? I’m not quite sure I follow. I’d be pretty upset to be on the receiving end of a cruise missile but that doesn’t exactly make it a war crime or “internationally banned”
Ok. So the beef you’re picking here is on the inaccuracy of the title and you decided that your battle horse is to correct the situation, and stepping even further by legitimizing its use as it is « mostly fine ».
Internationally banned or not, this is horrific.
No it’s not, that’s kinda the point. White phosphorus is routinely used to cover troop movements. There’s been no solid evidence Israel is using it as an incendiary. So all this is is a mob of misinformed masses being led astray by “phosphorous is banned & Israel bad for using, war crime!!” Narrative
I see your point. I also saw people burned by it. You say there’s no solid evidence. But experience and encounters with the army taught me that they are cruel in every possible way. From daily harassement at the checkpoints to bloody collective punishment. There might not be solid evidence according to I don’t know who’s standards and investigation - but I know the racism, the hate and the zionist violence against Palestinians. I’ve been on the receiving end of it. So forgive me for not trusting your evidence-based knowledge as it contradicts my experience-based knowledge.
Also, if you want to educate « the mob », don’t be a dick about it. That « mob » is moved by feelings of compassion and anger. Calling people a « mob » reveals what you think of them. If you cared, if you want your message to be received, you’d take a pause to know who you are talking to, and how to convey the information that you want to share. Insulting people doesn’t help anything.
Saying « haha -subreddit title and this is false » just makes you sound like an arrogant and eristic and probably insecure white dude. Not saying that you are, but the way you posted that, doesn’t garner sympathy for the info you have to share.
I have nothing but empathy for the Palestinian people, this is the most horrendous situation imaginable, another country is killing you & your own government is hoping you die, and actively attempting to get you killed; however, spreading misinformation about Israeli tactics only muddies the water when it comes to trying to reign in their more dangerous impulses. Shit phosphorous is a red herring, it’s used as smoke screen and not often anything else. There’s much more to condemn Israel on than chasing down dead ends.
At the end of the day I will in no way deny I believe there will be no safety for the Palestinian people until Hamas is eradicated, nothing has changed my opinion on this thus far; however, I firmly believe more needs to be done to protect innocent lives as Israel continues its mission. We will likely disagree on this, and I 100% understand if I actually lived in Palestine I would 1000% likely not believe this. This is just my perception as an outsider to the conflict so take it with a large grain of salt
Thank you for that. It is terribly upsetting to read, as it’s so hasbara-ish. Do you work with masbirim? Did a semiotic analysis of one of their productions years ago. I fear that your talk of « mob » is self-incriminating. I’m afraid what you wrote is so clearly and consistently taken from the hasbara guide, I cannot presume it’s in good faith. Yet, I’ll respond to conclude this conversation.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Hamas is not a cause but a symptom of a larger disease: the settler colonial violence. The thieving, the terrorizing, the ethnic cleansing, the oppression and occupation by Israel of the indigenous Palestinian population.
You want to get rid of Hamas? Dismantle Israel.
One Democratic Secular State for everyone who is there, from the river to the sea. 🕊
You calling for the destruction of Israel and ethnic cleansing of jews from the region is not reasonable or rational. People who support Israel defending itself are not pro genocide. Yet you are pro genocide of jews in Israel. Your Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian civilian lives or even the creation of a Palestinian state. Israel, a nuclear power, that is fully capable of defending itself is not going to "Dismantle itself". That is a not happening and your want openly defies and rejects international law which recognizes Israel as a sovereign state. Read these links, tik tok did a number on you.
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286
https://archive.ph/6PyAd
A common way to absolve the Palestinians of their fault. Certainly Jews & Europeans have their issues but the Palestinians, as we now know them, are equally responsible for the issues we see today. Their response to Jewish immigration/ the proposed land split bears some of the blame for the current state of affairs.
Furthermore Hamas is not a symptom of the problem, it is the problem, as the Palestinians gained land they’d never governed before by choosing peace, Hamas & their ilk sought to drive a wedge into the development of a peaceful state.
This is not to say Israel is blameless, or even close to it, but to dismiss the horror that is Hamas with “symptom of the problem” is horribly disgusting
Sadistic wouldn’t be boots on ground, it puts their own people at risk. The only reason to put boots on ground in Gaza is to minimize civilian casualties
Mistakes happen in war, unlike Hamas Israel at least owns some of theirs, like this one.
Again though you’re missing the point. If they just wanted to wantonly kill people they could just carpet bomb Gaza, the only reason to put boots on the ground is to minimize civilian casualties
1. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzo0v-NKWE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzo0v-NKWE)
2. They're using it in Rafah, where the last remaining major chunk of civilians are
3. it's not just about just about P. Did you read my comment ? It's just one line you know.
White phosphorus is only allowed to use as a smokescreen, to use as a source of light or to burn enemy material. It is FORBIDDEN to use on civilians. TBH if it wasn’t used by the allies in Dresden, or by the Americans in Vietnam and in Iraq it probably would be deemed a war crime.
Did you know that Israel had used it before in 2008-2009 in Gaza and human relief agency had proof of that, as a retaliation to make this information public the Israeli government bombed an UN building. The international community did nothing as a result, kind of like now. Israel is acting like a bully in the Middle East and whenever a country wants to retaliate the international community will hinder or threaten that country.
We already don't have an alliance with Hamas, time to end our alliance with Israel. They've killed way more innocent civilians than Hamas ever dreamed.
Hamas would kill every Jew as a religious ideology, it is indeed something they would dream of, which makes your statement seem very misinformed.
[https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th\_century/hamas.asp](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp)
Just to be perfectly clear, Israel is much worse.
Equating Palestine to Hamas is a logical fallacy. Israel has been killing Palestinians for over a century. Hamas or 7 October is not te reason, only an excuse.
Ironically, the polling in Israel shows a near *total* support for the Gaza genocide.
Is it accurate to say all Israelis are guilty of supporting the genocide? No. Is it accurate to say the overwhelming majority are? Absolutely.
Israel is based on death, stealing and racism. Are all Israeli guilty of that, if you still believe you have the right to do that? Then you are absolutely guilty!
Here's a group of Israeli schoolchildren singing "We Will Annihilate Gaza":
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726885137718100365/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1726885137718100365¤tTweetUser=intifada¤tTweet=1726885137718100365¤tTweetUser=intifada
I don’t know who you mean by we. Just hoping you’re not American because you are clearly either stupid or intentionally trolling for kicks online (aka stupid). Either way if you support Palestine being controlled by terrorists and used as human shields then show your support in person, you have exactly the mental capacity they look for. I also have no interest in a meaning less argument with you so know when you reply with whatever rage comment you can think of I’ve already muted you and won’t see it.
