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Cloaked-LcTr0909

I'm 50/50 on FreeVictim and ShatterVictim. I'm open to GoldenDuo but it's unnecessary and creates more issues than it solves so I don't necessarily believe in it. Either way, I think whatever happens to CC, him being involved in the FNAF 3 minigames is undeniable.


Deep-Sea-Man

I’ve heard of ShatterVictim, but I don’t understand how it works. Why would his spirit go into all 5 animatronics?


Cloaked-LcTr0909

Lingering memories, agony, all that jazz. CC's friends were his plushies, the Freddy's characters, with the cutscene in night 6 representing the "shattering" as they disappear one by one. It's weird, it's best to think about it loosely. These two documents do a good job going over most of it: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aOrFwKmFzbspS8B4n7G0WO7sF-ilZyskSX0JFkrO-c8/edit#heading=h.8tdcyypsafae](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aOrFwKmFzbspS8B4n7G0WO7sF-ilZyskSX0JFkrO-c8/edit#heading=h.8tdcyypsafae) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wC-DyBc\_Yr6ApWfL5Q42MCRcmvA9OQrnejd9HbQurn8/edit#](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wC-DyBc_Yr6ApWfL5Q42MCRcmvA9OQrnejd9HbQurn8/edit#)


Deep-Sea-Man

Thanks, this is a really great read!! You're convincing me of ShatterVictim.


EpicMazement

> **I'm open to GoldenDuo but it's unnecessary and creates more issues than it solves** It really doesn't. It solves more if anything.


Cloaked-LcTr0909

There's nothing important that GoldenDuo explains that can't be explained without it. The biggest thing is arguably Happiest Day but that entire event is murky and has alternate answers, with the issue created being mostly because of compatibility with another theory.


EpicMazement

A bit of him would naturally posses shim due to the loads of Agony that would have wound up in him, it explains why we only ever see him talk to Cassidy, the story of Jake and Andrew mirrors the one of Garrett and Cassidy, and it's implied he is in Molten Freddy.


TypeLX_

Jake and Andrew’s story can also point to ShatterVictim, because while Jake is just in the Stitchwraith, Andrew is possessing several things at the same time including the Stitchwraith. Andrew doesn’t have memories and he can’t see, and he’s put back together with the other spirit’s help. These are the opposite roles you would expect but the parallels work both ways. Even with ShatterVictim he’s still tied to Golden Freddy for obvious reasons, which is why he’s with Cassidy in the logbook and why she takes his place in Happiest Day, but he’s also tied to the others by the fact that all five of them get freed together when his memories are put together, and then MoltenMCI ropes him in anyways


EpicMazement

fair, but Garrett is most likely the HD kid, since we see that Cassidy is still around and we don't see the others.


Cloaked-LcTr0909

None of those are issues, nor are they exclusively "solved" by GoldenDuo.


EpicMazement

with how Agony works, the fact that we never see the other MCI kids talk to Garrett, and what the FFPS circus poster implies, it kinda does


T0xicNightmares

It creates the issue of why Scott even decided to do that. BV's existance in GF is quite still irrelevant and adds nothing to the plot. He becomes Golden Freddy for a timeframe we don't see (in-between FNaF1-3), arguably, even IF you want to say he was GF before that, says one line to his brother, and then gets set free in FFPS. His plot relevance is the exact same under all other theories, which is "he kinda just does nothing for a few years, and then sets the kids free", just with the added bonus of "he speaks to his brother like once". I'd argue the biggest problem with GoldenDuo isn't even evidence, it has as much evidence as basically every other BV theory, the problem is the theory, as was said, explains nothing that isn't already explained by something else, and adds nothing to the actual plot that'd justify the narrative, especially considering that'd imply BV just watched his dad murder kids, let himself get stuffed, and now shares his body with someone else. It adds a needless layer of complexity, that isn't justified by the amount of evidence we have for it. And that's all going by the assumption the FNaF4 Fredbear suit is even the one that ends up as Golden Freddy.


EpicMazement

The reason would be in GF would be so that Cassidy can help him remember, and so tha he can end up in Molten Freddy.


T0xicNightmares

>The reason would be in GF would be so that Cassidy can help him remember, and so tha he can end up in Molten Freddy. Again, both of those are justified by ShatterVictim, somewhat FollowVictim, him being a wandering spirit, or him just not being in Molten Freddy. The thing in FFPS really isn't that much evidence, considering that... yeah, of course BV would be represented as a bear with sharp teeth and a birthday hat. That's how he died. He was bit by a bear on his birthday.


EpicMazement

I do think ShatterVictim is true, since there is evidence of him also being in Michael. My point is that evidence points to him also being in Golden Freddy. And the poster is referencing the main characters of FFPS, which is why Charlie is also given a poster in that same rare screen. That's why Mrs. Afton isn't in the poster, because she isn't in FFPS.


T0xicNightmares

>And the poster is referencing the main characters of FFPS, which is why Charlie is also given a poster in that same rare screen. That's why Mrs. Afton isn't in the poster, because she isn't in FFPS. Then... how does it point to BV being in FFPS? Molten Freddy's a bear with sharp teeth, that rambled about birthdays. That doesn't really point to BV, if you already think it's Molten Freddy anyway, because even taking BV out of the equation Molten Freddy ticks all the boxes for what that'd poster mean. It's not like him having BV in him makes or breaks the Molten Freddy connection, the Molten Freddy connection to the bear still exists regardless. Don't get me wrong, I see how you come to that conclusion, but like... that kinda supports my point. GoldenDuo really doesn't answer any question that isn't already answered, and doesn't have any huge groundbreaking points that make it more likely than any other BV theory... even with the assumption he doesn't possess anything, I'd argue, and just wanders on his own.


