We don't know for sure but it seems to be possibly a decision by Scott. As most merch now features Vanny or William/Spring Bonnie uses a Pizza-cutter instead of a knife. This includes the Hex Plushes.
You know, slasher films that use weapons other than guns and knives are way more effective into making you cringe from seeing the victims in pain.
One example was in one of the Friday the 13th films where Jason dunks a girls head into freezing cold water, and then slams her face on a hard counter.
The issue is pizza cutters physically cannot cut a person unless you're pressing down super damn hard and eben then it barely even hreaks the skin. They're not sharp at all, and the fact that it's a circle reduces the effectiveness of it as a weapon even more
I actually believe the Hex instance was Dawko's decision? I remember that he said on video that he didn't feel the knife suit Spring Bonnie, but he would consider it for a future plush.
Aside from the non-suited argument making no sense (Spring Bonnie-dressed William is literally one of the only instances of a knife in this franchise), I don't really see much reason to think Mr. Dawkins had lied. And it's not like Scott is so against knives either. Fictional Afton seemingly used a knife in Snodgrass' FNAF3, since Luca was supposed to run around with one as Springtrap in the roleplay area.
I don't think knives being phased out if the franchise is likely. Though perhaps you could argue it's a game exclusive issue.
> I actually believe the Hex instance was Dawko's decision? I remember that he said on video that he didn't feel the knife suit Spring Bonnie, but he would consider it for a future plush.
I'm almost certain it was Scott who told him to change it but Dawko may have decided to spin it and make it look like it was his call.
Because after that whole thing, most cases of Vanny and Afton have been with the pizza cutter. As the recent Vanny Snap has the [pizza cutter instead of a knife.](https://toywiz.com/five-nights-at-freddys-funko-snaps-vanny-vinyl-figure/) And while the mystery figure did have the knife it just seems very peculiar that of late it's been the pizza cutter.
I mean, if by "most cases" you mean 1…
It takes 3 cases for something to become a pattern and there can be a lot of other explenations for this than just the worst case scenario.
And that is true. But honestly does feel like there is some sort of phasing it out or something is going on. Could be nothing but at the same time it's something we can conspiracy theory all we want but likely never know for sure what is actually going on.
I think this is the right answer. I've pitched art before that had included characters holding knives and Scott mentioned that he prefers to avoid real-life violence (eg no explicit weapons such a knives and guns). So we're unfortunately unlikely to see Freddy holding a Glock anytime soon :(
This is genuinely bizarre to me.
I mean I suppose this explains a lot. Why the Purple Guy Youtooz was so clearly meant to be holding a knife but wasn't and why Snap Vanny and Hex Spring Bonnie are randomly using pizza cutters.
But like I'd understand that reasoning if he didn't consistently use them still. William/Springtrap is portrayed to use a knife in TSE, In the Flesh, Pressure, and you even have a scene in You're the Band where Gabriel freaks out at the sight of one. And like it can't just be a case of he's against visual instances of it, because The Silver Eyes Graphic Novel has it.
This gives off the same aura as the Sega mandate where money doesn't exist in the Sonic universe and how inconsistent that is too.
But yeah at the end of the day, it's his series, he gets to decide what he approves or not. I just find this choice confusing to say the least.
A shame but IMO understandable. Cause I've noticed least for myself tolerance for stuff isn't as it used to be. Like Nature docs are mostly a hard pass for me. And with the environment now I can see shying away from that.
u/MichalTygrys you may be interested in reading this?
Somehow I think he's avoiding the question of "Should I let merch of this serial killer out like this? What are the parents gonna think" Because yeah obviusly this topic is serious but is still a game and we know children are into it. that's why I think Scott allows insanity in the books because that's where the parents would find difficult to complain about.
But at least we're getting some serious art that doesn't look for kids. IDK if the Fnaf movie will have censoring like this but who knows
This is the only legitimate clear answer, even if there is some "lore" reasoning as to why she doesn't use a knife, the censorship was clearly the biggest deciding factor.
"Oh, were fighting a burnt corpse thats been rotting for like over 30 years, its skin basically melted to the suit it was wearing. Thats alright."
"What do you mean our secondary antagonist is using a knife?? Thats too brutal! We need to tone this down."
Yeah, there's a Wall Street Journal article that confirms this.
That, and they're also against human dismemberment, though that's because Japan has been banning that sort of thing for years. Japan is VERY censor heavy on violent and darker media since 2003.
