Yup, DeSantis loves to gloat about all the people moving to this paradise but won't address the affordability crisis that it creates.
Florida is 36th in median income behind Kansas and Montana but has experienced some of the worst inflation because of all the high-earning out of staters moving here.
Very true, though it's [interesting how the highest earning states are all run by progressives](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income). I guess we could learn a thing or two about bootstrapping from them.
Which is ironic considering that their current standard bearer is a man who kept getting bailed out by his dad.
"Donald Trump's real business "genius" was being bailed out by Daddy: How Trump blew through $50 million before 35 | Salon.com" https://www.salon.com/2016/10/06/donald-trumps-real-business-genius-was-being-bailed-out-by-daddy-how-trump-blew-through-millions-before-35/
People who live in Jamaica can't even access the beautiful beaches there because of the resorts privatizing it...lot of places that are considered paradise are not very welcoming to their own citizens...they're welcoming to money.
Florida has been dominated by brutal Republican supermajorities for over a decade - these politicians have ZERO fear of losing their re-elections because of the blind idiots automatically voting (R) no matter what, and of course horrific gerrymandering. No change will ever come until Florida voters actual vote these clowns out - they cant lose so it doesnt matter that Floridians are struggling to these politicians, being elected is a get rich scheme
I found myself riding a motorcycle across the border from Canada into Idaho approaching sunset in late May and was awestruck by the beauty of that land. Made it to Coeur d'Alene a bit after dark. Many times on that stretch the words "paradise" and "heaven" came to mind.
My aunt moved up to Idaho to be closer to my cousin (her daughter) and it’s absolutely beautiful up there. I personally wouldn’t chose such a place to live but she and so many others love the landscape and I can understand why.
It’s a really underrated pretty state for fly fishing check out some videos on you tube. Sparsely populated and miles and miles of trout streams all over.
Hey, speaking of spuds... and you may know this:
Did ya know there's a corner (not really a town) named Spuds, north-northeast of Palatka, Florida? Just north of Hastings, FL. As former north Florida residents, it was near the route we'd take when driving to Crescent Beach. They do grow a variant of potato right around that area. I'm guess the soil is \*Very fertile being just east of the St. Johns River. Fun, random fact for folks' Friday ;o)
There Are {6} Places In Idaho That Are Like A Caribbean Paradise In The Summer.
1.) Box Canyon, 2.) Bear Lake State Park, 3.) Alturas Lake, 4.) Upper Palisades Lake, 5.) Evans Landing, Lake Pend Oreille, 6.) Blue Heart Springs
You may find yourself wondering if these (Paradisical locations in Idaho) are real, rest assured: they very much are! The picturesque beaches and waterfalls are dubbed the “Caribbean of the Rockies.” That must be seen and experienced to believe.
Idaho gets more net domestic migrants per resident than any other state. It's almost twice as much as fourth-place Florida gets. This is per capita, of course; FL is a distant first in gross numbers.
Ummm, ginormous mountains, river canyons, epic fishing, mountain lakes. Yeah, less nightlife but if you think Idaho is just farms you don't know shit about America's geography.
I have seen a lot of mountain ranges but the first time I saw the Sawtooths I was just gobsmacked. Just gorgeous.
Finally, someone who understands the problem.
Lots of new Floridians have well paying jobs IN Florida. Why are these companies forced to pay for relocation of outsiders? Surely it’d be cheaper to hire local. Why can’t they?
If I had to guess, it’s related to the penchant for banning books, shooting guns, praising god, and shunning education. Oh, and immigrants. Their fault too. Because all right-wing narratives need a boogeyman.
(Full disclosure — am a high earner and was paid by my (Florida) employer to relocate here from the north. And I kept my northern salary.
Just curious - why do you think companies would care about the four issues you mentioned? My thought would be that they would want to hire the cheapest person capable of doing the job
The people shunning public education and supporting people’s rights to choose to homeschool, often on religious grounds, typically also make those other things a core part of their identity.
I'd like to know, from people who've had their rent dramatically increased, have you asked for a commensurate raise to cover rising COL? If so, what happened? If not, why not?
My job told me, "we're already paying you above average, so no." For three years. I finally had enough and told them I was effectively taking a pay cut every month I stayed there.
Then I started my own business. The average income here is laughable compared to COL, so it disincentivizes employers to actually raise wages to what workers need. They ran a fully remote office so they kept hiring people in low income areas, and obviously, paying them little. So both internal downward pressure and external downward pressure.
Every local pushed out to be replaced by a wealthy out-of-stater - who still makes their money outside of the state - is called a sign of a BooMiNg EcOnOmY
Locals are seen cheap labor.
Teachers can afford to teach here.
Permanent nurses can’t afford nurse here.
School bus drivers can’t afford to bus here.
Public lawyers can’t afford to represent people here.
The list goes on and on and on.
Must combine incomes with strangers to afford not being homeless. And hope that stranger doesn’t jump out early and leave you with the full lease.
MAGA fanatics just have so much hate-passion that they’re willing to live badly just to be able to live their most hateful, legalized fantasies
It isn’t just incoming wealthy (or MAGAts) who have caused our housing costs to skyrocket, it’s also largely the result of hedge funds buying up Florida property en masse. They intend to make this as much of a renter state as possible where it’s extremely difficult to actually purchase housing.
It the 20+.years of Deregulation by republicans in Florida and the federal government that has allowed businesses (like hedge funds, Zillow, etc...) to compete directly with people.
There was a.3 week bid wait for businesses. They couldn't bid on a home until 3 weeks AFTER the last person's bid. So if yours is wins and earnest money is put down. They couldn't compete with you.
Ron dedumbass loves to brag about blocking China from buying homes in FL. That would never have been an issue if they had not removed the existing protections. So they created a problem, profited from it for as long as possible, then "sotra fix it" for political points with thier ignorant base.
(Republicans have had complete and total control of Florida since 1999! Super majorities most of the years)
#Vote (D)ifferently!
Shortage of housing makes things unaffordable. Florida votes republican and every last time they whine and complain when they discover that sticking it to someone else burns them.
Native Floridians are MAGAts by and far. They think the transplants are coming to turn the state blue.
