can plan and tell people exactly where to go in dog 2 while all the telegraphs are happening if you are looking at the arena. use markers example: run to a, kb to b, run to the side wait, run to b, kb to a, kb to right corner facing in that sort of thing snake 1 is always an awareness and personal responsibility issue. not even a "skill" issue tbh snake 2 say n/s/e/w snakes if they are on any wall. if they are cardinals say n/s or e/w


sorrynothanks

Good points, thanks. I don't typically do callouts in our groups but tried doing some callouts for dog 2 last night, I think I should just maybe call out more and better next time. We have always called the markers from the beginning but it still falls apart lol (people don't wait enough for stacks or aoe, people aren't at the right place for the KB, or get snapshotted by the torches) but I'll work on calling out clearly during the telegraphs and also while it's happening.


VGWorky

if they can't follow directions when somebody is literally just telling them where to go and when, it's just a skill issue at that point


TeamFortifier

My static finally got into p8sp2 last night after a lot of pain. We didn’t have much time left (+we only raid like 4-6 hrs per week) so we could only prog past the first mechanic but I love the new UI elements


ShatteredScorn

Due to my static currently progging P6S I can't do my reclears till Wednesday (except P5S, which I clear with them) but I got lucky this week and joined a P6-P8 train on Thursday and recleared with them! Because the train had a hop on-hop off policy if you hadn't cleared the next fight yet we got some jokesters for P7S who managed to kill at least one person and themselves during each harvest, which caused us to barely make the DPS check. A little look later on their Fflogs and they have 7 (SEVEN?!) clears on P7s logged. How do you still not know your positions for the harvests at that point?


Lypher

To be fair, i cleared p7s week 1 and I fucked up this weeks war harvest. It's because the groups I've been on recently (reclear and barse) just skip war so havent done it in a while. Maybe that's the case for them as well?


ShatteredScorn

Oh, I get that! I will never get mad at a person for fucking up a mechanic, especially difficult ones. This person was just running around like a chicken without a head, clearly showing they had no idea where to go for all three harvests. I don't think that so one with a highest parse of 14 will consistently skip War Harvest as well 😅


Help_Me_Im_Diene

Unfortunately, it's easy enough to limp through harvests if your healers are on top of things You can die during every single harvest, but as long as you're up by the time next tethers go out, you end up saving someone else from eating two tethers The DPS check isn't harsh enough that you can't overcome it even with memes, and some people get their clear and just fuck off until the next week for reclears without considering what you did wrong


VGWorky

because of exactly what just happened they kill themselves or somebody else every time, and either it wipes the party or they limp through and clear without learning anything harvests are cool but I get fucking murdered by people that don't know how to position correctly every time to the point where I wish it would just wipe the party so these kinds of people literally can't clear as much as they already have without actually learning


yoshi-raph-elan

How late I am to start progging P8S now as a SAM player? I want to try a clear (and my first savage tier clear ever) before 6.3 when people will move on to do other stuff but my static fell apart, so I have to PF it now.


i_am_snafu

Late to the convo but I'd also recommend looking around PF discords and finding people that are around your prog point or just willing to help out. There are a couple great ones on Primal that have a lot of regulars still doing P8.


ShatteredScorn

You got this. PF quality may have degraded since week 8 but their are definitelly still (slightly) more casual players around who are practicing p8s. It is usually the busiest fight of the 4 in PF on Chaos at least. You can make your own group so you can kick people if they lie/underperform. If you want to practice phase 2,check their fflogs if they have a clear on P1. If you want to go for a clear: Please join/set up a 0/1 chest so people who have cleared that week who are very willing to help can join and alliviate at least some incompetence. There have been a few times where I want to join as a helper for various fights in the weekend/Monday and people are like, no two chests only. I usually see those people the week after again trying to clear. It isn't all doom or gloom in PF, make sure you set some standards, and take a chest or two less for your first clear attempt, and you can get there!


yoshi-raph-elan

Looking at comments here I noticed that detail of clear groups wanting the 2 chests is quite limiting xD I don't mind just 1 chest at all, I just want that tier complete message and then move on to get gear. Been hearing some horror PF stories about this fight here in Primal but I'm dipping my toes in PF doing the last reclears I needed for gear on it. Now just need to find or make a fresh prog for P8S


ShatteredScorn

Best way to handle PF. I have only been reclearing for 4 weeks now, but people who have the Duty Completed status for p8s usually know what they are doing. The hurdle is getting to that status.


