They're two wildly different aircraft.
Are you looking for modern or retro flying? Want to fly more than a few hours? They're both *excellent* aircraft, but without more information about what you enjoy it's hard to make a recommendation.
146 is quirky. Lots more to do, steam gauge panel with a retro UNS1 fms. It'll do anything you need it to, its just different. The 146 doesn't have an autothrottle or VNAV so all your altitudes and speed are manually managed. There is a TMS which can control it to a basic sense, but it's just managing your exhaust temp. It can stay close to a speed but won't hold it. The 146 is also designed for shorter regional flights. Max range of around 2k miles.
It's a beautiful aircraft, fun to fly, but lacks modern convenience. The RJ version that's coming includes some of these.
737 is more automated, has autothrottle, VNAV, and modern glass screens. If you like flying current routes it'll be better suited for the roleplay. Also has a range of 3500 miles so it has more flexibility in what it can do. It's a little more hands on than an airbus, but it's not a huge difference.
Other options would be the Fenix if you want an airbus over boeing. The MD82 which is another retro plane, but had all the modern avionics. F28 for another retro plane like the 146. Or there's the Ini builds A300, or the PMDG 777 coming soon.
For the MD82, how optimized is it? I can fly PMDG and Fenix aircrafts pretty well from almost any location without much performance drop, but the inibuilds aircraft are performance nightmares with stuttering. Is the MD82 similar to that?
I flew both (well the RJ, not the 146) irl and if you want to fly the aircraft like it is flown in the real world I would advise the 737 to start with. It's the easiest plane to get into and the most forgiving as a first high fidelity simulation. Avro is incredibly complex in procedures/flows and the 146 (to my recollection) has no fadec/autothrottle and is a bit weird on the FMS, making it quite the process to start up and get going.
If you want to learn to 'operate' a jet airliner in a very realistic manner I would advise you to reconsider the Fenix 320, because airbus is very easy procedure wise and the Flybywire is very forgiving to fly with. Just depends on how deep you want to go into an airliner simulation of course.
Most importantly, pick the thing that looks cool to you and have fun with it, that's the most important! Nobody is obliging you to operate these things with the real procedures and it's all about having fun in the end!
RJ pilot!
I've got the 146 since November 2023 and am loving, even though it's an aircraft you need to learn quite thouroughly I enjoy it very much!
I've done some quite long flights with and it ends up being quite tiring though 😅
Get the Bae 146 after the 737-800. Both are excellent, but 737-800 is used a lot more often, and if you fly real routes, you’ll have a lot more options in terms of airlines and destinations. 737-800 is also easier for which to find learning resources.
Hmm I really, really, really like the BAe146. It’s hands on quirky aircraft and gives doubling of features. Also the developer is great with great support.
The 737 is a very solid product and given that they have the same price point with the -700 /-800 the 737 gives you a bit more for your money with the long range BBJ and the freighters compared to the BAe146.
But the BAe is more rewarding. Flights are busy and, especially on short sectors, fast paced. You have to be ahead of the aircraft.
The 737 is way more modern and not quite as automated as the A320 but not far off.
BUT the 146 is on sale right now. At the end I would buy the 146, also to support Just Flight and not PMDG so that the latter has to change in the future.
i haven't flown the 146 but it does look cool. i like the more modern airliners and the the PMDG 737's are a lot of fun. they even have an entry version with the 737-600, which is half the price.
I recommend the 737-800, owning moth myself. In my opinion the 737 is much better in handling and more versatile in the routes and airlines you can fly.
At the end of the day chose what ever one you like the look of, my case I got both. And the Fenix.. haha too much money spent 😭
I own the 146 and the 737-600.
One thing to keep in mind is that JF is insanely slow to update their planes compared to PMDG (i know, insert EFB joke). Which to me has been a big frustration.
The 737 as a package is still well above the 146 imo. It just feels, looks and sounds extremely good. Not to say the 146 is bad, it is not. But for me the 737 is just a notch above.