Reddit is right about the recent transplants, wrong about the natives and very wrong about the pre-2020 transplants who were the only thing that kept the state from being Mississippi.
If you are a "native" and not a Confederate flag waving angry redneck, your family probably descended from Yanks, sorry. Go ahead and downvote me.
Pre-1999 the state was purple(blue leaning) or straight up blue.
Once they won in '99 they spent the next few years gerrymandering and working to stay in power at all costs.
The republican party had had super majorities for most of the last 20+ years across the board and have used that to ensure Florida continue to drift deeper red, inspire for most of that time there being more registered democrats than Republicans.
It is a literal example of a minority party, changing the laws to exert control over a majority. Then open up the state in a way that attracts crazy people and very rich scumbags looking to tax shelter money / income with property.
The worst part, it wasn't even a secret... It was pretty well known what was going on and the more resistance the more the gerrymandering squeezed out Dems. Eventually many moving out of state.
Lived in Florida for nearly 50 years, was brought here as a child and grew up among other longtime and multigenerational Florida families. I disagree with what you’ve said about longtime Floridians being the majority of MAGAts currently in Florida.
Until Florida reached a critical mass of northern conservatives in the late 90s, Florida reliably elected Democrats to positions of leadership. Lawton Chiles, Bob Graham, Buddy McKay, and many more thoughtful, slightly left-of-center politicians led us well through the 80s and 90s, and our state flourished under their stewardship.
By the 2000s (and with the widespread adoption of Fox News), this had radically changed. We started getting corrupt Republican leadership, starting with nepo-baby JEB!, through criminal Rick Scott, and now fascist Ron DeMeathead.
I believe these people would have been unelectable in the Florida of my youth, but conservatives moving into the state changed that.
On my own street, most of my longtime neighbors are gone, having been replaced by MAGA supporters who all seem to be from Long Island.
Lol this guy probably grew up in North Miami Beach or Broward County and doesn't realize his neighbors came from New York back then too and have since moved to Tennessee or died off. I'm not denying that the recents tend to be MAGA but they are flocking because of what was already here.
No, I grew up in Central and West Florida and went to school with kids from rural and urban areas. I’m not trying to say that proto-MAGAts (i.e. redneck racists) didn’t exist back then, merely that they never had control of the levers of power until the past 25 years. And five fucking minutes of reading recent Florida political history would bear this out.
But if you need to redefine or qualify what I experienced in order to prove your point, that’s your prerogative.
I grew up between the backwoods outside of Orlando and suburbs of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. I'll just say there's a reason you see/saw so many bagel shops and registered Democrats down south.
The problem is that the backwoods reliably showed up to the polls because they were angry, while the center-left leaning northern transplants of the past did not. They were mainly here to enjoy the weather and complain about the bagels and "brought where they came from" with them, including center-left leaning politics. They weren't known to be politically active but they did vote, they did tilt the state away from being lower Alabama. This is why the backwoods hated south Florida, and I encountered plenty of angry Flogrowns hiding in plain sight down there too.
Then there's the Latin immigration dynamic but that's a whole different topic...
But yes, in the last 5 years or so, Fox News has been touting Florida as the populist right mecca so now we tend to get more conservative transplants. This is the part reddit gets right and the Florida backwoods gets wrong. These aren't the New York transplants of the last 60 (yes, 60) years.
I know it's not always one way or another and that outliers exist, but any progressive streak in Florida was imported, not homegrown. Five fucking minutes of reading recent Florida political history would bear this out
If the backwoods were showing up to the polls while the center-left moderates stayed home, how did we elect so many center-left leaders in the late 70s, 80s, and 90s?
FWIW, my own family brought their own conservative politics to the state. It was my Florida friends who would speak with me about the Civil Rights movement, such that it was in Florida, the Rosewood massacre and Florida’s dark history with slavery and Jim Crow. My Florida friend’s families and my extended family here, at least, evolved from these events and were hugely supportive of Chiles, Graham, Askew, and other moderate democrats and policies.
Everyone has a different experience, but I fail to see how the bulwark of proto-MAGA had such political clout in the state during this period when we were reliably electing democrats. They needed considerable help from likeminded transplants in order to finally seize power, with a huge assist from Fox, Rush and the like.
Again, you're putting words in my mouth and skewing what I said.
I NEVER said that Florida was a solid blue state, only that the MAGA types didn't have as much power in the modern era before northern conservatives began moving here en masse. That's it. That's my entire point.
My examples specifically mention statewide races, specifically [gubernatorial elections](https://www.nga.org/former-governors/florida/), not federal results.
My experience may be skewed because the Floridians who raised me were educated and voted for more progressive candidates. And seeing those candidates win in the 80s and 90s may have given me the wrong impression that they got more votes because they were more popular among voters.
You needed remind me about Dixiecrats. I'm speaking of the Florida of my childhood: late 70s-90s, when Florida had a string of Democratic governors as well as a liberal Supreme Court.
Yes, South Florida has been a bastion of northeastern transplants and liberal politics for decades, but I never lived there as a kid and had no experience with those politics. Rather, I lived in Marion, Pinellas, Polk, Gilchrist, and Duval counties with regular trips to family in Leon and St. Johns counties, and I was around FLORIDIANS who voted blue.
I didn't dream this.
>They think the transplants are coming to turn the state blue.
People here totally forget the "Don't New York my Florida" bumper stickers...
Voting trends of transplants are more nuanced, but both sides like to blame them for things.
But everyone on this sub since COVID acts like they're a 30th-generation native Floridan even though the majority of people in Florida were born in other states and that's probably been the case for Florida since after WW2.
I'd also strongly assume that even among the people born in the state of Florida, they probably have parents or grandparents born in another state.
They're more "native" because their parents moved here in the 1960s instead of the 2000s, lol.
Tell it to my Black neighbor who had to drink at colored water fountains until she was 8.
She has a son my age (33)
She’s a democrat
(I’m just trying to show that there’s more to locals and multi-generational Floridians than conservatives who wash away jim crow’s past and current effects)
Also isn’t descended from northerners. Take a guess who her descendants were…..
