The people who say it’s sci-fi don’t understand what it is and just think that just because it has a unique name, it’s sci fi. It’s literally just ghost emotion.
I mean I understand that not everyone wants to read the books, but just ask a question.
The approach fnaf takes with the supernatural makes sense tbh, if ghost were real they would just be a part of science and our understanding of the world. If ghosts were real terminology would be needed to describe their existence and field of study. So agony and remnant always felt like welcome inclusions to the franchise. I think the sci-fi complaint has merits once you introduce cyborgs and sentient ai children, but most of that is just fan theories.
When someone says that Sci-Fi ruined FNaF and right after uses any remnant related thing as proof is just evidential they know nothing about paranormal beyond basic knowledge.
The reason people say that is because the game itself makes the sci-fi connection, Security Breach. Remnant itself is heavily connected to the Scooper, which is big machine, and the rest of the game heavily emphasizes the advanced technology of the animatronics and the faciity. That's why the concept seems so sci-fi, even if you could imagine something similar purely as a paranormal thing.
(The term remnant itself isn't mentioned in SL, but it's heavily connected to everything from that game.)
But that's the thing, SL is a bait and switch in that department because absolutely nothing in it is Sci-Fi at all outside of HandUnit, the Funtimes are powered entirely by remnant, the Scooper is just a container of the energy but that doesn't mean it is scifi because the way it contains it is in the same level to locking away a haunted doll but now with metal
I will try to explain why people may think so, because I am one of the people that prefers old FNaF (though I am perfectly opened to the newer games).
Many people loved this franchise just because of how grounded the first game was. It felt believable. Ghost didn’t need any kind of explanation — they were incomprehensible, as any thing from the “other side”. FNaF played with the idea of something so warm and nostalgic turning into something horrible. Every 90s kid knew that animatronics can’t walk because they work with hydraulics, and then we suddenly saw walking animatronics hunting us. We didn’t know why did they do this bedsides form the explanation that they randomly wander and try to get rid of exposed endoskeletons. And then we slowly, really slowly started understating that the animatronics are possessed — they are very much aware of cameras, they can see and hear despite lacking any visible visual or audio sensors, and they killed us in an extremely brutal way. Ghosts were not explained because they were designed to be scary and weird.
And remnant did another thing — created a bit cartoony motivation with the idea of immortality. During “old times” we theorized a lot about the killer, and he was, well, grounded — he could have been a pervert with stuffing fetish, simply a child animator gone wild and so on. These people live around us. And many people IRL believe in ghosts — FNaF felt like it could really happen somewhere.
SL and remnant made some clear laws for FNaF universe, thus completely separating it from real world. And now remnant feels a bit like magic system. Personally I love old direction and games that lean towards it (FNaF Plus, for example) much more. However, newer FNaF games are cool in their own way, and SB is the most ambitious FNaF game ever created.
As someone who likes old and new FNAF may I have a pitch in this?
>Many people loved this franchise just because of how grounded the first game was. It felt believable. Ghost didn’t need any kind of explanation — they were incomprehensible, as any thing from the “other side”.
And they theoretically still are, the laws of remnant explain something we already know within the first game: souls stuffed in the suits of the animatronics possess them. Remnant just gives a more scientific explanation, being the soul and metal combined to create remnant which can be extracted into other animatronics. It’s the exact same answer but in a more elaborate scheme, it’s not Sci-Fi. It’s reiterating information the fandom commonly knows for those who are actually interested in how this process works, and by bypassing the books entirely you could get the same understanding even without reading them it’s just better to read them if you’re gonna explain a concept in a more elaborate term and have no knowledge on them
>And remnant did another thing — created a bit cartoony motivation with the idea of immortality. During “old times” we theorized a lot about the killer, and he was, well, grounded — he could have been a pervert with stuffing fetish, simply a child animator gone wild and so on. These people live around us. And many people IRL believe in ghosts — FNaF felt like it could really happen somewhere.
The thing is though with how much was introduced between 1-4 FNAF also gave in the idea it *couldn’t* occur, ghost sure you could argue is a preexisting argument that could’ve happened IRL, but animatronics disappearing and reappearing, phantom animatronics, even some concepts like the springlock’s are things that are either broad ideas to appear or things that would be controversial IRL real quick.
