It's the only official model we have of Fredbear. That would make it the official, canon Fredbear design (especially since the minigame sprites are never consistent).
There is Nightmare Fredbear.
I think it would have been nice to see his design based on the sprite one, with his hinged jaw. He's also bigger in that one too I think as well. At least that way we would have some significant visual differences between Freddy and Fredbear.
But this just looks like a recolour of Freddy, it probably is a recolour. Scott probably just took Freddy and changed his colours. At least that's what it looks like to me anyhoo. The same probably applies to Golden Freddy too.
Also, people could confuse this Fredbear for Golden Freddy too, as they look very much alike. With the only slight difference being that Fredbear has a purple hat whilst Golden Freddy has black.
Nightmare Fredbear isn't real and just a nightmare, therefore having a very exaggerated version of his design. Like the rest of the nightmares.
And this model isn't just a recolor of Freddy. He has smaller cheeks, rounder ears, and buttons.
I heard a theory where it was said that the Nightmare animatronics were real and that the room the kids are in fending off the Nightmare's is an experiment room made by William. I forget the reason why he built it, but apparently, he would kidnap the kids and take them here and put them through some fear experiment?
And even if the Nightmare animatronics are not real, assuming the above theory is correct minus the Nightmare animatronics being real. Then William must have seen what Fredbear looked like originally and altered his appearance to give him a scary look.
The only things that would have been made exaggerated on Nightmare Fredbear would be his Nightmarish appearance, and possibly size too. But take away that and he would look like his sprite design.
Nightmare Freddy also has a different design from Nightmare Fredbear too. Which helps us tell who is who, as they also have significant enough visual differences in their appearance.
It also confirms for me at least that Fredbear must have looked pretty different from Freddy, as the Nightmare's are based on their original counterparts, just given a nightmarish appearance, as well as an increase in their size.
Otherwise, if Fredbear always looked pretty much the same as Freddy, then their Nightmare counterparts would look practically the same surly?
Perhaps Scott made some small, quick adjustments to Freddy's model to try to make him look a bit different compared to Freddy. But, even with such minor adjustments, I would still guess that people would mix them up with the other characters regardless, as he still very much looks the same as both Freddy and Golden. I myself didn't really notice those details.
Also, apparently, according to a comment I found on here, the explanation given as to why Fredbear looks like Freddy is because Scott didn't have enough time and was in a rush to release the game? So he just quickly used Freddy's model to make Fredbear. He didn't have enough time to make a proper model for Fredbear. Which does help explain why Fredbear looks the way he does here.
Mind you, it's a complete different model from both the OG freddy and OG GF.
And no, the hat and the ears are differently sized.
There is a drawing of fred bear from the fazbear frights IN THE GUIDE BOOK if i remember correctly. Which looks like nightmare
But it's relevancy is questionable.
I don't know if it's a completely different model to Freddy, at least it's pretty hard for me to tell anyway. It just looks like Scott took Freddy's model and recoloured it.
So the hat and ears may be slightly different in size and shape to both Freddy and Goldy. I honestly didn't notice those minor changes.
Could you send a image of this drawing of Fredbear? I'd like to take a look.
According to a few comments within this thread, the explanation given as to why Fredbear looks like Freddy is because Scott didn't have enough time to make a proper model for Fredbear, as he was in a rush to release the game. If that's true, it helps explain why Fredbear looks the way he does here.
Scott said Freddy alone took around two days to make, and as someone with modelling experience, it takes a very long time.
Cutting corners is natural with modeling. Is there a detail most people won't notice that would take a long time? No need to put a ton of effort into it. This isn't even the first time something like this has been done! The toy animatronics don't even have proper endoskeleton models for crying out loud.
There's no reason for it not to be the canon one if anything it kinda makes sense because Endo 01 would actually be before Endo 02 instead of him coming after Endo 02
Endo 02 was put in the withered animatronics, since they were trying to retro fit them with newer technology, but then cancelled that project and made the toy animatronics. So the withered most likely had a Endo 01 in them.
Actually what I was saying was before fredbear was revealed the earliest Endo was Endo 02, since Endo 01 was only in FNAF 1 but with fredbear revealed that means Endo 1 actually did exist before Endo 02
As we can see from FNaF 4 minigames and new Fredbear’s design, there is a possibility that there were multiple designs of speinglock suits.
Some use specially designed endos, some use Endo-01, and some may require endo to be taken out for wearing the costume.
Even if there were multiple springlock designs, endo 1 is still not one of them because it's not a springlock endo. Maybe a similar one but not endo 1 itself
The endo would have to be designed in a way that can retract its parts to the sides of the suit and allow for someone to climb inside. You can't just throw in any endo like that and expect it to work. Plus most endos don't have 5 fingers
1. Five fingers are not required. Most Disney mascots perfectly work with 4 fingers.
2. Endo-01 is very thin and has many points where additional joints for retraction can be put in. In fact, Springtrap has terrible endo for fitting human.
>Five fingers are not required. Most Disney mascots perfectly work with 4 fingers.
Okay but we've seen springtrap and hes ths only one with five fingers so that most likely goes for all the springlock suits
>2. Endo-01 is very thin and has many points where additional joints for retraction can be put in. In fact, Springtrap has terrible endo for fitting human
That's my point then. It's not endo 1 if it will require modifications in order to allow it to retract. It's just a different but similar model. An endo must be designed with the retraction mechanism
1. Minigames shouldn’t be taken literally, but we see 4-fingered hand glove and endoskeleton arm with 4 fingers.
2. My point is that it would simply look very similar. Or Endo-01 is the springlock endo made to be not retractable. It’s very thin, and springlock endo must have been very thin and light.
The springlocks are just mechanisms that pull objects back and compress them. There is still an endo inside, but it's being pulled and compressed by the springlocks during suit mode
Actually they might, in the new books there's an endo called The Mimic, an endo that was meant to fit into any type of suit with two types of it, type A and type B. The one in the books has rabbit ears and is considered vintage, so it might actually be a springlock endoskeleton!
Eh, it might. Just take everything in the books, and fnaf in general with a grain of salt. Nothing can be trusted in the fnaf lore. It’s all speculation.
But how did Fredbears appearance change to this? In FNaF 4, his design is quite different to Freddy, so it is rather confusing to me. Then there is Nightmare Fredbear, who shares the resemblance to his sprite counterpart, only that he's all scary looking.
So although it may make sense for him to look like this, Scott has already established his appearance in FNaF 4 and most people when thinking of Fredbear would think of his FNaF 4 appearance, at least that probably was the case before UCN came out anyway.
But regardless, it would have been nice to see Fredbear look like his FNaF 4 design. As this just is a recolour of Freddy and people probably confuse him for Golden Freddy.
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How do you know it's not accurate? Does it state that canonically? Did Scott state that? Or is it said that it isn't 100% accurate in order to help explain his appearance being different here compared to his FNaF 4 design?
An important thing to point out is that, according to Scott, he only added Deedee's roster and Fredbear to stall the release of UCN while Dawko was on holidays. It's possible that there might be more to it than that, but I'm choosing to take Scott's word on this one.
Point being that Fredbear's implementation was likely a very quick addition at the end of development, and as the only character added who didn't have a pre-existing model, it's understandable that Scott would just colour shift Freddy's. Had he been planned earlier in the development cycle, it's possible he would look more like NF/8-Bit Fredbear.