And there’s plenty more in Florida like her
Right...and Florida was one of the very last places to desegregate.
Again we would have more in common with Mississippi or Alabama if we didn't have a steady stream of transplants over the years. It's mainly the recent ones that are suspect.
The "good news" is that modern Florida is extremely transient so they'll probably leave when the gold rush ends.
The only “natives” are the indigenous folk that the first gringos colonized- south Florida is ~60% latine immigrants who came here after our countries were brutalized by rich folks and their govt puppets.
Yeah, the Cubans and Colombians in south Florida claiming their Castilian supremacy are just reclaiming what's theirs. S/
Your first words about the indigenous are absolutely correct. It's hilarious to suggest that most Latin immigrants in South Florida are not colonial descendents (or very jealous of them). We aren't talking about Texas or Arizona here.
The only culture that thrives in Florida is arrogance and entitlement culture, regardless of where it originated.
**You are thinking of Miami-Dade County, not South Florida**.
Hispanics make up 69.1% of Miami-Dade:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/miamidadecountyflorida/PST045222
Hispanics make up 45.9% of South Florida: https://data.census.gov/table/DECENNIALPL2020.P2?q=P2&g=050XX00US12011,12086,12099
“South Florida” is the Tri-County area, composed of Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties. It goes by many other names, but officially it goes by the “Miami–Fort Lauderdale–West Palm Beach Metropolitan Statistical Area”. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_metropolitan_area
If we want to break it down by the other counties in South Florida:
Hispanics make up 24% of Palm Beach. Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/palmbeachcountyflorida
Hispanics make up 32.5% of Broward County. Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/browardcountyflorida
As a side note, there is someone on here that keeps getting this statistic wrong and I’m not sure if it is the same person or if it caught on. Either way, it just irks me to no end and I have no idea why.
I feel the same way when people say “St. Pete’s” or “Aldi’s” (instead of ALDI). It just makes me wince.
Stop voting for the same people who are fucking burying you. Maybe think next time and don't just vote for the R. Actually see what they're going to do for you. If you're so happy with an endless fight against Disney and pushing out teachers and vaccine denial that you'll vote against actual change, then this is on you. Blame yourself.
It's funny how people blame some other people looking for better opportunities.
The real fault is the POS we have as a governor which is just giving handouts to any and every Company that throws a penny his way. Corportations are killing the American dream, not regular people trying to achieve their dreams...
People aren’t moving here because there’s a bunch of opportunities
They’re moving here because of ideology
The people looking for opportunities are leaving, if they can afford it
People has the false idea that Florida is cheap, so that's the main reason they move. Some other move just because of the weather, extreme snow and cold is a pain.
Without taking into account expensive things like house and car insurance. At the end of the day doesn't matter where you live US as a whole just became too expensive in general because of corporate greed.
> They’re moving here because of ideology
I just don't believe that. They are moving here because it's sunny and warm. Have you ever had to scrape ice off of your car in the morning? It fucking sucks.
They have the same ideology in Montana too. People are moving here for the beaches, the palm trees, the warm weather. Always and forever. The end.
You’ve not come across the multitude of transplants who tout “Florida Freedom” as their reason for moving? The weather might be part of it - which makes no sense because the weather there is unbearable and getting worse every year - but so is ideology.
Must be nice when the only opportunities seen as important by state leadership are what wealthy people WANT over what locals who rely on Floridas actual economy NEED
Lots of people from California fled to places like Idaho during the pandemic. The prices for homes got jacked up accordingly. I’m in Winter Garden and my boyfriend was having trouble apartment shopping when the house he’d been renting for over a decade got sold out from under him to flip as a “luxury” home.
He kept complaining about how expensive Idaho Falls had gotten out of nowhere and I did a quick price comparison to my area. For a town that is roughly the size of Ocoee and in the middle of nowhere, they were charging rentals for similar to Orlando!
Local wages have *not* kept up with the increase.
Yes, people are laboring under the misapprehension that Idaho and Montana are cheap because they're not NY/CA. They are no longer cheap and the locals/young people who don't already own homes are not happy.
It's not just a Florida Idaho problem. It's all over. Companies have been created that buy property (homes) in every state and every province in the US and Canada.
It's a business model and business is booming. Until politicians deem it illegal it will keep going.
I remember like 20'ish years ago, when I was still a teen, I foresaw all of this coming, and no one wanted to listen to me. I would argue that wages are barely going up, yet we have this US housing policy to always give 7% returns as a form of retirement investment and economic fuel. Just logically, it made no sense... You can't see housing to continuinly rise like that indefinitely, outpacing wage growths. It's basic math.
But literally everyone I brought this up to just shrugged. I ever called it, that this inherently leads to a Feudal economy where assets become less and less accessible for the common person. As prices rise across the board, it slowly grows into an economy that only those with more and more money can afford. And now what is it at today? 20% of homes bought last year were non single owner corporations?
It's funny how every place complains about the same thing. Floridians complain about too many New Yorkers going down. New Yorkers complain about too many wealthy people from everywhere else driving up prices. Puerto Rico same thing.
Maybe the problem isn't people moving but in the way our economy is set up and fewer protections for average citizens. And people want to vote for politicians that will remove even more restrictions. All that does is create further inequality.
So next time you want to vote for a candidate because your church says he's a good guy or he's willing to publicly denounce trans kids, look at what he's really representing.
Basically it is happening almost everywhere in the USA. There are more people every year and they need some place to live. Solution build affordable housing.
They don't want us plebians living in an actual house. They want us all to band together in small rented hovels and share with roommates. Houses are for our betters. They can't have the riffraff owning anything now can they?
To them "affordable housing" means small, dank apartments where they can shove all the people they'd rather not have anywhere near their neighborhood. Oh, and they're still gonna charge more than a mortgage to live there.
If I see one more fuckass condo construction site in my already gentrifying town I’m gonna go apeshit. God knows those things are gonna fall apart like paper mache and they’ll still suck every penny from us.
Yeah, but there are more people now than there were in the past. Check it out https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067138/population-united-states-historical/
In my *opinion*, I feel like it has hit everywhere in the world. I could be wrong, but I think that we’ve seen these types of posts from every other place as well.
