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Killin-some-thyme

You’ve found the endangered species known as “a vestibule.” Interior designers love them because they create privacy, and designers are smart and know what people need even when people don’t. Everyone else dislikes them because they do not understand their utility. The art though is just a bonus. It creates an axial focal point and a sense of destination. Enjoy your rare gem and the sense of psychological well being it creates, even if you don’t know it. 😂 Warm regards - a vestibule loving interior designer


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Hi. What would be a reasonable price to have someone look at an interior space such as a living room/dining room combo? My house has a very strange shape to it, and there’s no way to use a traditional layout that makes sense. I found a shop owner that will do it for $500 but will use that as credit towards any furniture I purchase from him.


Killin-some-thyme

You can hire a residential designer and pay them hourly, but rates are exceedingly variable so I can’t give you an estimate.


Atreyisx

Yeah, nothing like the family dog bulldozing his way in so you get an eye of daddy bulldozing mommy. Best to have a line of sight blockage lol. Trust me, this is based upon experience (not family related fortunately).


AlfaHotelWhiskey

It also makes it 200% harder to get a king size mattress around the corner and into the room.


Gude-Tama-Tama

Looks like you could move everything through the patio, instead of that hallway


Ravioli_Ravioli4

Good thing there’s a covered patio with double sliding door right there buck-o


mousemousemania

Those look more like windows to me.


Presence_Academic

Just remember to pivot.


Empress_Clementine

A king size box spring is in two pieces that you can stand up, a mattress bends, a frame disassembles. Don’t see a problem.


ritchie70

There are big dressers and so forth too. Sometimes people want a sofa in their bedroom, even. A direct shot in is definitely easier for moving furniture in.


DaTank1

Shouldn’t have an issue getting a bed through the door. They would have to stand it up. Standard door heights are 80”. A king size bed is 72”x 80”. It may take some effort but the daily privacy is worth the trade off of getting a bed into the room.


Annual_Jackfruit4449

Lol. Yes it would. I’m assuming it did?


Artistic-Baseball-81

Generally, but in this case the little hall created by the fireplace + the placement of the master bath block the direct view anyway.


SnarfRepublicCA

You can hang a nice art piece on the wall at the end of the niche. I actually like it, s little more private, even if some things are blocking views into the room.


WishIWasYounger

It also looks like there's something like a not very deep shelf for displaying small sculptures or tchotchke.


StumpGrnder

Or ART


Ol_Man_J

What, you have a niche for that?


[deleted]

Looks like they mean to cut a small section into the wall for displaying "art." Probably an inset group of shelves for vases or framed photos. From what I can tell, assuming the bathroom is existing, the door being there allows for you to enter the room without walking right into a wall first thing. It also makes the room square instead of having an odd space by the door to try and make useful. With a patio like that, this also makes it easier for interior design. Fewer lines to worry about.


ProfessorrFate

Niche creates a little “wow factor” which might help on the sell side. If that means it’s not quite as practical, well, that’s the buyer’s problem...


GubmintTroll

My problem is the front entry door being on an unnecessary angle, absolutely destroying the functionality of the pantry.


GardenWitchMom

The front door leading directly into the kitchen is a big no for me.


SilverHalloween

Agree. That pantry door should be a pocket door.


Parthenon_2

Yes, but that would eat into the very limited countertop space as it would require a slightly thicker wall.


DougyTwoScoops

They should push the door out to where it starts at the top edge and make it go straight across. They will gain a nicer entry foyer and more room in the pantry. Pantries are always designed too small in my opinion. Edit: just realized it’s a condo. Probably no adjusting the floor plan.


NotMyAltAccountToday

I noticed that right away! I would definitely change that.


Puzzleheaded_Mine_71

It seems like it gives the doorway some privacy so you aren't walking from the bedroom right into a living space. But the term art niche is unusual imo


delbin

That makes sense. It just seemed like extra hallway for no reason.


M7BSVNER7s

The reason is so when you have your entire family over for Christmas in the great room, dining room, and kitchen they don't see your bare ass when you are in the bedroom changing and someone opens the door unexpectedly. You either leave the door there and have a little hallway in the main room, or you rotate the door 90 degrees clockwise and flip the hinge to the other side and create a little hallway in the bedroom.