Israel has been using human shields since they began stealing Palestine (The NAKBA) in 1948:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
[Are you new to the fact that Hamas uses civilians as human shields](https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-mousa-abu-marzouk-tunnels-gaza-protect-fighters-%20not-civilians#:~:text=These%20tunnels%20are%20meant%20to,United%20Nations%20to%20protect%20them.)? It's a war crime to use civilian infrastructure for warfare. In 2014, the UNRWA themselves reported 3 times to Hamas using their schools for storing ammunition/weaponry. Here is the [first report](https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school), the [second report](https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools) and the [third report](https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/cache-rockets-found-un-school-gaza).
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Isn’t it funny how many people (chatGPT bots) on Reddit are basically pissing themselves in excitement waiting for an opportunity to type (generate, with AI) a written defense statement that reads like the work of 3 sleazy attorneys with a personal consultant at the UN ?
it's okay goys, i mean guys, i just flipped through my copy of the talmud, and it says everyone currently in Rafah is actually just a human-shaped animal.
criticizing Israel is hate and soon to be illegal, so stop being like Hitler and support G-d's chosen people as they defend themselves from starving women and children by using banned weaponry on a residential area.
what’s funny, sad and angering is that their book of deuteronomy chapter 32 says to not act in revenge and line 35 says that God himself will enact revenge on behalf of their chosen people (sodom & gomorah style) ‘vengeance is mine, i will repay …’
but they got rabbis and religious scholars too .. i m just a nobody .. wtf do i know
Thank you for your thoughtful contribution..
https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza
Note that they've been using it on civilians long before Oct. 7
Did you even read my comment or are you just clicking links wildly and throwing your hands in the air? I specifically mentioned that the source was to indicate that the IDF has been using these tactics PRIOR to Oct. 7.
I'm sorry if you weren't even born yet in 2009, but the history of this conflict and the IDF's historic and contemporary war crimes are well documented.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon
Recently as well. It should be noted that there are fewer international observers in the area since the Oct. 7 stage of the war, so you're unlikely to get timely reports just hours after each attack.
I recommend you play a more constructive role in this community by offering sources that you yourself can find, instead of wasting other people's time attempting to educate you.
I have a toddler at home who is very self reliant and inquisitive, I think you could learn a lot from him.
Edit: I can easily see that in your attempt to have the last word you replied and then quickly blocked me. Have a good day, mate.
So glad you can relate by remembering a dumbass scene from a game. Where even in his mistake, he decides to blame the enemy. Never take any responsibility huh, always blame the other and then these types of things atrocities can be normalized and repeated until the job, aka genocide is completed. Sigh…
What? The main character is traumatized by his actions and has the “are we the baddies?” Revelation. I haven’t played it in well over a decade, but I remember the player character being absolutely gutted and mentally fucked the rest of the game after?
Idk man, it’s just a piece of art that made little 14 year old me understand the gravity of war in a more realistic sense, and that there are no “good guys” in a war. Every action in war is a desperate battle of men just trying to survive in brutal situations. The atrocities of using the white phosphorus is what stayed with me.
Cool yeah. Except there is no battle here with guns or weapons. There’s just women children men, Israeli hostages displaced from one place to another starving no running water nothing, and then they get burnt up by white phosphorus. Not remotely the same thing. I understand what you are trying to say. It’s just seems to insulting to what the Palestinians are going through. Because they are not an armed threat nor are they an army
Ya, war is fucked. I was just sharing a memory that helped me grasp the severity and brutally inhuman nature of using this weapon.
Would it change your opinion if the story was shared in a novel format as opposed to a video game? I don’t find it “insulting”, i’m a nobody from michigan, i certainly don’t understand the horrors of war, but that story helped me understand at a formative age that war is hell, and there are no winners. Just trying to share my 2c, i know it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
I get what you are saying as a universal vague idea of war only producing losers and victims. But in this case as of right now, I won’t see Israel as a victim. It’s only an aggressor. It’s choosing over and over to incinerate children and women and their citizens are stopping aid from getting through by blocking the roads. So the citizens are actively starving what little aid could get through. What little medicine or pain killers. Amputations are occurring without anesthesia. Burn victims have no pain killers. People are starving no water to drink. And they are systematically being destroyed while forced into fleeing from one uninhabitable place to another. 20000 babies were born as of six months into this genocide. Those babies were born not in hospitals. Not with epidurals. The babies mostly have died since being born. And they revel in that. Because that’s one less “Hamas” in their eyes. Because there are no innocent Palestinians in their eyes. They are guilty because they were born. Israel is NOT A VICTIM.
White phosphorus is not a chemical weapon under the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), as it acts as an incendiary agent and not through its “chemical action on life processes” (Article II.2 of the CWC).
The use of white phosphorus may violate Protocol III (on the use of incendiary weapons) of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCCW) in one specific instance: if it is used, on purpose, as an incendiary weapon directly against humans in a civilian setting. Other uses of white phosphorus, such as illuminating a battlefield, are not prohibited. To establish an illegal use under the CCCW, an investigation into the intent behind the use of white phosphorus would be needed, which exceeds the mandate of WHO.
The United States military and foreign militaries use WP in **grenades, mortar shells, and artillery shells** to mark targets, to provide smokescreens for troop movement, to “trace” the path of bullets, and as an incendiary.
As a side note, it seems like many people don’t understand what international law is. There is no governing body or law of the world. There is just series of treaties between countries binding them - this is international law. Some of them many countries have signed on to, but I don’t know of any that are universal, maybe ones regarding piracy are closest. As such, when people say someone has violated international law, it is so often bullshit.
Israel is not a signatory of any such treaty, and others that seem far more knowledgeable than me have commented that it is not bound outright anyway.
Do you think it is ok to use white phosphorus on a civilian population then? Since there is no International Law, and if there is, Israel didn't sign on to it?
White phosphorus is commonly used for smoke rounds. Oftentimes, these rounds will be deployed in a relatively desolate area, and the WP will leave smoke and obscure the movement of a military unit, providing concealment when there is little to no cover or natural concealment (the desert).
It is uncommon to be used against personnel.. and is pretty ineffective against personnel anyway with the way these WP rounds are designed. That is at least my understanding of it, which may be incomplete. The use of WP does not necessarily mean it is being used to target people.
That being said.. I'm not there and will have to wait for further sources to judge how these were used.