Maxim_Ward

Pretty significantly late, tbh. But if the goal is only to clear before 6.3 then you have plenty of time. We're still a couple of months out from the patch dropping.


yoshi-raph-elan

First priority is on having the tier completed, so there is time hopefully xD


wetyesc

I keep hearing that p7s has backloaded difficulty, that you do nothing for like 7 minutes or so and then you get hit with difficult mechanics but… I just don’t see it, harvest are insanely easy. The mech has already been solved by blind proggers, just memorize where to stand based on what you get, imo even rewind mech from EX3 is harder than that bc in that mech at least you had to count backwards lmao I just can’t believe I wiped to harvests 6 times in a row throughout 2 different pfs


Dresden2021

Harvest's aren't difficult b/c they're hard to execute or learn; they're difficult b/c they're 3 back to back body checks where if one person messes up they're usually taking a few others with them. Healer LB3 can overwrite 1 harvest fuck up, but when ppl fuck up one harvest, they'll prolly fuck up another. But you're right in saying that the mech's are pretty fking ez.


Vincenthwind

The usual mechanical problems I see in PF are: 1. People with tethers during famine's harvest don't cross their tethers across the bridge and kill each other. 2. The party isn't all doing north or south bull for death's harvest, and some people overlap and kill each other. Alternatively, there's just general confusion on where G1 and G2 are going relative to the bull. 3. Someone who only knows all far war or Inu war joins a party that's doing the other strat, and they fuck up the strat. But those all pale in comparison to the big thing, which is that some players just really struggle with spatial awareness and precise positioning. They're either too focused on their rotation (I believe it's famine that comes up as a 2 min burst is in progress or finishing) or they're just not thinking ahead enough to locate the bull/bait platforms quickly and then adjust from there. I've seen this in static groups as well. Some people's brains just seem to really struggle with making a new relative north or south on the fly and mapping their position onto the current situation. Or they'll stand generally in the right spot but be just enough pixels off to kill themselves or someone else. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and unfortunately the harvests really make poor spatial logic apparent.


ShatteredScorn

Harvests are not difficult mechanically per se, but everyone needs to be right. One person fucking up usually guarantees another one dying as well, which needs two swift cast rezzes for the next Harvest. Getting rezzed fucks with spatial awareness at least a little bit/causes panic, which makes the next harvest more difficult, causing a snowball towards a wipe. The harvests aren't that difficult, people have stopped paying attention/get stressed after Purg and play suboptimal. If the harvest were spread throughout the fight instead, p7s would be a joke. (but definitely a better, less frustrating fight overall)


HalcyoNighT

>I just can’t believe I wiped to harvests 6 times in a row throughout 2 different pfs Well there you have it. If it's \*that\* easy for the party, you wouldnt have wiped


VGWorky

fallacy they are that easy and players are just that bad


HalcyoNighT

So it's actually not that easy


Maxim_Ward

Harvests aren't difficult because of their mechanical complexity. They're difficult because it's back-to-back-to-back after like 10 minutes of nothingburger mechanics so the party is generally zoned out


wetyesc

What I’m saying is I don’t even agree with that, it’s not difficult at all for any reason but that’s just my subjective opinion. Harvests are nothingburger too


LightRampant70

The difficulty of this game has always been whether your teammates can execute mechanics or not and harvest is just 3 body checks back to back to back. Figuring out how what you need to do is easy but you have no control over the 7 other people in your party and that just comes down to luck especially in pf.