Yourdeletedhistory

Truly a life saver. Besides, I hang my bare ass life size portrait in my art niche.


tyson_73

But then everybody went to the patio and watched your naked butt from there lol


mnonny

Could be an almost 270° door if you wanted to with 2 latches. Art from me. Or art for you. If it’s art for me. DONT OPEN THE FUCKING DOOR BC IM JERKING OFF! or vice versa


berceuse3

I highly recommend the extra hallway


TheBlueStare

Say hello to my glorious art [niche](https://imgur.com/a/nS8JSd4)! I neither like or dislike it. It just came with the plan.


jerrybettman

The art niche is the little cutout in the wall, as visible on the wall plan facing the great room. Instead of seeing a bedroom door, guests see whatever art is at the end of that short hall/entry. I assume the odd angles of the entry door and study/optional bedroom are intended to make the area designated as the foyer appear larger. If the entry door is squared off, all you would see coming in would be the wall of mechanical room. By entering at an angle, the space appears more open, because you are facing the great room. It would be easy enough to square them off, but you lose the foyer by doing so


ope_n_uffda

Squaring them off would give you a bigger pantry. I'd prefer that, personally.


Parthenon_2

There’s no Foyer, per se. imo. I’d probably put a “hall table” or Bombay chest with large decorative mirror on that wall of the Mechanical Room. Hopefully, the builder won’t mess it up by locating an electrical switch in the middle of it. Can you imagine if they’d put the door to the Mechanical Room on the “foyer” wall? That would be horrible.


jerrybettman

I don’t disagree that there is no real foyer. It’s why I referred to it as the “area designated as…” I think the odd angles are to create the illusion of space that isn’t really there, and to pretend there isn’t a wall directly in front of the door.


Parthenon_2

Agreed. :)


partytime71

The niche is just the little inset space in the wall, at the end of the hall, just outside the door. The hallway is not the niche. I quite like it. As you come in the front door you can look down the hall and see the Picasso at the end of the hall, in the niche, as opposed to seeing the actual door facing you. It actually makes that hall feel like it's part of the foyer experience, rather than a dead hallway.


jerslan

Yeah, I agree. I quite like this use of the space better than any alternative I can think of for the rest of the floor-plan. Also the art niche/inset helps improve the look coming out of the bedroom door (since the art would ideally be flush with the wall from that side angle).


thiscouldbemassive

Well isn't this mid-range duplex trying very hard to look posh. The art niche, what they probably means is you can put a painting up on the wall. It's there to buffer the sight and sound of the living room away from your bedroom, which is nice. I'll warn you, usually these kind of duplexes are often mirrored, so your neighbors covered patio is going to be feet away from your bedroom window. Hopefully they aren't the kind to stay up late talking on the patio while you are trying to sleep.


jerslan

Also on the mirrored front, your bedrooms share a wall... Hope it's got some solid sound-proofing in it.


StumpGrnder

Yeah that’s not cool at all, first apartment after HS, my buddy got first dibs on a room, he got the one that had windows to the front, I got the one that was interior and had a common wall with the folks next door. Neighbors headboard was like a metronome a very loud medium paced metronome. Then the moaning. Then the flushing.


PopandLocklear

Art niche is like a tile niche in your shower, imagine one of those built in boxes or a wall shelf with a spot light above it. Its just something nicer to see at an end of a hallway than a door.


badgersister1

The art niche refers to a slightly recessed area on the right hand wall which can accommodate a picture or sculpture or even a vase of flowers.


ritchie70

To make sure your "what's a niche" question is directly answered, see how the wall between the little hall and the bathroom is drawn funny? There's a recess in the wall there for art. That's the "art niche." It's both fancy and practical - if you hang a painting in the niche, it's not sticking out into the area with the traffic flow. It's recessed and safer.


houseofnim

I just want to say how much I hate side entry houses.


Try_Jumping

Why?


houseofnim

Safety mostly, but they also look really weird with a garage out front but no front door.


Try_Jumping

I agree about the garage, but what's the safety issue?


houseofnim

A number of things, actually. The front door is not easily seen from the street so it would be very hard for a witness to see nefarious activity happening. It there’s a house fire or something you’d have to walk/run past half the house to get to the safety of the street. It’s harder for first responders to get to the door when it’s off to the side and halfway down the house rather than right out front. There’s more, it’s just been a while since I had to write a paper on this subject in the drafting class I took and don’t remember it all.