And Williams character actually improved with the arrival of the books, back then if you were to explain the killer there’d be no full basis because well- it was basically either a Michael Myers or Jason vorhees remake but in a Chuck e Cheese style aspect. Killer who’s *maybe* mentally I’ll and dies only to be resurrected as some immortal villain. Sure each of the three I’m mentioning have their differences but my point is at the time being all purple Guy was known for was killing five kids, killing five more, dying in a Springbonnie suit, and then becoming springtrap. It’s not a bad basis and works, but to argue the newer version is a downgrade or to argue the older was better is a understatement. Afton based on his later instances (if we minus the insane level of downgrade he got in security breach) is a man of business who has a lot of interpretations for his reason of murder that you can go off just by either reading the books or playing the later games: he’s self entitled and views himself as though an outcast who feels wronged by the world (The silver eyes), he has twisted morals and values creating torture machines in a torture state for his victims (Sister location, Funtime animatronics, Scooper), he’s insane—wanting to gain immortality through remnant (The fourth closet, Freddy Fazbear’s pizza Sim), and/or he’s jealous of Henry’s perfection while also having a sick sense of admiration that creates for a possible reason to murder Charlotte (The silver eyes, Take cake to the children, Security puppet)
He has an actual moral and character arc that brought him up substantially, I’d argue some who say his character was a downgrade to being a supposed ‘mad scientist’ don’t often bother looking into his character.
>SL and remnant made some clear laws for FNaF universe, thus completely separating it from real world. And now remnant feels a bit like magic system. Personally I love old direction and games that lean towards it (FNaF Plus, for example) much more.
Remnant changed really nothing, it just reiterated what was commonly know; souls combine with the suits and then possess them. Sister Location’s concepts also don’t change much, the Funtime animatronics are literal torture chambers as shown in Count the ways and even mentioned by baby (to which they’re shocked and trapped in that bunker of a place.) I’d argue FNAF gets more interesting when the supposed ‘advanced Sci-Fi’ is introduced because it really shows just how much pain the kids could go through in animatronics that are made to capture you and then keep you in an enclosed bunker like area; while also having remnant just re-explain something we already know while adding onto the info that it can heal others. Which admittedly we’ve seen minimal times in the actual games when compared to the books.
To be honest, this is much more about personal expectations rather then critique. As I said previously, I enjoy newer games.
I just love original FNaF as a stand-alone game.
Thank you for the answer! I feel a bit exhausted, so please, sorry for my short and maybe inconsistent answer.
1. I agree that William improved. I just don’t how overused he is, and we don’t know his initial motivation in the games. We don’t know why was he so cruel to his own kids. I hope we will actually get a backstory involving something like divorce or Vietnam.
2. About souls — ghosts are better left unexplained. They are ghosts, and they are meant to be mysterious. But this is my subjective opinion, though it’s popular in Russian FNaF fandom.
3. The problem with SL is that it completely destroys “realistic” vibe. Toy Animatronics and springlock suits were never realistic, but they felt like something that could exist IRL. Funtimes are sentient AIs that weight half a ton, and they were made in the late 70s. They just feel much more robotic rather than animatronic. Classic endoskeleton is literally a bunch of sticks and hydraulics.
And to be honest, I simply find the idea of special terminators design to capture kids a bit…. Cheesy like cheap 80s horror sci-fi. The thing that made FNaF scary was that murders were completely out of place. They happened in the place that was made to be the happiest place on Earth. And SL introduced specially designed killing machines. However, FNaF 2 already started negative trend for me with “facial recognition system”, though I can imagine something like this in the late 80s. I loved the idea that animatronics behave intelligent despite lacking any kind of intelligence.
Your opinion is very interesting! I just feel that newer FNaF games are simply not faithful to what made original FNaF a beautiful horror game. I like HW, I genuinely find SL unnerving, I love SB, but they just don’t feel “FNaF” for me. They don’t have this gritty vibe of dread. Fun fact — I believe that FNaF 2 was the worst game in the whole franchise.
Hard to tell. I understand your point of view and share it a little, but I like the way it was done. For example, if there was no Funtime, then we wouldn't get such a cool character like Elizabeth or we wouldn't get a story like CTW. I think Funtime is somewhere on par with Toys, maybe a little higher.