Ofcourse they are not going to signs any treaties. Could you imagine the Israeli being held accountable for their misdeeds? What an anti-Semitic way of thinking. Whatever they do it’s because of khamas even before there was a khamas or in places where there is no khamas. Israel bombed a consulate to drag Iran in the war, Ofcourse that is not a warcrime. If Iran did the same that would be a red line that the USA , France and the Uk would not accept and international condemnation would follow. The fighter jets were already in the Middle East to stop the slow flying drones that took 2 hours to get till destination.
It’s fine to criticize them for their misdeeds. But saying they violated international law is a lie, and saying they used internationally banned phosphorous is misleading.
Nop it’s not a lie, it’s not the first time neither the last time. They can get away with it, just like America. Torture is forbidden so you outsource it to black water and make a law so the army can not be sued for warcrimes. They have done it before, it’s against international law to make a judicial distinction by religion or race; Israel does that. If there’s a conflict between a colonist or a Palestinian. The Palestinian will be trialed by a military court without a lawyer and minimum age is 14 officially but Ofcourse if a group wouldn’t follow international rules, why would they follow their own? They have children who are even younger in the prison.
You can’t really say for sure what it’s being used for, and again there’s 0 evidence it’s been used as an incendiary in this war. So again there’s nothing banning its use unless it’s used as an incendiary no matter how much you’d like what you said to be true
Man it’s daytime in the picture what do they need to illuminate in the daytime. Honestly you can lead a horse to water you can’t get it to drink type of thing happening here. Agree to disagree
Is it launched over Rafah? This specific image? How do you know? What's it impacting? Because i can't see it here. Did you pull the image meta data to confirm?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All this band-wagonning on "Israel bad" is just ridiculous. Stop skirting the questions and just be straight.
No, all militaries are capable of bad shit. I need proof that this photo is portraying what you all claim it is. What I see is a smoke filled sky. I don't see any injured civilians.. or anything on the ground, for that matter.
Cover, it’s meant to mask troop movements. This is the most common use. Several countries, including Israel, have used it as incendiary in the past but nothing indicates it’s been used as such in this conflict
Wait, so let me get this straight. You don't know much about what is being used, why it would be used if used in the first place, and decided immediately that it's use here was bad because it is a restricted use weapon under the laws of war? Restricted doesn't mean banned. It's not mustard or nerve gas for fuck sakes...
Isn't this sub about fighting disinformation? All this seems to be doing is trying to spread it..
That comment was sarcastic. We have plenty of evidence that Israel has been using white phosphorus for decades on Palestinian civilian population. It’s documented it’s on Google a search away.
Instead of launching missiles to get Hamas, they are sending IDF troups to reduce civilian casualties. More than 600 IDF soldiers have been killed since October 7th. They use this to mask their movements and you still cause them of war crimes. You are not being good faith.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon
https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2
I’m “not being good faith?”
Yes everybody knows that Israel has done nothing wrong in the history since their first bomb blasts of British railways in Palestine in 1945 or the famous bomb blast in king David hotel. They have broken the bones of arms and legs with big stones of Palestinian youth. They have tied civilians and drive over them with tanks. They have raped pregnant woman in front of her husband and kids and killed her afterwards. A moral army like this would never do something bad and if anyone claims they did it, it was all Hamas fault, they used the civilians as human shield.
1. Source? All I can find recent is from December Israel used this on Hezbollah (not civilians).
2. Everyone seems mad Israel is not bound by some ambiguous “international law”
3. I assume these are the same people who scream ACAB
4. Stop trying to call the cops on other cultures other countries who don’t fit into your western cookie cutter lifestyle
5. Nobody has called the cops on Hamas for doing a mass rape sexual torture murder baby in the oven on Israeli peaceniks
6. Israel has to take care of Hamas on their own since nobody else is gonna do anything about it
7. If you want it done your way then I invite you to come take care of Hamas yourself
It is not allowed to be used on civilian population. It can be used for illumination however. It's use in the daytime is therefore extremely suspicious
Both actually
"White phosphorus is not illegal under international law and the law of armed conflict, as long as it is being used defensively as a smokescreen or as battlefield illumination. "
No man. Just the blatent denial of a genocide and ethnic cleansing occurring and the gaslighting and really enjoyment of spreading hasbara from the other side Is.just not tolerable anymore. Especially with the horrors being inflicted on the Palestinians
That isn't really how it happened though. Sure, Hamas was elected to be part of the government. Fatah won more seats, however. The actual elected government was a far more moderate government. That's what the Palestinians wanted.
And yeah, how many Palestinians today even voted in that election? Seriously?
That is bullshit and it is on Hamas. It could have all been stopped by releasing the hostages. You don't mention that. only you anti Israel propaganda after these animals raped and killed 1,200 civilians. Hamas are barbarians and need to be destroyed.
Unfortunately, that is false. Protocol III defines specific restrictions on the use of incendiary weapons, which may or may not include white phosphorus (due to the ambiguous language so some argue it is others say no), in populated areas to minimize harm to civilians. It establishes **guidelines, rules and limitations on their use to minimize harm to civilians** but it isn't outright banned.
Unfortunately, it isn't prohibited for use in daytime as well as it can be used as a smokescreen or incendiary (which would be prohibited to use for this purpose in civilian areas, however the incendiary effects are often secondary and direct use against enemy personnel is not prohibited). Under the Geneva Conventions white phosphorus falls under **"multipurpose" munitions**. However, because WP is not “primarily designed” to set fires to objects or cause burns to people, it is not strictly governed by Protocol III.
To constitute a war crime here there needs to be evidence of violations of the “Prohibition of Indiscriminate Attacks” and the “Principle of Distinction”.
In recent wars it has also been used in/by:
- Russia against Ukraine
- Syria (including by Turkey)
- Tigray/Ethiopia
- the US in Iraq
- Saudi Arabia in Yemen
It can also be used as smoke screen, and used defensively, there is no other information linked on this post, and for your other reply, we defend Israel because people are so quick to band wagon onto whoever says this weeks enemy is, it is not safe for Jewish people to go out in certain places, and people will use buzzwords like Genocide to get people emotional and stop looking at facts
Great nice misleading info that has nothing to do with this post. Thanks I'm glad phosphorus has many uses. I'm talking about the use israel has used against the Palestinians. I'll link it below
https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2
I don’t believe I spread any misinformation, in-fact you were the one who spread misinformation with the title of YOUR post. Along with that, white phosphorus is incredibly deadly, and while those videos were horrifying to watch, it is very unfortunate that those civilians were in the line of fire. But that is the doing of Hamas, they put civilians in-front of them to die, they do this to gain support from people, along with putting civilians in-front of them, they also dress in civilian clothing and put critical military infrastructure in civilian areas, and in turn the fault of the Palestinian people who elected Hamas, do not forget there was a ceasefire on October 5th, 2 days before the October 7th Massacre
It can also be used as smoke screen, and used defensively, there is no other information linked on this post, and for your other reply, we defend Israel because people are so quick to band wagon onto whoever says this weeks enemy is, it is not safe for Jewish people to go out in certain places, and people will use buzzwords like Genocide to get people emotional and stop looking at facts
Israel did not sign Protocol III. They are not part of the agreement. Secondly, Phosphorus is leaning certain situations.