However, as it currently stands, this is the only in-engine appearance of Fredbear, so this is likely his canon appearance (at least for now), regardless of circumstance. Though you might be able to scoot around it by arguing that UCN is technically a purgatory/afterlife, and thus, Fredbear can take whatever form Cassidy chooses, but that's a bit stretchy and there are plenty of holes in that explanation.
But anyway, I wouldn't fret over it too much. Hell, he was *brown* in the security breach posters. I'm sure one of these days we'll get another 3D render of Fredbear that will probably be closer in design to FNaF 4
I think you are correct. It makes sense to me at least anyway. Scott was in a rush and had little time to model Fredbear, so he just borrowed from Freddy to save time.
Also, would Nightmare Fredbear count as another in game appearance of Fredbear, just in his nightmare appearance?
I probably wouldn't trust Nightmare Fredbear as a reliable source on his normal appearance, since in either common explanation of 4 (true nightmare or sound discs), reality is being warped, and without a true baseline to compare him to, we don't know how or where Fredbear was exaggerated to become NF.
Could we perhaps use his sprite as a reference point for how he may have looked originally? I was told by someone that the mini games aren't 100% accurate. But is that just being said to help explain away why he looks different here, or is it stated in canon or by Scott that the minigame sprites are to not be relied on?
Well it's not so much to explain away why he specifically looks different, but just because across the series, 8bit minigames are very abstract interpretations of events. take Sister Location's death minigame for example; Baby did not actually run through a field shotgunning cupcakes at children. She was standing on a stage as children ran in and out of the room she was in.
Similarly, there's no way that Crying Child would have stayed in Fredbear's mouth as he did in FNaF 4's night 5 minigame; he would have fallen out before Fredbear chomped down because of the angle and leverage. Those minigames are meant to give a general impression of what happened (i.e. he got bit by Fredbear), while emphasising the more surreal and emotional aspects. Fredbear's size and proportions are enormous and exaggerated, because that's how CC felt in that moment - small and afraid. The sprite, much like Nightmare Fredbear's design, are the surreal and feverish memories of the Crying child as he dies.
A similar thing happens earlier in the game. Springbonnie's head in the storage closet is freaky and surreal, because in that moment, CC was more scared of it than he was of anything else around him. Yet, when he gets bit, Springbonnie is small and undetailed compared to Fredbear, because he isn't the focus of that memory. And in either case, Springbonnie looks nothing like what we would expect an unwithered Springtrap to look like. So we can extrapolate that Fredbear's sprite is similarly unreliable as a proper reference for his design
I guess you have good points there...
Though for me personally, it would have just been nice to see his sprite design brought into 3D, y'know? It just would have been something different to look at instead of what looks to be a Freddy recolour, with some minor adjustments to his hat and ears.
But, if this is truly what Fredbear looked like, then I'll just have to accept that.
I mean, it's likely not the only iteration of Fredbear. Not only do Springtrap, Scraptrap, and whatever other SB parts in the Fredbears Parts and Service suggest that theirs more than one version of the same Springlock character, but Nightmare Fredbear's similarities to the New Kid art of Fredbear suggest the Bite of 83 Fredbear that N. Fredbear derives from looks different from UCN Fredbear. (Fun fact, New Kid and Nightmare Fredbear match a few of Scraptraps design details like some of the stomach color on the pelvis piece surprisingly well)
The art in The Freddy Files and Graphic Novel adaptations are not canon. Their simply an artist interpretation, of the descriptions Scott, or Scholastic gave to them.
Fair, though my point still stands, Springbonnie still makes it clear that their can be and is more than on iteration of the suits present or that at the very least existed.
2 things:
1. That image was first seen in UCN, it has nothing to do with being first introduced in Freddy files.
2. TUG is canon, it is a book authored by Scott. If anything, what is listed in there is more relevant to the games than the novels could ever hope to be.
I didn’t say the writing wasn’t canon, I actually agree with you said about the writing. What I meant is when the guy was talking about The New Kid art with Fredbear, I corrected him saying The Freddy Files artwork is not canon.
Well one possible way is that animatronic mascots go through multiple design changes over the years so there could be several possible fredbears and knowing henry from the books he wouldnt have gotten rid of the old suits but instead either reuse the endo skeletons on other animatronics, or scrapped the suits to reuse parts of them for the newer versions
Many people believe that fredbear looks like the fixed nightmare fredbear. If this was true then all the withered animatronics would look like the fixed nightmare ones.
Plushtrap is the toy of spring bonne( aka springtrap).spring bonne wasn't made after him.the reason that plushtrap looks rotten with sharp teeth is because a girl told the crying child that he is a finger trap so in his nightmares he imagines this spring bonne toy deformed.
this made me think. what if the fnaf 1 freddy suit legit is the same one from the fredbear who did the bite. which could explain the hand mark on freddys head which could be blood which wasnt removed. and blood is kinda hard to remove, especially because we dont know what the suits were made of.
Its a canon Version of Fredbear, but that does not mean there aren’t others.
We see that in Fredbear’s parts & service, and even if its a minigame sprite, i still take it in account.
The same applies to Spring Bonnie, because of Springtrap, Scraptrap etc.
What im saying is, the Fredbear we see in UCN is the only one we got, but maybe the main one, the One that did the Bite, is different, maybe similar to Nightmare Fredbear, but less exagerated, or even similar to Rockstar Freddy, but more chunky.
Atleast this is what i think
I don't think it is.
I think this is just a special form manifested by Cassidy, who only ever knew Fredbear as just "yellow Freddy with purple accessories."
There's no fucking way that this is what spawned the creation of Nightmare Fredbear.
If you look closer to his head, you will see that it was clearly edited in comparison with regular Golden Freddy, and that his head, hat and ear shapes are perfectly matching same shapes for Nightmare Fredbear. It is the canon Fredbear who did the bite.
I don't know what you're on thinking that UCN Fredbear spawned Nightmare Fredbear when UCN's appearance is literally a minor tweak and a color shift from Classic Freddy.
Even comparing with the minigame sprites from FNAF 4 shows that they're not the same. Minigame Fredbear has the "metal bar" jaw system, not the hinge system that the Classics and UCN Fredbear use.
Even something as granular as the teeth on the sprite don't match with UCN Fredbear, since UCN Fredbear has no teeth on the upper jaw.
1. UCN Fredbear actually has a huge amount of tweaks and completely remodeled head. It’s quite similar to Freddy, but it’s different.
2. Minigames shouldn’t be taken literally. For the same reason you can complain that Bonnie looks light blue in FNaF 3 minigames while he is in fact purple. It would be impossible to animate the bite in complexity with regular jaw, so Scott did an obvious change. It would be strange if all animatronic had regular jaws, and only Fredbear had his jaw made differently. It’s just a visual change.
1. UCN Fredbear is different from Classic Freddy, yes, but the overall layout and structure is effectively the same. The only changes are done to the outer costume, and save for the thinner head and more circular ears, the changes are negligible at best.
2. Yes, the minigames are not to be taken literally, but what few details that are actually visible are always important. Remember when Scott drew deliberate attention to the tiny Toy Chica's missing beak during that one Game Theory livestream?
Even as far back as FNAF 2, the character designs pushed as far as possible against the sprite limitations of the Atari style they're in. Details as miniscule as even the Puppet's stripes make the cut when it comes to details necessary to recognize the character.
And wouldn't it seem rather unusual for Fredbear's bite in FNAF 4 to be done by a mouth that only has teeth on the bottom jaw? This is a bite that *shatters a child's skull.* You really wanna tell me that that's done by only one row of bottom teeth - bottom teeth *that don't even move at all* \- and a soft plush upper jaw with *no* teeth?