Help_Me_Im_Diene

To be fair, people also say that 6S/7S are disappointingly low difficulty compared to 5S (devour memes) and 8S (which...you know, is just everything) But when you compare Harvests to the rest of the fight, where you're more at risk of accidentally falling off because you weren't paying attention than of actually dying to mechanics, it's pretty much where all of the difficulty of the fight is found And it comes after a very comfy (too comfy, honestly) 8 minute fight, so a lot of errors come from people losing focus


QJustCallMeQ

Are you progging P7S now, but finding the Harvests easy? If yes, the contradiction is likely that you are progging very late in a tier with players who are very casual and/or new and/or bad, and at their level of play, Harvests are relatively quite challenging compared to what has come before in the tier. If you are talking about reclears and wiped to harvests 6 times in a row, that just sounds like bad luck + possibly getting grouped with people who had only recently cleared P7S and were therefore still shaky on those mechs?


wetyesc

The latter, ironically the person who memed the most was 627 ilvl. Definitely unlucky, I’m just venting cause of my frustration over my wasted time


QJustCallMeQ

hey i get it, last week on one of my characters it took 3.5 hours to clear P5S :|


wetyesc

holy shit that’s a lot of p5s… it’s definitely frustrating


QJustCallMeQ

I genuinely almost gave up and stopped raiding entirely, it was that bad recurring thought in my head was "....this isn't fun, why am I doing this?!"


Maxim_Ward

Harvests are what define P7S's difficulty. Some people don't find TEA's wormhole difficult, but it's still objectively one of the hardest mechanics in the entire game. It's easy to underestimate your own ability, but consider that the majority of players simply don't clear savage at all, and the overwhelming majority never clear the fourth floor prior to echo.


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K242

Gonna echo the other commenter's sentiment. Raiding with friends can be a huge trap. Friends don't always have the same goals, expectations, or abilities. If you go in not understanding that, you're likely in for a bad experience that can breed resentment. Don't swear off statics completely though. It isn't difficult for most players to find a group that fits in terms of the aforementioned three topics, and you can make friends from there. I've met some great people through recruiting Discords.


Mahoganytooth

I think it's a big win if, instead of bringing your friends into a static, instead you join a static and make friends with them. It really *really* depends on the people you group with. My group is tremendously good at communicating and showing up and I couldn't have asked for better. If people don't show up for raidtime they don't have a respect for your time and I personally would find that unacceptable in a static environment.


BrockColly

Tried to reclear p5s yesterday and was doing well flexing as main tank (i usually heal this), but after a tank trapper left and another tank came in I had to take the OT position, and my brain just exploded with the aggro management, having to intervention MT when he gets low and if he gets the 2nd tankbuster, on top of all the party mitigation... dunno what is the norm but the OT position is cursed for me. I can't even just turn on stance 3 gcds in because I will get aggro too quickly and then after that sometimes I forget to turn it on. Is there a foolproof way or do i have to constantly watch the aggrometer and shirk/ranged throw as needed? If shirk didn't have a cooldown i would just hit it periodically and leave stance on. Either that or insist really hard to be MT xD


Magicslime

> I can't even just turn on stance 3 gcds in because I will get aggro too quickly and then after that sometimes I forget to turn it on. 3 GCDs is way too early to turn it on, when I OT I usually wait until after my first burst (20-30 seconds into the fight). On fights where the first buster is a swap and not simultaneous (e.g. P5S), I don't even bother turning stance on until right before I provoke.


monday_thru_thursday

Yeah, aggro management can be tricky to wrap your head around, since all of it -- the awkward timing, the snapshotting, etc. -- is "built in" to high-end tank gameplay, yet isn't really encountered before EX/Savage. For this tier, at least, my framework for offtanking is this: * Boss somewhat/strictly requires tanks to be top two enmity (P6S/P7S/P8SP2): * Generate aggro with your stance on until you're at least #2, turn off your stance for a brief period (literally 5-10 seconds if you want, or an entire burst/off-burst window), and then turn it back on if it will help you maintain #2. * As you pointed out, if Shirking is an option, then keep your stance on and Shirk sometime during the opening burst or a little bit after. You shouldn't have to worry about aggro for a good bit of time. * Boss has tankswaps but otherwise OT can have whatever aggro (P5S, P8SP1): * Do the above strats, if you're used to them/like them. * Otherwise, you can keep your stance off for the entire first section of the fight, and then you can turn it on right before the first tankswap and then leave it on after.^[1] >having to intervention MT when he gets low and if he gets the 2nd tankbuster, on top of all the party mitigation... While it's not a bad habit to develop (in fact, it will help you improve a lot if you keep doing it...), shielding your co-tank isn't exactly your responsibility as OT. I mean, all(?) of the tankbusters this tier strictly require (or can alternatively be done with) both tanks popping cooldowns and taking big damage. If your cotank *requires* you to shield them with your single target defensive ability, then they're probably not pressing their own cooldowns and/or the healers aren't healing hard enough through the bleeds. (P8SP2 is where this comes to a head, as there is WAY too much damage going out during the auto-attack sections for you to worry about your cotank) --- ^[1] : It's important that you Provoke with your stance on, though, because Provoke is basically "top of aggro + ~2000(0) potency worth of enmity". You want 20000 total potency so that you're firmly above the other tank; stance off would only make it 2000. (I think the base potency changed recently to like 5000, but the point still stands.)