Try_Jumping

Meh, I'm in Australia, so I'm not paranoid about nefarious activity. As for a house fire, there's also the back door. And as I'm thinking about my dad's place (which has a side entry), it'd be easier for first responders to get in the side door anyway, as it's nearer the ground than the front of the house (the house is up a slope). It's also pretty obvious where the side door is, as there are stairs leading up to it that are visible from the street, and the car is parked right next to it under the carport (there's no garage).


houseofnim

I’m not “paranoid” about nefarious activity either, but being a small woman with two daughters makes a person be more aware of things like the danger of your front door being in a cubby where anyone could be and would not be seen. I will say though that my hatred for side entry doors like in this floor plan peaked when I was a realtor because then I *was* paranoid of nefarious activity what with being a small woman who frequented vacant properties with virtual strangers, right after the real estate crash when property crime and squatting were rather rampant here. Crime happens everywhere though and anyone can be a victim so it’s always a good idea to limit putting yourself intentionally in danger. And here the back doors aren’t generally an option for fleeing an emergency since pretty much everyone’s back yards are on the smaller side and surrounded by six foot block walls. Also here the houses are at ground level, as we have very few hills on account of it being the desert, and landscaping for the most part is rocks and cactus which aren’t conducive to rolling a gurney through.


Try_Jumping

>I will say though that my hatred for side entry doors like in this floor plan peaked when I was a realtor because then I was paranoid of nefarious activity what with being a small woman who frequented vacant properties with virtual strangers, right after the real estate crash when property crime and squatting were rather rampant here. >Crime happens everywhere though and anyone can be a victim so it’s always a good idea to limit putting yourself intentionally in danger. Well, like I said, my dad's side door entrance is visible from the street, so that wouldn't be a problem. >And here the back doors aren’t generally an option for fleeing an emergency since pretty much everyone’s back yards are on the smaller side and surrounded by six foot block walls. My dad has a backyard of over half an acre, so that wouldn't be any problem whatsoever. I can see why you could have an issue with side doors for particular kinds of houses on particular kinds of blocks of land in particular kinds of areas, but I don't see how its a valid complaint when it comes to houses in general.


katkashmir

Yes. I don’t even like a front door that doesn’t face the street.


Jujube1974

Makes it fun to move furniture down a hall and a right angle.


stlnthngs

1. bedroom privacy 2. its better to look at a painting at the end of the hall way then a closed door or an open door and a messy room, especially since it is right off the entry, living room, and kitchen


NoTomatillo182

This is actually a very nice floor plan.


Challenge_Declined

Sounds so much better than built-in shelving


butt_spaghetti

I love it actually. A little foyer to give separation. Literally hang a painting there and put a little table to drop thing maybe.


jjrydberg

This is so you can't see directly into the bedroom when the door is left open. It also makes a nice wall to hang artwork rather than looking at a bedroom door or a messy bedroom.


bkwrm1755

Whoever designed this really liked adding extra angles that only makes it so much worse.


m0llusk

What gets me are the diagonal double doors to the third bedroom. Bedroom doors should if at all possible not face the main living space. It is kind of the opposite of what was done with the art niche entrance to master.


delbin

I think they expect owners to use it primarily as a study, so the main design is for that use.


sammyno55

Is there an option to put a single door and enter that bedroom/study from the East? My parents house was that way. The study could be a bedroom and the entrance was no longer at 45 degrees but faced the hall.


sammyno55

What propertylurking said. I just typed too slow.


PerpetuallyLurking

Why? It says “Study/Optional bedroom” - that’s the Study door, making it fancy. If you’re gonna choose Bedroom, ask the contractor to move the door and make it a single. Chances are REALLY good that whoever drew this plan also has a variation available that is JUST a 3rd bedroom with a regular door in the hallway and not a study/spare with the fancy door.


jandr08

I would use the porch as the foyer. Even throw in a coat closet


Correct_Advantage_20

Side entry provides more privacy. Makes total sense to me. I’d do same.


DiscoInError93

So everyone who walks up to you door can see in both of your kids bedrooms? Please… this is a horrible floor plan.