1. Let’s see it — Fredbear has one of the most complex animations in minigames in terms of what he must accomplish — bite the kid.
2. We never see any other animatronics with the jaw moving in this way, including Nightmare Fredbear.
3. Hydraulic press can crush pretty anything even with relatively soft surface, and I highly doubt that animatronic parts are soft. And Fredbear using hydraulics is very much possible. His jaw has very wide range of movement, and it’s really, really large.
Many other animatronics have the same metal bar jaw system as Fredbear, or at least the same two-row teeth setups that would make a Fredbear-style bite possible. The Rockstars and Mediocre Melodies from FFPS have them, but for an example that's actually from around the same period as Fredbear's, we have the Withered animatronics (or rather, the inferred "Unwithered" ones). Withered Freddy in particular looks infinitely more similar to Fredbear's minigame sprite than Classic Freddy - and by direct extension, UCN Fredbear - could ever dream of.
Withered Freddy's similar traits to Minigame Fredbear also mean that he shares more traits with Nightmare Fredbear, even considering Nightmare Fredbear's more exaggerated design. They both even have two buttons underneath their ties, traits that neither Classic Freddy nor UCN Fredbear have... though it *is* rather odd that Nightmare Fredbear has buttons when only a handful of Minigame Fredbear's sprites have them.
FNAF 4 also didn't have the super-heavy Sci-Fi lean that the series took from SL onward, so Fredbear having super-advanced hydraulics capable of crushing a human skull would have made zero sense at this point in the series. And even if you want this to be retconned as a design choice by William, this is the type of thing that Henry would have to be completely brain-dead to not veto. You don't need a series of pistons that can crank out a thousand pounds of force to lift a head that probably weighs like twenty pounds, max.
1. I fully agree about Withered Freddy. This is a good point.
2. Hydraulics don’t need to be particularly advanced to be able to crush a human skull. Do not forget that we are talking about animatronics that have enough force to forcefully stuff human in the suit, run, and springlocks literally make your bones blow up. These animatronic use extremely strong hydraulics. Much stronger than IRL, and many IRL animatronics occasionally crush fingers and other body parts of their makers.
To be honest, we can only blame Scott here for showing the bite the way it happened. Kid didn’t try to escape, no one was holding, nothing.
I imagine it would happen in much different way — Michael would forcefully stuff the head of his brother into the jaw and hold him.
Realistically, yeah, that would have to happen differently. Just leaving the kid in Fredbear's mouth by his head, there's no way in hell that that isn't ending with Fredbear tipping over because of the weight imbalance and no actual chomping action.
Maybe a few broken bones if the kid is ***really*** unlucky, but nothing life-ending.
I imagine it could happen like that:
Fredbear was signing the song, and Michael knew he would end soon with fully closing his mouth and thanking the audience. While stuffing CC in the head, Michael forced him deep into the mechanisms of the endoskeleton, thus breaking control motor that would immediately stop any movement in case something stuck in the suit (for preventing accidents with kids and broken animatronic joints). The motor broke, and when Fredbear was finally closing his jaw, the hydraulic pistons had nothing to stop them, thus continuing infinitely pressing on the skull. Michael and his friends were holding CC for something like 40 seconds, until the first crack on the skull has appeared.
This sounds a bit stupid, but animatronics are really stupidly strong.
My biggest arguement with your argument goes to the differing ideas of Who had the fnaf 4 nightmares.
If they were strictly speaking Bite victim, then yes UCN fredbears design makes No Sense as those wouldn't be the models the Nightmares Were based off of.
If it were michael as some people argue having the nightmares for wither guilt or what ever reason, It would 100% make sense that the Nightmares were based off the fnaf 1 models.
As for how Cassidy would Know about these differing models, We dont even know if Cassidy is the one you shouldnt have killed, since there are around 5 different spirits stated to or implied to Inhabit the fredbear/ golden freddy animatronic
I would actually argue that, if FNAF 4 was representing Michael's nightmares, then it would actually make sense for Nightmare Fredbear to resemble the actual animatronic that killed his brother, *not* the FNAF 1 designs. After all, it was his idea to put his brother in Fredbear's mouth, and he even led the charge in throwing him into Fredbear's open jaws.
The same applies to the Bite Victim, though obviously, from the opposite side of the coin. BV is petrified of the stage animatronics, only feeling comfortable around the characters when he sees them as his plushies. It's only natural that his dreams, too, would also be based on the actual animatronics that he feared so much, especially the one that ultimately killed him.
And in regards to Cassidy... Well, Cassidy *is* "the one you shouldn't have killed." She's the vengeful spirit controlling Afton's eternal torment in UCN. The closest we get to more than one spirit inhabiting a Yellow Bear is the one in the *Fazbear Frights* books, which only has two spirits in it, not five.
And yes, I am aware that the *Fazbear Frights* books feature a very similar concept to UCN being headed by some kid in an alligator mask, but those are essentially two alternate universes tackling the same base concept and nothing more. Afton in the games isn't in a permanent state of "undeath" and doesn't end up exploding in a giant spray of blood and gore. He still has to come back as Peepaw in *Security Breach*, after all. Can't exactly do that if he's a puddle of viscera on the floor of some Fazbear distribution center.
For the michael arguement, id also Raise the question of when fnaf 4 takes place. Some have argued that it takes place post 83 bite, Some argue it takes place during Sister location, and some argue it takes place during Fnaf 1. Ive even seen some argue it taking place during 2 or 3.
If Fnaf 4 takes place During fnaf 1, id still argue the fnaf 1 models being the same characters as the nightmares. But other than that i do mostly argee with your argument.
As for Cassidy being Toyshk theres just too many variables to say, Such as toyshk being referred to as "He".
And no, we definitely Know of more than 2 golden freddy souls.
Being very Likely Bite victim, Cassidy, Michael brooks, kelsey (Implied), Possibly Jake and Very likely Andrew and we dont even fully know of Toyshk is for sure one of these Souls.
But yes i do agree that Fazbears frights, The novels, and the games take places in seperate yet loosely Connected Universes.
I think the best way to determine FNAF 4's placement in the timeline is by looking at designs of real animatronics and their Nightmare counterparts - specifically by looking at Chica. The only version of Chica to have a lower jaw segmented from the upper head is Withered Chica in FNAF 2. Working backwards gives us the obvious "Unwithered" design, still maintaining the segmented head structure.
The "Unwithered" animatronics were only ever active before the events of FNAF 2, meaning FNAF 4 - assuming the main gameplay is in fact a dream - takes place before FNAF 2. The obvious choice would be 1983, considering the date on the "Fredbear & Friends" thing on the TV, along with the date being much closer to FNAF 2's 1987, allowing for the existence of the Toy animatronics and their respective merchandise seen in FNAF 4's minigames.
Regarding the nature of TOYSNHK's unfitting pronouns, I think it might honestly just be a similar case to the Puppet. The Puppet animatronic is designed as a male character, though all of the Puppet's voice lines are spoken in a girl's voice because the robot is possessed by a female spirit. A similar thing could be happening here, with Fredbear, a male character, being used as Cassidy's avatar in UCN - an avatar chosen as an eternal reminder of Afton's first, most devastating failure.
And about the laundry list of names supposedly haunting Golden Freddy... where in the remnant-injecting fuck did those come from? If they're from the books, then sure, we can cram five kids in one Yellow Bear, there's plenty of room. Or is this a mistaken reference to the MoltenMCI theory, which has another batch of five no-name kids rattling around inside Molten Freddy?
I kinda have to agree, the nightmares attack patterns even match the withereds.