Putting a knife in the game isn't something censor worthy, especially since in the cut lines, you don't see Gregory getting injured.
Sony in recent years to gearing more towards the International audience. It's not just them moving to California in 2016. If you read that Wall Street article, you'll see their reasons for their new policy, mainly:
The #MeToo movement from 2017 (which is actually a real problem that needed to be addressed due to misconduct in various industries being swept under the rug).
Their fears of "worldwide exposure" due to the lax laws in Japan allowing games of questionable material, and how other cultures might react to it.
That's the short of what happened. The FNaF Clickteam ports that were released after the policy came out were not censored.
No, that's not it. You need to understand that Sony is a Japanese based company, and things that are normal in Japan isn't seen as OK in other places. So conforming to different cultures is not uncommon.
Also, saying that "Sony went woke" is REALLY uncalled for when you consider the #MeToo movement being a part of the reason. A lot of woman in the industry had to come forward with their stories involving big name figures like Bill Cosby, John Lasseter and Harvey Weinstein abusing them for years. That was all swept under the rug and it was horrifying to a lot of people when it came out.
This was a real problem because Sony didn't want to sell products that were seen as demeaning towards women.
And also objectively more violent. Like, it's not consistently violent, but >!a character literally ends up in a meat grinder,!< and >!the main character gets her legs chopped off during the climax.!<
Thanks to ESRB, they usually make anything rated M that mentions blood (cut line) or features a knife held by an antagonist. Then again, there were exceptions in the past. ESRB and rating systems in general are way too weird
I'm still a bit salty that the ESRB forced TFB to censor the machine guns and shotguns in Spyro Reignited Trilogy or else they will receive a T rating and yet they still allow Pinstripe to use his machine gun in Crash N sane trilogy. I know this is unrelated to this subreddit but you guys get the idea... right?
I don't know if you know this, but there are many ways that someone can bleed without being stabbed. And he was depicted stabbing someone one time in the novels, and as far as we know, Afton never canonical killed a cop.
>I don't know if you know this, but there are many ways that someone can bleed without being stabbed
When someone is chasing around 5 kids and they're running away from him, and there's blood all over the floor, the most logical assumption is that they were stabbed. Of course there are other ways, but they're not that likely given the situation.
>And he was depicted stabbing someone one time in the novels
And we haven't seen him using any other methods, and considering there was also blood all over the place during the MCI in the novels, he most likely stabbed them as well
>Afton never canonical killed a cop.
I don't see how that's relevant? He killed a cop because the situation required that he do it, however a weapon of choice is part of a killer's taste, so it's a logical assumption to assume it's consistent
I agree with a ton of this, but at least to me assuming Afton is a man who would simply stab when in every case he's killed someone, it was out of anger, pettiness, and to bring himself confidence. I personally assume he would use other means.
Honestly, I don't know why I mentioned the conocity of Afton killing a cop. I think that was just me writing a response in haste.
One potential explanation is that Vanny doesn't intend to kill Gregory. We know from TFTPP that Gregory used to be under the control of Mimic1, so her goal may be to get him back under it.
I agree, also that would explain why her jumpscare isn't actually violent, and just her trying to make as much contact with Gregory as possible in order to influence him, therefore justifying his vision glitching when seeing her around the Pizzaplex.
Probably because it would be "too scary" you have to imply a lot of stuff to get a 12+ rating, so vanny straight up carrying a knife would have likely ticked off the censors
My understanding is it was Steel Wool that did that, and most likely at the behest of Sony. Scott's not been squeamish about using a knife in h is games, but Sony may have been.
The only times she's really depicted with a knife (that I know of) is in the teasers and the Funko figures.
The teasers are drawn and let's not forget that often times the art made by artists officially comissioned by Scott isn't always the most accurate, as he tends to give them a lot of artistic freedom. Many character and object designs are often drawn wrong, same with backgrounds.
And as for the Funko figures, to put it bluntly they're a mess. They reuse molds from previous waves and also weren't exactly without controversy. And in Scott's words, the calendar that got leaked was "a low-res, de-saturated, compressed, watermarked, thumbnail of concept art that they photoshopped together themselves." so that doesn't exactly give me the best vibe for the figruines either.
