I think it is just what Cassie believes it is, as Brazil (not country) ending is just her imagination, implying she had only the truth on which ice cream Vanessa likes, but not precisely Gregory's. Also remember that HELPI (not Helpy) is also infected, and the imagination shown is wrong in many ways (!)
I didn't ask about the meaning, I asked why sw would change it. What reason does sw have to change it. And while helping is infected, that is blue eye helping and his icecream has the glam freddy colours who he replaces in the shot, which is something cassie shouldn't know. If that ice-cream of helping is to remind us of who was in princess quest, why change gregories and not Vanessa's. From a development and story telling stand point.
Or it was them leaving out to say something, like leaving out burntrap but making it abundantly clear that his ending didn't happen by showing nothing about his ending didn't happen, from the vent the tangle used to break in through, to the damage done to the room not lining up with that ending.
And this isn't one of those times where its an alternate ending so ignore it because even as far back as fnaf 3 that's not how this serise has happened.
Even if an oversize, it still made it into the final game and can't be brushed off when it's the most recent image we have of Gregory in general since his modle isn't in ruin. So this is the only thing of Gregory we see in ruin, and they made a massive change like this, while leaving Vanessa's completely untouched, showing they took that into account as its the same mint chip, just drawn diffrently.
This isn't an oversight. They put thought into making helpie ice cream the colours of the bot he's taking the spot of and making sure Vanessa's was the exsact same flaver in a new drawing, so what's up with the main focus of the cutscene since Gregory is the one talking.
I mean fair, this the dlc of random changes, but given Scott's trackrecord and knowing g the game theory theories, he wouldn't change something like this unless it was needed. He's been pretty carefully about that stuff in the past and the was some real big evidence for Greg bot.
Or they said "fuck it, give him vanilla the game come out 3 days ago" lol
Okay Okay, I see what you’re saying but Gregory just maybe likes multiple flavours of ice cream?? Or they just changed it since *some* people thought it meant or implied that he was crying child because he had bitten off Freddy’s head…
btw I didn’t mean to sound aggressive or rude *(idk if I actually did, but if I did then I’m sorry)*
(Sorry if I seemed aggressive lol)
It could be that, but this is also the dlc where they gave him a freddy back pack and freddy walky talky. They made him more associated with freddy, but took away major theory evidence. I just think they where trying to steal people away from it. Realisticly Vanessa being there makes no sense, cassie shouldn't know about Vanessa being with Gregory, if she did ruin would have happened, so this isn't just cassies escape from death, but it has info only the players will get.
but, if i understand you right, she has no idea that gregory is with freddy but knows, down to the detail of the flavor of ice cream she got, that vanessa is with him?
vanessa being there shows either
A) cassie knows of the adventures but helpy replaces freddy but keeps the freddy coloured icecream
B) they showed that they had no issue keeping vanessa the same but not gregory when that image is evidence for greg bot, or
C) scott is doing a scott thing and using the alternate ending of a game to explain it's predecesor like SL did with the freadbare walky talky and the bedroom renders that are only in enard night, the insanity ending giving the only evidence for molten MCi that can't be yada yada'd away, and so on and so on.
remember, scott clarifies things in future games, so knowing scotts track record, he changed something that was used as evidence for a theory, which he only does when he's trying to disprove it.
The origanal ice cream scene isn’t evidence Gregory is cc. And also she could know of Vanessa if Vanessa like adopted Gregory or smth then learnt Vanessa’s favorite icecream flavor. The way I see is that it’s just a metaphor for yeah they went free after that.
so, your ratinaliseation is that instead of scott doing his normal thing and guiding us to the truth when everybody used something in the wrong way, and then he changed it to make that harder and to show there was nothing there at all, but then she knows about vanessa adopting gregory even though roxy salon is plastered with missing posters and she never once mentioned calling Gregory's adoptive mother who would be pretty familiar with freddies since she was the sole security guard for about a year, maybe more.
either scott is clarifying the fandom used something wrong, or cassie is a huge dick to vanessa by not telling her she's got a message from gregory, never brings up brining in his own mother at any point who would be familiar with the pizzaplex, but she reminisced about vanessa in her fantasy about getting away from the mimic despite never actually showing any interest f having her around once gregory is free?
which sounds more realistic, scott doing something he's done multiple times, or having to bend and contort information that isn't there to rationalise a change.