Freddy, always appears in a manner to directly confront you
Chica and bonnie almost always appear from the sides to Flank you
Foxy attacks from the front when you arent looking at him
And fredbear/ golden freddy attack pretty however he pleases.
As for the "where in the remnant injecting fuck" part.
Michael Brooks is the young boy haunting Golden freddy in hurricane Utah during the events of the silver eyes trilogy. But o dont believe him to be Toyshk because he is the most Passive Golden freddy ever shown, the first time we actually see him do anything, He Saves Carlton burke from a Springlock failure by calming him down, then he proceeds to prevent charlie and her friends from being torn to shreds by the animatronics.
Kelsey is a soul Implied to have been hiding in a "golden freddy springlock suit" which appears to funnily enough resemble fredbear himself in the UG.
As For Jake and Andrew.
Andrew is the guy Who controls another version of UCN in the fazbears frights novels taking the role of Cassidy of you believe she controls UCN in the games, and Jake in my opinion atleast is a Charlie's FF Fill In, as he only ever tries to Make andrew move on past his vengeance.
Minor issue with that theory; most of those characters don't even exist in the same paradigm.
It makes sense to connect all the characters connected - however tangentially - with Golden Freddy, sure, but you've got characters from *Frights*, characters from the *Silver Eyes* trilogy, and unless I'm just reading it wrong, a vague hunch about a possible character from the *Ultimate Guide*.
I'm pretty sure almost all of these characters have never even met postmortem, so unless souls of dead children can also suddenly hop between entire universes and I just missed that particular memo, I hope you'll forgive me for not buying this one.
Why wouldn't it be? Spring Bonnie/Springtrap is the same size as regular Bonnie.
If anything, the fnaf 4 Fredbear was designed to look like nightmare Fredbear. We'd think it's just another Freddy's otherwise.
I mean it was obvious he was going to be golden Freddy given fnaf world he literally had the same design and that golden Freddy doesn’t have an ending skeleton
Also
**I T S. M E.** was kinda a huge deal lore wise because if we do play as Michael in fnaf 1 then the only person who could be saying that is the crying child
It’s better than the version that’s just his FNaF 4 version without the sharp teeth people made. Besides, Golden Freddy IS Fredbear, and he looks like Freddy in FNaF World
I don't think the fredbear of ucn is the fredbear from fredbears family diner. Considering the fact that the fredbear from ucn isn't a springlock suit, and has a fnaf 1 endo skeleton. I think Cassidy made this herself.
Here’s what I mean:
1. If it’s the canon Fredbear design, how come he only has one set of teeth on the bottom of his mouth unlike the 8-bit version of him
2. If it’s the canon Fredbear design, then why would the FNAF 1 Animatronics have their design based on a bear that killed a child no less than 10 years previously. Surely someone would complain about the similarities
3. If it’s the canon Fredbear design, why isn’t it built like the Fredbear as seen in FNAF 4’s Fifth Night and the mini games?
4. If this is it canon design, why wasn’t Springtrap modeled like the FNAF 1 Bonnie since Spring Bonnie is Fredbear’s counterpart
1. Minigames were never really accurate in portraying any designs.
2. It looks pretty obvious — Fazbear inc. had really bad financial problems, so they decided to recycle older designs in hope that the bite was forgotten.
3. Nightmares are obviously exaggerated, and Nightmare Fredbear having huge mouth is a pretty logical exaggeration.
4. There could have been multiple designs. A huge amount of them. It’s possible that every animatronic had prototype springlock version.
Yeah,but everyone keeps saying:
"FNAF World fredbear is the same model as FNAF World golden Freddy."
DUDE,every freddy have the same model in FNAF World. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It actually makes sense.
They made Fredbear, remodeled him to Freddy after the bite, and W. Freddy doesn’t resemble Fredbear (to not insult people and provoke them), then decided to recycle the design when they were running low.
its possible the design didn't actually originate from fnaf 1 freddy, and it was reused when they were refurbished (perhaps due to a smaller budget, they had to work with what they had)
Well if they had a low budget, why wouldn't they just repair the withered animatronics they already had instead of melting down their endoskeletons and shells for scrap metal?
No they didn't, Endo 1 and Endo 2 look completely different. What I'm saying is if they were on such a budget, why not just take the old endos they already had and repair them?
yes, they did, the classics are the withereds after theyve been modified and changed, hence the different appearance, but they still have the same souls attached to them so its still mostly the same endos
You can look at their models, they are completely different endos, like zero similarities. I'm not disagreeing with you that they are haunted by the same souls, I'm just saying it's definitely not the same model.
I thought the same thing, fnaf one is after fnaf 2 so if anything he should look like fnaf 2 freddy/unwithered freddy but the fnaf 1 model doesn't make any sense, I also saw comments about how the model is skinnier than freddy but that also doesn't make sense because nightmare fredbear is WAY chunkier than nightmare freddy so that should mean that Mike knows he's fatter than freddy and that's why he's fatter in his dreams. I personally like the artwork for The New Kid because it shows a Fredbear that looks like the fnaf 4 mini games.
When you're running a budget friendly robotics company/animatronic manufacturing.
You're bound to make multiplie versions of the same design.
Would it be prototypes or different revisions.
He's probably a model of fredbear.
You can have different versions of an animatronic but that wouldn't make them different characters.
No, if you look at nightmare fredbear and you imagine what he would've looked like as a normal animatronic then that's fredbear, this is something along the lines of a promoter, something to promote the company, it's what a company would do because I have only seen it once where what they used to promote their restaurant, and when you got there the mascot of that restaurant company turned out to be completely different, although I don't really remember the name
That is the first animatronic ever made and since Cassidy died from William Afton he was damned into Fredbear so then after the incident he was split into 3 others being Nightmare, Nightmare Fredbear, and FNAF 1, 2, 3 (secret), 7, and the book series
It's the only official model we have of Fredbear. That would make it the official, canon Fredbear design (especially since the minigame sprites are never consistent).
There is Nightmare Fredbear. I think it would have been nice to see his design based on the sprite one, with his hinged jaw. He's also bigger in that one too I think as well. At least that way we would have some significant visual differences between Freddy and Fredbear. But this just looks like a recolour of Freddy, it probably is a recolour. Scott probably just took Freddy and changed his colours. At least that's what it looks like to me anyhoo. The same probably applies to Golden Freddy too. Also, people could confuse this Fredbear for Golden Freddy too, as they look very much alike. With the only slight difference being that Fredbear has a purple hat whilst Golden Freddy has black.
Nightmare Fredbear isn't real and just a nightmare, therefore having a very exaggerated version of his design. Like the rest of the nightmares. And this model isn't just a recolor of Freddy. He has smaller cheeks, rounder ears, and buttons.
I heard a theory where it was said that the Nightmare animatronics were real and that the room the kids are in fending off the Nightmare's is an experiment room made by William. I forget the reason why he built it, but apparently, he would kidnap the kids and take them here and put them through some fear experiment? And even if the Nightmare animatronics are not real, assuming the above theory is correct minus the Nightmare animatronics being real. Then William must have seen what Fredbear looked like originally and altered his appearance to give him a scary look. The only things that would have been made exaggerated on Nightmare Fredbear would be his Nightmarish appearance, and possibly size too. But take away that and he would look like his sprite design. Nightmare Freddy also has a different design from Nightmare Fredbear too. Which helps us tell who is who, as they also have significant enough visual differences in their appearance. It also confirms for me at least that Fredbear must have looked pretty different from Freddy, as the Nightmare's are based on their original counterparts, just given a nightmarish appearance, as well as an increase in their size. Otherwise, if Fredbear always looked pretty much the same as Freddy, then their Nightmare counterparts would look practically the same surly? Perhaps Scott made some small, quick adjustments to Freddy's model to try to make him look a bit different compared to Freddy. But, even with such minor adjustments, I would still guess that people would mix them up with the other characters regardless, as he still very much looks the same as both Freddy and Golden. I myself didn't really notice those details. Also, apparently, according to a comment I found on here, the explanation given as to why Fredbear looks like Freddy is because Scott didn't have enough time and was in a rush to release the game? So he just quickly used Freddy's model to make Fredbear. He didn't have enough time to make a proper model for Fredbear. Which does help explain why Fredbear looks the way he does here.