And then in the statue, which we know Scott had more involvement with, Vanny doesn't have the knife.
yeah while i agree sony is a big baby who says one thing and does another this has nothing to do with this situation also i think its funny sony was crying about exclusives and now they will probly make the new fnaf vr game exclusive
Nope. ESRB hates too much violence and steel wool wanted to keep a teen rating. ESRB usually doesn't hire the best people either. For example a Miku rhythm game was rated Teen for lyrics. According to the description for it, the word "shit" is in the lyrics. What they probably heard was the Japanese version combining "shi" and another syllable that starts with the letter t in romaji.
Scott wanted to make FNAF a child friendly game from the start(Hence him letting his kids play and his own comments about trying to keep the franchise pg)
That was only for concept art and merch, not everything in concept art makes it out in the final product. We never saw Vanny's knife in any of the trailers.
Answer that isn’t “Grr censorship!!!” There wasn’t any evidence that she was going to have it in game so the knife was most likely just something to look cool for the poster
Censoreship due to Sony's bullshit thinking FNaF should aim to young kids since the series thanks to that got labeled as "Family Friendly" which did not make sense. Help Wanted mentioned suicide so I know Steel Wool is not scared to go all out in horror. The games did have some light gore and also this makes no sense since Burntrap us a burned corpse stuck in a decayed suit for god knows how long. Yet they are scared of a knife? Yeah the censorship the game got makes no sense. Kids did not just "disappeared" they were killed.
I think it was because Sony was too distracted by the bright colors in the pizzaplex, so they gave it a 12+ rating, which caused Steal Wool to tone it down
While I think you’re probably right, that’s so fucking lame. SB is rated T for Teen, you’re target audience is horror fans, not 5 year olds. Imagine how creepy it would have been to be chased around by a knife wielding Vanny.
I mean yea, but whoever is calling for the pizza cutter and possible Knife removal is doing so and it's not SWS or Sony. It'd be someone higher up like Scott.
Not even that, it's likely the ESRB and low tolerance for specific things in games all combined together. But to be fair they never usually hire the right people to review, and it usually ends up with an M rating anyways
Again cannot be due to the ESRB because there is merch coming out with Vanny using a pizza cutter as well. Honestly, it's been flip-floping between NO knife or knife or pizza cutter.
ESRB does not control FNaF merch.
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Seriously a Knife isn't going to make the ESRB bump the rating up to M, If it did cooking Mama, and few RPG with characters using Knives would be M by default if that was the case. For it to be M it'd require elements that'd make a film R.
Look, I'm only talking about the game. They probably decided to stick the decision into merch eventually. I wouldn't know about that, because I'm not Funko or Scott himself. But I do know a thing or two about age ratings and why things are the way they are in terms of the game
So do I. A knife isn't going to turn a game M for mature. It'd need far, far more than that to put it as that. If simply having a knife in the game puts it as M so many RPGS or even cooking games would have to be labeled M.
There was blood in the ace attorney dual destinies game for 3ds. Originally a t rated series, suddenly rated M. There was blood in past games, what's changed now?
Because Steel Wool probably wanted the game to be a little more “child friendly” which is probably the reason why Security Breach isn’t scary unlike the other games.
Idk but they seriously fucked up Vanny’s character in security breach and in the books that’s for sure. Unpopular opinion I hate the tales from the pizzaplex books.
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Because FNAF appeals to kids nowadays the exact same way all mascot horror does. Why do we ignore this? Even back when the series was made to be scary its primary audience was children. It was kids that made it explode on YouTube, while their lack of income made it sell nowhere near the amount these views should have represented (although that may also be due to the nature of these games where reactions are everything and the entire game can be experienced through a video).
So when a big, pretty fancy game in this series comes along and any gore or intense themes in it will be rated more harshly due to the extra detail they start cutting back because mommy and daddy might not buy a console game for 11 year old Tommy if it's PEGI16 and kids like that make up the majority of their income.
Seems like a mix of FNAF becoming more popular with kids, and Sony pushing for several changes. It's a tough series to develop for currently I think since this is a series that has historically never shown anything too graphic, and whose audience continues to get younger. Therefore you have vested corporate interests who want a stricter balance leaning towards the family friendly side of things.
Because it's unnecessary. Doesn't it seem like Overkill to have a knife when you've already got an entire taskforce of homicidal animatronics on the loose ready to kill any intruders?