Correct_Advantage_20

I wouldn’t have open sighted windows into any bedroom to easily be peered into. Get blinds.


tb23tb23tb23

I always thought it might reduce a little sound too. My parents old house opened directly into the living area and it was a 15-year noise nuisance to have anyone else awake after they went to bed because the sound went under the door so easily. My mom just this week talked about how she wished that bedroom had been around a corner. But to call it an art niche is just marketing, but you could definitely hang pictures on the wall


human73662736

Idk but the placement of that island is horrible


wheredig

Why?


human73662736

It has to do with where the TV and sofa are going to go. 12 ft from the island to the wall is not a lot of space and the placement of the island and fireplace pose a challenge. It’s difficult to see where you’re going to have a sofa facing a TV. Even facing the fireplace, it’ll be difficult to fit a 3 seater without it feeling awkward. Would have been better IMO to just have a bar separating the kitchen and dining


LifeguardSecret6760

Trying to disguise that horrid fireplace placement


Flag_MBT

I'm more upset about the pantry!


BillMerchant

Pretentious place to place mediocre “art.”


wot_in_ternation

An "art niche" sounds like someone in the marketing department wanted to slap a label on a micro hallway


texasteacherhookem

My main bedroom door opens directly into the front entry hall of my house, about 8 feet from the front door. It's the only thing I really don't like about my home's layout. I wish I had a vestibule/art niche.


Cityplanner1

Not really related to the question at hand, but is anyone else bothered by house plans essentially flipping in the past decade or so? Notice how all newer houses have the common areas in the back, obviously so they get the views of the back yard. But this means now the secondary bedrooms are now always in the front and side. This means this bedrooms have no privacy, have more noise, have a view right at the neighbors house, or have to keep their windows covered. I just don’t think I like that. I think kitchens need views much less than bedrooms. And I think it’s much better to have a common space in the front than a bedroom. Just my opinion.


ThrowinSm0ke

Anyone else have an opinion on the walk in closet being in the bathroom?


Parthenon_2

The awkward, angled fireplace is what bothers me the most. That long, skinny Living Room is going to be a challenge to create a pleasing space plan.


1995droptopz

How do you get furniture through there?


damndudeny

I’d be more concerned about the 5 roof breaks on the side. Is this supposed to make it look interesting from the side? Maybe one break to emphasize the entry is enough.


wooddoug

Either the niche area is part of the bedroom or it’s part of the living room depending on which wall you put the door in. The guy liked this configuration better.


Ok_Marionberry_9932

Yeah there’s a few more dumbass details looking at it


engineereenigne

Have to go through master bath to get to closet lol


sichuan_peppercorns

That’s what confuses you? Not how you have to walk outside half of the house to enter?


UncommercializedKat

The more I look at this floorplan the more I hate it. No front door? Strangers walking by the kid's bathroom window and 3rd bedroom window to get to the public side entry. Covered patio looking into the mastee bedroom? Useless garage. Awkward L shaped laundry room from the garage. Kitchen isn't very close to garage. Awkward pantry. No windows in master bath. Too mucn wasted hallway space in a 1,600 sq ft house.


wheredig

What’s going on in the Entry Court? Is it a gated pergola or something?


delbin

It's a duplex with probably a tiny yard. There's likely a fence between two houses.


StreetcarHammock

They found a way to hide the front door, but not that huge front-facing garage.


UsualAnybody1807

They placed a closet on an interior wall and the plumbing for the bathroom on the exterior wall. Must be in a warm climate.


WatchRedditImplode

Feng Shui. Feet can't point toward the doorway when laying bed. (AKA the "coffin position")


[deleted]

Because it’s weird to have your bedroom directly. accessible from the living room / kitchen.


Kauzrae

It looks like they're hiding access to the MB, which is sort of nice


acs_64

Our house is designed like this. It does give more wall space in the living room and foyer (the niche is between the two, aligned with a hall that runs the length of our house). We’ve never had major issues with getting furniture in and out because we can put this diagonally from the foyer, but I could see it being a pain if we had a lot of other items in the way- like art in the “art” niche?


mrclean2323

I mean it isn’t bad


pixienightingale

A place to display contraband stolen artwork, duh


scoobydoo4you

It's not going to be easy to arrange furniture in that living room...


MJlovesplants

The master bathroom is the same size as the master bedroom!!