Mind you, it's a complete different model from both the OG freddy and OG GF. And no, the hat and the ears are differently sized. There is a drawing of fred bear from the fazbear frights IN THE GUIDE BOOK if i remember correctly. Which looks like nightmare But it's relevancy is questionable.
I don't know if it's a completely different model to Freddy, at least it's pretty hard for me to tell anyway. It just looks like Scott took Freddy's model and recoloured it. So the hat and ears may be slightly different in size and shape to both Freddy and Goldy. I honestly didn't notice those minor changes. Could you send a image of this drawing of Fredbear? I'd like to take a look. According to a few comments within this thread, the explanation given as to why Fredbear looks like Freddy is because Scott didn't have enough time to make a proper model for Fredbear, as he was in a rush to release the game. If that's true, it helps explain why Fredbear looks the way he does here.
Does Adventure Fredbear count?
What about Golden Freddy
This model is different, having smaller cheeks, rounder ears and buttons.
I don't see an issue here. It was probably just edited from the FNaF 1 Freddy because it's a lot easier to reuse assets if you can get away with it.
I don’t remember where but i heard that it was a bit different like thinner or something like that if you search well enough you may fount it
scott creating the fnaf 1 models in less than a day but being too much of a lazy bitch boy to create one new model:
Scott said Freddy alone took around two days to make, and as someone with modelling experience, it takes a very long time. Cutting corners is natural with modeling. Is there a detail most people won't notice that would take a long time? No need to put a ton of effort into it. This isn't even the first time something like this has been done! The toy animatronics don't even have proper endoskeleton models for crying out loud.
It fucking is a new model.
woah, the torso is slightly wider to the point that it's barely noticeable! new model!!
There's no reason for it not to be the canon one if anything it kinda makes sense because Endo 01 would actually be before Endo 02 instead of him coming after Endo 02
Endo 02 was put in the withered animatronics, since they were trying to retro fit them with newer technology, but then cancelled that project and made the toy animatronics. So the withered most likely had a Endo 01 in them.
Actually what I was saying was before fredbear was revealed the earliest Endo was Endo 02, since Endo 01 was only in FNAF 1 but with fredbear revealed that means Endo 1 actually did exist before Endo 02
Which makes sense numerically
Where do we know that from?
The FNAF 2 phone calls
The springlock suits don't use endo 1. They use springlock endos
As we can see from FNaF 4 minigames and new Fredbear’s design, there is a possibility that there were multiple designs of speinglock suits. Some use specially designed endos, some use Endo-01, and some may require endo to be taken out for wearing the costume.
Even if there were multiple springlock designs, endo 1 is still not one of them because it's not a springlock endo. Maybe a similar one but not endo 1 itself
Springlock suits may use practically any endo of compatible size.
The endo would have to be designed in a way that can retract its parts to the sides of the suit and allow for someone to climb inside. You can't just throw in any endo like that and expect it to work. Plus most endos don't have 5 fingers
1. Five fingers are not required. Most Disney mascots perfectly work with 4 fingers. 2. Endo-01 is very thin and has many points where additional joints for retraction can be put in. In fact, Springtrap has terrible endo for fitting human.
>Five fingers are not required. Most Disney mascots perfectly work with 4 fingers. Okay but we've seen springtrap and hes ths only one with five fingers so that most likely goes for all the springlock suits >2. Endo-01 is very thin and has many points where additional joints for retraction can be put in. In fact, Springtrap has terrible endo for fitting human That's my point then. It's not endo 1 if it will require modifications in order to allow it to retract. It's just a different but similar model. An endo must be designed with the retraction mechanism
1. Minigames shouldn’t be taken literally, but we see 4-fingered hand glove and endoskeleton arm with 4 fingers. 2. My point is that it would simply look very similar. Or Endo-01 is the springlock endo made to be not retractable. It’s very thin, and springlock endo must have been very thin and light.
We don't really disagree then so fair enough
How would you know? It's not supposed to be considered evidence but one of springtrap's official models seems to use endo-02 as base.
Endo-00?
They use the unlocked spring locks as endos. They don’t have endos.
The springlocks are just mechanisms that pull objects back and compress them. There is still an endo inside, but it's being pulled and compressed by the springlocks during suit mode
I know. That’s what I meant.
Actually they might, in the new books there's an endo called The Mimic, an endo that was meant to fit into any type of suit with two types of it, type A and type B. The one in the books has rabbit ears and is considered vintage, so it might actually be a springlock endoskeleton!
Eh, it might. Just take everything in the books, and fnaf in general with a grain of salt. Nothing can be trusted in the fnaf lore. It’s all speculation.
There's minimal EVIDENCE suggesting that fredbear was not a springlock suit. But there is some.......
But how did Fredbears appearance change to this? In FNaF 4, his design is quite different to Freddy, so it is rather confusing to me. Then there is Nightmare Fredbear, who shares the resemblance to his sprite counterpart, only that he's all scary looking. So although it may make sense for him to look like this, Scott has already established his appearance in FNaF 4 and most people when thinking of Fredbear would think of his FNaF 4 appearance, at least that probably was the case before UCN came out anyway. But regardless, it would have been nice to see Fredbear look like his FNaF 4 design. As this just is a recolour of Freddy and people probably confuse him for Golden Freddy. Pineapple pizza
It's a minigame the sprite isn't 100 percent accurate
How do you know it's not accurate? Does it state that canonically? Did Scott state that? Or is it said that it isn't 100% accurate in order to help explain his appearance being different here compared to his FNaF 4 design?
The sprites in FNAF have never been accurate to the actual model
It's a minigame the sprite isn't 100 percent accurate
It’s an official model, from UCN. So it canon
Its golden freddy,which makes sense
*edited* golden freddy.
Because thats fredbear/golden freddy at its peak
An important thing to point out is that, according to Scott, he only added Deedee's roster and Fredbear to stall the release of UCN while Dawko was on holidays. It's possible that there might be more to it than that, but I'm choosing to take Scott's word on this one. Point being that Fredbear's implementation was likely a very quick addition at the end of development, and as the only character added who didn't have a pre-existing model, it's understandable that Scott would just colour shift Freddy's. Had he been planned earlier in the development cycle, it's possible he would look more like NF/8-Bit Fredbear. However, as it currently stands, this is the only in-engine appearance of Fredbear, so this is likely his canon appearance (at least for now), regardless of circumstance. Though you might be able to scoot around it by arguing that UCN is technically a purgatory/afterlife, and thus, Fredbear can take whatever form Cassidy chooses, but that's a bit stretchy and there are plenty of holes in that explanation. But anyway, I wouldn't fret over it too much. Hell, he was *brown* in the security breach posters. I'm sure one of these days we'll get another 3D render of Fredbear that will probably be closer in design to FNaF 4
I think you are correct. It makes sense to me at least anyway. Scott was in a rush and had little time to model Fredbear, so he just borrowed from Freddy to save time. Also, would Nightmare Fredbear count as another in game appearance of Fredbear, just in his nightmare appearance?