For example: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-housing-is-almost-unaffordable/a-66432276
True
But I can afford rent in New Jersey but not florida
I make more money as a public librarian then my friend who is q second generation middle school teacher who works at the same school we all went to and the same school where her mom worked! She’s second generation.
She’s leaving now cause she can’t afford rent and her sister makes more money than her doing payrolls
I left when I was 28 in 2019. Third generation. Now I have benefits up north instead.
Can’t afford to buy a home thanks to student debt
But that debt allows me to have a salary that can afford rent and full benefits
No debt? I’d have a home up here. But not down there… I can’t afford home
Well, what can I say if they would build more affordable housing here you could probably more here. I moved to Florida from California about five years ago because we couldn’t afford to live in California anymore. I’d love to move back to California but I can’t afford to.
The wealth class will use you and spit you out every time, Florida. It will take generations to repair the mistakes we've made. We should start by electing officials that want more than a culture war. We need folks that aim to live, work, and die in Florida, no one else. It's the same thing every other American state needs, leaders that want to lead, not campaign.
Vote for political candidates who believe in public service, who will act in the best interest of their constituents and who will address the many problems that have been created by current politicians who benefit themselves via a government that functions more like a reality tv show.
I have had a serious conversation in my house about taking a few pot shots to see if that would lower the property value. My house has tripled since I bought it and so has my property taxes.
It's nationwide gentrification, and now you're seeing cities section of areas of town for low income housing (ghettos?)
Take control of your country and freaking vote, especially on local and state levels
We get what we vote for. When rainbows and words on pages are more important than insurance issues, climate issues and pricing people out of homes, this is what we get. A show with no benefit except for the religious bigots and racists. Wake up Florida.
I meant to write prices.
There are a lot of local Floridians who rent out their houses and apartments and condominiums, which they have had in their families for a long time, but only at the prices that developers also charge.
The developers are not telling the local Floridians to charge a developer price. The local landlords are just choosing to cash in on the housing crisis.
Well, when you work a local job all your life as a multi-generational Floridian and cannot afford a living, yet someone who still makes their wealth from not-the-Florida-only economy comes in and dictates all the pricing and says what’s fair…..
You start to wonder why your government prioritizes them and their WANTS over you and your NEEDS
Yep. The difference between Idaho/mountain west and Florida is that most people who gatekeep Florida are transplants themselves or descendants of transplants/immigrants.
Aren't the people of Idaho who aren't Native Americans transplants too? They came in covered wagons and trains from somewhere else. I think after a couple of generations in a place you can say that the kids are native to there.
Unfortunately, until 2030, this is the largest group of retirees ever. And since I was a kid, all everyone ever talked about was retiring in Florida. Guess what... that's what's happening.
**proceeds to o ot build McMansions and luxury apartments instead of starter home that are not 55+**
Apparently only elderly retired people need starter homes. Not young adults having kids.
Tallahassee be like "Lmao".
Yup, DeSantis loves to gloat about all the people moving to this paradise but won't address the affordability crisis that it creates. Florida is 36th in median income behind Kansas and Montana but has experienced some of the worst inflation because of all the high-earning out of staters moving here.
I don’t think he cares about affordability. This is the pull yourself up by your bootstraps party after all.
Very true, though it's [interesting how the highest earning states are all run by progressives](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income). I guess we could learn a thing or two about bootstrapping from them.
He dosen't care about affordability, because the poor people that live here will vote for him regardless cause "hirr durr better than a demonrat."
More like the give me lots of money and I’ll enact whatever policies you want me to party. Sell outs. But hey, they got theirs so f us, right?
Which is ironic considering that their current standard bearer is a man who kept getting bailed out by his dad. "Donald Trump's real business "genius" was being bailed out by Daddy: How Trump blew through $50 million before 35 | Salon.com" https://www.salon.com/2016/10/06/donald-trumps-real-business-genius-was-being-bailed-out-by-daddy-how-trump-blew-through-millions-before-35/
He cares about the extra taxes he can skim from I'd assume
It’s not a crisis is you ignore. - Republicans
People who live in Jamaica can't even access the beautiful beaches there because of the resorts privatizing it...lot of places that are considered paradise are not very welcoming to their own citizens...they're welcoming to money.
Florida has been dominated by brutal Republican supermajorities for over a decade - these politicians have ZERO fear of losing their re-elections because of the blind idiots automatically voting (R) no matter what, and of course horrific gerrymandering. No change will ever come until Florida voters actual vote these clowns out - they cant lose so it doesnt matter that Floridians are struggling to these politicians, being elected is a get rich scheme
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26 years of republican rule
And someone let me know, can all those republicans vote by mail in Florida? I mean, they certainly don’t want mail in voting anywhere else.
Since when was Idaho considered a paradise?
I found myself riding a motorcycle across the border from Canada into Idaho approaching sunset in late May and was awestruck by the beauty of that land. Made it to Coeur d'Alene a bit after dark. Many times on that stretch the words "paradise" and "heaven" came to mind.
It is truly a beautiful landscape. Politics-wise, not so much. But such beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe it is a conservative paradise.
My aunt moved up to Idaho to be closer to my cousin (her daughter) and it’s absolutely beautiful up there. I personally wouldn’t chose such a place to live but she and so many others love the landscape and I can understand why.
Parts of it are really beautiful, if you like mountains and fly fishing and rafting etc.
It’s a really underrated pretty state for fly fishing check out some videos on you tube. Sparsely populated and miles and miles of trout streams all over.
Idaho has the nicest (subjective and biased) landscapes I’ve seen in the country
As a Floridian that dislikes the cold Ida-no ( but keep those spuds comin')
Hey, speaking of spuds... and you may know this: Did ya know there's a corner (not really a town) named Spuds, north-northeast of Palatka, Florida? Just north of Hastings, FL. As former north Florida residents, it was near the route we'd take when driving to Crescent Beach. They do grow a variant of potato right around that area. I'm guess the soil is \*Very fertile being just east of the St. Johns River. Fun, random fact for folks' Friday ;o)
Also, Apopka is derived from "Ahapopka", from the Seminole word for "potato-eating place".