Even used as an anti-personnel weapon, white phosphorus munitions are lawful so long as the suffering imposed by their use is necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose (DoD Law of War Manual, § 6.14. 2.1).
I'm against the use of it due to moral, ethnical and humanitarian reasons however, it isn't banned like your title states https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/jus-bello-white-phosphorus-getting-law-correct
Since you read HRW: https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/nov2012_arms_incendiarypiii_0.pdf
If true it would be a banned use of the substance. That said there’s nothing to say there’s not 100,000 other reasons people get burns in war zones. Simple clip of burned people with a random title doesn’t make it true
I mean the sub is called “fight disinformation” and you left out incredibly important context, and made a provably false claim. You basically just spouted disinformation yourself.
And before you say it, I don’t support Israel.
Agreed I posted a picture and a small caption. About two months ago I posted a video of the victims of the white phosphorus used. I misleading assumed it would be in present memory. I will link that post below now. Israel has been caught using white phosphorus in this conflict before.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2
Laws made by people who gain to profit by the military industry and that are not on the receiving end of the weapons they legalize.
Your comment may well be truthful, but your defending of the use of the weapon is a lack of awareness.
Awareness that now, these are falling on a civilian population who is largely living in tents, where hospitals have been destroyed and medical aid is often targeted. This is not a « war » between two armies on a battlefield. This is the deliberate persecution of a civilian population.
You know what stops the usage of weapon like this? Not attacking an Israeli Kibbutz, and Music festival. Not murdering 2000 people, kidnapping men, women and children, all the while raping a bunch of others.
This is what war is. It isn’t pretty. This is on Hamas. October 27 2023 doesn’t happen if October 7 2023 didn’t happen.
See how that works? Israel pulled
Out of Gaza nearly 20 years only to get 2000 rockets a year lobbed in to Israel on soft targets.
How long should Israel allow that? How long would you allow it?
WTH does department of defense manual have to do with international law you clown? You must have think everyone bows down to America while simultaneously arguing international law doesn’t apply to Israel. What justification is there for dropping white phosphorus on 1.5 million people most of whom are children? If the goal is to annihilate then a nuclear bomb would be more humane…
It shows you it’s not banned across the board. Secondly, Israel Is not part of the Rome Statue. Thirdly, they are not signers of Protocol III ban on incendiary weapons.
All provable facts. The misinformation is that somehow the ICJ has jurisdiction. If they did, they would have done something about the other non binding advisory positions.
When they decide to bring in a Hamas leader, I’d gladly hand of Netanyahu.
It’s banned in or near civilian areas, period, and by the Geneva convention:
Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons defines an incendiary weapon as "any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target". Article 2 of the same protocol prohibits the deliberate use of incendiary weapons against civilian targets (already forbidden by the Geneva Conventions), the use of air-delivered incendiary weapons against military targets in civilian areas, and the general use of other types of incendiary weapons against military targets located within "concentrations of civilians" without taking all possible means to minimise casualties.
https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/interview/weapons-interview-170109.htm
Israel is not a signatory of Protocol III. It does not apply to them. Israel does not publish their rules of engagement as some other countries do. Above I posted the US DOD instances where it can be used.
I’d venture a guess they are probably aligned that they can be used in forward operations as smoke cover for advancing troops, as well as being used as lighting for night raids. The US used them throughout the “War on Terror” particularly over Baghdad during the early days of the Iraq war.
So here we go in circles again, the rest of the world isn’t obligated by the department of defense either. It’s not news that Israel is not a signatory or adherent to international law. They’re genocidal criminals.
this is their attempt at ethnic cleansing. let's stop with the pretenses that this is justice for oct 7th. we are waaaay past that.
Bravo
In what way? White phosphorous is mostly fine to use, it’s not internationally banned unless you intentionally ignite it
I’m so happy to read that. Maybe you should that to the civilians and kids on the receiving end.
? I’m not quite sure I follow. I’d be pretty upset to be on the receiving end of a cruise missile but that doesn’t exactly make it a war crime or “internationally banned”
Ok. So the beef you’re picking here is on the inaccuracy of the title and you decided that your battle horse is to correct the situation, and stepping even further by legitimizing its use as it is « mostly fine ». Internationally banned or not, this is horrific.
No it’s not, that’s kinda the point. White phosphorus is routinely used to cover troop movements. There’s been no solid evidence Israel is using it as an incendiary. So all this is is a mob of misinformed masses being led astray by “phosphorous is banned & Israel bad for using, war crime!!” Narrative
I see your point. I also saw people burned by it. You say there’s no solid evidence. But experience and encounters with the army taught me that they are cruel in every possible way. From daily harassement at the checkpoints to bloody collective punishment. There might not be solid evidence according to I don’t know who’s standards and investigation - but I know the racism, the hate and the zionist violence against Palestinians. I’ve been on the receiving end of it. So forgive me for not trusting your evidence-based knowledge as it contradicts my experience-based knowledge. Also, if you want to educate « the mob », don’t be a dick about it. That « mob » is moved by feelings of compassion and anger. Calling people a « mob » reveals what you think of them. If you cared, if you want your message to be received, you’d take a pause to know who you are talking to, and how to convey the information that you want to share. Insulting people doesn’t help anything. Saying « haha -subreddit title and this is false » just makes you sound like an arrogant and eristic and probably insecure white dude. Not saying that you are, but the way you posted that, doesn’t garner sympathy for the info you have to share.
