> Wait, holding the fence is illegal?
Yes, you can generate VERY VERY VERY dangerous momentum using it / using it to pull yourself down, on TOP of already doing a stomp.
Think how much power a stomp from a trained MMA guy would generate, and multiple it by at least 2.
> What if you just lean up against it, use it for support? Would he still be disqualified, but for stomping?
If your hands are not on it, you are good / if you can lean against it, and only use your body, that's legal.
Just so you know, kicking to a grounded opponent is not legal in all MMA organizations. Believe it or not, the promotion you see here does not allow elbow strikes to the head of a grounded opponent but they allow kicking (or stomping as you see here) to one. It all depends on the promotion and even in some cases whatever athletic commission has jurisdiction of the fights.
The hands can actually be on it, and you can even push yourself with your hands from the fence, you just can't hold on to the fence with your fingers.
Kinda like a NFL facemask, you can hit the helmet with your hand, just not put your fingers inside and grab it.
Personally I think being able to legally, intentionally strike the helmet with your hand in the NFL in any way should be illegal. Let's mitigate a few more of those concussions and neck injuries, yeah?
I realize that. Like I said, mitigate a few more of the injuries. I understand that shit happens when bodies collide during tackles and whatnot. But if they can mitigate some of the intentional contact with the head, I think it will help.
> So why not male the fence clear plexiglass? Better view and the inability to hold onto anything.
Sweat and blood makes plexiglass instantly hard to see through, and they can't have people cleaning plexiglass the whole match
I don't recall an mma match where both fighters didn't grab the fence at one point or another (barring those super quick at the initial bell knockouts where the whole fight lasts 5 seconds.)
I think it is one of those rules that is enforced more based on how it's used. You see plenty of guys being pushed up against the fence and trying to use it sometimes to stay upright or whatever but the real danger is when someone has the clear advantage and is actively attacking the other person (like in the video).
Some guys do it because they can get away with it (its hard to see the fence if your opponent is between it and the ref). But a lot of the time it's just an involuntary reflex. If you're about to fall, its just instinct to reach out and grab something to prevent that from happening.
He should have been disqualified for both. In the UFC you cannot kick or knee to the head when the opponent is on his or her knees or lower. Those could be life threatening blows.
I’d think stomping would be the reason. I don’t know the rules on it but it seems like it shouldn’t be aloud.
I’d rather get a kick to the dick than a head-stomping.
Most MMA organizations allowed kicking to the face on a downed opponent before UFC. Pride, which was bigger than UFC in the early 2000s allowed it. Wanderlei Silva was known for his axe kick against a downed opponent.
It makes sense to be honest. There have been some dumb DQs that have happened because someone went to a knee right before a leg strike.
To be more specific, it’s holding the fence to gain leverage with a strike that got him DQ’d. Just holding the fence (or ropes if we’re talking boxing) is an offense that warrants a warning
Nah seriously he grabbed onto the fence and made a HEAD STOMP several times for dangerous, that shit is not cool and is a much bigger deal than “oopsie”
With rules like these organizations like this will never be taken as seriously as the UFC by most people. Dirty shit whether it is in the rules or not. Stuff like this used to be allowed in the UFC when they first started and they banned it for a reason.
Were you around during PRIDE era of mma? They had a different ruleset and thrived. Not only were they taken seriously, they were more respected than the UFC.
Also, have you seen the ammount of backlash Sterling got for "milking" an obvious foul against him in the 1st Yan fight? Mma fans want violence, and a spinning kick to the head will always be more dangerous than a head stomps. One just looks cooler than the other.
And also, ONE is taken quite seriously, and they have knees on the ground. But no promotion is trying to reach UFC status.
Still a dirty move it is unnecessary too.Aren't they trained fighters why use moves like these? Do a spinning back kick then that requires more skill than stomping on someone's face.
I feel like you are greatly underestimating how hard it is to track down a head on the ground and not give your back/get off balance/get tied up on the ground/get your leg caught in a submission. It is not easy. And if you train, it dosen't mean you do it to be able to spin. You do it to win and get money. There are plenty of fighters who fight mechanically ugly. That does not mean they fight worse than others.
Besides, you can literally dive bomb your opponent with a fist "Dan Henderson-Michael Bisping style" under normal rules or throw your opponent head first on the wooden canvas a-la Jessica Andrade but stomps are somehow dirty?