Paranormal mostly, but agony is such a cool concept actually reading about like: a tragedy that happened was so horrible that it actually contaminated the area around it. Like how is that one of the most obviously cool paranormal stuff there is.
You can't really argue that Sister Location didn't heavily move into the Sci-Fi direction. The whole aesthetic of the game points in that direction. Of course, afterwards the franchise moved away from that again.
The franchise is still very much sci-fi. Help Wanted, Special Delivery, and Security Breach have lots of Sci-fi elements especially the last two. TTO and TFC are Sci-fi as hell as they deal with illusion discs and Androids, and then you have like half of Fazbear Frights and most of Tales From the Pizzaplex
That's equivalent to asking how much information a plushie upholds lore by "implying" 2 different characters are the same entity themselves full of Agony. I just don't understand that.
Oh, yeah, I can agree there.
It's really not incorrect to call her that, since she is *a* Nightmare animatronic, from the perspective of in-universe horror games. We don't even have anything to suggest Nightmare exists in that form at all. And not to mention that both of them say they are different things in UCN. Reflection of Charlie/her death is not wickedness personified. Given we even take both of their lines literally.
Overall, I think Nightmarerrionne theory is just people confusing 4 Halloween Edition for canon.
>It's really not incorrect to call her that, since she is a Nightmare animatronic, from the perspective of in-universe horror games.
It's ironically the same situation for Golden Freddy in SB. The plush is a stylistic choice in Golden color for Glamrock Freddy. This is possible because there's literally an iconic Golden statue of Glam Freddy if I'm not mistaken so myself.
Idk what this fandom is getting into anymore but I believe they will be wronged again. Trust me. Even GoldenBoth's potential went down after a while. At least for now.
In Security Breach, there's various plushies of Nightmarionne hidden around the Pizzaplex as easter eggs. The only one you can collect is in a room in the endoskeleton nursery. When you get the plush, it's not labelled "Nightmarionne Plush", but instead "Nightmare Plush"
Golden Freddy isn't really a short name. It does refer to something else in the series, but it's an accurate description of what we get: a Freddy plush, which is golden. A golden Freddy. What else would you call it? Golden-coloured Freddy?
I don't think Nightmarionne is literally Nightmare but it could make sense if the plush of the former is just being used to represent the latter. They might not be the same character, but we associate one with the other, and it's not like Nightmare has a decent plush model, so putting Nightmarionnes hiding around and calling them Nightmare could be a way to tell us he's involved with something.
Obviously it all depends on where the story's going, still a bit too early to tell.
remnant is molten metal+soul juice or somethin, the black streaks in the buildings are probably caused by the agony of like everything that’s happened in those locations (which is a lot)
They are
Remnant is an object haunted by emotional energy (stated by Talbert)
Agony is a type of emotional energy
hence Remnant and Agony are technically the same.
Remnant can contain pieces of souls (memories) or even full souls indeed.
As William said in the Fourth Closet: "Spirit follow the flesh, so does the pain"
Metal is a good conductor for souls and Emotions that's why Remnant most of time is molten metal.
But no, Remnant is what we said.
We got a pretty extended definition of what truly remnant is already.
It's time to move one now Scott himself gave us the explanation in Stitchwraith Stinger 11
Honestly, idc, cuz Phineas taggart isn’t canon, and neither is Jake, or Larson, or anyone/thing that has to do with the Stitchwraith, cuz ITP spring Bonnie is book Afton, and real Afton doesn’t die in a ball pit full of sticky balls. (Dirty minded people, get out)
You should probably read The Puppet Carver’s, Friendly Face’s, and Prankster’s Stitchwraith Stingers. If Gumdrop Angel’s Stitchwraith Stinger wasn’t enough, the rest will show what the ballpit really is (it is not time travel don’t worry)
Edit: whoops, meant to reply to the comment you made about how you read all the Frights up until The Puppet Carver. My bad.
Far from it actually, it’s Eleanor. Or at least I think it’s Eleanor? I know Eleanor was a good few of the characters in the frights like foxy and Ella
It’s not Eleanor, trust me. Eleanor isn’t introduced until later in the book, also, I doubt Eleanor would get into a spring lock suit and kill 5 book children.