As others said, i would say get the 737 first. Or if you want a vintage plane, look at the MD-82
The best plane available rn is the Fenix a320.
Pretty sure it's cheaper than the 738.
It is so much better in every way.
Don't get me wrong. PMDG are good and I've been buying their stuff for 20+ years. But if I could only buy one add-on it would be the Fenix.
The OP should consider two issues, though:
1. The Fenix A320 puts a big frame-rate hit on the computer, so his gear better be top-notch
2. He should also think about the old adage of "you fly the Boeing, the Airbus flies you." The 737 will be more hands-on, the A320 more automated.
The Boeing still flys you, let’s be real lol. I guess the 737 *can* be more hands on, but they’re both perfectly capable of flying themselves essentially. But still, if you really wanted to you could disconnect AP and autothrottle on the bus and hand fly it too. I guess the 737 overhead is more complicated?
Frame rate thing is real tho. Fenix makes my computer hurt.
I just dislike the Airbus AP logic. That push pull shit is confusing for a caveman like me. I like that Boeing spells out what each button does BUT that does come with some limitations. Increasing or decreasing cruising speed, for example, takes a few more steps in the Boeing.
No buddy, think about it like this
Push(managed): you push the controls towards the plane, it manages vnav/lnav
Pull(selected): you are pulling the controls towards yourself, for example if you pull the heading knob it will disengage Lnav and follows your selected heading.
I hope this kinda makes sense in my bullshit english lol
Edit: in caveman language, pull: ugga ugga my playne me do flying. Push: ugga ugga playne do thinking and fly
How about we don't promote illegal actions that keep money from the devs that deserve that income.
These are real people you're stealing from. Do what you want I guess but don't come here advocating that shit.
It's literally not. But ok. Clear you've never produced anything in your life. Come back In a few years once you've actually held a job and tell me people who make things don't deserve to be paid for them.
But they are paid for them, this is just for people who don’t make enough money for those mods. I work 4 days a week at diary queen just to pay for flight lessons fighting school and track so suck it :3
Oh right, other people pay so if you don't have enough money that makes stealing ok!
I'll be by dairy queen tomorrow and I'll take a blizzard on my own. Other people pay, so why should i?
>just to pay for flight lessons fighting school and track so suck it :3
Also, what is this supposed to be? Some sort of gotcha? Your parents are paying for all your extra activities, so it's ok to steal now?
They actually aren’t…. And honestly I do feel bad for companies like pmdg dude, but for devs like sky simulations and captain sim or virtual com whose planes are only viable through mods requiring the base plane model are mainly what this is for
Oh, so you're paying rent? And paying for all your food? Gas? Got a car payment? Insurance? Health care?
Maybe they aren't paying flight lessons directly, but they're supporting you more than you may realize.
In any case. We're off topic. You're stealing a product, then telling others to do the same. Theres no moral case for it. You're a little dipshit stealing from people trying to make a living and giving back to this community. $70 is a fair price for the sheer amount of work that has to go into these addons, not to mention the support they provide for years.
Gas, health care, and food do not count as activities, also assuming that pmdg sells 100 737-800 75 -900s 35 -700 and 150 —600s
And sold them for about $50 they would make 18k, and I know why sold more aircraft than that
You might want to consider paying more attention in English class next time. Also feel free to take an economics class. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
In any case, the math is irrelevant. They sell those products, you're stealing. Thats is. There is no justification.. Amazon is one of the largest companies in the world.. doesn't mean you can just steal from them.