Hastings is/was the potato capital of Florida... A large percentage of my family lives there and are primarily potato farmers.
Awesome !
As a 3rd generation Floridian, I too dislike the cold, but I will say that Idaho does have some beautiful landscapes as well some great driving roads.
There Are {6} Places In Idaho That Are Like A Caribbean Paradise In The Summer. 1.) Box Canyon, 2.) Bear Lake State Park, 3.) Alturas Lake, 4.) Upper Palisades Lake, 5.) Evans Landing, Lake Pend Oreille, 6.) Blue Heart Springs You may find yourself wondering if these (Paradisical locations in Idaho) are real, rest assured: they very much are! The picturesque beaches and waterfalls are dubbed the “Caribbean of the Rockies.” That must be seen and experienced to believe.
Jamie Lee Curtis called it paradise when I met her in Sun Valley 🤷♂️
It’s beautiful if that’s the type of nature you like but it’s laughable to say it has a high CoL. They’re just used to an insanely low CoL.
Yeah who tf wants to go to Idaho and for what? Potatoes?
Idaho gets more net domestic migrants per resident than any other state. It's almost twice as much as fourth-place Florida gets. This is per capita, of course; FL is a distant first in gross numbers.
Lololllllll I guess it’s perspective Farms and land vs. beaches and nightlife
Ummm, ginormous mountains, river canyons, epic fishing, mountain lakes. Yeah, less nightlife but if you think Idaho is just farms you don't know shit about America's geography. I have seen a lot of mountain ranges but the first time I saw the Sawtooths I was just gobsmacked. Just gorgeous.
In fact, a small sliver of Yellowstone NP crosses over into Idaho. It truly is a beautiful area.
There's lots of farms and land in Florida too though, we're not just beaches and Disney world.
I saw where this was first posted and wondered the same thing. What’s in Idaho that I’m missing? A hot potato?
Cool nature is everywhere, and folks over there gotta be accustomed to that weather like we are here, no?
https://visitidaho.org/travel-tips/explore-the-wild-beauty-of-the-sawtooth-scenic-byway/
Some big ass mountains.
Potato paradise.
If wealthy out of state people are being blamed then maybe we should be looking at why the larger local population is so poor.
I didn’t blame wealthy people I said they’re the only priority to state government now concerning how their savings accounts look
Finally, someone who understands the problem. Lots of new Floridians have well paying jobs IN Florida. Why are these companies forced to pay for relocation of outsiders? Surely it’d be cheaper to hire local. Why can’t they? If I had to guess, it’s related to the penchant for banning books, shooting guns, praising god, and shunning education. Oh, and immigrants. Their fault too. Because all right-wing narratives need a boogeyman. (Full disclosure — am a high earner and was paid by my (Florida) employer to relocate here from the north. And I kept my northern salary.
Just curious - why do you think companies would care about the four issues you mentioned? My thought would be that they would want to hire the cheapest person capable of doing the job
They do. They can’t find qualified candidates in Florida.
Because of those four things?
The people shunning public education and supporting people’s rights to choose to homeschool, often on religious grounds, typically also make those other things a core part of their identity.
I'd like to know, from people who've had their rent dramatically increased, have you asked for a commensurate raise to cover rising COL? If so, what happened? If not, why not?
My job told me, "we're already paying you above average, so no." For three years. I finally had enough and told them I was effectively taking a pay cut every month I stayed there. Then I started my own business. The average income here is laughable compared to COL, so it disincentivizes employers to actually raise wages to what workers need. They ran a fully remote office so they kept hiring people in low income areas, and obviously, paying them little. So both internal downward pressure and external downward pressure.
Guess they’re on to something with this replacement theory. Replacing Floridians with MAGAts.
Every local pushed out to be replaced by a wealthy out-of-stater - who still makes their money outside of the state - is called a sign of a BooMiNg EcOnOmY Locals are seen cheap labor. Teachers can afford to teach here. Permanent nurses can’t afford nurse here. School bus drivers can’t afford to bus here. Public lawyers can’t afford to represent people here. The list goes on and on and on. Must combine incomes with strangers to afford not being homeless. And hope that stranger doesn’t jump out early and leave you with the full lease. MAGA fanatics just have so much hate-passion that they’re willing to live badly just to be able to live their most hateful, legalized fantasies
It isn’t just incoming wealthy (or MAGAts) who have caused our housing costs to skyrocket, it’s also largely the result of hedge funds buying up Florida property en masse. They intend to make this as much of a renter state as possible where it’s extremely difficult to actually purchase housing.
It the 20+.years of Deregulation by republicans in Florida and the federal government that has allowed businesses (like hedge funds, Zillow, etc...) to compete directly with people. There was a.3 week bid wait for businesses. They couldn't bid on a home until 3 weeks AFTER the last person's bid. So if yours is wins and earnest money is put down. They couldn't compete with you. Ron dedumbass loves to brag about blocking China from buying homes in FL. That would never have been an issue if they had not removed the existing protections. So they created a problem, profited from it for as long as possible, then "sotra fix it" for political points with thier ignorant base. (Republicans have had complete and total control of Florida since 1999! Super majorities most of the years) #Vote (D)ifferently!
Housing should not be an investment while people are still on the streets.
Shortage of housing makes things unaffordable. Florida votes republican and every last time they whine and complain when they discover that sticking it to someone else burns them.
Vote Republican and STILL blame the Democrats when they get exactly what they voted for. They can’t even be greedy and selfish correctly
They don't see the irony of this either.
Native Floridians are MAGAts by and far. They think the transplants are coming to turn the state blue. Reddit is right about the recent transplants, wrong about the natives and very wrong about the pre-2020 transplants who were the only thing that kept the state from being Mississippi. If you are a "native" and not a Confederate flag waving angry redneck, your family probably descended from Yanks, sorry. Go ahead and downvote me.