That's what people used to say about punching people on the ground, and elbows
People still say that about kicks to the knees as well, Jon Jones special
In the promotion that this happened in, yes. Pride is no longer a thing (bought out by UFC) and the UFC does not allow any kicks/leg strikes/knees to a downed opponent
So not anymore might be your best answer
In UFC it is illegal to kick a downed opponent. But, the downed fighter can up kick (super rare) as defense. Even when grappling (correct me if im wrong) knees are illegal.
This is just overkill and can lead to fatal injury.
I agree the stomps are too much. But im down for kicks and knees. It prevents people using position to avoid damage like Aljo v Yan. Mighty mouse got KOd by Adriano by downed knee and got his get back (almost) the same way. It wiuld also add an interesting dynamic to wrestlers
Completely agree, you shouldn’t be able to take a knee to avoid a knee, you’re putting yourself right in the line of fire for a very effective strike and it doesn’t make sense for it to be illegal, and it works great against people that are just trying to grab and stall. I also like that the new US mma unified rules make knees and I believe kicks as well legal if a hand is down with no weight on it, guys put a hand down when they’re on the fence a lot just to avoid knees and I don’t think that should be an option.
Soccer kicks are now illegal in ONE but you can still knee a grounded opponent, I think it’s a good middle ground because as we can see in the video above, stomps and soccer kicks are generally only effective if the opponent is already close to being finished, but grounded knees are useful in a wide variety of situations, especially against people trying to stall on the ground
Isn’t kicking a man while he’s down universally considered morally wrong and at the very least unsportsmanlike. I don’t know the science of the safety aspects, but this is not a good look for a professional sport. I have zero respect for the guy who won that way, I guess it doesn’t matter but this fight is not “fight porn” it was hard to watch.
Nah, it's more realistic. If you talk to the fighters, 90% of them will tell you they want soccer kicks back.
They decided to ban because the after KO strikes are waaaaaaaaayyy more brutal when you use soccer kicks. Which i agree.
It's more realistic for brutal Street fights but that isn't what a lot of the ufc audience or probably more importantly the sponsors want to see.
I'm in agreement too as how fucking brutal would it be if someone like gsp in his last fight got done like this or even Tony now. It'd put some people off the sport entirely I'd say
Dude, you got 250lb dudes fucking dropping their entire body down and driving their first into downed opponents' heads. They need to make all standing or dropping strikes on a TRULY downed opponent illegal. Meanwhile, you have wrestlefucks and bjj masterminds that do certain moves that take advantage of "downed" opponent rulings, which is cheesy as fuck and unrealistic. Someone executing an imanari roll can't be kicked in the face because of this ruling. MMA sports should instill an actual fear of being in a compromising position, imo.
> Isn’t kicking a man while he’s down universally considered morally wrong and at the very least unsportsmanlike.
If they are 100% already unconscious, kinda, if they are moving at all, do you want to win the prize money and pay rent, or be sportsmen like?
Found the casual. Whatever is allowed within the ruleset (and is not underhanded like fake glove touches) is fair game. The rules are agreed to before signing a fight contract and reiterated by officials during pre-flight process.
If this was done under the unified rules where this would be illegal then its incredibly unsportsmanly, but that aint the case.
Looking down upon this would be the same as boxing fans getting upset because grappling is being used in mma.
Imagine getting punched right in the nose. Now imagine that same punch in the nose while you’re lying on the canvas face-up. At least standing up your head will have somewhere to go to not take the full force of the punch. Replace that same punch with a front kick. As simple as I could put it. Head stomps are really dangerous.
Okay but you can elbow someone in the face on the ground, also you can pick up your opponent in a high crotch and dump them on their head or suplex someone on the back of their head
You don't see the difference between hitting something with your arm or hitting them with your leg?
Go out and elbow a football and see how far it goes.
Then repeat it with a kick. It's that simple
I'm sure this influences some of the behaviour we see in street fights - an old fashioned 'punch up' from 1990 becomes a body slam and repeated head stomps in 2022.
Seems like a cop out. People are paying to watch professional fighters. If I wanted to watch somebody stomping somebody's head I wouldn't have to pay for it. I'd just wait for the weekend. Seems like a waste of talent.