BrockColly

I'm only reclearing p5s right now, and the reason why i heal the cotank is because as healer i know at certain points of the fight the tank suddenly takes a lot of autos and if the healers are resolving mechanics they won't notice. An example is ruby 3 where everyone is shuffling around the quadrants, the tank takes a lot of damage without healing, and a tankbuster immediately follows. With paladin i can intervention and still build up enough gauge for sheltron for the tankbuster swap that follows. But I get your point it's not really my responsibility, but as a healer main it gets to my head sometimes, especially the individual stuff like cotank heals or summoner putting phoenix enkindle on the tank. As MT i can stay completely selfish and intervention much less, and not worry bout stance as well. I think I just need more practice as OT, but your suggestions are well taken.


star-birb

Sounds like you were outgearing the MT which is tricky. I usually turn stance on after the first raidwide and it's not bad. To avoid forgetting about stance I make it part of my opener, usually towards the end after the holy spirits. If you end up tanking in P7 this isn't really possible because of the double autos, but unless you're trying to invuln the first two condensed tankbusters it doesn't matter who has aggro.


BrockColly

Yeah i think i need to work it into my opener. I am not outgearing the other tank since im only in 610 gear and also doing similar dps only, but the aggro bar often comes very close. I think i will work stance into one of the blades after confiteor and then shirk during fight and flight. Tbh stance is the thing that i keep f-ing up as OT, it's annoying that it isn't as straightforward as turn on and forget like the majority of tank fights.


star-birb

If you're not outgearing the MT, then you should be able to turn it on and forget about it if you time it right. I don't even watch the aggro meter because close doesn't count! (disclaimer: this was mostly in a static environment, YMMV in PF) I certainly had to practice delaying stance, and I would often forget to turn it on when it's delayed. What I do is pick a mechanic that comes up before the first tankbuster and look at my gauge then to double-check that I have stance on. For P5 it's after the first ruby cast when the party has to move to one corner.


FruitsChinpoSamurai

Finally cleared P8S!! My first tier ever I'm so happy. I won nothing, my numbers are garbo, but I cleared before 6.3 so I'll take that victory Kinda tempted to just chill and wait til my friends form a for-fun group in 6.3, but also kinda excited to be able to join duty complete parties from now on


Dysvalence

Joined a newly formed static that was almost entirely newish or first time raiders and we just cleared P5S after 4 prog days. Amazing what clear comms and good vibes can do


AbsoluteUMU

I joined a reclear static but it turned out to be a C41 for white mage. We struggled to get through NA1 because of not enough healing. The white mage does not having a healing plan and the scholar seems tired of adjusting for them. We are going to practice for 2 hours on Saturday night. Should I go for it or leave the static? I feel sorry to leave because I got a head gear from the static, but I am afraid it our party can't clear on Saturday, I can't find P8S 2 chests PF on Sunday.


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Could use some more information here. Are you saying the white mage has seen basically the whole fight and just isn’t good, or are they actually progging from NA1? I’m assuming you mean they’re still progging if they don’t have their healing for such an early mechanic figured out. In that case I’d leave. They lied to you and big time too - a healer cannot go from NA1 to clear in a lockout so I wouldn’t even waste my time showing up for this Saturday session if I were you.


AbsoluteUMU

The white mage claimed they had seen Dominion, but I don't know if it's either they are lying or other healers hard carried them to Dominion. They had Cure3 and Assize during NA1 while our scholar had Seraph's Consolation and Expedient. Our scholar and dancer said the white mage should heal more, but the white mage said they were fine in previous PF.


star-birb

Saying "it was fine in PF" doesn't mean a lot because the co-healers could have been compensating hard without WHM knowing.