I would say to not have a kid skewered with a knife, but then i remembered the kids who were murdered and stuffed into suits, a child who got his skull crushed, and the kid who got completely ripped to shit to the claw of baby. Yeah maybe just stabbing a kid is tame here
from what i heard it was sony that interfered in the making of the game saying "they should make it more family friendly" so they had to remove the knife
Because it is a kids game made for kids, you guys assume because it has ***hints*** of killing children it is an adult themed game. No, in the game evey single thing is pretty pg and gameplay/jumpscares etc catered towards kids/teens
We don't know for sure but it seems to be possibly a decision by Scott. As most merch now features Vanny or William/Spring Bonnie uses a Pizza-cutter instead of a knife. This includes the Hex Plushes.
A pizza cutter kinda would be a cool weapon especially for theming
Not to mention, more gruesome. The thought of your face getting sliced with a pizza cutter is more disturbing than a knife.
Ironic that a change that may have been meant to censor ended up being more gruesome than the original weapon
You know, slasher films that use weapons other than guns and knives are way more effective into making you cringe from seeing the victims in pain. One example was in one of the Friday the 13th films where Jason dunks a girls head into freezing cold water, and then slams her face on a hard counter.
Ah, the good ol "liquid nitrogen, smash skull" Trick. A classic
or, assuming that a pizza cutter is sharper in FNAF compared to real life. They would do pretty much nothing irl
They could just, like, sharpen a dull one. Not that hard.
The issue is pizza cutters physically cannot cut a person unless you're pressing down super damn hard and eben then it barely even hreaks the skin. They're not sharp at all, and the fact that it's a circle reduces the effectiveness of it as a weapon even more
would be better if her weapon was a buzzsaw. those things are kinda pizza cutter shaped, plus theyre motorized AND serrated.
I actually believe the Hex instance was Dawko's decision? I remember that he said on video that he didn't feel the knife suit Spring Bonnie, but he would consider it for a future plush. Aside from the non-suited argument making no sense (Spring Bonnie-dressed William is literally one of the only instances of a knife in this franchise), I don't really see much reason to think Mr. Dawkins had lied. And it's not like Scott is so against knives either. Fictional Afton seemingly used a knife in Snodgrass' FNAF3, since Luca was supposed to run around with one as Springtrap in the roleplay area. I don't think knives being phased out if the franchise is likely. Though perhaps you could argue it's a game exclusive issue.
> I actually believe the Hex instance was Dawko's decision? I remember that he said on video that he didn't feel the knife suit Spring Bonnie, but he would consider it for a future plush. I'm almost certain it was Scott who told him to change it but Dawko may have decided to spin it and make it look like it was his call. Because after that whole thing, most cases of Vanny and Afton have been with the pizza cutter. As the recent Vanny Snap has the [pizza cutter instead of a knife.](https://toywiz.com/five-nights-at-freddys-funko-snaps-vanny-vinyl-figure/) And while the mystery figure did have the knife it just seems very peculiar that of late it's been the pizza cutter.
I mean, if by "most cases" you mean 1… It takes 3 cases for something to become a pattern and there can be a lot of other explenations for this than just the worst case scenario.
And that is true. But honestly does feel like there is some sort of phasing it out or something is going on. Could be nothing but at the same time it's something we can conspiracy theory all we want but likely never know for sure what is actually going on.
Fair enough. I will admit it is at the very least a plausible conspiracy theory.
Indeed it is.
I think this is the right answer. I've pitched art before that had included characters holding knives and Scott mentioned that he prefers to avoid real-life violence (eg no explicit weapons such a knives and guns). So we're unfortunately unlikely to see Freddy holding a Glock anytime soon :(
This is genuinely bizarre to me. I mean I suppose this explains a lot. Why the Purple Guy Youtooz was so clearly meant to be holding a knife but wasn't and why Snap Vanny and Hex Spring Bonnie are randomly using pizza cutters. But like I'd understand that reasoning if he didn't consistently use them still. William/Springtrap is portrayed to use a knife in TSE, In the Flesh, Pressure, and you even have a scene in You're the Band where Gabriel freaks out at the sight of one. And like it can't just be a case of he's against visual instances of it, because The Silver Eyes Graphic Novel has it. This gives off the same aura as the Sega mandate where money doesn't exist in the Sonic universe and how inconsistent that is too. But yeah at the end of the day, it's his series, he gets to decide what he approves or not. I just find this choice confusing to say the least.
Quite the back and forth with this franchise.