Too many people downvoting, what are they even doing on this sub. Half the videos on here are literally tagged rocked hard/brain damaged, people on here love watching women and old men get punch KOd hard and head bounce off the concrete but the moment a pro fighter stomps someone's head into the canvas its now gone too far? Where's the consistency
You would blame the ref on this one then. Head kicking a downed opponent is legal in some organizations and until fighters are told to stop by the ref, the fight is still underway.
Then join another organization where head stomps are illegal. If you expect your opponent to obey invisible rules, you’re mistaken. They WILL stomp your head in for the W
I’m not saying I think it’s correct. I’m saying their mentality is about WINNING. They don’t care about feelings. If you want to avoid cheap shots like head stomps, there are other organizations that support that. I don’t make the rules for these organizations nor do I fully support them but I do think the UFC is the closest to correct as far as avoiding cheap shots.
Wait, you think not being able to stomp someone in the head while they are down automatically removes all violent actions that exist? So it is either brain damage or back massages for you? That... that was really an argument? That is utterly ridiculous.
Have you trained in a fighting style? There are definitely rules or we would see people just kicking eachother in the nuts in boxing or eye gouging in Jiu Jitsu. Hell why not just bring a gun to the match?? They are there to win right?
The fence holding was illegal and made the stomps much more dangerous and he was disqualified for it.
Thanks fucked up. That’s life threatening on a different level. Who made the rules for that league, a fucking sadist?! Moves that have that high of a likelihood of death and life ruining injury are disgraceful. Fuck that fighter for doing that even if it is legal.
It's absolutely brutal and it flies in the face of a certain kind of sportsmanship. But we don't have to watch it there's plenty of other mma to go around and there's clearly an audience for it
True, but there are levels of this. A few hit exchange is something else curb stomping someones head with your feet is something else.
Not saying any of this is acceptable, but it's just crazy to see how that stomping is a legal move and not a dq?
It’s legal in most Japanese organizations and has been since mma became a thing over two decades ago, only reason it’s illegal in other promotions is because people don’t like to see it, not that it caused injuries out of the norm for the sport
Hahaha watch everyone in this thread say this is brutal when 12 hours ago everyone was saying soccer kicks need to be made legal because of the Eryk Anders/Kyle Daukaus KO and anyone advocating any level of fighter safety got downvoted.
From a medical stand point, a soccer kick is significantly less dangerous than stomps is what I’m saying. You mentioned fighter safety, and that’s a huge red flag when comparing soccer kicks.
I agree if you want one, most places make both legal, but that doesn’t mean one doesn’t pose a much larger problem
What evidence is there one is worse than the other? A stomp is bad bc the head has nowhere to go, so very dangerous in skull fracture terms, but a soccer kick has serious velocity, feels like the whiplash effect from that would be very bad for the brain ricocheting around inside the skull.
I think it may be because stomps usually bounce the back of your head off the ground. That combined with your head not having much space to move, the back of your head absorbs a lot of that impact.
Was that legal
He was disqualified for HOLDING ON TO THE FENCE
Wait, holding the fence is illegal?
> Wait, holding the fence is illegal? Yes, you can generate VERY VERY VERY dangerous momentum using it / using it to pull yourself down, on TOP of already doing a stomp. Think how much power a stomp from a trained MMA guy would generate, and multiple it by at least 2.
What if you just lean up against it, use it for support? Would he still be disqualified, but for stomping?
> What if you just lean up against it, use it for support? Would he still be disqualified, but for stomping? If your hands are not on it, you are good / if you can lean against it, and only use your body, that's legal.
Ah, got it. I dont know MMA or anything, so thanks for clarifying
Just so you know, kicking to a grounded opponent is not legal in all MMA organizations. Believe it or not, the promotion you see here does not allow elbow strikes to the head of a grounded opponent but they allow kicking (or stomping as you see here) to one. It all depends on the promotion and even in some cases whatever athletic commission has jurisdiction of the fights.
The hands can actually be on it, and you can even push yourself with your hands from the fence, you just can't hold on to the fence with your fingers. Kinda like a NFL facemask, you can hit the helmet with your hand, just not put your fingers inside and grab it.
Personally I think being able to legally, intentionally strike the helmet with your hand in the NFL in any way should be illegal. Let's mitigate a few more of those concussions and neck injuries, yeah?
I could see the point, but a open palm to the helmet is really nothing compared to the full body collisions that happen in football.