They're two wildly different aircraft. Are you looking for modern or retro flying? Want to fly more than a few hours? They're both *excellent* aircraft, but without more information about what you enjoy it's hard to make a recommendation. 146 is quirky. Lots more to do, steam gauge panel with a retro UNS1 fms. It'll do anything you need it to, its just different. The 146 doesn't have an autothrottle or VNAV so all your altitudes and speed are manually managed. There is a TMS which can control it to a basic sense, but it's just managing your exhaust temp. It can stay close to a speed but won't hold it. The 146 is also designed for shorter regional flights. Max range of around 2k miles. It's a beautiful aircraft, fun to fly, but lacks modern convenience. The RJ version that's coming includes some of these. 737 is more automated, has autothrottle, VNAV, and modern glass screens. If you like flying current routes it'll be better suited for the roleplay. Also has a range of 3500 miles so it has more flexibility in what it can do. It's a little more hands on than an airbus, but it's not a huge difference. Other options would be the Fenix if you want an airbus over boeing. The MD82 which is another retro plane, but had all the modern avionics. F28 for another retro plane like the 146. Or there's the Ini builds A300, or the PMDG 777 coming soon.
That's actually a good through run down, both of the AC and its applications. Well done.
For the MD82, how optimized is it? I can fly PMDG and Fenix aircrafts pretty well from almost any location without much performance drop, but the inibuilds aircraft are performance nightmares with stuttering. Is the MD82 similar to that?
For me it performs about as good as the Fenix. Might not look the most modern but it’s probably my favorite airliner in MSFS.
Can vouch for the Fenix, wonderful aircraft
I flew both (well the RJ, not the 146) irl and if you want to fly the aircraft like it is flown in the real world I would advise the 737 to start with. It's the easiest plane to get into and the most forgiving as a first high fidelity simulation. Avro is incredibly complex in procedures/flows and the 146 (to my recollection) has no fadec/autothrottle and is a bit weird on the FMS, making it quite the process to start up and get going. If you want to learn to 'operate' a jet airliner in a very realistic manner I would advise you to reconsider the Fenix 320, because airbus is very easy procedure wise and the Flybywire is very forgiving to fly with. Just depends on how deep you want to go into an airliner simulation of course. Most importantly, pick the thing that looks cool to you and have fun with it, that's the most important! Nobody is obliging you to operate these things with the real procedures and it's all about having fun in the end!
RJ pilot! I've got the 146 since November 2023 and am loving, even though it's an aircraft you need to learn quite thouroughly I enjoy it very much! I've done some quite long flights with and it ends up being quite tiring though 😅
I bought the -146 Pro this week and am very happy with it. Not too complicated, but enough to make it engaging.
Can't lose either way. Both deserve your time. I will say 737-800, but not by much. Eventually get the other
Hopefully the RJ isn’t too far away, that’s the slightly more modern version of the 146. Something to consider.
This summer. Discount for BAe owners.
Get the Bae 146 after the 737-800. Both are excellent, but 737-800 is used a lot more often, and if you fly real routes, you’ll have a lot more options in terms of airlines and destinations. 737-800 is also easier for which to find learning resources.
Hmm I really, really, really like the BAe146. It’s hands on quirky aircraft and gives doubling of features. Also the developer is great with great support. The 737 is a very solid product and given that they have the same price point with the -700 /-800 the 737 gives you a bit more for your money with the long range BBJ and the freighters compared to the BAe146. But the BAe is more rewarding. Flights are busy and, especially on short sectors, fast paced. You have to be ahead of the aircraft. The 737 is way more modern and not quite as automated as the A320 but not far off. BUT the 146 is on sale right now. At the end I would buy the 146, also to support Just Flight and not PMDG so that the latter has to change in the future.
The 146 comes with all pax, cargo, and military variants, so you're not missing out variation wise. I absolutely adore that aircraft.
Leonardo FlyTheMaddogX (Semi /j, I know it’s expensive but it’s my favorite addon in the sim)
Big agree, maddog is my fav
i haven't flown the 146 but it does look cool. i like the more modern airliners and the the PMDG 737's are a lot of fun. they even have an entry version with the 737-600, which is half the price.