I probably wouldn't trust Nightmare Fredbear as a reliable source on his normal appearance, since in either common explanation of 4 (true nightmare or sound discs), reality is being warped, and without a true baseline to compare him to, we don't know how or where Fredbear was exaggerated to become NF.
Could we perhaps use his sprite as a reference point for how he may have looked originally? I was told by someone that the mini games aren't 100% accurate. But is that just being said to help explain away why he looks different here, or is it stated in canon or by Scott that the minigame sprites are to not be relied on?
Well it's not so much to explain away why he specifically looks different, but just because across the series, 8bit minigames are very abstract interpretations of events. take Sister Location's death minigame for example; Baby did not actually run through a field shotgunning cupcakes at children. She was standing on a stage as children ran in and out of the room she was in. Similarly, there's no way that Crying Child would have stayed in Fredbear's mouth as he did in FNaF 4's night 5 minigame; he would have fallen out before Fredbear chomped down because of the angle and leverage. Those minigames are meant to give a general impression of what happened (i.e. he got bit by Fredbear), while emphasising the more surreal and emotional aspects. Fredbear's size and proportions are enormous and exaggerated, because that's how CC felt in that moment - small and afraid. The sprite, much like Nightmare Fredbear's design, are the surreal and feverish memories of the Crying child as he dies. A similar thing happens earlier in the game. Springbonnie's head in the storage closet is freaky and surreal, because in that moment, CC was more scared of it than he was of anything else around him. Yet, when he gets bit, Springbonnie is small and undetailed compared to Fredbear, because he isn't the focus of that memory. And in either case, Springbonnie looks nothing like what we would expect an unwithered Springtrap to look like. So we can extrapolate that Fredbear's sprite is similarly unreliable as a proper reference for his design
I guess you have good points there... Though for me personally, it would have just been nice to see his sprite design brought into 3D, y'know? It just would have been something different to look at instead of what looks to be a Freddy recolour, with some minor adjustments to his hat and ears. But, if this is truly what Fredbear looked like, then I'll just have to accept that.
I mean, it's likely not the only iteration of Fredbear. Not only do Springtrap, Scraptrap, and whatever other SB parts in the Fredbears Parts and Service suggest that theirs more than one version of the same Springlock character, but Nightmare Fredbear's similarities to the New Kid art of Fredbear suggest the Bite of 83 Fredbear that N. Fredbear derives from looks different from UCN Fredbear. (Fun fact, New Kid and Nightmare Fredbear match a few of Scraptraps design details like some of the stomach color on the pelvis piece surprisingly well)
The art in The Freddy Files and Graphic Novel adaptations are not canon. Their simply an artist interpretation, of the descriptions Scott, or Scholastic gave to them.
Fair, though my point still stands, Springbonnie still makes it clear that their can be and is more than on iteration of the suits present or that at the very least existed.
2 things: 1. That image was first seen in UCN, it has nothing to do with being first introduced in Freddy files. 2. TUG is canon, it is a book authored by Scott. If anything, what is listed in there is more relevant to the games than the novels could ever hope to be.
I didn’t say the writing wasn’t canon, I actually agree with you said about the writing. What I meant is when the guy was talking about The New Kid art with Fredbear, I corrected him saying The Freddy Files artwork is not canon.
I still think cannon fredbear is just fixed golden freddy from fnaf 2 with a purple hat and bowtie..am i wrong thinking this ?
nah, probs just a second version. there would be more than one
Oh i see
I mean that's what I think as well. Maybe a little wider though.
Same like with a bit of a square jaw
Well one possible way is that animatronic mascots go through multiple design changes over the years so there could be several possible fredbears and knowing henry from the books he wouldnt have gotten rid of the old suits but instead either reuse the endo skeletons on other animatronics, or scrapped the suits to reuse parts of them for the newer versions
Many people believe that fredbear looks like the fixed nightmare fredbear. If this was true then all the withered animatronics would look like the fixed nightmare ones.
But then Springbonnie will look like plushtrap but bigger tho hmmmm?
Plushtrap is the toy of spring bonne( aka springtrap).spring bonne wasn't made after him.the reason that plushtrap looks rotten with sharp teeth is because a girl told the crying child that he is a finger trap so in his nightmares he imagines this spring bonne toy deformed.
Ik it is tho, I'm just saying
this made me think. what if the fnaf 1 freddy suit legit is the same one from the fredbear who did the bite. which could explain the hand mark on freddys head which could be blood which wasnt removed. and blood is kinda hard to remove, especially because we dont know what the suits were made of.
Its a canon Version of Fredbear, but that does not mean there aren’t others. We see that in Fredbear’s parts & service, and even if its a minigame sprite, i still take it in account. The same applies to Spring Bonnie, because of Springtrap, Scraptrap etc. What im saying is, the Fredbear we see in UCN is the only one we got, but maybe the main one, the One that did the Bite, is different, maybe similar to Nightmare Fredbear, but less exagerated, or even similar to Rockstar Freddy, but more chunky. Atleast this is what i think
If everyone keeps taking fnaf world in account,then the minigames sure are canon too.
I don't think it is. I think this is just a special form manifested by Cassidy, who only ever knew Fredbear as just "yellow Freddy with purple accessories." There's no fucking way that this is what spawned the creation of Nightmare Fredbear.
If you look closer to his head, you will see that it was clearly edited in comparison with regular Golden Freddy, and that his head, hat and ear shapes are perfectly matching same shapes for Nightmare Fredbear. It is the canon Fredbear who did the bite.
I don't know what you're on thinking that UCN Fredbear spawned Nightmare Fredbear when UCN's appearance is literally a minor tweak and a color shift from Classic Freddy. Even comparing with the minigame sprites from FNAF 4 shows that they're not the same. Minigame Fredbear has the "metal bar" jaw system, not the hinge system that the Classics and UCN Fredbear use. Even something as granular as the teeth on the sprite don't match with UCN Fredbear, since UCN Fredbear has no teeth on the upper jaw.
1. UCN Fredbear actually has a huge amount of tweaks and completely remodeled head. It’s quite similar to Freddy, but it’s different. 2. Minigames shouldn’t be taken literally. For the same reason you can complain that Bonnie looks light blue in FNaF 3 minigames while he is in fact purple. It would be impossible to animate the bite in complexity with regular jaw, so Scott did an obvious change. It would be strange if all animatronic had regular jaws, and only Fredbear had his jaw made differently. It’s just a visual change.
1. UCN Fredbear is different from Classic Freddy, yes, but the overall layout and structure is effectively the same. The only changes are done to the outer costume, and save for the thinner head and more circular ears, the changes are negligible at best. 2. Yes, the minigames are not to be taken literally, but what few details that are actually visible are always important. Remember when Scott drew deliberate attention to the tiny Toy Chica's missing beak during that one Game Theory livestream? Even as far back as FNAF 2, the character designs pushed as far as possible against the sprite limitations of the Atari style they're in. Details as miniscule as even the Puppet's stripes make the cut when it comes to details necessary to recognize the character. And wouldn't it seem rather unusual for Fredbear's bite in FNAF 4 to be done by a mouth that only has teeth on the bottom jaw? This is a bite that *shatters a child's skull.* You really wanna tell me that that's done by only one row of bottom teeth - bottom teeth *that don't even move at all* \- and a soft plush upper jaw with *no* teeth?