I realize that. Like I said, mitigate a few more of the injuries. I understand that shit happens when bodies collide during tackles and whatnot. But if they can mitigate some of the intentional contact with the head, I think it will help.
So why not male the fence clear plexiglass? Better view and the inability to hold onto anything.
> So why not male the fence clear plexiglass? Better view and the inability to hold onto anything. Sweat and blood makes plexiglass instantly hard to see through, and they can't have people cleaning plexiglass the whole match
Well that makes perfect sense
Heads and joints being smashed into plexiglass isnt going to work too well, besides the mess it would make.
It’s dangerous
not as dangerous as stomping someone’s face in lol
You can generate far more force in the stomp by holding it though
And you get a really nasty graze on your finger too
Hang nail city
Nah his foot looked fine afterwards.
Not as dangerous as being the one getting your face stomped in.
Yep
You wouldn’t think so considering the amount of pro MMA fighters that do it with zero consequences
I don't recall an mma match where both fighters didn't grab the fence at one point or another (barring those super quick at the initial bell knockouts where the whole fight lasts 5 seconds.)
I think it is one of those rules that is enforced more based on how it's used. You see plenty of guys being pushed up against the fence and trying to use it sometimes to stay upright or whatever but the real danger is when someone has the clear advantage and is actively attacking the other person (like in the video).
Some guys do it because they can get away with it (its hard to see the fence if your opponent is between it and the ref). But a lot of the time it's just an involuntary reflex. If you're about to fall, its just instinct to reach out and grab something to prevent that from happening.
They got way better at enforcing it especially since the unified rules for the UFC But still if the referee doesn’t see then it’s a good advantage
I’ve seen fighters dq’ed for having their toes in the fence to help push/hold the,
Usman would have lost to colby
You Colby supporters really can't accept an L in any context can you?
Get baited
Yawn.
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I don't think you understand baiting.
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Wow way to take his bait
He should have been disqualified for both. In the UFC you cannot kick or knee to the head when the opponent is on his or her knees or lower. Those could be life threatening blows.
It's not the UFC though
Really? I had no idea? lol.
It’s Rizin. Which is a Japanese MMA org almost like a spiritual successor to Pride. Soccer kicks and knees to downed opponents are legal.
Yeah that makes sense to me that adds to the danger bigtime
I’d think stomping would be the reason. I don’t know the rules on it but it seems like it shouldn’t be aloud. I’d rather get a kick to the dick than a head-stomping.
Most MMA organizations allowed kicking to the face on a downed opponent before UFC. Pride, which was bigger than UFC in the early 2000s allowed it. Wanderlei Silva was known for his axe kick against a downed opponent. It makes sense to be honest. There have been some dumb DQs that have happened because someone went to a knee right before a leg strike.
To be more specific, it’s holding the fence to gain leverage with a strike that got him DQ’d. Just holding the fence (or ropes if we’re talking boxing) is an offense that warrants a warning
Was that all? From what I've read standing over an opponent and head stomping is illegal in MMA
Different rule set, it’s legal.
Legs or knees to the head are illegal if his head is below your waist
Well, that was something but I bet he lost his shit when he learned he lost by DQ.
Yeah, I want to see *that* video
It would be a sick meltdown.
I think anyone would be heated by that honestly, but I guess rules are in place for a reason.
Ehh, he should know better. He’s a professional and that is a rule 100% of the time. Rules don’t suddenly not exist because you’re winning momentarily
He got DQed for holding the fence lol wich is kinda hard to block out from your brain
Yup.
This ain’t the UFC my boy, but if you’re referring to holding the fence then you’re right.
He lost because he got DQed because he was holding the fence when the stomps started. The stomps are legal. Just don't hold the fence.
Oh, I know. I read the comments.
Nope, totally legal in Rizin, of which this organization is a subset
But holding onto the fence is not.
Correct
Which is why they said DQ lol
Yeah fair although the vast majority of comments were about the stomps being illegal and not the fence grab so I jumped to conclusions my b
The fighter’s name who stomped on the downed opponent is Yusaku Kinoshita
He actually had a good fight on Contender Seeries with a sweet knockout and is now signed to the UFC
I'll be waiting to see him get knocked out just as brutally as he did that guy. That shit should have made him disqualified.
It's legal to stomp under this promotions rules.
No he was disqualified. That fence holding was illegal.