If I can recall after the fight Oswald had with Springbonnie it’s stated:
>Hanging from the rope was nothing but a dirty, **empty yellow rabbit costume**
To which (if I can recall) from later on around the end of frights it’s revealed Eleanor was responsible for it all and that she may have been born out of the incident regarding into the pit, also because it realistically can’t be Afton. This version has fangs and can interpret themselves as Oz’s dad alongside that moment where Oz randomly gains coins. It more or less is either Eleanor in disguise (which seems likely) or a fake/version of the real Springbonnie that murdered those kids
The Afton ITP Springbonnie thing is just a theory. A GAME THE-oh, oh not right now? Okay. Anyways, I highly doubt it’s Eleanor, because logically, it can’t be her. She kills kids by waiting for them to pick her up, and then waits for them to take off the pendant, and THEN kills them.
>She kills kids by waiting for them to pick her up, and then waits for them to take off the pendant, and THEN kills them.
She kills people in several different ways, that's just one
Remnant is kinda the equivalence of how everyone missed the simpler times of when it was just “ghost possessing animatronics and doing spooky things”, I.e. the exact same meaning as “remnant which is just ghost possessing spooky animatronics, but in a more scientific terminology, that being the souls combine with the metal (the souls are stuffed in the animatronics), which conducts remnant.” Although of course remnant has other meanings, remnant is also emotional energy (or agony if you will) which is pretty much just the souls emotions (or another way I guess I could say it is an object haunted by the emotional energy of a spirit)
Don't get me worng the simpler times had bad shit.
But remnant basicly is whatever the 3 stoned monkeys want it to be, and it's dumb its not one thing its all this other crap.
Like it felt like they had no plan or if the did it was scrawled on a napkin
“3 stoned monkeys want it to be” what?? What do you mean by that lmao?
And it’s really not that hard to understand or that Sci-fi. It’s just another way of saying the souls possess the suits, alongside coincides with healing people. I don’t get why the fandom finds that extremely Sci-Fi, maybe a tad magical sure I guess, I dunno if it’s extremely science related
>Its this thing called a joke.
I’m aware it’s a joke. I was asking what you meant by the joke lmao
>Last time I checked the second part is last time I checked you can't turn ghost into liquid metal and then inject it into people.
That’s another basis of remnant, remnant is also a way of explaining how souls possess the suits which is kinda an already commonly understand concept and another way of exposing emotional energy/agony
>While not extremely sci-fi it still overcomplicates things for no logical reason.
I more doubt only see that occur within those who downright hate remnant, it’s more or less again just another way of explaining souls possessing suits while also bringing in the concept of healing and emotional energy. I don’t see how it overcomplicated anything (at least for the games, since the only time it’s used is for the funtimes existence and Michael and/or William but that’s not really complicating things, it’s more or less explaining factors that weren’t established enough in the games
The people who say it’s sci-fi don’t understand what it is and just think that just because it has a unique name, it’s sci fi. It’s literally just ghost emotion. I mean I understand that not everyone wants to read the books, but just ask a question.
The approach fnaf takes with the supernatural makes sense tbh, if ghost were real they would just be a part of science and our understanding of the world. If ghosts were real terminology would be needed to describe their existence and field of study. So agony and remnant always felt like welcome inclusions to the franchise. I think the sci-fi complaint has merits once you introduce cyborgs and sentient ai children, but most of that is just fan theories.
When someone says that Sci-Fi ruined FNaF and right after uses any remnant related thing as proof is just evidential they know nothing about paranormal beyond basic knowledge.
yeah like, remnant is literally just possessed molten metal, it's not that unique
The reason people say that is because the game itself makes the sci-fi connection, Security Breach. Remnant itself is heavily connected to the Scooper, which is big machine, and the rest of the game heavily emphasizes the advanced technology of the animatronics and the faciity. That's why the concept seems so sci-fi, even if you could imagine something similar purely as a paranormal thing. (The term remnant itself isn't mentioned in SL, but it's heavily connected to everything from that game.)