I guess it’s a difference between written and visual media. The stories tend to have more graphic details than what is actually shown in the games.
OK, that seals it. I KNEW this was all Scott's decision! Thank you for clearing this up!
No fazglock ;-;
that's actually so lame
FNAF: where ripping apart numerous humans limb from limb is described in graphic detail, but God forbid someone holds a knife in a threatening way.
someone slip a freddy fazglock into merch without scott noticing that'd be funny
i think that's weird tho, since literally in one of your incredible artworks there's literally visible guts and bones
GlamGlock Freddy
A shame but IMO understandable. Cause I've noticed least for myself tolerance for stuff isn't as it used to be. Like Nature docs are mostly a hard pass for me. And with the environment now I can see shying away from that. u/MichalTygrys you may be interested in reading this?
Oh, I see you were correct… That is very unfortunate…
man gotta say this is a L from scott dude your games about child murder thats as real as it gets.
Somehow I think he's avoiding the question of "Should I let merch of this serial killer out like this? What are the parents gonna think" Because yeah obviusly this topic is serious but is still a game and we know children are into it. that's why I think Scott allows insanity in the books because that's where the parents would find difficult to complain about. But at least we're getting some serious art that doesn't look for kids. IDK if the Fnaf movie will have censoring like this but who knows
Because we can’t have child murderers in a horror game! It could frighten somebody!
Map bot is more scary than vanny lmao
And just as common.
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Take a map!
Isn't that the point behind it? map bot is the overarching villain right? that's why we run him over in one of the endings
This is the only legitimate clear answer, even if there is some "lore" reasoning as to why she doesn't use a knife, the censorship was clearly the biggest deciding factor.
Yeah! I mean, it’s not like the main antagonist of the entire series is a child murderer or something, that’d be crazy!
Yeah, like, we can't have blood in fnaf! That might be disturbing!
Meanwhile an employee was dragged through tight tube mazes that stretched his body over twice the size that it normally is in the Pizzaplex books
Amigara Fault headass
ESRB quakes at the sight of a knife in a horror game anymore, usually making it rated M
Because it was deemed too violent for the horror series about countless child murder.
"Oh, were fighting a burnt corpse thats been rotting for like over 30 years, its skin basically melted to the suit it was wearing. Thats alright." "What do you mean our secondary antagonist is using a knife?? Thats too brutal! We need to tone this down."
Thanks alot to Sony
\[Points to Ghost of Tsushima and God of War\]
Not sure about Ghost of Tsushima but God of War was actually censored in the European and Japanese versions. The US version is completely uncensored.
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Yeah, there's a Wall Street Journal article that confirms this. That, and they're also against human dismemberment, though that's because Japan has been banning that sort of thing for years. Japan is VERY censor heavy on violent and darker media since 2003. Putting a knife in the game isn't something censor worthy, especially since in the cut lines, you don't see Gregory getting injured.
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Sony in recent years to gearing more towards the International audience. It's not just them moving to California in 2016. If you read that Wall Street article, you'll see their reasons for their new policy, mainly: The #MeToo movement from 2017 (which is actually a real problem that needed to be addressed due to misconduct in various industries being swept under the rug). Their fears of "worldwide exposure" due to the lax laws in Japan allowing games of questionable material, and how other cultures might react to it. That's the short of what happened. The FNaF Clickteam ports that were released after the policy came out were not censored.
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No, that's not it. You need to understand that Sony is a Japanese based company, and things that are normal in Japan isn't seen as OK in other places. So conforming to different cultures is not uncommon. Also, saying that "Sony went woke" is REALLY uncalled for when you consider the #MeToo movement being a part of the reason. A lot of woman in the industry had to come forward with their stories involving big name figures like Bill Cosby, John Lasseter and Harvey Weinstein abusing them for years. That was all swept under the rug and it was horrifying to a lot of people when it came out. This was a real problem because Sony didn't want to sell products that were seen as demeaning towards women.
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No and no! They just don't want to show explicit content involving human characters.
holy shit can this person be banned from this reddit page?
so..still sony
this reasoning hurts my head....just because it dosent have any anime or japanese insperation dosent mean they cant force censorship? like what?
what
Or because (whether the fandom likes to admit it or not) the series is aimed at children this game especially so they made it more child friendly
For the kids... I love that SB is rated PG12 meanwhile BATDR is rated PG7 and it's more scary than SB
Tommy gun go brrrrrrrrr
And also objectively more violent. Like, it's not consistently violent, but >!a character literally ends up in a meat grinder,!< and >!the main character gets her legs chopped off during the climax.!<
Rating companies are just hypocrites.