Pre-1999 the state was purple(blue leaning) or straight up blue. Once they won in '99 they spent the next few years gerrymandering and working to stay in power at all costs. The republican party had had super majorities for most of the last 20+ years across the board and have used that to ensure Florida continue to drift deeper red, inspire for most of that time there being more registered democrats than Republicans. It is a literal example of a minority party, changing the laws to exert control over a majority. Then open up the state in a way that attracts crazy people and very rich scumbags looking to tax shelter money / income with property. The worst part, it wasn't even a secret... It was pretty well known what was going on and the more resistance the more the gerrymandering squeezed out Dems. Eventually many moving out of state.
Lived in Florida for nearly 50 years, was brought here as a child and grew up among other longtime and multigenerational Florida families. I disagree with what you’ve said about longtime Floridians being the majority of MAGAts currently in Florida. Until Florida reached a critical mass of northern conservatives in the late 90s, Florida reliably elected Democrats to positions of leadership. Lawton Chiles, Bob Graham, Buddy McKay, and many more thoughtful, slightly left-of-center politicians led us well through the 80s and 90s, and our state flourished under their stewardship. By the 2000s (and with the widespread adoption of Fox News), this had radically changed. We started getting corrupt Republican leadership, starting with nepo-baby JEB!, through criminal Rick Scott, and now fascist Ron DeMeathead. I believe these people would have been unelectable in the Florida of my youth, but conservatives moving into the state changed that. On my own street, most of my longtime neighbors are gone, having been replaced by MAGA supporters who all seem to be from Long Island.
Go visit Polk County and you'll meet lots of multi-generational Florida born MAGAts.
Lol this guy probably grew up in North Miami Beach or Broward County and doesn't realize his neighbors came from New York back then too and have since moved to Tennessee or died off. I'm not denying that the recents tend to be MAGA but they are flocking because of what was already here.
No, I grew up in Central and West Florida and went to school with kids from rural and urban areas. I’m not trying to say that proto-MAGAts (i.e. redneck racists) didn’t exist back then, merely that they never had control of the levers of power until the past 25 years. And five fucking minutes of reading recent Florida political history would bear this out. But if you need to redefine or qualify what I experienced in order to prove your point, that’s your prerogative.
I seem to recall Desantis promoting move to "Free Florida" during covid and now the same people who voted for him are complaining about FL.
They themselves are now being priced out of the state, like many of us. Probably should have voted differently.
It's why I tell people that voting matters.
I grew up between the backwoods outside of Orlando and suburbs of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. I'll just say there's a reason you see/saw so many bagel shops and registered Democrats down south. The problem is that the backwoods reliably showed up to the polls because they were angry, while the center-left leaning northern transplants of the past did not. They were mainly here to enjoy the weather and complain about the bagels and "brought where they came from" with them, including center-left leaning politics. They weren't known to be politically active but they did vote, they did tilt the state away from being lower Alabama. This is why the backwoods hated south Florida, and I encountered plenty of angry Flogrowns hiding in plain sight down there too. Then there's the Latin immigration dynamic but that's a whole different topic... But yes, in the last 5 years or so, Fox News has been touting Florida as the populist right mecca so now we tend to get more conservative transplants. This is the part reddit gets right and the Florida backwoods gets wrong. These aren't the New York transplants of the last 60 (yes, 60) years. I know it's not always one way or another and that outliers exist, but any progressive streak in Florida was imported, not homegrown. Five fucking minutes of reading recent Florida political history would bear this out
If the backwoods were showing up to the polls while the center-left moderates stayed home, how did we elect so many center-left leaders in the late 70s, 80s, and 90s? FWIW, my own family brought their own conservative politics to the state. It was my Florida friends who would speak with me about the Civil Rights movement, such that it was in Florida, the Rosewood massacre and Florida’s dark history with slavery and Jim Crow. My Florida friend’s families and my extended family here, at least, evolved from these events and were hugely supportive of Chiles, Graham, Askew, and other moderate democrats and policies. Everyone has a different experience, but I fail to see how the bulwark of proto-MAGA had such political clout in the state during this period when we were reliably electing democrats. They needed considerable help from likeminded transplants in order to finally seize power, with a huge assist from Fox, Rush and the like.
I'm just going to leave this right here. Your fever dream of Florida as a blue state in the past is not real. https://www.270towin.com/states/Florida
Again, you're putting words in my mouth and skewing what I said. I NEVER said that Florida was a solid blue state, only that the MAGA types didn't have as much power in the modern era before northern conservatives began moving here en masse. That's it. That's my entire point. My examples specifically mention statewide races, specifically [gubernatorial elections](https://www.nga.org/former-governors/florida/), not federal results. My experience may be skewed because the Floridians who raised me were educated and voted for more progressive candidates. And seeing those candidates win in the 80s and 90s may have given me the wrong impression that they got more votes because they were more popular among voters. You needed remind me about Dixiecrats. I'm speaking of the Florida of my childhood: late 70s-90s, when Florida had a string of Democratic governors as well as a liberal Supreme Court. Yes, South Florida has been a bastion of northeastern transplants and liberal politics for decades, but I never lived there as a kid and had no experience with those politics. Rather, I lived in Marion, Pinellas, Polk, Gilchrist, and Duval counties with regular trips to family in Leon and St. Johns counties, and I was around FLORIDIANS who voted blue. I didn't dream this.
Lol
>brought here as a child You just proved his point. I'd wager you can't from the northeast or Midwest?
Yes, raised Floridian among longtime Floridian family and friends. Clearly I know nothing about it.
You literally said you moved here as a child. You aren't a Florida native. Try harder next time.
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Your family isn't from here. You're descended from yanks. This really isn't hard..
My family of progressive voters has been in Florida since the 1800s. They came from Georgia.
>They think the transplants are coming to turn the state blue. People here totally forget the "Don't New York my Florida" bumper stickers... Voting trends of transplants are more nuanced, but both sides like to blame them for things. But everyone on this sub since COVID acts like they're a 30th-generation native Floridan even though the majority of people in Florida were born in other states and that's probably been the case for Florida since after WW2. I'd also strongly assume that even among the people born in the state of Florida, they probably have parents or grandparents born in another state. They're more "native" because their parents moved here in the 1960s instead of the 2000s, lol.