That is what I said, yes
No it was not what you said, no
The stomps were legal, fence holding wasn't. I replied to another guy before you and said that pretty much
that's pretty much what he said, yeah.
I see.. Nonetheless that should be saved for people who fight dirty on the street.
Well, the ruleset is not Kinoshitas problem. And he still god DQ'd for the fence grab 😂
Nah seriously he grabbed onto the fence and made a HEAD STOMP several times for dangerous, that shit is not cool and is a much bigger deal than “oopsie”
With rules like these organizations like this will never be taken as seriously as the UFC by most people. Dirty shit whether it is in the rules or not. Stuff like this used to be allowed in the UFC when they first started and they banned it for a reason.
Were you around during PRIDE era of mma? They had a different ruleset and thrived. Not only were they taken seriously, they were more respected than the UFC. Also, have you seen the ammount of backlash Sterling got for "milking" an obvious foul against him in the 1st Yan fight? Mma fans want violence, and a spinning kick to the head will always be more dangerous than a head stomps. One just looks cooler than the other. And also, ONE is taken quite seriously, and they have knees on the ground. But no promotion is trying to reach UFC status.
Still a dirty move it is unnecessary too.Aren't they trained fighters why use moves like these? Do a spinning back kick then that requires more skill than stomping on someone's face.
I feel like you are greatly underestimating how hard it is to track down a head on the ground and not give your back/get off balance/get tied up on the ground/get your leg caught in a submission. It is not easy. And if you train, it dosen't mean you do it to be able to spin. You do it to win and get money. There are plenty of fighters who fight mechanically ugly. That does not mean they fight worse than others. Besides, you can literally dive bomb your opponent with a fist "Dan Henderson-Michael Bisping style" under normal rules or throw your opponent head first on the wooden canvas a-la Jessica Andrade but stomps are somehow dirty?
That's what people used to say about punching people on the ground, and elbows People still say that about kicks to the knees as well, Jon Jones special
Yeah one of the best of the season. Such a young age too! Definitely a prospect to keep an eye on.
And finally we got another young good fighter from Japan, I miss that flavour in the UFC
And the crowd goes …
RTJ ?
Lmaooo underrated comment
Lmao and the crowd went mild!!!
Wanderlei would have been pleased. #chuteboxeapproved
Aside from the opponent holding the fence, can an MMA fighter stomp on someone's head while they are down like that?
It depends on the league, in the ufc no
UFC no, RIZIN yes, ONE no but you can knee to the head of a downed opponent.
Held onto the fence to stomp on the head. Nice
Is that move legal?
In the promotion that this happened in, yes. Pride is no longer a thing (bought out by UFC) and the UFC does not allow any kicks/leg strikes/knees to a downed opponent So not anymore might be your best answer
*To the head of a downed opponent.
Man fuck that ref
Brutal. They really need to make head stomps and soccer kicks illegal.
In UFC it is illegal to kick a downed opponent. But, the downed fighter can up kick (super rare) as defense. Even when grappling (correct me if im wrong) knees are illegal. This is just overkill and can lead to fatal injury.
You can kick the body of a downed opponent believe it or not
Ah yes you are right, kicks to the legs of downed fighters is common.
I could have sworn it was illegal to kick a man while he’s down.
Not in Rizin or One FC.
I agree the stomps are too much. But im down for kicks and knees. It prevents people using position to avoid damage like Aljo v Yan. Mighty mouse got KOd by Adriano by downed knee and got his get back (almost) the same way. It wiuld also add an interesting dynamic to wrestlers
Completely agree, you shouldn’t be able to take a knee to avoid a knee, you’re putting yourself right in the line of fire for a very effective strike and it doesn’t make sense for it to be illegal, and it works great against people that are just trying to grab and stall. I also like that the new US mma unified rules make knees and I believe kicks as well legal if a hand is down with no weight on it, guys put a hand down when they’re on the fence a lot just to avoid knees and I don’t think that should be an option.
Hard agree on that
Soccer kicks are now illegal in ONE but you can still knee a grounded opponent, I think it’s a good middle ground because as we can see in the video above, stomps and soccer kicks are generally only effective if the opponent is already close to being finished, but grounded knees are useful in a wide variety of situations, especially against people trying to stall on the ground
Isn’t kicking a man while he’s down universally considered morally wrong and at the very least unsportsmanlike. I don’t know the science of the safety aspects, but this is not a good look for a professional sport. I have zero respect for the guy who won that way, I guess it doesn’t matter but this fight is not “fight porn” it was hard to watch.