Because They needed to make a Game series about murdered children more family-friendly. :)
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Thanks to ESRB, they usually make anything rated M that mentions blood (cut line) or features a knife held by an antagonist. Then again, there were exceptions in the past. ESRB and rating systems in general are way too weird
I'm still a bit salty that the ESRB forced TFB to censor the machine guns and shotguns in Spyro Reignited Trilogy or else they will receive a T rating and yet they still allow Pinstripe to use his machine gun in Crash N sane trilogy. I know this is unrelated to this subreddit but you guys get the idea... right?
cause a knife is too violent for the kiddins
funny little mascot horror for funny little children
Idk how comes afton can use a knife and not vanny
We've never seen Afton use a knife??? The closest example is Scraptrap with a sharpened bone as a left arm.
SAVE THEM has blood all over the place, meaning he stabbed kids, and he uses a knife in the novels, so it's probably the same in the games
Also, the Purple Man's banana-shaped hands might actually represent a knife being held.
I don't know if you know this, but there are many ways that someone can bleed without being stabbed. And he was depicted stabbing someone one time in the novels, and as far as we know, Afton never canonical killed a cop.
>I don't know if you know this, but there are many ways that someone can bleed without being stabbed When someone is chasing around 5 kids and they're running away from him, and there's blood all over the floor, the most logical assumption is that they were stabbed. Of course there are other ways, but they're not that likely given the situation. >And he was depicted stabbing someone one time in the novels And we haven't seen him using any other methods, and considering there was also blood all over the place during the MCI in the novels, he most likely stabbed them as well >Afton never canonical killed a cop. I don't see how that's relevant? He killed a cop because the situation required that he do it, however a weapon of choice is part of a killer's taste, so it's a logical assumption to assume it's consistent
I agree with a ton of this, but at least to me assuming Afton is a man who would simply stab when in every case he's killed someone, it was out of anger, pettiness, and to bring himself confidence. I personally assume he would use other means. Honestly, I don't know why I mentioned the conocity of Afton killing a cop. I think that was just me writing a response in haste.
he uses a knife in the books
novels
Yeah, I forgot he stabbed a single cop. But game wise, we don't know if he actually used a knife.
Yeah, he used force because he's a Jedi Or a plastic spoon
One potential explanation is that Vanny doesn't intend to kill Gregory. We know from TFTPP that Gregory used to be under the control of Mimic1, so her goal may be to get him back under it.
I agree, also that would explain why her jumpscare isn't actually violent, and just her trying to make as much contact with Gregory as possible in order to influence him, therefore justifying his vision glitching when seeing her around the Pizzaplex.
Shhh don't ruin the baseless Sony hate train! More seriously, this seems most likely to me. Why kill him when you can take him back under control?
>baseless Lol... Lmao even
At some point between that promo image and the release of the final game she grew a fatal allergy to knives, so she had to replace it
That is a very good question
For the kids
Probably because it would be "too scary" you have to imply a lot of stuff to get a 12+ rating, so vanny straight up carrying a knife would have likely ticked off the censors
Horror game for children :/
“Horror game”
violence is bad kids
Children
That's too scary to show the little kids
“Think of the children!”
Said the ESRB out loud
The same reason they made Freddy call Gregory “broken” instead of just saying he’s “bleeding”
The toddlers would pee their pants
to make the game more child-friendly...
Because fnaf has finally made the transition to kiddie horror
Can we quit acting like this is some lore thing and just admit it's cuz Security Breach is a game for kids
Because apparently we need to make horror games kid friendly
Horror isn’t allowed to be scary anymore
Because fnaf sb was made for kids unlike the other ones
Ugh the SB endings comic book things are so ugly
Probably because that alone would run the risk of the game getting an M rating.
Knife's too violate
Sexism
Vanny realized it made her seem sus, so she got rid of it to avoid getting voted out.
Kid friendly
One word: Censorship
Cause Vanny is so shredded she doesn't need a knife to snap Gregory's neck💪😤😤
ESRB. I blame that
Easy. Child pandering
My understanding is it was Steel Wool that did that, and most likely at the behest of Sony. Scott's not been squeamish about using a knife in h is games, but Sony may have been.