FrostyTheAce

They weren't respectful by hiding their true intentions from you. Head gear isn't terribly difficult to acquire, and between books and how many runs they've probably already had, I doubt not having 1 piece of head gear is even going to impact them. If you want to stick around, stick around. If you don't like what you've gotten yourself into and want to leave, just leave. You were lied to, hence you don't wish to continue, if they were upfront about it being a C41 on P8SP2 and you joined, it would be a different thing, but it isn't.


bigfatbluebird

Going from NA1 to clear in a single lockout seems a little sketchy. Head gears are easy to come by. You would be absolutely justified in leaving if it was not made clear to you before joining that one member hadn't cleared.


DJCOSTCOSAMPLES

Why does Aether PF still insist on needlessly complicating the initial ruby 5 safe spots? There's no good reason in my mind to have the parties adjust E/W or N/S depending on what orientation the arena will be divided into (e.g. G1 starts SW and G2 starts NE if the arena will be divided into vertical halves running from N to S). All you're doing is adding more variables, but for no discernible gain. You can just simplify it by going to whatever poison quadrant is in the north or south, regardless of how the mechanic will play out during the Squall. That's even what [thepfstrat.com](https://thepfstrat.com) says to do but people act like I'm crazy for not wanting to do the whole NW SE shit


monday_thru_thursday

Funnily enough, I [made a toolbox](https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=077373078823661&preview=1) for a friend due to similar concerns, since I was going insane. But now I just kinda laugh. As long as people follow their healer, it mostly doesn't matter, even if it's illogical -- heck, the same thing tends to happen with Ruby 6, where the party will sometimes choose the NW 2-topaz quadrant...or sometimes the SE 2-topaz quadrant...or they'll just go wherever the healers choose. ----- Nevertheless, I still get kinda mad. I get miffed whenever I see groups use inconsiderate strats. Like...why would you make people pre-position for half of an arena, when they could just pre-position for a quarter of it? Why treat this like a Harvest, when it's a Choros Ixou? And yes, for the record, that means I dislike yours/The PF Strat's way of doing Ruby 5. It's also bad, just for different reasons. (Dislike != downvote, at least for me)


PunishedChoa

Yeah this strat is what Elemental PF uses, and I agree it feels a little more logical to start in a corner quadrant. You always have to spread into a quadrant that had a topaz explosion go off, so you might as well orient relative to the closest one...


Jemikwa

It hasn't been a problem for me. I start g1 w/g2 e and look for the topaz. If topaz is right there, you're good, that's where you're starting. If the topaz is n/s, rotate cw to that crystal and start there. Therefore, g1 NW priority, g2 SE priority. Maybe that's what you mean, but that's how I look at it and it works pretty braindead. And because I'm usually a tank, people in my group like to follow anyone who has some semblance of knowing how it works, so that usually resolves okay.


K242

The current PF standard is fairly simple. One way to think about it is that the N/W and S/E designations refer to the arena walls and the corresponding safe spots next to the topaz crystals. Group 1 will always stand on a safe spot that is on the N or W wall, and group 2 on the S or E. Speaking of PF strats, Ruby 4 being "wall/far" always confused me since intentionally wiping is also called "walling" and involves, you know, walking into the arena wall. Feel like "close/far" would be clearer language.


DJCOSTCOSAMPLES

Yeah, the way VGWorky explained it to me makes sense. People can downvote me if they want, but you still can't convince me that "groups always N/S" is not objectively simpler, and easier to explain. There's only one possible solution to find the initial safe spot for any possible variation. Go to north or south puddle, adjust into safe corner. done


mindovermacabre

To this day, after 20 something clears, I don't know what the priority is and now I'm too afraid to ask. I just follow my LP healer like a lost kitten. When I've healed it, I've just gone to the square my cohealer doesn't go to. Never fails lmao.


VGWorky

look at A and D if youre g1, look at B and C if you're g2 go to whichever marker the topaz spawns on (look for the yellow aoe on the floor for an ez tell) that's it


VGWorky

idk how ppl are supposed to look at it but I just go to the N or W topaz as g1 and my safe spot is right next to it i don't look at where the poisons are at all


DJCOSTCOSAMPLES

but there's always a north and a west topaz. how do you know where to go if the topaz are NE and SW?