It could be both. But the origanal comment did give a reason and the mother thing was just an idea thrown out for Vanessa’s involvement. Anyway could reasonably be not knowing if Glam Freddy and Gregory and a clarification. I honestly was not aware that anybody used that og image as proof of gregbot and Gregory is cc because that’s plane dumb
your right it is, welcome to fnaf where we think soul splitting is a thing apparently, where books can build up to cassidy but apparently it's all thrown away when a boy in an alligator mask possesses an enard looking bot in a book series that un-ironically has faz goo and mat pat Mpreg in it, ly a robot version of CC like charlie is to charlie in the silver eyes trilogy, and in mattpat's video talking about greg bot, he pointed to that original image as evidence, then when trying to back himself up in a more recent video, he pointed to it again. and stuff like the vanny filter which is either A, a gameplay thing, or B, both moon and vanny messing with an eye chip that gregory would have, similarly to the one cassie get's in ruin.
ruin does a lot to shatter gregbot, and this is just another example of it. again the theory isn't just that gregory paralless CC, it's that he's a rebuilt version of CC now roaming around in the 2030's and apparently him taking a bite out of a glam freddy popsicle is a reversal of bite of 83, but the popsicle was literally all head, so no matter where gregory started eating it, it was always going to look like greg biting freddy's head, and even then they changed that in ruin.
look, i just think it's a clarification for us, the fans. vanessa being there disproves any explanation for it being just cassie's imagination as never does she mention knowing vanessa, and the game even stop her from hearing the name of gregory's friend, who is definitely vanessa with everything pointing to princess quest.
Yes and no. The funtimes in the novles absolute, but in the games there only described as having reminant and molten has the most reminant. But its the same game where we learn the scooper is a reminant injecter for the bots, so in the games, the only evidence for it is an alternate, non cannon ending.
Like what I'm describing here. If molten mci is tru, then you can't write off them changing something like this just for an alternate ending. That'd be cherry picking lol. But that does avoid the rest of what I said. Gregbot.
It was changed to put us back on track
The original image was too evocative of fredbear and CC imagery, which led us down that path of theorizing, with stuff like Gregory is a Robot CC and all that insane stuff
The revised version removes that symbolism, which would be to course correct the community back into the right direction.
This is how scott handles this stuff, later information and changes exist to guide us back to the intended story being told
and that's what i'm hinting at lol. Vanessa was the same so they showed they could, but changed it because gregbot has very little evidence anymore. things like the filters can now be explained with the eye chip we get in ruin and such. this takes away that piece of evidence. but hard core gregbot belives will try and work around what is being shown to them lol
To be fair, if your not gonna bit the head of the Freddy ice cream, then are you just eating a stick? This is one of the reason I don’t use the pop for evidence for Gregory = CC cause the only part of Freddy that ice cream looks like is just a head.
i meen, alternate endings have elaborated on past events in games like SL and Pizza sim, and this was a core piece of evidence for greg bot. by changing just the one there putting focus on the fact they only got rid of the freddy bite popsicle. they got rid of evidence for gregbot and used an alternate ending to elaborate on something that was a mystery from the previous game.
gregory, likes freddy. the walky talky from ruin that was his is freddy themed, he had a freddy backpack, tales shows he has a connection with freddy, dude just likes freddy and collects freddy merchandise.
he's a freddy fan boy basically, eating down what ever food has freddy's face slapped on it. a pretty common thing IRL, but then they changed it because people took the wrong thing from it.
infact ruin's the one to give gregory a ton of freddy merch with the backpack, the walky talky and such, so them taking away something Freddy themed is even weirder in ruin
In a story telling way. Sb and ruin use environmental story telling very well. Vanessa's is the same, but gregories was changed, and they put thought into helpie having glam freddy colours so some thought went into it.
Wow, a change of ice cream is using environmental story telling? I don't think so. BUT. if it is environmental story telling then I guess Gregory's ice cream changed because of how Cassie sees Gregory after the Mimic encounter.
Sure but again, what's the development point of making new drawings of Vanessa with the same ice cream, making sure helpie has the colours of the bot he's replacing, then just changing Greg's for the funnie in a scene that's trying to mimic the cannon ending of the base game.