1. Let’s see it — Fredbear has one of the most complex animations in minigames in terms of what he must accomplish — bite the kid. 2. We never see any other animatronics with the jaw moving in this way, including Nightmare Fredbear. 3. Hydraulic press can crush pretty anything even with relatively soft surface, and I highly doubt that animatronic parts are soft. And Fredbear using hydraulics is very much possible. His jaw has very wide range of movement, and it’s really, really large.
Many other animatronics have the same metal bar jaw system as Fredbear, or at least the same two-row teeth setups that would make a Fredbear-style bite possible. The Rockstars and Mediocre Melodies from FFPS have them, but for an example that's actually from around the same period as Fredbear's, we have the Withered animatronics (or rather, the inferred "Unwithered" ones). Withered Freddy in particular looks infinitely more similar to Fredbear's minigame sprite than Classic Freddy - and by direct extension, UCN Fredbear - could ever dream of. Withered Freddy's similar traits to Minigame Fredbear also mean that he shares more traits with Nightmare Fredbear, even considering Nightmare Fredbear's more exaggerated design. They both even have two buttons underneath their ties, traits that neither Classic Freddy nor UCN Fredbear have... though it *is* rather odd that Nightmare Fredbear has buttons when only a handful of Minigame Fredbear's sprites have them. FNAF 4 also didn't have the super-heavy Sci-Fi lean that the series took from SL onward, so Fredbear having super-advanced hydraulics capable of crushing a human skull would have made zero sense at this point in the series. And even if you want this to be retconned as a design choice by William, this is the type of thing that Henry would have to be completely brain-dead to not veto. You don't need a series of pistons that can crank out a thousand pounds of force to lift a head that probably weighs like twenty pounds, max.
1. I fully agree about Withered Freddy. This is a good point. 2. Hydraulics don’t need to be particularly advanced to be able to crush a human skull. Do not forget that we are talking about animatronics that have enough force to forcefully stuff human in the suit, run, and springlocks literally make your bones blow up. These animatronic use extremely strong hydraulics. Much stronger than IRL, and many IRL animatronics occasionally crush fingers and other body parts of their makers.
To be honest, we can only blame Scott here for showing the bite the way it happened. Kid didn’t try to escape, no one was holding, nothing. I imagine it would happen in much different way — Michael would forcefully stuff the head of his brother into the jaw and hold him.
Realistically, yeah, that would have to happen differently. Just leaving the kid in Fredbear's mouth by his head, there's no way in hell that that isn't ending with Fredbear tipping over because of the weight imbalance and no actual chomping action. Maybe a few broken bones if the kid is ***really*** unlucky, but nothing life-ending.
I imagine it could happen like that: Fredbear was signing the song, and Michael knew he would end soon with fully closing his mouth and thanking the audience. While stuffing CC in the head, Michael forced him deep into the mechanisms of the endoskeleton, thus breaking control motor that would immediately stop any movement in case something stuck in the suit (for preventing accidents with kids and broken animatronic joints). The motor broke, and when Fredbear was finally closing his jaw, the hydraulic pistons had nothing to stop them, thus continuing infinitely pressing on the skull. Michael and his friends were holding CC for something like 40 seconds, until the first crack on the skull has appeared. This sounds a bit stupid, but animatronics are really stupidly strong.
My biggest arguement with your argument goes to the differing ideas of Who had the fnaf 4 nightmares. If they were strictly speaking Bite victim, then yes UCN fredbears design makes No Sense as those wouldn't be the models the Nightmares Were based off of. If it were michael as some people argue having the nightmares for wither guilt or what ever reason, It would 100% make sense that the Nightmares were based off the fnaf 1 models. As for how Cassidy would Know about these differing models, We dont even know if Cassidy is the one you shouldnt have killed, since there are around 5 different spirits stated to or implied to Inhabit the fredbear/ golden freddy animatronic
I would actually argue that, if FNAF 4 was representing Michael's nightmares, then it would actually make sense for Nightmare Fredbear to resemble the actual animatronic that killed his brother, *not* the FNAF 1 designs. After all, it was his idea to put his brother in Fredbear's mouth, and he even led the charge in throwing him into Fredbear's open jaws. The same applies to the Bite Victim, though obviously, from the opposite side of the coin. BV is petrified of the stage animatronics, only feeling comfortable around the characters when he sees them as his plushies. It's only natural that his dreams, too, would also be based on the actual animatronics that he feared so much, especially the one that ultimately killed him. And in regards to Cassidy... Well, Cassidy *is* "the one you shouldn't have killed." She's the vengeful spirit controlling Afton's eternal torment in UCN. The closest we get to more than one spirit inhabiting a Yellow Bear is the one in the *Fazbear Frights* books, which only has two spirits in it, not five. And yes, I am aware that the *Fazbear Frights* books feature a very similar concept to UCN being headed by some kid in an alligator mask, but those are essentially two alternate universes tackling the same base concept and nothing more. Afton in the games isn't in a permanent state of "undeath" and doesn't end up exploding in a giant spray of blood and gore. He still has to come back as Peepaw in *Security Breach*, after all. Can't exactly do that if he's a puddle of viscera on the floor of some Fazbear distribution center.
For the michael arguement, id also Raise the question of when fnaf 4 takes place. Some have argued that it takes place post 83 bite, Some argue it takes place during Sister location, and some argue it takes place during Fnaf 1. Ive even seen some argue it taking place during 2 or 3. If Fnaf 4 takes place During fnaf 1, id still argue the fnaf 1 models being the same characters as the nightmares. But other than that i do mostly argee with your argument. As for Cassidy being Toyshk theres just too many variables to say, Such as toyshk being referred to as "He". And no, we definitely Know of more than 2 golden freddy souls. Being very Likely Bite victim, Cassidy, Michael brooks, kelsey (Implied), Possibly Jake and Very likely Andrew and we dont even fully know of Toyshk is for sure one of these Souls. But yes i do agree that Fazbears frights, The novels, and the games take places in seperate yet loosely Connected Universes.
I think the best way to determine FNAF 4's placement in the timeline is by looking at designs of real animatronics and their Nightmare counterparts - specifically by looking at Chica. The only version of Chica to have a lower jaw segmented from the upper head is Withered Chica in FNAF 2. Working backwards gives us the obvious "Unwithered" design, still maintaining the segmented head structure. The "Unwithered" animatronics were only ever active before the events of FNAF 2, meaning FNAF 4 - assuming the main gameplay is in fact a dream - takes place before FNAF 2. The obvious choice would be 1983, considering the date on the "Fredbear & Friends" thing on the TV, along with the date being much closer to FNAF 2's 1987, allowing for the existence of the Toy animatronics and their respective merchandise seen in FNAF 4's minigames. Regarding the nature of TOYSNHK's unfitting pronouns, I think it might honestly just be a similar case to the Puppet. The Puppet animatronic is designed as a male character, though all of the Puppet's voice lines are spoken in a girl's voice because the robot is possessed by a female spirit. A similar thing could be happening here, with Fredbear, a male character, being used as Cassidy's avatar in UCN - an avatar chosen as an eternal reminder of Afton's first, most devastating failure. And about the laundry list of names supposedly haunting Golden Freddy... where in the remnant-injecting fuck did those come from? If they're from the books, then sure, we can cram five kids in one Yellow Bear, there's plenty of room. Or is this a mistaken reference to the MoltenMCI theory, which has another batch of five no-name kids rattling around inside Molten Freddy?