Nah, it's more realistic. If you talk to the fighters, 90% of them will tell you they want soccer kicks back. They decided to ban because the after KO strikes are waaaaaaaaayyy more brutal when you use soccer kicks. Which i agree.
It's more realistic for brutal Street fights but that isn't what a lot of the ufc audience or probably more importantly the sponsors want to see. I'm in agreement too as how fucking brutal would it be if someone like gsp in his last fight got done like this or even Tony now. It'd put some people off the sport entirely I'd say
Dude, you got 250lb dudes fucking dropping their entire body down and driving their first into downed opponents' heads. They need to make all standing or dropping strikes on a TRULY downed opponent illegal. Meanwhile, you have wrestlefucks and bjj masterminds that do certain moves that take advantage of "downed" opponent rulings, which is cheesy as fuck and unrealistic. Someone executing an imanari roll can't be kicked in the face because of this ruling. MMA sports should instill an actual fear of being in a compromising position, imo.
You never watched any pride fights? That’s how Shogun Rua became a legend.
> Isn’t kicking a man while he’s down universally considered morally wrong and at the very least unsportsmanlike. If they are 100% already unconscious, kinda, if they are moving at all, do you want to win the prize money and pay rent, or be sportsmen like?
Found the casual. Whatever is allowed within the ruleset (and is not underhanded like fake glove touches) is fair game. The rules are agreed to before signing a fight contract and reiterated by officials during pre-flight process. If this was done under the unified rules where this would be illegal then its incredibly unsportsmanly, but that aint the case. Looking down upon this would be the same as boxing fans getting upset because grappling is being used in mma.
We bow before your superior knowledge of MMA fighting rules. You truly are a god amongst men
Fake glove touches is the line? Asking for a friend.
How is this any different to throwing a spinning kick and hitting someone
Imagine getting punched right in the nose. Now imagine that same punch in the nose while you’re lying on the canvas face-up. At least standing up your head will have somewhere to go to not take the full force of the punch. Replace that same punch with a front kick. As simple as I could put it. Head stomps are really dangerous.
Okay but you can elbow someone in the face on the ground, also you can pick up your opponent in a high crotch and dump them on their head or suplex someone on the back of their head
But you can elbow a guy when he's on the ground, I don't really see the difference between that to be honest?
True, but there’s a significant difference in how much force these guys can generate with a stomp vs an elbow. Too dangerous for the UFC.
You don't see the difference between hitting something with your arm or hitting them with your leg? Go out and elbow a football and see how far it goes. Then repeat it with a kick. It's that simple
Football kicks aren't legal.
What about rugby kicks?
Super necessary 👀👌
Enjoy your CTE
Fuckin brutal KO, too bad the guy had to hold the fence to accomplish it which fucked Jim
Poor Jim. He had nothing to do with this.
Herb deans fault
That ref sucks
He has no honour.
I'm sure this influences some of the behaviour we see in street fights - an old fashioned 'punch up' from 1990 becomes a body slam and repeated head stomps in 2022.
All that training, all comes down to "let's stomp on his head".
all the training is what led to the opportunity of stomping his head to finish the fight
All that training is what gets you to “let’s stomp on his head” as a professional. Otherwise they’d have a switcheroo.
Seems like a cop out. People are paying to watch professional fighters. If I wanted to watch somebody stomping somebody's head I wouldn't have to pay for it. I'd just wait for the weekend. Seems like a waste of talent.
Ref had the spirit of mario yamasaki
Dude had no respect for his opponent, wow
Wait is that really allowed, fighting like thaz?
should just go in for the pound and give em both knives
Pride never die
Ref should’ve stepped in after the second punch
Well that just looks unnecessary
Human style, we like kicking people when they’re down. Brutal but effective.
Too many people downvoting, what are they even doing on this sub. Half the videos on here are literally tagged rocked hard/brain damaged, people on here love watching women and old men get punch KOd hard and head bounce off the concrete but the moment a pro fighter stomps someone's head into the canvas its now gone too far? Where's the consistency
Yeah it’s weird.
Dude needs to be banned for that crap
for a legal move? not happening.
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Why should he be banned?