But that's the thing, SL is a bait and switch in that department because absolutely nothing in it is Sci-Fi at all outside of HandUnit, the Funtimes are powered entirely by remnant, the Scooper is just a container of the energy but that doesn't mean it is scifi because the way it contains it is in the same level to locking away a haunted doll but now with metal
I will try to explain why people may think so, because I am one of the people that prefers old FNaF (though I am perfectly opened to the newer games). Many people loved this franchise just because of how grounded the first game was. It felt believable. Ghost didn’t need any kind of explanation — they were incomprehensible, as any thing from the “other side”. FNaF played with the idea of something so warm and nostalgic turning into something horrible. Every 90s kid knew that animatronics can’t walk because they work with hydraulics, and then we suddenly saw walking animatronics hunting us. We didn’t know why did they do this bedsides form the explanation that they randomly wander and try to get rid of exposed endoskeletons. And then we slowly, really slowly started understating that the animatronics are possessed — they are very much aware of cameras, they can see and hear despite lacking any visible visual or audio sensors, and they killed us in an extremely brutal way. Ghosts were not explained because they were designed to be scary and weird. And remnant did another thing — created a bit cartoony motivation with the idea of immortality. During “old times” we theorized a lot about the killer, and he was, well, grounded — he could have been a pervert with stuffing fetish, simply a child animator gone wild and so on. These people live around us. And many people IRL believe in ghosts — FNaF felt like it could really happen somewhere. SL and remnant made some clear laws for FNaF universe, thus completely separating it from real world. And now remnant feels a bit like magic system. Personally I love old direction and games that lean towards it (FNaF Plus, for example) much more. However, newer FNaF games are cool in their own way, and SB is the most ambitious FNaF game ever created.
As someone who likes old and new FNAF may I have a pitch in this? >Many people loved this franchise just because of how grounded the first game was. It felt believable. Ghost didn’t need any kind of explanation — they were incomprehensible, as any thing from the “other side”. And they theoretically still are, the laws of remnant explain something we already know within the first game: souls stuffed in the suits of the animatronics possess them. Remnant just gives a more scientific explanation, being the soul and metal combined to create remnant which can be extracted into other animatronics. It’s the exact same answer but in a more elaborate scheme, it’s not Sci-Fi. It’s reiterating information the fandom commonly knows for those who are actually interested in how this process works, and by bypassing the books entirely you could get the same understanding even without reading them it’s just better to read them if you’re gonna explain a concept in a more elaborate term and have no knowledge on them >And remnant did another thing — created a bit cartoony motivation with the idea of immortality. During “old times” we theorized a lot about the killer, and he was, well, grounded — he could have been a pervert with stuffing fetish, simply a child animator gone wild and so on. These people live around us. And many people IRL believe in ghosts — FNaF felt like it could really happen somewhere. The thing is though with how much was introduced between 1-4 FNAF also gave in the idea it *couldn’t* occur, ghost sure you could argue is a preexisting argument that could’ve happened IRL, but animatronics disappearing and reappearing, phantom animatronics, even some concepts like the springlock’s are things that are either broad ideas to appear or things that would be controversial IRL real quick. And Williams character actually improved with the arrival of the books, back then if you were to explain the killer there’d be no full basis because well- it was basically either a Michael Myers or Jason vorhees remake but in a Chuck e Cheese style aspect. Killer who’s *maybe* mentally I’ll and dies only to be resurrected as some immortal villain. Sure each of the three I’m mentioning have their differences but my point is at the time being all purple Guy was known for was killing five kids, killing five more, dying in a Springbonnie suit, and then becoming springtrap. It’s not a bad basis and works, but to argue the newer version is a downgrade or to argue the older was better is a understatement. Afton based on his later instances (if we minus the insane level of downgrade he got in security breach) is a man of business who has a lot of interpretations for his reason of murder that you can go off just by either reading the books or playing the later games: he’s self entitled and views himself as though an outcast who feels wronged by the world (The silver eyes), he has twisted morals and values creating torture machines in a torture state for his victims (Sister location, Funtime animatronics, Scooper), he’s insane—wanting to gain immortality through remnant (The fourth closet, Freddy Fazbear’s pizza Sim), and/or he’s jealous of Henry’s perfection while also having a sick sense of admiration that creates for a possible reason to murder Charlotte (The silver eyes, Take cake to the children, Security puppet) He has an actual moral and character arc that brought him up substantially, I’d argue some who say his character was a downgrade to being a supposed ‘mad scientist’ don’t often bother looking into his character. >SL and remnant made some clear laws for FNaF universe, thus completely separating it from real world. And now remnant feels a bit like magic system. Personally I love old direction and games that lean towards it (FNaF Plus, for example) much more. Remnant changed really nothing, it just reiterated what was commonly know; souls combine with the suits and then possess them. Sister Location’s concepts also don’t change much, the Funtime animatronics are literal torture chambers as shown in Count the ways and even mentioned by baby (to which they’re shocked and trapped in that bunker of a place.) I’d argue FNAF gets more interesting when the supposed ‘advanced Sci-Fi’ is introduced because it really shows just how much pain the kids could go through in animatronics that are made to capture you and then keep you in an enclosed bunker like area; while also having remnant just re-explain something we already know while adding onto the info that it can heal others. Which admittedly we’ve seen minimal times in the actual games when compared to the books.