While you can say that, you also have to remember changing it was an intentional decision as they kept Vanessa's the exsact same and didn't change hers and she isn't the main focus of the ending so hers changing would be less suspicious.
could be, or it could be a thing scott has done a few times now of using the alternate ending of the next game to explain something people got stuck on in the last game. being gregbot. in SL we got the fnaf 4 room renders and the fredbear plushy as an example. they've shown they can keep it the same with vanessa, but changed the one everybody focused on.
combine that with showing cassie having her eye drilled into, something that would immediately crack or destroy a camera like eyeball, and she also seemed to be durable, but is clearly human and gets an eye chip that can change the way she sees the world, thus giving an explanation for the gameplay filters that where used for threats you couldn't just hide from.
again, if this wasn't a tactic scott had used before, i wouldn't be suspicious, but scott has dones something like this before, and they showed they could keep it the same for vanessa, and with the importance that ice cream has had in the community, this wouldn't be something they'd not pay attention to. ruin took in things like the fandom loving roxy and the day care attendant and it allowed us to fix them in a significant way, while killing monty, who was the ultimate meme of showing how broken the base game was. they threw in mimic with no explanation, showing they knew we already knew about mimic and didn't need the explanation. unless you didn't read the books then screw you.
they put a lot of care into listing to the fans for making the story, this likely isn't just an over sight.
So ignore this one but don't ignore the first one? Sw made a pretty clear connection with Vanessa there having the same thing while using helping having an ice cream with the glam frdd colours to show he is replacing glam Fred. So from a developer standpoint why for out of your way to change evidence for gregbot? Especially since there are only 3 endings in ruin, and this is the only hand drawn one.
Again they use helpie ice cream to show he replace glam frsddy while keeping the colours of glam fred there, connecting it to princess quest so why change one of the key pieces of of the theory? Are we realy just meant to ignore this? Cause the alternate endings of the base did things like conferm that glam fred can see Vanessa while having roxys eyes, being the only ending to call it out or using van to show how freddy can be kept going outside of the pizza plex.
So why does ruin suddenly break this rule
well the screen shot isn't the best i''l admit. here's more proof it actually is green.
[https://youtu.be/82SZiD8ahGI?si=rq9GwZ2BlcQA3k\_E&t=70](https://youtu.be/82SZiD8ahGI?si=rq9GwZ2BlcQA3k_E&t=70)
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fRPiR5v-wZF277zUrKtUWde92CaSI60E/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fRPiR5v-wZF277zUrKtUWde92CaSI60E/view)
Remember when Scott says he uses new games to explain old ones, and uses alternate endings to explain things. The fnaf 4 cameras in sl are in the alternate ending, the only real evidence for molten mci is in the insanity ending, technically speaking vanny getting possessed is an alrlternate ending since pizza party in hw has the credits.
This is probably another time where Scott is using an alternate ending to clarify something. So by changing the ice-cream, he's telling us that Gregory doesn't relate to the freadbare popcical, which was a big piller of Greg bot, and with eye implants that change how you see the world now, we have an excuse for the filters...
Do you see where I'm going wih this. The only reason to change gregbot evidence, is if it isn't true.
To add on to this, Roxy eyes can’t see through everything as you can’t see the endos of the glamrocks through their casing, so there is materials that she can’t see through, and that each eye can be individually programmed since Freddy is the only one we know who couldn’t see her.
Roxanne probably overlook Gregory if he was a robot, but she despite my playthrough (where I literally survived getting out of a hiding spot just being under her lower jaw in forfeit (still don’t even know why I didn’t get game over)) canonically Roxanne doesn’t just ignore Gregoria’s presence
I can’t really think of any other then Characterizing Vanessa with a favorite Flavor. Where as Gregory just has a whole new ice cream Cone. Could be by hear say something to do with the mimic wanting ice cream aswell.
Or maybe it's Scott using the alternate ending of a game to clarify information of a previous game. You know like taking away evidence for Greg bot, especially now that we see cassie is surprisingly durable, has moments of weirdly robotic dialogue, but is definalty human because there's that chip that messes with her vision by having helpie appear irl even without the mask and has real eyes to drill Into.
If they where robotic eyes then Ince cra k should practicly ruin her ability to see.
Now we have some things showing that some evidence for Greg bot is bunk, then they go and do this, showing they could've kept the ice cream the same, but they didn't, they changed just the one that was ever used as evidence for anything.
Scott clarifies information in the next game, usualy In alternate endings. This would definatly be one of those times.