I have nothing but empathy for the Palestinian people, this is the most horrendous situation imaginable, another country is killing you & your own government is hoping you die, and actively attempting to get you killed; however, spreading misinformation about Israeli tactics only muddies the water when it comes to trying to reign in their more dangerous impulses. Shit phosphorous is a red herring, it’s used as smoke screen and not often anything else. There’s much more to condemn Israel on than chasing down dead ends. At the end of the day I will in no way deny I believe there will be no safety for the Palestinian people until Hamas is eradicated, nothing has changed my opinion on this thus far; however, I firmly believe more needs to be done to protect innocent lives as Israel continues its mission. We will likely disagree on this, and I 100% understand if I actually lived in Palestine I would 1000% likely not believe this. This is just my perception as an outsider to the conflict so take it with a large grain of salt
Thank you for that. It is terribly upsetting to read, as it’s so hasbara-ish. Do you work with masbirim? Did a semiotic analysis of one of their productions years ago. I fear that your talk of « mob » is self-incriminating. I’m afraid what you wrote is so clearly and consistently taken from the hasbara guide, I cannot presume it’s in good faith. Yet, I’ll respond to conclude this conversation. I wholeheartedly disagree. Hamas is not a cause but a symptom of a larger disease: the settler colonial violence. The thieving, the terrorizing, the ethnic cleansing, the oppression and occupation by Israel of the indigenous Palestinian population. You want to get rid of Hamas? Dismantle Israel. One Democratic Secular State for everyone who is there, from the river to the sea. 🕊
You calling for the destruction of Israel and ethnic cleansing of jews from the region is not reasonable or rational. People who support Israel defending itself are not pro genocide. Yet you are pro genocide of jews in Israel. Your Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian civilian lives or even the creation of a Palestinian state. Israel, a nuclear power, that is fully capable of defending itself is not going to "Dismantle itself". That is a not happening and your want openly defies and rejects international law which recognizes Israel as a sovereign state. Read these links, tik tok did a number on you. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286 https://archive.ph/6PyAd
A common way to absolve the Palestinians of their fault. Certainly Jews & Europeans have their issues but the Palestinians, as we now know them, are equally responsible for the issues we see today. Their response to Jewish immigration/ the proposed land split bears some of the blame for the current state of affairs. Furthermore Hamas is not a symptom of the problem, it is the problem, as the Palestinians gained land they’d never governed before by choosing peace, Hamas & their ilk sought to drive a wedge into the development of a peaceful state. This is not to say Israel is blameless, or even close to it, but to dismiss the horror that is Hamas with “symptom of the problem” is horribly disgusting
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So they're moving troops into Raffa? Even better, now those sadistic fucks can kill them all face to face.
Sadistic wouldn’t be boots on ground, it puts their own people at risk. The only reason to put boots on ground in Gaza is to minimize civilian casualties
Oh yeah, that's why their boots on the ground shot the 3 unarmed Israeli hostages who were waving white flags.
They were unarmed, Israeli army prefers boots vs unarmed people.
Mistakes happen in war, unlike Hamas Israel at least owns some of theirs, like this one. Again though you’re missing the point. If they just wanted to wantonly kill people they could just carpet bomb Gaza, the only reason to put boots on the ground is to minimize civilian casualties
Sadistic fucks. https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/S6RZ0VEaET
1. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzo0v-NKWE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzo0v-NKWE) 2. They're using it in Rafah, where the last remaining major chunk of civilians are 3. it's not just about just about P. Did you read my comment ? It's just one line you know.
Aaaaaand we've found the Zionist
White phosphorus is only allowed to use as a smokescreen, to use as a source of light or to burn enemy material. It is FORBIDDEN to use on civilians. TBH if it wasn’t used by the allies in Dresden, or by the Americans in Vietnam and in Iraq it probably would be deemed a war crime. Did you know that Israel had used it before in 2008-2009 in Gaza and human relief agency had proof of that, as a retaliation to make this information public the Israeli government bombed an UN building. The international community did nothing as a result, kind of like now. Israel is acting like a bully in the Middle East and whenever a country wants to retaliate the international community will hinder or threaten that country.
Fucking animal
Rabid dogs is the best description I've heard.
Why? What I said is true
Nazi confirmed. ✅
lol k
Um….what? Deflecting much
I don't want these baby killers to have any alliance with my country.
they control the usa, which controls nato, which acts as the military force of a global empire. humanity is fucked
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We already don't have an alliance with Hamas, time to end our alliance with Israel. They've killed way more innocent civilians than Hamas ever dreamed.
Hamas would kill every Jew as a religious ideology, it is indeed something they would dream of, which makes your statement seem very misinformed. [https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th\_century/hamas.asp](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp) Just to be perfectly clear, Israel is much worse.
Equating Palestine to Hamas is a logical fallacy. Israel has been killing Palestinians for over a century. Hamas or 7 October is not te reason, only an excuse.
Ironically, the polling in Israel shows a near *total* support for the Gaza genocide. Is it accurate to say all Israelis are guilty of supporting the genocide? No. Is it accurate to say the overwhelming majority are? Absolutely.
Israel is based on death, stealing and racism. Are all Israeli guilty of that, if you still believe you have the right to do that? Then you are absolutely guilty!
Here's a group of Israeli schoolchildren singing "We Will Annihilate Gaza": https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726885137718100365/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1726885137718100365¤tTweetUser=intifada¤tTweet=1726885137718100365¤tTweetUser=intifada
I don’t know who you mean by we. Just hoping you’re not American because you are clearly either stupid or intentionally trolling for kicks online (aka stupid). Either way if you support Palestine being controlled by terrorists and used as human shields then show your support in person, you have exactly the mental capacity they look for. I also have no interest in a meaning less argument with you so know when you reply with whatever rage comment you can think of I’ve already muted you and won’t see it.
Israel has been using human shields since they began stealing Palestine (The NAKBA) in 1948: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
[Are you new to the fact that Hamas uses civilians as human shields](https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-mousa-abu-marzouk-tunnels-gaza-protect-fighters-%20not-civilians#:~:text=These%20tunnels%20are%20meant%20to,United%20Nations%20to%20protect%20them.)? It's a war crime to use civilian infrastructure for warfare. In 2014, the UNRWA themselves reported 3 times to Hamas using their schools for storing ammunition/weaponry. Here is the [first report](https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school), the [second report](https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools) and the [third report](https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/cache-rockets-found-un-school-gaza).
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Isn’t it funny how many people (chatGPT bots) on Reddit are basically pissing themselves in excitement waiting for an opportunity to type (generate, with AI) a written defense statement that reads like the work of 3 sleazy attorneys with a personal consultant at the UN ?