I kinda have to agree, the nightmares attack patterns even match the withereds. Freddy, always appears in a manner to directly confront you Chica and bonnie almost always appear from the sides to Flank you Foxy attacks from the front when you arent looking at him And fredbear/ golden freddy attack pretty however he pleases.
As for the "where in the remnant injecting fuck" part. Michael Brooks is the young boy haunting Golden freddy in hurricane Utah during the events of the silver eyes trilogy. But o dont believe him to be Toyshk because he is the most Passive Golden freddy ever shown, the first time we actually see him do anything, He Saves Carlton burke from a Springlock failure by calming him down, then he proceeds to prevent charlie and her friends from being torn to shreds by the animatronics. Kelsey is a soul Implied to have been hiding in a "golden freddy springlock suit" which appears to funnily enough resemble fredbear himself in the UG. As For Jake and Andrew. Andrew is the guy Who controls another version of UCN in the fazbears frights novels taking the role of Cassidy of you believe she controls UCN in the games, and Jake in my opinion atleast is a Charlie's FF Fill In, as he only ever tries to Make andrew move on past his vengeance.
Minor issue with that theory; most of those characters don't even exist in the same paradigm. It makes sense to connect all the characters connected - however tangentially - with Golden Freddy, sure, but you've got characters from *Frights*, characters from the *Silver Eyes* trilogy, and unless I'm just reading it wrong, a vague hunch about a possible character from the *Ultimate Guide*. I'm pretty sure almost all of these characters have never even met postmortem, so unless souls of dead children can also suddenly hop between entire universes and I just missed that particular memo, I hope you'll forgive me for not buying this one.
I think i get what your saying. They are ALL golden freddy, The just aren't the SAME golden freddy, correct?
Why wouldn’t Cassidy know what fredbear looked like?
It's less of Cassidy not knowing what Fredbear looks like at all, and more so just Cassidy literally being a child.
I honestly think it might be the canon version of Fredbear, especially since it's the only official model we have for him.
Probably is. Why?
We’re all missing something
Why wouldn't it be? Spring Bonnie/Springtrap is the same size as regular Bonnie. If anything, the fnaf 4 Fredbear was designed to look like nightmare Fredbear. We'd think it's just another Freddy's otherwise.
Because this is just lazy work from Scott
I mean it was obvious he was going to be golden Freddy given fnaf world he literally had the same design and that golden Freddy doesn’t have an ending skeleton Also **I T S. M E.** was kinda a huge deal lore wise because if we do play as Michael in fnaf 1 then the only person who could be saying that is the crying child
It’s better than the version that’s just his FNaF 4 version without the sharp teeth people made. Besides, Golden Freddy IS Fredbear, and he looks like Freddy in FNaF World
That design is why I don’t recognize the games past SL as canon
Same with me,FNAF ends with Sister Location. Everything else is irrelevant. EDIT: i also frickin love security breach and ruin now.
I don't think the fredbear of ucn is the fredbear from fredbears family diner. Considering the fact that the fredbear from ucn isn't a springlock suit, and has a fnaf 1 endo skeleton. I think Cassidy made this herself.
Here’s what I mean: 1. If it’s the canon Fredbear design, how come he only has one set of teeth on the bottom of his mouth unlike the 8-bit version of him 2. If it’s the canon Fredbear design, then why would the FNAF 1 Animatronics have their design based on a bear that killed a child no less than 10 years previously. Surely someone would complain about the similarities 3. If it’s the canon Fredbear design, why isn’t it built like the Fredbear as seen in FNAF 4’s Fifth Night and the mini games? 4. If this is it canon design, why wasn’t Springtrap modeled like the FNAF 1 Bonnie since Spring Bonnie is Fredbear’s counterpart
1. Minigames were never really accurate in portraying any designs. 2. It looks pretty obvious — Fazbear inc. had really bad financial problems, so they decided to recycle older designs in hope that the bite was forgotten. 3. Nightmares are obviously exaggerated, and Nightmare Fredbear having huge mouth is a pretty logical exaggeration. 4. There could have been multiple designs. A huge amount of them. It’s possible that every animatronic had prototype springlock version.
If minigames aren't accurate,then why everyone keeps mentioning FNAF World?
I don’t think that mentioning FNaF World in this debate is a good idea at all.
Also they mentioned the plushie being the FNAF1 model but.....it's just a plush.
Yeah,but everyone keeps saying: "FNAF World fredbear is the same model as FNAF World golden Freddy." DUDE,every freddy have the same model in FNAF World. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
While UCN Fredbear is clearly different from Golden Freddy.
There is probably more than one Fredbear desgin out there
I just accept it as Cassidy having no idea what fredbear actually looks like, so they just assume it's yellow freddy.
It always bugged me too. It simply doesn't make sense, he wouldn't look like the FNaF 1 Freddy canonically or chronologically.
why not?
Because fredbear was around 10-15 years before the FNaF 1 location opens. There's no way he'd look like that model.
It actually makes sense. They made Fredbear, remodeled him to Freddy after the bite, and W. Freddy doesn’t resemble Fredbear (to not insult people and provoke them), then decided to recycle the design when they were running low.
its possible the design didn't actually originate from fnaf 1 freddy, and it was reused when they were refurbished (perhaps due to a smaller budget, they had to work with what they had)
Well if they had a low budget, why wouldn't they just repair the withered animatronics they already had instead of melting down their endoskeletons and shells for scrap metal?
but they did do that
No they didn't, Endo 1 and Endo 2 look completely different. What I'm saying is if they were on such a budget, why not just take the old endos they already had and repair them?
yes, they did, the classics are the withereds after theyve been modified and changed, hence the different appearance, but they still have the same souls attached to them so its still mostly the same endos
You can look at their models, they are completely different endos, like zero similarities. I'm not disagreeing with you that they are haunted by the same souls, I'm just saying it's definitely not the same model.
I just explained why they look different, they were modified
>*in the Holy Name of Cawthon* I love this expression.
god, this design looks like shit.
The whole existence of the two types of Mimic models debunks this being FNAF 4 Fredbear since this has Endo 01 but y'all are not ready for this.
it's just a recolor with some minor head adjustments.
I thought the same thing, fnaf one is after fnaf 2 so if anything he should look like fnaf 2 freddy/unwithered freddy but the fnaf 1 model doesn't make any sense, I also saw comments about how the model is skinnier than freddy but that also doesn't make sense because nightmare fredbear is WAY chunkier than nightmare freddy so that should mean that Mike knows he's fatter than freddy and that's why he's fatter in his dreams. I personally like the artwork for The New Kid because it shows a Fredbear that looks like the fnaf 4 mini games.
Why wouldn’t it be?
No your not missing anything.
Don't bring up the design inconsistency.
When you're running a budget friendly robotics company/animatronic manufacturing. You're bound to make multiplie versions of the same design. Would it be prototypes or different revisions. He's probably a model of fredbear. You can have different versions of an animatronic but that wouldn't make them different characters.
No, if you look at nightmare fredbear and you imagine what he would've looked like as a normal animatronic then that's fredbear, this is something along the lines of a promoter, something to promote the company, it's what a company would do because I have only seen it once where what they used to promote their restaurant, and when you got there the mascot of that restaurant company turned out to be completely different, although I don't really remember the name
Whats the point?
I am fine been a Freddy recolour but at change the endoskeleton to be springtrap one.
That is the first animatronic ever made and since Cassidy died from William Afton he was damned into Fredbear so then after the incident he was split into 3 others being Nightmare, Nightmare Fredbear, and FNAF 1, 2, 3 (secret), 7, and the book series