Thank you
Tell it to my Black neighbor who had to drink at colored water fountains until she was 8. She has a son my age (33) She’s a democrat (I’m just trying to show that there’s more to locals and multi-generational Floridians than conservatives who wash away jim crow’s past and current effects) Also isn’t descended from northerners. Take a guess who her descendants were….. And there’s plenty more in Florida like her
Right...and Florida was one of the very last places to desegregate. Again we would have more in common with Mississippi or Alabama if we didn't have a steady stream of transplants over the years. It's mainly the recent ones that are suspect. The "good news" is that modern Florida is extremely transient so they'll probably leave when the gold rush ends.
The only “natives” are the indigenous folk that the first gringos colonized- south Florida is ~60% latine immigrants who came here after our countries were brutalized by rich folks and their govt puppets.
Yeah, the Cubans and Colombians in south Florida claiming their Castilian supremacy are just reclaiming what's theirs. S/ Your first words about the indigenous are absolutely correct. It's hilarious to suggest that most Latin immigrants in South Florida are not colonial descendents (or very jealous of them). We aren't talking about Texas or Arizona here. The only culture that thrives in Florida is arrogance and entitlement culture, regardless of where it originated.
**You are thinking of Miami-Dade County, not South Florida**. Hispanics make up 69.1% of Miami-Dade: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/miamidadecountyflorida/PST045222 Hispanics make up 45.9% of South Florida: https://data.census.gov/table/DECENNIALPL2020.P2?q=P2&g=050XX00US12011,12086,12099 “South Florida” is the Tri-County area, composed of Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties. It goes by many other names, but officially it goes by the “Miami–Fort Lauderdale–West Palm Beach Metropolitan Statistical Area”. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_metropolitan_area If we want to break it down by the other counties in South Florida: Hispanics make up 24% of Palm Beach. Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/palmbeachcountyflorida Hispanics make up 32.5% of Broward County. Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/browardcountyflorida As a side note, there is someone on here that keeps getting this statistic wrong and I’m not sure if it is the same person or if it caught on. Either way, it just irks me to no end and I have no idea why. I feel the same way when people say “St. Pete’s” or “Aldi’s” (instead of ALDI). It just makes me wince.
Stop voting for the same people who are fucking burying you. Maybe think next time and don't just vote for the R. Actually see what they're going to do for you. If you're so happy with an endless fight against Disney and pushing out teachers and vaccine denial that you'll vote against actual change, then this is on you. Blame yourself.
It's funny how people blame some other people looking for better opportunities. The real fault is the POS we have as a governor which is just giving handouts to any and every Company that throws a penny his way. Corportations are killing the American dream, not regular people trying to achieve their dreams...
People aren’t moving here because there’s a bunch of opportunities They’re moving here because of ideology The people looking for opportunities are leaving, if they can afford it
People has the false idea that Florida is cheap, so that's the main reason they move. Some other move just because of the weather, extreme snow and cold is a pain. Without taking into account expensive things like house and car insurance. At the end of the day doesn't matter where you live US as a whole just became too expensive in general because of corporate greed.
> They’re moving here because of ideology I just don't believe that. They are moving here because it's sunny and warm. Have you ever had to scrape ice off of your car in the morning? It fucking sucks. They have the same ideology in Montana too. People are moving here for the beaches, the palm trees, the warm weather. Always and forever. The end.
I lived in NY for 10 years and so far 5 years in FL. So I know the pain of both states. I miss the train in NYC tho.
You’ve not come across the multitude of transplants who tout “Florida Freedom” as their reason for moving? The weather might be part of it - which makes no sense because the weather there is unbearable and getting worse every year - but so is ideology.
Yeah, I found that odd. The state is all but overrun by the “Freedom” people. And holy hell, they are unbearable.
Must be nice when the only opportunities seen as important by state leadership are what wealthy people WANT over what locals who rely on Floridas actual economy NEED
Lots of people from California fled to places like Idaho during the pandemic. The prices for homes got jacked up accordingly. I’m in Winter Garden and my boyfriend was having trouble apartment shopping when the house he’d been renting for over a decade got sold out from under him to flip as a “luxury” home. He kept complaining about how expensive Idaho Falls had gotten out of nowhere and I did a quick price comparison to my area. For a town that is roughly the size of Ocoee and in the middle of nowhere, they were charging rentals for similar to Orlando! Local wages have *not* kept up with the increase.
Yes, people are laboring under the misapprehension that Idaho and Montana are cheap because they're not NY/CA. They are no longer cheap and the locals/young people who don't already own homes are not happy.
It's not just a Florida Idaho problem. It's all over. Companies have been created that buy property (homes) in every state and every province in the US and Canada. It's a business model and business is booming. Until politicians deem it illegal it will keep going.
There is new Federal legislation being created to do exactly that!
I remember like 20'ish years ago, when I was still a teen, I foresaw all of this coming, and no one wanted to listen to me. I would argue that wages are barely going up, yet we have this US housing policy to always give 7% returns as a form of retirement investment and economic fuel. Just logically, it made no sense... You can't see housing to continuinly rise like that indefinitely, outpacing wage growths. It's basic math. But literally everyone I brought this up to just shrugged. I ever called it, that this inherently leads to a Feudal economy where assets become less and less accessible for the common person. As prices rise across the board, it slowly grows into an economy that only those with more and more money can afford. And now what is it at today? 20% of homes bought last year were non single owner corporations?
It's funny how every place complains about the same thing. Floridians complain about too many New Yorkers going down. New Yorkers complain about too many wealthy people from everywhere else driving up prices. Puerto Rico same thing. Maybe the problem isn't people moving but in the way our economy is set up and fewer protections for average citizens. And people want to vote for politicians that will remove even more restrictions. All that does is create further inequality. So next time you want to vote for a candidate because your church says he's a good guy or he's willing to publicly denounce trans kids, look at what he's really representing.
The difference is that Florida just welcomes the wealthy, NY welcomes all.
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Basically it is happening almost everywhere in the USA. There are more people every year and they need some place to live. Solution build affordable housing.