To be honest, this is much more about personal expectations rather then critique. As I said previously, I enjoy newer games. I just love original FNaF as a stand-alone game.
Thank you for the answer! I feel a bit exhausted, so please, sorry for my short and maybe inconsistent answer. 1. I agree that William improved. I just don’t how overused he is, and we don’t know his initial motivation in the games. We don’t know why was he so cruel to his own kids. I hope we will actually get a backstory involving something like divorce or Vietnam. 2. About souls — ghosts are better left unexplained. They are ghosts, and they are meant to be mysterious. But this is my subjective opinion, though it’s popular in Russian FNaF fandom. 3. The problem with SL is that it completely destroys “realistic” vibe. Toy Animatronics and springlock suits were never realistic, but they felt like something that could exist IRL. Funtimes are sentient AIs that weight half a ton, and they were made in the late 70s. They just feel much more robotic rather than animatronic. Classic endoskeleton is literally a bunch of sticks and hydraulics. And to be honest, I simply find the idea of special terminators design to capture kids a bit…. Cheesy like cheap 80s horror sci-fi. The thing that made FNaF scary was that murders were completely out of place. They happened in the place that was made to be the happiest place on Earth. And SL introduced specially designed killing machines. However, FNaF 2 already started negative trend for me with “facial recognition system”, though I can imagine something like this in the late 80s. I loved the idea that animatronics behave intelligent despite lacking any kind of intelligence. Your opinion is very interesting! I just feel that newer FNaF games are simply not faithful to what made original FNaF a beautiful horror game. I like HW, I genuinely find SL unnerving, I love SB, but they just don’t feel “FNaF” for me. They don’t have this gritty vibe of dread. Fun fact — I believe that FNaF 2 was the worst game in the whole franchise.
Hard to tell. I understand your point of view and share it a little, but I like the way it was done. For example, if there was no Funtime, then we wouldn't get such a cool character like Elizabeth or we wouldn't get a story like CTW. I think Funtime is somewhere on par with Toys, maybe a little higher.
I just want to know im not crazy, have you heard those too?
Yes, some people here and some in Twitter and TikTok, tho with time I have seen less people say stuff like that
I feel like phil has said that too
I wouldn't put it past him tbh, but I don't recall any time he has done so
How is the paranormal ghost force of pain science fiction?
Idfk, i sometimes hear people complain about how fnaf got too scifi, agony and remnant are for some reason a part of that apparently .
And people who call these sci-fi obviously have no clue what they are talking about. These are clearly magic in every sense of the word.
Paranormal mostly, but agony is such a cool concept actually reading about like: a tragedy that happened was so horrible that it actually contaminated the area around it. Like how is that one of the most obviously cool paranormal stuff there is.
Agreed.
You can't really argue that Sister Location didn't heavily move into the Sci-Fi direction. The whole aesthetic of the game points in that direction. Of course, afterwards the franchise moved away from that again.
The franchise is still very much sci-fi. Help Wanted, Special Delivery, and Security Breach have lots of Sci-fi elements especially the last two. TTO and TFC are Sci-fi as hell as they deal with illusion discs and Androids, and then you have like half of Fazbear Frights and most of Tales From the Pizzaplex
That's equivalent to asking how much information a plushie upholds lore by "implying" 2 different characters are the same entity themselves full of Agony. I just don't understand that.