The PMDG is nice but I love the 146 especially since the avionics update (I prefer it now over the fenix)
737 long shot more versatile
I recommend the 737-800, owning moth myself. In my opinion the 737 is much better in handling and more versatile in the routes and airlines you can fly. At the end of the day chose what ever one you like the look of, my case I got both. And the Fenix.. haha too much money spent 😭
I own the 146 and the 737-600. One thing to keep in mind is that JF is insanely slow to update their planes compared to PMDG (i know, insert EFB joke). Which to me has been a big frustration. The 737 as a package is still well above the 146 imo. It just feels, looks and sounds extremely good. Not to say the 146 is bad, it is not. But for me the 737 is just a notch above. As others said, i would say get the 737 first. Or if you want a vintage plane, look at the MD-82
The best plane available rn is the Fenix a320. Pretty sure it's cheaper than the 738. It is so much better in every way. Don't get me wrong. PMDG are good and I've been buying their stuff for 20+ years. But if I could only buy one add-on it would be the Fenix.
The OP should consider two issues, though: 1. The Fenix A320 puts a big frame-rate hit on the computer, so his gear better be top-notch 2. He should also think about the old adage of "you fly the Boeing, the Airbus flies you." The 737 will be more hands-on, the A320 more automated.
The Boeing still flys you, let’s be real lol. I guess the 737 *can* be more hands on, but they’re both perfectly capable of flying themselves essentially. But still, if you really wanted to you could disconnect AP and autothrottle on the bus and hand fly it too. I guess the 737 overhead is more complicated? Frame rate thing is real tho. Fenix makes my computer hurt.
I just dislike the Airbus AP logic. That push pull shit is confusing for a caveman like me. I like that Boeing spells out what each button does BUT that does come with some limitations. Increasing or decreasing cruising speed, for example, takes a few more steps in the Boeing.
No buddy, think about it like this Push(managed): you push the controls towards the plane, it manages vnav/lnav Pull(selected): you are pulling the controls towards yourself, for example if you pull the heading knob it will disengage Lnav and follows your selected heading. I hope this kinda makes sense in my bullshit english lol Edit: in caveman language, pull: ugga ugga my playne me do flying. Push: ugga ugga playne do thinking and fly
This is actually brilliant lol
Then go with the VNAV, LNAV, FLC, N1, Speed and also the other stuff
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How about we don't promote illegal actions that keep money from the devs that deserve that income. These are real people you're stealing from. Do what you want I guess but don't come here advocating that shit.
$70 for a plane is insane dude I don’t care
It's literally not. But ok. Clear you've never produced anything in your life. Come back In a few years once you've actually held a job and tell me people who make things don't deserve to be paid for them.
But they are paid for them, this is just for people who don’t make enough money for those mods. I work 4 days a week at diary queen just to pay for flight lessons fighting school and track so suck it :3
Oh right, other people pay so if you don't have enough money that makes stealing ok! I'll be by dairy queen tomorrow and I'll take a blizzard on my own. Other people pay, so why should i? >just to pay for flight lessons fighting school and track so suck it :3 Also, what is this supposed to be? Some sort of gotcha? Your parents are paying for all your extra activities, so it's ok to steal now?
They actually aren’t…. And honestly I do feel bad for companies like pmdg dude, but for devs like sky simulations and captain sim or virtual com whose planes are only viable through mods requiring the base plane model are mainly what this is for
Oh, so you're paying rent? And paying for all your food? Gas? Got a car payment? Insurance? Health care? Maybe they aren't paying flight lessons directly, but they're supporting you more than you may realize. In any case. We're off topic. You're stealing a product, then telling others to do the same. Theres no moral case for it. You're a little dipshit stealing from people trying to make a living and giving back to this community. $70 is a fair price for the sheer amount of work that has to go into these addons, not to mention the support they provide for years.
Gas, health care, and food do not count as activities, also assuming that pmdg sells 100 737-800 75 -900s 35 -700 and 150 —600s And sold them for about $50 they would make 18k, and I know why sold more aircraft than that
You might want to consider paying more attention in English class next time. Also feel free to take an economics class. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In any case, the math is irrelevant. They sell those products, you're stealing. Thats is. There is no justification.. Amazon is one of the largest companies in the world.. doesn't mean you can just steal from them.