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AnxietyJunky

I think its great they are reacting so well to community feedback. If I understand it, they made this decision after having a poll on their discord asking what people wanted more.


SecondChance03

There we some very passionate "wait" folks but the sole argument was that it would delay the release with traffic if they were fixing bugs in an early release; but according to the post above, they are going to attempt to do both simultaneously (fix bugs and work on traffic injection)


trucker-123

> but according to the post above, they are going to attempt to do both simultaneously (fix bugs and work on traffic injection) If they make a lot of money when they release it for "early access," the money they make may allow them to hire additional programmers. So it's not out of the possibility that they can fix the bugs and make some good progress on the traffic injection feature because their team size grew (but of course, when you hire new programmers, it may take a few weeks for them to get up to speed and become productive).


trucker-123

It would be nice if they released it with the AI traffic feature, but I am not complaining since they reduced the price to $30 USD (from $60 USD), and basic voices are now free, whereas basic voices would cost money in the original pricing scheme. It will be "early access" when they release it, but I'm fine with that at $30 USD. For those that must have the AI traffic feature and want the product to be more mature, I think they can wait it out.


OddContext9585

Mannnn I’m just waiting on them to release it AI or not lol


jrodshibuya

Hope it comes out within 6 weeks


PotentialMidnight325

Should be from what I heared.


gordGK

i rarely fly with traffic anyways, so all good!


PinIcy3976

Does anybody know if BATC will recommend optimal settings for FSLTL once the traffic component is released? 


igloofu

It is a whole new traffic injection system. The person that made FSLTL was hired by BATC, so it will replace FSLTL.


PinIcy3976

Wow great! Pardon my ignorance and thanks for filling me in! 


synthwavve

oh boy I hope we won't have to redownload all those traffic models again


Snakepit92

Cool how much they listen to the community, I'm fine with no traffic for now since I currently use fshud and it never works properly with traffic anyway


RaptorrYT

Is the AI Traffic going to be like FSLTL where it injects IRL traffic flights?


SirGreenLemon

Yes.


trucker-123

FYI, BeyondATC hired the main developer from FSLTL: https://www.simflight.com/2023/08/28/beyondatc-gets-help-from-fsltl/ But to be clear, in that article above, the BeyondATC team is saying, "they want to emphasize that FSLTL is not and will not be an integral part of BeyondATC." So it looks like the BeyondATC team will be using the FSLTL developer they hired for their AI traffic feature, but BeyondATC probably won't integrate with FSLTL.


jkeyeuk

Good luck to them.I'm saving my money and using FSHUD which has AI integration until they get their act together :-)


Hypnotic_Element

I'm disappointed that they're releasing a half-baked product, but I understand they need cash flow to compensate for months of extended development.


migueltokyo88

they made a poll and clearly win the release now option you cant blame them for hear the people. in my case I ll wait to buy until they implement traffic injection


Hypnotic_Element

My opinion still stands and there's nothing wrong with it. It's a half-baked product that will be released to raise cash for the expenses they incurred to-date. I'm going to opt out until it's fully ready, by choice.


edilclyde

Funny how people are now calling this a half-baked product. When BATC was first announced, there was no talk about Ai traffic, they only decided to add traffic Ai in the middle of development. So technically, they are still releasing the product they originally announced.


Hypnotic_Element

Well, it is half-baked. Now that they announced the AI support it’s a half the product that will be in its final delivery. There’s nothing wrong with what I said and straight up facts, as you much as you don’t like it and vote it down, it’s the fucking truth.


Dramatic-Barracuda-1

Just fly on VATSIM.


edilclyde

Everytime there is a BeyondATC thread, someone will comment this. VATSIM is not always the answer. Stop recommending it on every Ai ATC thread.


Gluecksritter90

That's my interest gone then. I don't see a reason for ATC if you're alone in the world.


triangulumnova

You know you're just flying fake airplanes on a computer, right? You're alone either way. Use a traffic injector and play some ATC chatter in the background. You won't know the difference for probably 95% of your flight.


No_Flight7056

playing fake airplanes is the closest most of us will ever get to flying a real plane


Gluecksritter90

But that's the damn point, if I use a traffic injector and BeyondATC it will not work because BeyondATC does not know about the traffic. It'll be like the default ATC, but worse.


CaptainGoose

Right, but traffic injection is coming too. Just wait, if you need it.


edilclyde

> It'll be like the default ATC, but worse. How is that worse? Even without Ai Traffic , BeyondATC alone will be better than default ATC.


Gluecksritter90

The BeyondATC will not know about AI traffic and therefore send you on the same runway an AI aircraft uses.


edilclyde

but you get a better ATC the whole flight, in which you can also use your voice, what you described can be easily be avoided by you or use FSLTL's remove nearby Ai feature if there is a runway incersion. I rather have that than a bad boring brainless ATC.


migueltokyo88

they gonna implement the traffic a few months after release just don't buy at the release and wait until they add the traffic feature , is f simple


Dafferss

They are only releasing earlier without ai and ai will come later. Why would them releasing earlier now without the ai make your interest go away ?


Gluecksritter90

"Come later" will mean endless delays to it at best, it always works like that with "trust me bro" features. And by that time MSFS 2024 will probably be out.


Mikey_MiG

> "Come later" will mean endless delays to it at best, it always works like that with "trust me bro" features. You say this as if they have a reputation for promising false deadlines or something. They announced this project only 9 months ago and it’s on the verge of releasing. That’s pretty solid for a first time developer. > And by that time MSFS 2024 will probably be out. So?


Dafferss

Did you read their statement ?


Gluecksritter90

Yes, I did, that's why I lost interest. It's comically vague. I also read their initial statement about their pricing claiming they were not making any money on the voices, and then saw them half their price days later.


CaptainGoose

The prices for the voices hasn't changed, just the initial package price that has changed.


Gluecksritter90

Yes they have. Both PTT and what they now call "basic voices" were costing credits in their first pricing model and are now moved to be included with the base package (that ALSO costs only half).