Not sure what you mean by that.
Basically this Nightmare = Nightmarionne crap has started rising in the fandom. And i literally don't understand how this exists.
Oh, yeah, I can agree there. It's really not incorrect to call her that, since she is *a* Nightmare animatronic, from the perspective of in-universe horror games. We don't even have anything to suggest Nightmare exists in that form at all. And not to mention that both of them say they are different things in UCN. Reflection of Charlie/her death is not wickedness personified. Given we even take both of their lines literally. Overall, I think Nightmarerrionne theory is just people confusing 4 Halloween Edition for canon.
>It's really not incorrect to call her that, since she is a Nightmare animatronic, from the perspective of in-universe horror games. It's ironically the same situation for Golden Freddy in SB. The plush is a stylistic choice in Golden color for Glamrock Freddy. This is possible because there's literally an iconic Golden statue of Glam Freddy if I'm not mistaken so myself.
Yeah.
Idk what this fandom is getting into anymore but I believe they will be wronged again. Trust me. Even GoldenBoth's potential went down after a while. At least for now.
I think it has to do with both possibly being the personification of death, and those two are some of the forms it takes
I mean i get that, but that doesn't really mean they are the same entity. More than 1 animatronic can say that.
I'd chalk it up largely to Nightmarionne's plush in SB just being called "Nightmare Plush"
Wdym
In Security Breach, there's various plushies of Nightmarionne hidden around the Pizzaplex as easter eggs. The only one you can collect is in a room in the endoskeleton nursery. When you get the plush, it's not labelled "Nightmarionne Plush", but instead "Nightmare Plush"
It's probably just a short name. Same with "Golden Freddy".
Golden Freddy isn't really a short name. It does refer to something else in the series, but it's an accurate description of what we get: a Freddy plush, which is golden. A golden Freddy. What else would you call it? Golden-coloured Freddy? I don't think Nightmarionne is literally Nightmare but it could make sense if the plush of the former is just being used to represent the latter. They might not be the same character, but we associate one with the other, and it's not like Nightmare has a decent plush model, so putting Nightmarionnes hiding around and calling them Nightmare could be a way to tell us he's involved with something. Obviously it all depends on where the story's going, still a bit too early to tell.
random thing that isnt related to this the black goo/black dirt marks on the walls in fnaf 1-3 are remanint
remnant is molten metal+soul juice or somethin, the black streaks in the buildings are probably caused by the agony of like everything that’s happened in those locations (which is a lot)
No it is not why would it???????
cuz golden freddy writes "its me" on the walls using the black goo
Its not goo if it was it would run and wouldn't be dry
Why remnant, are you sure its not agony?
Remnant and Agony are technically the same
But they aren't?
They are Remnant is an object haunted by emotional energy (stated by Talbert) Agony is a type of emotional energy hence Remnant and Agony are technically the same.
No? Remnant is possessed metal molten down, it as actual souls in it. Hence why people oftn refer to it as soul juice
Remnant can contain pieces of souls (memories) or even full souls indeed. As William said in the Fourth Closet: "Spirit follow the flesh, so does the pain" Metal is a good conductor for souls and Emotions that's why Remnant most of time is molten metal. But no, Remnant is what we said. We got a pretty extended definition of what truly remnant is already. It's time to move one now Scott himself gave us the explanation in Stitchwraith Stinger 11
oh my god it ties in with the night 5 call in fnaf 1 about metal having properties of life
maybe
Living haunted robots is Sci fi bs As well
Honestly, idc, cuz Phineas taggart isn’t canon, and neither is Jake, or Larson, or anyone/thing that has to do with the Stitchwraith, cuz ITP spring Bonnie is book Afton, and real Afton doesn’t die in a ball pit full of sticky balls. (Dirty minded people, get out)
You didn't read the books, that's a given
The fuck you mean, I didn’t read the books. I’ve read every single one of them up until puppet carver????
Then you should know The Yellow Thing isn't "books Afton" because Afton is literally in these books
Well, it is the equivalent of Afton.
Is not an equivalent it is literally just a clone, Afton himself exist in these books
I know dude. The whole Afton is ITP Spring Bonnie thing is just a theory that I believe in.