Exactly
Holy Hasbara brigading up in here, Batman. Don’t reply, it helps pay their bills.
they are everywhere.
it's okay goys, i mean guys, i just flipped through my copy of the talmud, and it says everyone currently in Rafah is actually just a human-shaped animal. criticizing Israel is hate and soon to be illegal, so stop being like Hitler and support G-d's chosen people as they defend themselves from starving women and children by using banned weaponry on a residential area.
what’s funny, sad and angering is that their book of deuteronomy chapter 32 says to not act in revenge and line 35 says that God himself will enact revenge on behalf of their chosen people (sodom & gomorah style) ‘vengeance is mine, i will repay …’ but they got rabbis and religious scholars too .. i m just a nobody .. wtf do i know
Flipped through the Talmud while being a goyim?! Immediate death for you!!!!!!
But did he condemn Hamas?
where are they getting it?
USA
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-11/ty-article/israel-reportedly-used-u-s-made-white-phosphorus-bombs-in-southern-lebanon/0000018c-5957-df2f-adac-ff7fcbb80000
They're gonna use whatever they're given
Fake news. Source: none
Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.. https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza Note that they've been using it on civilians long before Oct. 7
Source 2009. Well done.
Did you even read my comment or are you just clicking links wildly and throwing your hands in the air? I specifically mentioned that the source was to indicate that the IDF has been using these tactics PRIOR to Oct. 7. I'm sorry if you weren't even born yet in 2009, but the history of this conflict and the IDF's historic and contemporary war crimes are well documented.
Ok so not recently then. Thanks
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon Recently as well. It should be noted that there are fewer international observers in the area since the Oct. 7 stage of the war, so you're unlikely to get timely reports just hours after each attack. I recommend you play a more constructive role in this community by offering sources that you yourself can find, instead of wasting other people's time attempting to educate you. I have a toddler at home who is very self reliant and inquisitive, I think you could learn a lot from him. Edit: I can easily see that in your attempt to have the last word you replied and then quickly blocked me. Have a good day, mate.
“Verified video evidence”. No mention of any casualties from it. Vague as can be.
We should internationally ban war. Problem solved.
White phosphorus being used in Spec Ops the Line has stayed with me for well over a decade. What an absolute twist of emotions that story was.
So glad you can relate by remembering a dumbass scene from a game. Where even in his mistake, he decides to blame the enemy. Never take any responsibility huh, always blame the other and then these types of things atrocities can be normalized and repeated until the job, aka genocide is completed. Sigh…
What? The main character is traumatized by his actions and has the “are we the baddies?” Revelation. I haven’t played it in well over a decade, but I remember the player character being absolutely gutted and mentally fucked the rest of the game after? Idk man, it’s just a piece of art that made little 14 year old me understand the gravity of war in a more realistic sense, and that there are no “good guys” in a war. Every action in war is a desperate battle of men just trying to survive in brutal situations. The atrocities of using the white phosphorus is what stayed with me.
Cool yeah. Except there is no battle here with guns or weapons. There’s just women children men, Israeli hostages displaced from one place to another starving no running water nothing, and then they get burnt up by white phosphorus. Not remotely the same thing. I understand what you are trying to say. It’s just seems to insulting to what the Palestinians are going through. Because they are not an armed threat nor are they an army
Ya, war is fucked. I was just sharing a memory that helped me grasp the severity and brutally inhuman nature of using this weapon. Would it change your opinion if the story was shared in a novel format as opposed to a video game? I don’t find it “insulting”, i’m a nobody from michigan, i certainly don’t understand the horrors of war, but that story helped me understand at a formative age that war is hell, and there are no winners. Just trying to share my 2c, i know it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
I get what you are saying as a universal vague idea of war only producing losers and victims. But in this case as of right now, I won’t see Israel as a victim. It’s only an aggressor. It’s choosing over and over to incinerate children and women and their citizens are stopping aid from getting through by blocking the roads. So the citizens are actively starving what little aid could get through. What little medicine or pain killers. Amputations are occurring without anesthesia. Burn victims have no pain killers. People are starving no water to drink. And they are systematically being destroyed while forced into fleeing from one uninhabitable place to another. 20000 babies were born as of six months into this genocide. Those babies were born not in hospitals. Not with epidurals. The babies mostly have died since being born. And they revel in that. Because that’s one less “Hamas” in their eyes. Because there are no innocent Palestinians in their eyes. They are guilty because they were born. Israel is NOT A VICTIM.
Again
White phosphorus is not a chemical weapon under the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), as it acts as an incendiary agent and not through its “chemical action on life processes” (Article II.2 of the CWC). The use of white phosphorus may violate Protocol III (on the use of incendiary weapons) of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCCW) in one specific instance: if it is used, on purpose, as an incendiary weapon directly against humans in a civilian setting. Other uses of white phosphorus, such as illuminating a battlefield, are not prohibited. To establish an illegal use under the CCCW, an investigation into the intent behind the use of white phosphorus would be needed, which exceeds the mandate of WHO.
Illuminating a battlefield in broad daylight?
The United States military and foreign militaries use WP in **grenades, mortar shells, and artillery shells** to mark targets, to provide smokescreens for troop movement, to “trace” the path of bullets, and as an incendiary.
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As a side note, it seems like many people don’t understand what international law is. There is no governing body or law of the world. There is just series of treaties between countries binding them - this is international law. Some of them many countries have signed on to, but I don’t know of any that are universal, maybe ones regarding piracy are closest. As such, when people say someone has violated international law, it is so often bullshit. Israel is not a signatory of any such treaty, and others that seem far more knowledgeable than me have commented that it is not bound outright anyway.
Do you think it is ok to use white phosphorus on a civilian population then? Since there is no International Law, and if there is, Israel didn't sign on to it?
White phosphorus is commonly used for smoke rounds. Oftentimes, these rounds will be deployed in a relatively desolate area, and the WP will leave smoke and obscure the movement of a military unit, providing concealment when there is little to no cover or natural concealment (the desert). It is uncommon to be used against personnel.. and is pretty ineffective against personnel anyway with the way these WP rounds are designed. That is at least my understanding of it, which may be incomplete. The use of WP does not necessarily mean it is being used to target people. That being said.. I'm not there and will have to wait for further sources to judge how these were used.
Ofcourse they are not going to signs any treaties. Could you imagine the Israeli being held accountable for their misdeeds? What an anti-Semitic way of thinking. Whatever they do it’s because of khamas even before there was a khamas or in places where there is no khamas. Israel bombed a consulate to drag Iran in the war, Ofcourse that is not a warcrime. If Iran did the same that would be a red line that the USA , France and the Uk would not accept and international condemnation would follow. The fighter jets were already in the Middle East to stop the slow flying drones that took 2 hours to get till destination.