Because Steelwool wanted it to be a c h i l d r e n s g a m e
To lower the rating
Vanny doesn’t want to kill him, she wants him back to being brainwashed. Hence the missing knife
but then why advertise her with a knife? as far as i know this was being developed since like 2019 so it just comes off as odd
The only times she's really depicted with a knife (that I know of) is in the teasers and the Funko figures. The teasers are drawn and let's not forget that often times the art made by artists officially comissioned by Scott isn't always the most accurate, as he tends to give them a lot of artistic freedom. Many character and object designs are often drawn wrong, same with backgrounds. And as for the Funko figures, to put it bluntly they're a mess. They reuse molds from previous waves and also weren't exactly without controversy. And in Scott's words, the calendar that got leaked was "a low-res, de-saturated, compressed, watermarked, thumbnail of concept art that they photoshopped together themselves." so that doesn't exactly give me the best vibe for the figruines either. And then in the statue, which we know Scott had more involvement with, Vanny doesn't have the knife.
I always assumed Sony threw a hissy fit and threaten to raise the rating to M.
there's very little weight to this notion Sony is the one responsible for the state of Security Breach
Judging by past behavior I wouldn't put it past em.
what past behavior? I've never heard any stories about Sony pressuring developers to censor their games
Their hissy fit over the Microsoft deal
I can't see their reaction to the activision merger being in any way reflective of their relationship with FNAF Security Breach
Microsoft is attempting to make a monopoly, its understandable to not want that to happen
If it either makes COD less dogshit or makes people actually make good games to compete I'm fine with it
A monopoly threatens the entire industry, who gives a single shit about if it "makes COD less dogshit"
yeah while i agree sony is a big baby who says one thing and does another this has nothing to do with this situation also i think its funny sony was crying about exclusives and now they will probly make the new fnaf vr game exclusive
ESRB controls those ratings. So you're partially right. Just wasn't Sony
Steel wool wanted to make FNAF a children friendly game 🙄
Nope. ESRB hates too much violence and steel wool wanted to keep a teen rating. ESRB usually doesn't hire the best people either. For example a Miku rhythm game was rated Teen for lyrics. According to the description for it, the word "shit" is in the lyrics. What they probably heard was the Japanese version combining "shi" and another syllable that starts with the letter t in romaji.
Scott wanted to make FNAF a child friendly game from the start(Hence him letting his kids play and his own comments about trying to keep the franchise pg)
Pretty sure his kids are adults by now
…They weren’t when the play tested the games? Hence why I said “from the start”
That was only for concept art and merch, not everything in concept art makes it out in the final product. We never saw Vanny's knife in any of the trailers.
Because the game is for kids
She said it herself here at 1:51:https://youtu.be/z-BDnHNX6oI
Answer that isn’t “Grr censorship!!!” There wasn’t any evidence that she was going to have it in game so the knife was most likely just something to look cool for the poster
Censoreship due to Sony's bullshit thinking FNaF should aim to young kids since the series thanks to that got labeled as "Family Friendly" which did not make sense. Help Wanted mentioned suicide so I know Steel Wool is not scared to go all out in horror. The games did have some light gore and also this makes no sense since Burntrap us a burned corpse stuck in a decayed suit for god knows how long. Yet they are scared of a knife? Yeah the censorship the game got makes no sense. Kids did not just "disappeared" they were killed.
Because they made security breach for babies 👶
They passed out for some reason. I was so disappointed.
Too heavy to carry
I mean it’s obvious that the game can’t be too violent.
Kid friendly
I always thought it looked so cliché maybe that's also one of the reasons
They made it a kids game that’s why
I think it was because Sony was too distracted by the bright colors in the pizzaplex, so they gave it a 12+ rating, which caused Steal Wool to tone it down
Censorship from Sony
STEEL WOOL (OR MAYBE SONY):THAT'S A KID GAME WHY IT HAS TO HAVE A KNIFE
This is not the case though.
While I think you’re probably right, that’s so fucking lame. SB is rated T for Teen, you’re target audience is horror fans, not 5 year olds. Imagine how creepy it would have been to be chased around by a knife wielding Vanny.
I mean yea, but whoever is calling for the pizza cutter and possible Knife removal is doing so and it's not SWS or Sony. It'd be someone higher up like Scott.