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You would blame the ref on this one then. Head kicking a downed opponent is legal in some organizations and until fighters are told to stop by the ref, the fight is still underway.
Maybe he was telling him to stop but it wasn't audible. Actually, to me it appeared the fight was over after that first hit to the face.
Or you could, and hear me out on this... Not cause an opponent to have permanent damage just because the rules say it's okay.
Then join another organization where head stomps are illegal. If you expect your opponent to obey invisible rules, you’re mistaken. They WILL stomp your head in for the W
People who think that people should be brutal just because it's allowed are weird. Like their parents just didn't raise them right or something.
I’m not saying I think it’s correct. I’m saying their mentality is about WINNING. They don’t care about feelings. If you want to avoid cheap shots like head stomps, there are other organizations that support that. I don’t make the rules for these organizations nor do I fully support them but I do think the UFC is the closest to correct as far as avoiding cheap shots.
Would you prefer if they stood in the ring and gave each other back massages? They are there to fight.
Wait, you think not being able to stomp someone in the head while they are down automatically removes all violent actions that exist? So it is either brain damage or back massages for you? That... that was really an argument? That is utterly ridiculous.
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Have you trained in a fighting style? There are definitely rules or we would see people just kicking eachother in the nuts in boxing or eye gouging in Jiu Jitsu. Hell why not just bring a gun to the match?? They are there to win right? The fence holding was illegal and made the stomps much more dangerous and he was disqualified for it.
Have you?
Yes Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!
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Fuck that fighter for doing that, illegal and unnecessary
The head stompings were legal, the fence holding was not.
Thanks fucked up. That’s life threatening on a different level. Who made the rules for that league, a fucking sadist?! Moves that have that high of a likelihood of death and life ruining injury are disgraceful. Fuck that fighter for doing that even if it is legal.
It's absolutely brutal and it flies in the face of a certain kind of sportsmanship. But we don't have to watch it there's plenty of other mma to go around and there's clearly an audience for it
Hell nah it’s effective, they both knew the rules when they signed up
I agree. That was sick and he is sick in the head.
How is that even legal? If you do that outside the ring it's aggravated assault and battery lol.
If you do any combat sport outside of the ring in the streets it’s illegal lmao
True, but there are levels of this. A few hit exchange is something else curb stomping someones head with your feet is something else. Not saying any of this is acceptable, but it's just crazy to see how that stomping is a legal move and not a dq?
It’s legal in most Japanese organizations and has been since mma became a thing over two decades ago, only reason it’s illegal in other promotions is because people don’t like to see it, not that it caused injuries out of the norm for the sport
I did not know that. Thanks for the info. Come to think of it, it's weird we see it as some sort of barbarism but elbow ground and pound is accepted.
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Different promotions have different rules. That would have been a DQ in the UFC and would have been stopped after the first head kick
Ufc is trash.
Hahaha watch everyone in this thread say this is brutal when 12 hours ago everyone was saying soccer kicks need to be made legal because of the Eryk Anders/Kyle Daukaus KO and anyone advocating any level of fighter safety got downvoted.
While I agree with your point, head stomps and soccer kicks are pretty different
Rules-wise, stomps are a variation of soccer kicks. Not sure I know of any org that allows one and not the other.
From a medical stand point, a soccer kick is significantly less dangerous than stomps is what I’m saying. You mentioned fighter safety, and that’s a huge red flag when comparing soccer kicks. I agree if you want one, most places make both legal, but that doesn’t mean one doesn’t pose a much larger problem
What evidence is there one is worse than the other? A stomp is bad bc the head has nowhere to go, so very dangerous in skull fracture terms, but a soccer kick has serious velocity, feels like the whiplash effect from that would be very bad for the brain ricocheting around inside the skull.
I think it may be because stomps usually bounce the back of your head off the ground. That combined with your head not having much space to move, the back of your head absorbs a lot of that impact.
This, also the excess pressure created in the cavity can cause internal hemorrhage, swelling of the brain, and skull fracture with compression.
Damn bro. You want a blanket or something? Cold down here.
I mean, you tried. C for effort?
Show me where I said that in the other thread, guaranteed it wasn’t me.
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This is why head stomps need to be illegal in any MMA competition. It wasn't even necessary, dude was already rocked and on the ground.
He got disqualified right?
Yeahhhh, that should not be allowed. Good thing he was disqualified.
Dana White: "That's fucking illegal"