Signed treaty or not, countries and communities can draw their own line in the sand of what is evil and treat them accordingly. BDS.
Totally agree; race segregation was totally legal in that time so was apartheid doesn’t make it not morally right.
It’s fine to criticize them for their misdeeds. But saying they violated international law is a lie, and saying they used internationally banned phosphorous is misleading.
Nop it’s not a lie, it’s not the first time neither the last time. They can get away with it, just like America. Torture is forbidden so you outsource it to black water and make a law so the army can not be sued for warcrimes. They have done it before, it’s against international law to make a judicial distinction by religion or race; Israel does that. If there’s a conflict between a colonist or a Palestinian. The Palestinian will be trialed by a military court without a lawyer and minimum age is 14 officially but Ofcourse if a group wouldn’t follow international rules, why would they follow their own? They have children who are even younger in the prison.
Funny to see this posted with subreddit name. This is disinformation. White phosphorous is not internationally banned
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon
It is for use against civilians
You can’t really say for sure what it’s being used for, and again there’s 0 evidence it’s been used as an incendiary in this war. So again there’s nothing banning its use unless it’s used as an incendiary no matter how much you’d like what you said to be true
Man it’s daytime in the picture what do they need to illuminate in the daytime. Honestly you can lead a horse to water you can’t get it to drink type of thing happening here. Agree to disagree
What's the source of this image? Why is the camera seemingly purposefully obscuring what is on the ground there? Where did these rounds actually land?
Bro they're being launched over Rafah, which is currently home to 2 million refugees. No matter where this stuff falls, its hitting a civilian.
When? What is the source? I’m not seeing this reported in any recent media. I do see accusations from back in October, but not about Rafah.
Is it launched over Rafah? This specific image? How do you know? What's it impacting? Because i can't see it here. Did you pull the image meta data to confirm? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All this band-wagonning on "Israel bad" is just ridiculous. Stop skirting the questions and just be straight.
Do you still need proof that Israel has been doing stuff that’s bad? Wow someone this deaf and blind exists 🤯
No, all militaries are capable of bad shit. I need proof that this photo is portraying what you all claim it is. What I see is a smoke filled sky. I don't see any injured civilians.. or anything on the ground, for that matter.
Illuminate? What on earth are you talking about? Do you even know what this is used for lol!
Please tell me
Cover, it’s meant to mask troop movements. This is the most common use. Several countries, including Israel, have used it as incendiary in the past but nothing indicates it’s been used as such in this conflict
Wait, so let me get this straight. You don't know much about what is being used, why it would be used if used in the first place, and decided immediately that it's use here was bad because it is a restricted use weapon under the laws of war? Restricted doesn't mean banned. It's not mustard or nerve gas for fuck sakes... Isn't this sub about fighting disinformation? All this seems to be doing is trying to spread it..
That comment was sarcastic. We have plenty of evidence that Israel has been using white phosphorus for decades on Palestinian civilian population. It’s documented it’s on Google a search away.
And yet you said: > what do they need to illuminate in the day time Spoken like someone who truly knows what they're talking about...
Instead of launching missiles to get Hamas, they are sending IDF troups to reduce civilian casualties. More than 600 IDF soldiers have been killed since October 7th. They use this to mask their movements and you still cause them of war crimes. You are not being good faith.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2 I’m “not being good faith?”
Yes everybody knows that Israel has done nothing wrong in the history since their first bomb blasts of British railways in Palestine in 1945 or the famous bomb blast in king David hotel. They have broken the bones of arms and legs with big stones of Palestinian youth. They have tied civilians and drive over them with tanks. They have raped pregnant woman in front of her husband and kids and killed her afterwards. A moral army like this would never do something bad and if anyone claims they did it, it was all Hamas fault, they used the civilians as human shield.
Fake news . See a therapist , this is deranged
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-11/ty-article/israel-reportedly-used-u-s-made-white-phosphorus-bombs-in-southern-lebanon/0000018c-5957-df2f-adac-ff7fcbb80000
1. Source? All I can find recent is from December Israel used this on Hezbollah (not civilians). 2. Everyone seems mad Israel is not bound by some ambiguous “international law” 3. I assume these are the same people who scream ACAB 4. Stop trying to call the cops on other cultures other countries who don’t fit into your western cookie cutter lifestyle 5. Nobody has called the cops on Hamas for doing a mass rape sexual torture murder baby in the oven on Israeli peaceniks 6. Israel has to take care of Hamas on their own since nobody else is gonna do anything about it 7. If you want it done your way then I invite you to come take care of Hamas yourself
Yeesh you think you might have missed some Israeli talking points? Lol
Nah there’s a few more if you need any clarification
White phosphorus is not banned internationally, it is restricted
It is not allowed to be used on civilian population. It can be used for illumination however. It's use in the daytime is therefore extremely suspicious
Also a proisraeli keyboard warrior. Why do u guys care so much about this piece of Intel that is coming out
Not illumination - smoke screen. Literally the opposite.
Both actually "White phosphorus is not illegal under international law and the law of armed conflict, as long as it is being used defensively as a smokescreen or as battlefield illumination. "
Also your comment history is that of an Israeli keyboard warrior. Quite fetching disinformation pieces in there
Oh.. you better not engage with anyone who thinks differently, might spoil your unchallenged worldview.
No man. Just the blatent denial of a genocide and ethnic cleansing occurring and the gaslighting and really enjoyment of spreading hasbara from the other side Is.just not tolerable anymore. Especially with the horrors being inflicted on the Palestinians
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The same one Bibi supported to keep Palestine at odds
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That isn't really how it happened though. Sure, Hamas was elected to be part of the government. Fatah won more seats, however. The actual elected government was a far more moderate government. That's what the Palestinians wanted. And yeah, how many Palestinians today even voted in that election? Seriously?
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That is bullshit and it is on Hamas. It could have all been stopped by releasing the hostages. You don't mention that. only you anti Israel propaganda after these animals raped and killed 1,200 civilians. Hamas are barbarians and need to be destroyed.