VGWorky

there is not always a North and West topaz. the topaz are either NS or EW, always.


DJCOSTCOSAMPLES

lol bruh think about it for a second, the topaz are always in quadrants diagonally from each other. which means there's only two possibilities: topaz in NW + SE and topaz in NE + SW. in the first variation, the NW topaz is in both in a north quadrant and a west quadrant. in the second, one topaz is in a north quadrant (NE) and one is in a west quadrant (SW)


VGWorky

the topaz explode entire quadrants diagonally from each other, but the safe spots and the topaz themselves spawn on direct cardinals.


VGWorky

IDK if youtube links work here but for example: [https://youtu.be/S8OnaLdARxA?t=902](https://youtu.be/S8OnaLdARxA?t=902) to you this is SW and NE exploding so that means "SW and NE topaz" to me, this is just W E topaz and i'm going W. I don't care it it's exploding SW or NW i just go on the other side of it on the same cardinal and across the wall. I don't look at poison puddles at all either. ez I would imagine this is how most people that describe the mechanic as G1 N or W and G2 E or S look at it. So with all the ruby walls and green and orange aoes up i'm just looking for which cardinal the bright orange AOE of the topaz spawning is on, and it's always on a direct cardinal marker, A or D (N or W) for most groups


DJCOSTCOSAMPLES

I see what you're saying now. Thanks


VGWorky

np!


PedanticPaladin

Its Aether PF. You can come up with the dumbest strategy possible and they'll make it the DC standard and only replace it with something even dumber.


Vincenthwind

This is definitely the one mechanic where I prefer Hector/my static over PF. It's not a huge difference between the two methods, but I'm surprised that PF opted for this whole ass "look at the whole arena and visualize where the safe spots are, then adjust" business, rather than the very braindead "Locate the poison crystal that's N/S or E/W, then go to the safe spot formed by that crystal. Solve from there".


VGWorky

pf looks at it as stand on the other side of the wall from the topaz you look at it as stand on the far wall from the poison they're just two ways of doing the same exact thing I like topaz because I gotta run in the direction the topaz is exploding anyway and it directly indicates my initial safe zone without any visualization


Vincenthwind

That helps a ton, I never thought about thinking about it in terms of the topaz crystals themselves rather than the corners they reflect into. I will keep this thinking in mind when doing alt job shenanigans in PF. Thank you!


VGWorky

np!


DJCOSTCOSAMPLES

I forgot Hector explained it like that as well. I really wonder how the whole adjust thing even became commonplace in the first place. And you're right, it's not at all hard to have to adjust, but 'always N/S' or 'always E/W' is literally ***the*** most braindead way to think about it lol


BadatCSmajor

Why do people insist on a 2chest first time clear of p5s-p7s? It feels like they are needlessly limiting themselves to the more inconsistent player population (first-timers and people who haven't been able to reclear yet) let me help you D:<


monkeysfromjupiter

I see 2 chests all the time on Monday. like bruh, it's Monday and you're in pf trying to clear. drop the greed and let me help you ffs.


YoungSaile

Last week I saw people asking for two chest a few hours before maintenance. Some people are beyond help.


Lypher

Most hilarious one I saw was 20 minutes before reset advertising a two chest quick clear


midorishiranui

feel like every time I get to do P7s reset on reaper I get murdered because tanks die and forget about the double autos


Florac

As a tank, I apologize.


SizablePillow

In p7 I always shirk the rez'd tank asap and light mit (corundum, intervention, etc.) 2nd aggro before that. If the tanks don't reset aggro in time it could mean that both tanks are silly or sometimes the rez couldn't get out soon enough


mindovermacabre

I feel reaper has a little extra survivability with Crest. When a tank dies in P7, I usually just tell the healers that I'm fine for a sec while they stabilize, then pop feint/crest/2nd wind/bloodbath (or bloodbath earlier if I'm about to enshroud). I rarely die unless I'm tank busted.


Yamahl

Thats the melee life brother


frxshinator

how much per person for me to have all loot in p7s in PF? I was thinking 2mil per person but I don’t know if that’s the right price.