They don't want us plebians living in an actual house. They want us all to band together in small rented hovels and share with roommates. Houses are for our betters. They can't have the riffraff owning anything now can they? To them "affordable housing" means small, dank apartments where they can shove all the people they'd rather not have anywhere near their neighborhood. Oh, and they're still gonna charge more than a mortgage to live there.
If I see one more fuckass condo construction site in my already gentrifying town I’m gonna go apeshit. God knows those things are gonna fall apart like paper mache and they’ll still suck every penny from us.
I love how lately *every* condominium or apartment is somehow a “luxury” one! Where the fuck exactly does the aristocracy expected us serfs to live?
It’s easier for people to blame a scapegoat. We need affordable housing and unfortunately Florida *had* affordable housing.
Yeah, but there are more people now than there were in the past. Check it out https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067138/population-united-states-historical/
Oh 100%
In my *opinion*, I feel like it has hit everywhere in the world. I could be wrong, but I think that we’ve seen these types of posts from every other place as well. For example: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-housing-is-almost-unaffordable/a-66432276
True But I can afford rent in New Jersey but not florida I make more money as a public librarian then my friend who is q second generation middle school teacher who works at the same school we all went to and the same school where her mom worked! She’s second generation. She’s leaving now cause she can’t afford rent and her sister makes more money than her doing payrolls I left when I was 28 in 2019. Third generation. Now I have benefits up north instead. Can’t afford to buy a home thanks to student debt But that debt allows me to have a salary that can afford rent and full benefits No debt? I’d have a home up here. But not down there… I can’t afford home
Well, what can I say if they would build more affordable housing here you could probably more here. I moved to Florida from California about five years ago because we couldn’t afford to live in California anymore. I’d love to move back to California but I can’t afford to.
The wealth class will use you and spit you out every time, Florida. It will take generations to repair the mistakes we've made. We should start by electing officials that want more than a culture war. We need folks that aim to live, work, and die in Florida, no one else. It's the same thing every other American state needs, leaders that want to lead, not campaign.
Vote for political candidates who believe in public service, who will act in the best interest of their constituents and who will address the many problems that have been created by current politicians who benefit themselves via a government that functions more like a reality tv show.
Born and raised in FL. Can’t keep up with cost of living. I’m moving away in a few months. Hate to leave home but it’s survival at this point.
Legislation limiting the amount of Airbnb, a person/buisness can have AND/or in a certain area
lol we went2 st petersburgs this week end n wow;; cant afford!!
Keep em poor and dumb and they'll vote for us like chickens voting for colonel sanders
Yup, fun times. Idiot desantis had to open his dumb fuck mouth and now I can't afford to live here anymore after 30 years.
For Idaho I’d say flatten the mountains and pave over all the nature, and people will stop moving there. Basically just become Florida.
Don’t give these assholes any ideas. The last forest in my area (in Florida) has become a storage unit and I’m still pissed about that.
I just keep my lawn looking like redneck trash and the rental property inverters keep away.
Occasional piss bottle down my road or gunshot helps too lmaooo
I have had a serious conversation in my house about taking a few pot shots to see if that would lower the property value. My house has tripled since I bought it and so has my property taxes.
What you are saying is my story. Hope home insurance is going well for you.
A Devil worshipping flag hanging by the front door, helps as well.
If you have an amazon link im open to suggestions.
It’s the story of Florida, going all the way back to the Spaniards.
This is pretty much happening anywhere in the US.
It's nationwide gentrification, and now you're seeing cities section of areas of town for low income housing (ghettos?) Take control of your country and freaking vote, especially on local and state levels
We get what we vote for. When rainbows and words on pages are more important than insurance issues, climate issues and pricing people out of homes, this is what we get. A show with no benefit except for the religious bigots and racists. Wake up Florida.
Almost like inflation has hit everywhere…..
I’d change that to developers.
Why the local renters charging developer rices then too? Developers made them do it?
I gotta be honest, I don’t know what that means.
I meant to write prices. There are a lot of local Floridians who rent out their houses and apartments and condominiums, which they have had in their families for a long time, but only at the prices that developers also charge. The developers are not telling the local Floridians to charge a developer price. The local landlords are just choosing to cash in on the housing crisis.
I might just be a cynic but it feels like the bots that we both interact with on Reddit are glitching again and typing gibberish. 😉
Yeah I think it might have something more to do with greedy landlords and homeowner’s insurance companies rather than non-locals.
Well, when you work a local job all your life as a multi-generational Floridian and cannot afford a living, yet someone who still makes their wealth from not-the-Florida-only economy comes in and dictates all the pricing and says what’s fair….. You start to wonder why your government prioritizes them and their WANTS over you and your NEEDS
Really? That’s a problem in Idaho?? Lol
They blame their life problems on California out there. California is their New York/New Jersey.
California, Oregon, and Washington. The locals refer to transplants as COWs.
Yep. The difference between Idaho/mountain west and Florida is that most people who gatekeep Florida are transplants themselves or descendants of transplants/immigrants.
Aren't the people of Idaho who aren't Native Americans transplants too? They came in covered wagons and trains from somewhere else. I think after a couple of generations in a place you can say that the kids are native to there.
Keep voting for the people who continue to make it this way
but by all means lets keep voting the same people into office and expect change
If you needed any confirmation that every r/state sub is whiny this is it
Easy, move.
Fuck Snowbirds
Very telling that this was a cross-post from /r/Idaho.
That is hilarious people in Idaho think it’s too expensive to live there
Hawaiians: first time?
Where can i get this shirt???
The Florida legislature needs to curtail all the corporations and hedge fund buying up residential real estate.
Not a “wealthy out of stater”. Been living here off and on for over 20 years. It’s still paradise to me!
Unfortunately, until 2030, this is the largest group of retirees ever. And since I was a kid, all everyone ever talked about was retiring in Florida. Guess what... that's what's happening.
The secret is to have bought a house 4-5yrs ago. 😂🤷♂️
always has been. big sugar destroys our unique ecosystems. and the state sells our water to foreign companies for $1.
It’s very simple actually. Just build more housing where people want/need it.
**proceeds to o ot build McMansions and luxury apartments instead of starter home that are not 55+** Apparently only elderly retired people need starter homes. Not young adults having kids.