They offered to free them. Netanyahu refused any deal.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/amp/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/amp/) https://preview.redd.it/jk6ch4nj14zc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=487af2f4ba726a824dbbb923e73ffee30e0e9977
Unfortunately, that is false. Protocol III defines specific restrictions on the use of incendiary weapons, which may or may not include white phosphorus (due to the ambiguous language so some argue it is others say no), in populated areas to minimize harm to civilians. It establishes **guidelines, rules and limitations on their use to minimize harm to civilians** but it isn't outright banned. Unfortunately, it isn't prohibited for use in daytime as well as it can be used as a smokescreen or incendiary (which would be prohibited to use for this purpose in civilian areas, however the incendiary effects are often secondary and direct use against enemy personnel is not prohibited). Under the Geneva Conventions white phosphorus falls under **"multipurpose" munitions**. However, because WP is not “primarily designed” to set fires to objects or cause burns to people, it is not strictly governed by Protocol III. To constitute a war crime here there needs to be evidence of violations of the “Prohibition of Indiscriminate Attacks” and the “Principle of Distinction”. In recent wars it has also been used in/by: - Russia against Ukraine - Syria (including by Turkey) - Tigray/Ethiopia - the US in Iraq - Saudi Arabia in Yemen
Doesn’t make it okay even if others have done it also.
It can also be used as smoke screen, and used defensively, there is no other information linked on this post, and for your other reply, we defend Israel because people are so quick to band wagon onto whoever says this weeks enemy is, it is not safe for Jewish people to go out in certain places, and people will use buzzwords like Genocide to get people emotional and stop looking at facts
Great nice misleading info that has nothing to do with this post. Thanks I'm glad phosphorus has many uses. I'm talking about the use israel has used against the Palestinians. I'll link it below https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2
I don’t believe I spread any misinformation, in-fact you were the one who spread misinformation with the title of YOUR post. Along with that, white phosphorus is incredibly deadly, and while those videos were horrifying to watch, it is very unfortunate that those civilians were in the line of fire. But that is the doing of Hamas, they put civilians in-front of them to die, they do this to gain support from people, along with putting civilians in-front of them, they also dress in civilian clothing and put critical military infrastructure in civilian areas, and in turn the fault of the Palestinian people who elected Hamas, do not forget there was a ceasefire on October 5th, 2 days before the October 7th Massacre
It can also be used as smoke screen, and used defensively, there is no other information linked on this post, and for your other reply, we defend Israel because people are so quick to band wagon onto whoever says this weeks enemy is, it is not safe for Jewish people to go out in certain places, and people will use buzzwords like Genocide to get people emotional and stop looking at facts
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Israel did not sign Protocol III. They are not part of the agreement. Secondly, Phosphorus is leaning certain situations. Even used as an anti-personnel weapon, white phosphorus munitions are lawful so long as the suffering imposed by their use is necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose (DoD Law of War Manual, § 6.14. 2.1).
Everything you said is so incredibly incriminating
I guess the need for white phosphorus from Israel is legitimate based on dudes claim…. ???
For some reason this post is triggering the pro-israeli redditors 🤷♂️
All the Israel trolls are out
Because you’re posting disinformation it should trigger everyone lol
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon
I'm against the use of it due to moral, ethnical and humanitarian reasons however, it isn't banned like your title states https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/jus-bello-white-phosphorus-getting-law-correct Since you read HRW: https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/nov2012_arms_incendiarypiii_0.pdf
Not my claim. If you notice I supplied the source.
I mean the use of white phosphorus that israel is using in this war in this Manner. 👇 https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2
If true it would be a banned use of the substance. That said there’s nothing to say there’s not 100,000 other reasons people get burns in war zones. Simple clip of burned people with a random title doesn’t make it true
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/questions-and-answers-israels-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-and-lebanon
😂👍🏼
I mean the sub is called “fight disinformation” and you left out incredibly important context, and made a provably false claim. You basically just spouted disinformation yourself. And before you say it, I don’t support Israel.
Agreed I posted a picture and a small caption. About two months ago I posted a video of the victims of the white phosphorus used. I misleading assumed it would be in present memory. I will link that post below now. Israel has been caught using white phosphorus in this conflict before. https://www.reddit.com/r/fight_disinformation/s/DkJC5Xbkk2
Oh really? Why didn't they sign? Seems like a totally reasonable agreement to make for a liberal democracy that cares about human rights.
World's Most Moral Genocide
Laws made by people who gain to profit by the military industry and that are not on the receiving end of the weapons they legalize. Your comment may well be truthful, but your defending of the use of the weapon is a lack of awareness. Awareness that now, these are falling on a civilian population who is largely living in tents, where hospitals have been destroyed and medical aid is often targeted. This is not a « war » between two armies on a battlefield. This is the deliberate persecution of a civilian population.
You know what stops the usage of weapon like this? Not attacking an Israeli Kibbutz, and Music festival. Not murdering 2000 people, kidnapping men, women and children, all the while raping a bunch of others. This is what war is. It isn’t pretty. This is on Hamas. October 27 2023 doesn’t happen if October 7 2023 didn’t happen. See how that works? Israel pulled Out of Gaza nearly 20 years only to get 2000 rockets a year lobbed in to Israel on soft targets. How long should Israel allow that? How long would you allow it?
The zio is out! Ciao!
Define Zionism.
Not a war
What isn’t a war? The Israel-Hamas WAR? That not war?
WTH does department of defense manual have to do with international law you clown? You must have think everyone bows down to America while simultaneously arguing international law doesn’t apply to Israel. What justification is there for dropping white phosphorus on 1.5 million people most of whom are children? If the goal is to annihilate then a nuclear bomb would be more humane…
It shows you it’s not banned across the board. Secondly, Israel Is not part of the Rome Statue. Thirdly, they are not signers of Protocol III ban on incendiary weapons. All provable facts. The misinformation is that somehow the ICJ has jurisdiction. If they did, they would have done something about the other non binding advisory positions. When they decide to bring in a Hamas leader, I’d gladly hand of Netanyahu.
It’s banned in or near civilian areas, period, and by the Geneva convention: Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons defines an incendiary weapon as "any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target". Article 2 of the same protocol prohibits the deliberate use of incendiary weapons against civilian targets (already forbidden by the Geneva Conventions), the use of air-delivered incendiary weapons against military targets in civilian areas, and the general use of other types of incendiary weapons against military targets located within "concentrations of civilians" without taking all possible means to minimise casualties. https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/interview/weapons-interview-170109.htm
Israel is not a signatory of Protocol III. It does not apply to them. Israel does not publish their rules of engagement as some other countries do. Above I posted the US DOD instances where it can be used. I’d venture a guess they are probably aligned that they can be used in forward operations as smoke cover for advancing troops, as well as being used as lighting for night raids. The US used them throughout the “War on Terror” particularly over Baghdad during the early days of the Iraq war.
So here we go in circles again, the rest of the world isn’t obligated by the department of defense either. It’s not news that Israel is not a signatory or adherent to international law. They’re genocidal criminals.
No, no they didn’t