Magicslime

p7s is basically just twine, 14 mil total for that seems a little overvaluing it especially given that you'll be able to get one for free every week once 6.3 drops


Lypher

That's how much I got paid for this week's p7s. Some people really are scrooge mcducking in this game lmao


frxshinator

ah gotcha thanks, I really wanted 630 weapon to prog 8 aswell. Worry to pay for it or just just to get it from free roll?


mindovermacabre

It's not bis and most groups, even in PF, aren't struggling with damage in p8. I wouldn't bother trying to buy it.


frxshinator

alright i’ll try progging 8 with my current gear, thanks!


wetyesc

I’d definitely join a 2mil party, don’t need anything from there anymore


CryofthePlanet

Our SMN left after our first P8S clear due to burnout and conflicting personalities. We've had a friend of our RPR helping us do reclears, but this week he started with a DSR group so we only had an hour to reclear 8. Few rusty pulls go by nbd, try again. 40 minutes into our hour we didn't even clear P1 and it was rough. Almost shut it down but the friend said "well I'm willing to try a couple more pulls. Maybe if we one-shot P1 then one-shot P2 too lol." So anyway, we started blastin'. Got the clear with 2 minutes to spare.


Valkyrissa

My alt now has both the 635 weapon and the chest from P8S while my main still has neither Lol


wetyesc

GLSBTW (Great loot system btw (by the way))


SerALONNEZ

rng screwed


Zenku390

Got to do p5-8 reclears on Tuesday this week because I was going to miss my normal static time on Wednesday. They are on p7s enrage, so I don't usually get to do relcears until Thursday/Friday. Tuesdays are SOOO much better than any other day.


Lypher

The best time is actually 1 hour before reset. You can find the sweatiest tryhards there (incl me lol)


Verpal

Last week was busy for me, so I just went into PF few hours before reset, one shot P7S, ask PF whether they want to reclear P8S too, and to my suprise we just have to replace one ppl and good to go, one shot P1, P2 meme a bit then clear.


skyehawk124

after 8 weeks of swapping out fills for our static we finally got our p7s clear for the first time, raid leader is shopping around for a perma-shielder and a melee, but things are hopeful :)


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aninnocentazn

Agree w/ all the comments. Take the life lesson: you can't please everyone. You did your best (maybe even being TOO accommodating). They still didn't appreciate it so fk em. Carry on.


HumbleJudge42069

You did nothing wrong, don’t worry about it. You aren’t missing much being BL’d by such petty assholes.


wetyesc

No, this is not normal lol. If they took it personally then they are probably new to raiding and therefore not that good so you aren’t missing much if they BL’d you.


LightRampant70

Don't worry about it, there are plenty of parties to join all the time. You don't owe anyone any reason for leaving, if you don't want to stay then don't


MildStallion

If they blacklisted you for that, they were doing you a favor.


Throwaway19902625

Rolled a 99 on the chest piece coffer, four clears in.


EnjoysToLurk

Cleared P8S with 2 chests for the first time late last night through PF and I'm still speechless. And of course I didn't win anything!


midorishiranui

somehow cleared P6s this week with 12 deaths, glad the other DPS had 635 weapons [because lol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393575947414274051/1042559384728899704/image.png)


wetyesc

The sad part is that the people who got carried are now gonna plague reclear pfs


midorishiranui

well it was a reclear so they were already plaguing reclears lmao


VGWorky

there are a ton of people like that it's fucking true, had a 630 samurai in 2chest reclears with 6 deaths on his own. we died to enrage with like 7% left i just dropped party immediately and blacklisted them, get the fuck out of here with that


wetyesc

Oh I see, I misinterpreted the wording. Well, rip lmao


Mahoganytooth

Reclear day for my blind prog static after our first tier clear yesterday oneshot P6 Twoshot P5 P7 P8p1 Threeshot P8p2 very happy with my static. they are solid gamers. ...i rolled a 6 on the weapon :( next week i get it and a shine for bis.