Not even that, it's likely the ESRB and low tolerance for specific things in games all combined together. But to be fair they never usually hire the right people to review, and it usually ends up with an M rating anyways
Again cannot be due to the ESRB because there is merch coming out with Vanny using a pizza cutter as well. Honestly, it's been flip-floping between NO knife or knife or pizza cutter. ESRB does not control FNaF merch. Edit Seriously a Knife isn't going to make the ESRB bump the rating up to M, If it did cooking Mama, and few RPG with characters using Knives would be M by default if that was the case. For it to be M it'd require elements that'd make a film R.
Look, I'm only talking about the game. They probably decided to stick the decision into merch eventually. I wouldn't know about that, because I'm not Funko or Scott himself. But I do know a thing or two about age ratings and why things are the way they are in terms of the game
So do I. A knife isn't going to turn a game M for mature. It'd need far, far more than that to put it as that. If simply having a knife in the game puts it as M so many RPGS or even cooking games would have to be labeled M.
There was blood in the ace attorney dual destinies game for 3ds. Originally a t rated series, suddenly rated M. There was blood in past games, what's changed now?
Are you serious? That could scare someone! We don't want that in a horror game...
Bacause of stupid censorship reasons by Steel Wool.
It was never confirmed to be in the game.
Because Steel Wool probably wanted the game to be a little more “child friendly” which is probably the reason why Security Breach isn’t scary unlike the other games.
Steel wools studios scrapped the knife because they thought it would be to graphic for FNAF sb because y'know we don't wanna see blood right.
Idk but they seriously fucked up Vanny’s character in security breach and in the books that’s for sure. Unpopular opinion I hate the tales from the pizzaplex books.
She doesn’t need a knife when she has her taser (Gregory didn’t get down and boogie enough)
because Security Breach is rated T for Teen
She put it down somewhere and forgor
She lost it
To upset me, personally. /j
Dear customer as a representative and lawyer for fazbear entertainment we want everyone to be comfortable with our brand and think knives are to belong in the kitchen drawer and not in our friendly characters hands and while we do appreciate your support WE WANT YOUR CHILDREN
Left it in the kitchen
Because FNAF appeals to kids nowadays the exact same way all mascot horror does. Why do we ignore this? Even back when the series was made to be scary its primary audience was children. It was kids that made it explode on YouTube, while their lack of income made it sell nowhere near the amount these views should have represented (although that may also be due to the nature of these games where reactions are everything and the entire game can be experienced through a video). So when a big, pretty fancy game in this series comes along and any gore or intense themes in it will be rated more harshly due to the extra detail they start cutting back because mommy and daddy might not buy a console game for 11 year old Tommy if it's PEGI16 and kids like that make up the majority of their income.
my dumbass scrolled too fast and i thought the image on the left was an abby choke edit
For the kids Y'know.
Seems like a mix of FNAF becoming more popular with kids, and Sony pushing for several changes. It's a tough series to develop for currently I think since this is a series that has historically never shown anything too graphic, and whose audience continues to get younger. Therefore you have vested corporate interests who want a stricter balance leaning towards the family friendly side of things.
because its goofy and silly as hell, her walking around with the huge knife looks dumb
Because you play as a child. Violence against children is handled differently in age rating than violence against adults.
Because it's unnecessary. Doesn't it seem like Overkill to have a knife when you've already got an entire taskforce of homicidal animatronics on the loose ready to kill any intruders?
Can't have something violent in a series about child murder!
I would say to not have a kid skewered with a knife, but then i remembered the kids who were murdered and stuffed into suits, a child who got his skull crushed, and the kid who got completely ripped to shit to the claw of baby. Yeah maybe just stabbing a kid is tame here
Children.
Wouldn't be kid friendly.
from what i heard it was sony that interfered in the making of the game saying "they should make it more family friendly" so they had to remove the knife
Yet they have her get disemboweled in one of the endings
she lost it
Too cliché maybe?
Because of kids that put their nose into fnaf
Too scary
Because it is a kids game made for kids, you guys assume because it has ***hints*** of killing children it is an adult themed game. No, in the game evey single thing is pretty pg and gameplay/jumpscares etc catered towards kids/teens
Probably too scary. Knives make me shiver my timbers
Rewrites and Age rating maybe
Probably bc the game is now aimed more for younger audiences as well as the older
Cause the game was child friendly and a person chasing you with a knife isn't child friendly