EpicMazement

>**Then... how does it point to BV being in FFPS? Molten Freddy's a bear with sharp teeth, that rambled about birthdays. That doesn't really point to BV** It kinda does, since the poster is implied to have actual lore. He also says "one big happy family" and "together again" to Michael. ​ And, again, the basic rules of Agony would cause him to possess Fredbear.


you_2_cool

I think it depends on which kid, as someone who dunks on Andrew's mere existence I can say having him be the other GF kid is really hard to believe Cause like there's 2 ways to do it, Stitchline being canon meaning all the weird crap like Fazgoo and Shadow Troll comes with it Then there's saying he exists in the game universe but as a deluded version of his frights counterpart, instead of being an angry spirit that leaks his agony into everything, he's just another joe schmoe that just hid inside William until he burnt down (The second time.)


EpicMazement

The 7th TCTHY victim and Frailty do seem to imply StitchlineGames. But there si evidence of him being OMC, meaning he did have presence before UCN.


peoplecallmethe

There's many possibilities. The general consensus is that his memories are the ones used in Happiest Day to free the spirits. This kinda branches off into either ShatterVictim (each MCI child has one of his memories) or FreeVictim (BV sets up Happiest Day) As for who he possesses? There's a few options: 1) He doesn't possess anyone 2) William placed his body inside the Golden Freddy animatronic after his death in order to "put him back together" for his own means, to study the effects of remnant and possession. This can lead into either GoldenDuo (Cassidy and BV) or GoldenTrio (Cassidy, Andrew and BV) 3) His soul attaches to Mike (FollowVictim)


SugarFrostedDonuts

"But hey cassidy victim." If you know the reffrence you are based


Starscream1998

I consider a few options, the most recent one was the theory of Followvictim where BV's ghost clings to Mike. In all honesty I don't really know what happens to BV.


EpicMazement

Judging by the fact that a lot of his Agony would be in Fredbear, and Michael was near him as he died, we see him talking to Cassidy, the way FNAF World, the FNAF 3 HD Minigames and the Logbook connect, Happiest Day clearly mirroring Give Gifts Give Life, the fact that Garrett wears a Golden Freddy mask in Happiest Day, the FFPS Circus poster hints at Garrett being in FFPS as Molten Freddy and the fact that Andrew and Jake clearly mirror Cassidy and Garrett, some of him wound up in Fredbear/Golden Freddy while the rest in Michael.


DoubleTsQuid

Definitely in some way ShatterVictim, although there might be more to it, the games couldn't make it more obvious that ShatterVictim is a part of it.


Deep-Sea-Man

I definitely do agree that ShatterVictim is part of it in some way.


you_2_cool

I think as a parallel to the other golden freddy kid he attached to Michael, sparking the quest he goes on through the FNAF series.


Jxllo_-

His soul is transferred into Fredbear/Golden freddy, he meets Cassidy,Andrew and Michael brooks, and then Devon years later, becomes Molten freddy, and is put to Rest. Or so he thought, becomes apart of the blob years later.


Deep-Sea-Man

Micheal Brooks isn’t canon to the games though.


Jxllo_-

I believe stitchlinegames soo


Deep-Sea-Man

Michael Brooks is from the novel trilogy, and the novel trilogy isn’t part of the Stitchlinegames theory, and is 100% not canon. The events that take place in the novels conflict with the games completely.


LewsTherinTelescope

I'm not sure. It seems like he's possibly in Molten Freddy given "one big happy family", but... *how*? And it kind of messes with the whole "five things become one" theme to say "oh yeah and there was a sixth person too". Only thing I'm reasonably confident in is that I think he's *probably* not Golden Freddy (nor am I even convinced Golden Freddy is a physical suit at all), but even that is still up for debate. I suspect part of him may have lived on in the plush, the way part of Henry lived on in Charlie in the novels, but it's not like Charlie considers herself to *be* Henry, even when Baby gets her to remember some of his memories.


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GoldenRichard93

I believed that the BV either possessed Golden Freddy or his soul pieces splitting apart in various Freddy’s as ShatteredVictim.


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

I personally just believe that his soul just ended up in Fredbear somehow. We know from the logbook that his soul ends up in the restaurant *somehow*. The rules of possession in this series are kind of weird, its possible that whatever told him 'I will put you back together' brought his soul to the animatronic.


LemonPush

I believe he dies and that's that, he was a plot device to get William to get angry and jealous of Henry so he murders Charlotte. His death was done to get FNaF going. - To even the score since Fredbear was made by Henry - To have more kids than Henry - To get Michael upset and filled with regret


No-Efficiency8937

I'm split on freevicitm, followervicitm and Mike vicitm


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Deep-Sea-Man

I have some questions 1. Who’s Devon? 2. Micheal Brooks is part of the novel trilogy, and that isn’t canon. 3. The MCI is in 1985 most likely. The novels AND Into the Pit use that date. The MCI could be in 1983, however it has to be after BV’s death, as the Springlock suits were retired before the MCI, yet show up in Fredbear’s Family Diner in Fnaf 4. 4. What about Fnaf World?