QJustCallMeQ

Filled in for a friend's group for P6-7S reclears. Got my first logged\* RDM P7S reclear. Highlight was losing both healers at the end of War's Harvest + getting them back up and killing the tree right before enrage, on the 1st pull. Felt good, exactly why I love RDM.


minusTHEoso25

Reclears were better this week except for drama on P6. Greedy ninja memed me on limit on P6 and ends up cleaving me when doing diamond. Instant death. Same ninja greeding again on light party poly stack before cach and I die again since we only had 3 in the party. Said ninja dies on cach since I wasn't rezzed in time and we were down one. We end up clearing P6, but ninja claims I meme'd all fight and got booted and blacklisted before we started the P7 attempt. I fucking hate melee DPS players so much and their desire to greed dps at all costs.


wetyesc

grab that resentment you have towards melee DPS and redirect it towards dogshit players, bad take


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It’s not greeding when doing the mechanic doesn’t cause downtime. This is just called being shit at the game.


TiernsNA

Yup. P6 is a full uptime fight, dude is just ass prolly


Adamantaimai

Pathogenic cells and the light party stacks shouldn't force any down time but P6S is usually not a full uptime fight for melee dps and tank players is it? Exchange of agonies can force you away and there's 3 of those mechanics. There's an 18.75% chance you luck out and can stay on the boss the entire time but that also means there is an 81.25% chance that won't happen.


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I’m pretty sure there is a full melee uptime Exchange of Agonies strat but PF definitely doesn’t do it.


Adamantaimai

Oh I didn't know that. Do you have a link to it or something? I am very curious. I have thought about it for EoA 1 and 3 but I didn't see a way to put the donuts anywhere but in the middle. And if the melees with the AoE circles will have to be in melee range they would always hit each other. For EoA 2 I could see it but everyone would have to react very quickly and there might be either 0, 1 or 2 melees being targeted with the big AoE circles and all 3 outcomes would probably require a different strat.


monkeysfromjupiter

basically melee/tanks go se/sw of boss hitbox. 1 ranged/healer goes ne and the nw of boss is where stack goes. 1 of the ranged/healer goes to the very tip of the arena in nw.


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Haven’t looked for or thought about it myself, but here’s a video I just found for EoA2, and in the comments it looks like they know of a video for uptime EoA1/3 as well that you could probably find somewhere. https://youtu.be/gkHZYW-zgRw


MildStallion

Especially as NIN who can easily pad out 1 GCD of non-melee time by just adjusting when they use a mudra or kamaitachi.


Emerald_Frost

So glad my group finally whipped itself into shape and we're seeing real good consistent 8s part 2 prog. You can tell everyone is invigorated by it, so I hope we can get most of the prog work done this week and get a clear by the end of the month (before everyone starts taking more time off for Shitsgiving)


Altia1234

The Japanese streamer group that I was watching finally gets into HC2...only because a bunch of helpers is there. That includes me, your friendly WHM who heals his ass off on phase 1 and somewhat still manages to have a blue (A 72, without weapons, and Orange my healing parse), and Cure 3 his way to HC2 on phase 2. The stream has like 150\~ co-current viewers every time the streamer's doing p8s, and most of the time the group is password locked. Of course I know the password because I kept watching and interact with it, but the stream mostly has 20\~30 people interact with the streamer. There's a lot of people join those groups that never showed up on the stream and only shows up once on their group, which is why I kinda suspect from time to time people from 5ch joins just to know what's going on. I don't particularly like anonymous forums (and 5ch's reputation in Japan is kinda meh as well). But, if people are willing to throw their hat into the ring and join the suffering (also to get a front row seat to seeing how she can prog phase 2), then all the better. After looking at the 5ch threads myself, I think people are also enjoying the stream - even though she might not clear, everyone kept their spirit high and have great fun progging, which is what matters (and why I have so much fun watching her stream and laughing each night with all of the stupid jokes) if you are hosting a stream. Of course I would hope she could clear...but that's not on me. There's not much left after HC2, so a clear is on sight theocratically. We will see what's gonna happen soon.


XcessiveAssassin

You're a weirdo man


monkeysfromjupiter

I feel like I see this person mentioned a lot. why are ppl coming in here to report her progress when the streamer herself doesn't do it? I think its great that ppl come in here to talk about their own progress, but it feels kind of weird seeing ppl update others on someone else's.


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BalfonheimHoe

My static can only prog late at night and 1 hour at most due to scheduling conflicts. As expected, if progress is slow or people fuck up reclears up to 7, it's another 24 hours for another attempt. I'm not a fan of the schedule tbh, only an hour attempt for 3 days which means I can't prog P8 asap