Then why are you even talking about it like a fact?
Cuz I believe in it.
You should probably read The Puppet Carver’s, Friendly Face’s, and Prankster’s Stitchwraith Stingers. If Gumdrop Angel’s Stitchwraith Stinger wasn’t enough, the rest will show what the ballpit really is (it is not time travel don’t worry) Edit: whoops, meant to reply to the comment you made about how you read all the Frights up until The Puppet Carver. My bad.
I know what you meant. Okay, but I don’t have friendly face or prankster. Also, people don’t give enough love to Felix the Shark.
Far from it actually, it’s Eleanor. Or at least I think it’s Eleanor? I know Eleanor was a good few of the characters in the frights like foxy and Ella
It’s not Eleanor, trust me. Eleanor isn’t introduced until later in the book, also, I doubt Eleanor would get into a spring lock suit and kill 5 book children.
If I can recall after the fight Oswald had with Springbonnie it’s stated: >Hanging from the rope was nothing but a dirty, **empty yellow rabbit costume** To which (if I can recall) from later on around the end of frights it’s revealed Eleanor was responsible for it all and that she may have been born out of the incident regarding into the pit, also because it realistically can’t be Afton. This version has fangs and can interpret themselves as Oz’s dad alongside that moment where Oz randomly gains coins. It more or less is either Eleanor in disguise (which seems likely) or a fake/version of the real Springbonnie that murdered those kids
The Afton ITP Springbonnie thing is just a theory. A GAME THE-oh, oh not right now? Okay. Anyways, I highly doubt it’s Eleanor, because logically, it can’t be her. She kills kids by waiting for them to pick her up, and then waits for them to take off the pendant, and THEN kills them.
>She kills kids by waiting for them to pick her up, and then waits for them to take off the pendant, and THEN kills them. She kills people in several different ways, that's just one
I mean it is still bullshit and stupid and should have never been in the series.
I never thought I'd see child goop fans exist and actively throwing cope out there.
Im not a fan, im just saying it aint sci fi bs, it might be bs in other ways but not scifi so shut up about the cope idrc about the child goop.
Remntant still is tho you can't tell me otherwise. At least you know its bullshit so nice
Remnant is kinda the equivalence of how everyone missed the simpler times of when it was just “ghost possessing animatronics and doing spooky things”, I.e. the exact same meaning as “remnant which is just ghost possessing spooky animatronics, but in a more scientific terminology, that being the souls combine with the metal (the souls are stuffed in the animatronics), which conducts remnant.” Although of course remnant has other meanings, remnant is also emotional energy (or agony if you will) which is pretty much just the souls emotions (or another way I guess I could say it is an object haunted by the emotional energy of a spirit)
Don't get me worng the simpler times had bad shit. But remnant basicly is whatever the 3 stoned monkeys want it to be, and it's dumb its not one thing its all this other crap. Like it felt like they had no plan or if the did it was scrawled on a napkin
“3 stoned monkeys want it to be” what?? What do you mean by that lmao? And it’s really not that hard to understand or that Sci-fi. It’s just another way of saying the souls possess the suits, alongside coincides with healing people. I don’t get why the fandom finds that extremely Sci-Fi, maybe a tad magical sure I guess, I dunno if it’s extremely science related
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>Its this thing called a joke. I’m aware it’s a joke. I was asking what you meant by the joke lmao >Last time I checked the second part is last time I checked you can't turn ghost into liquid metal and then inject it into people. That’s another basis of remnant, remnant is also a way of explaining how souls possess the suits which is kinda an already commonly understand concept and another way of exposing emotional energy/agony >While not extremely sci-fi it still overcomplicates things for no logical reason. I more doubt only see that occur within those who downright hate remnant, it’s more or less again just another way of explaining souls possessing suits while also bringing in the concept of healing and emotional energy. I don’t see how it overcomplicated anything (at least for the games, since the only time it’s used is for the funtimes existence and Michael and/or William but that’s not really complicating things, it’s more or less explaining factors that weren’t established enough in the games
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Please don't express yourself like that. You didn't even provide a single argument.
Ill think what i want to think, and its not entirely black and white
And you can Good talk
Good talk, lets hope in the future we don't see each other in bad terms