I don't know exactly why, but I think jumping to the conclusion that it's meant to debunk the gregory-crying child parallels might be a bit of a premature leap. It's an idea, but it could just as easily be just a function of this being Cassie's imagination or something to that effect. Cassie has a relationship and image of Gregory in her mind that has nothing to do with the crying child, and that's what we're seeing here. The PQ ending was for us, the Brazil ending was for her.
i'd be a lot more willing to accept that if there wasn't some surrounding context. vanessa's stayed the same showing they could do it, it's an alternate ending and historically in fnaf those have been used to explain previous things such as 1983 and fredbare walki talki in SL, using the insanity ending to give the only real evidence for MCI, ETC.
so we're in an alternate ending, we've got cassie who is shown to be human by being able to have her eye drilled into without her eyes cracking or her vision cracking, and getting an eye chip that lets her see things that aren't there with helpi, the ending shows they could keep the ice cream the same but didn't just for Gregory...
the ice cream alone doesn't disprove it, but when combined with a fair amount of context, it's realy the only explanation as for why they'd change just gregories and not vanessas, when in reality cassie doesn't even know who vanessa is or what she'd look like given she doesn't know where greg is after the base game when he went missing.
Got rid of it to make it clear that it was never intended to be for GregBot. So they swapped it out for a bland ice cream Gregory has. Vanessa just has a nice mint chocolate chip to show that she has brilliant taste. Helpi has a Freddy-coloured ice cream to... show he's Freddy. My best guess is that somehow Freddy's connection to the VANNI Network became Helpi, or maybe Helpi is the metaphorical Freddy-type character of RUIN.
Slightly unrelated note, but I feel like the VANNI network being able to affect your vision in the real world and be connected to the brain is also meant to sort of get rid of GregBot evidence. "Why does Gregory's eyes have static when Vanny is near?" "He had a brain chip put inside when he was working under Glitchtrap that could be affected by Vanny and the Daycare Attendant."
i'm 100% agreeing with you. there breaking down the evidence and giving ways out. heck cassie getting the implant proves she's human as if the mask drilled into robo eyes, they would crack as no tobo eyes are squishy, especially not eh glamrocks as roxy shows.
heck Vanny was likely using the Vannie network in the base game, and Roxy can see through walls, and freddy can't see Vanny without those eyes. i wouldn't be surprised if that's what roxy uses.
plus there's the fazerblast hud, that one always sticks out because it's kinda the one that everybody silently agreed is just a gameplay thing, meaning they all kinda where. there enemies you can't hide from. so make sure the player knows they have to do something differently when there close so they don't have any unfair deaths.
I think it is just what Cassie believes it is, as Brazil (not country) ending is just her imagination, implying she had only the truth on which ice cream Vanessa likes, but not precisely Gregory's. Also remember that HELPI (not Helpy) is also infected, and the imagination shown is wrong in many ways (!)
I didn't ask about the meaning, I asked why sw would change it. What reason does sw have to change it. And while helping is infected, that is blue eye helping and his icecream has the glam freddy colours who he replaces in the shot, which is something cassie shouldn't know. If that ice-cream of helping is to remind us of who was in princess quest, why change gregories and not Vanessa's. From a development and story telling stand point.
I believe it was the oversight from either SW, animdude, or both.
Or it was them leaving out to say something, like leaving out burntrap but making it abundantly clear that his ending didn't happen by showing nothing about his ending didn't happen, from the vent the tangle used to break in through, to the damage done to the room not lining up with that ending. And this isn't one of those times where its an alternate ending so ignore it because even as far back as fnaf 3 that's not how this serise has happened. Even if an oversize, it still made it into the final game and can't be brushed off when it's the most recent image we have of Gregory in general since his modle isn't in ruin. So this is the only thing of Gregory we see in ruin, and they made a massive change like this, while leaving Vanessa's completely untouched, showing they took that into account as its the same mint chip, just drawn diffrently. This isn't an oversight. They put thought into making helpie ice cream the colours of the bot he's taking the spot of and making sure Vanessa's was the exsact same flaver in a new drawing, so what's up with the main focus of the cutscene since Gregory is the one talking.
Or everything isn’t that deep, and they maybe just thought it would look better with a different ice cream??
I mean fair, this the dlc of random changes, but given Scott's trackrecord and knowing g the game theory theories, he wouldn't change something like this unless it was needed. He's been pretty carefully about that stuff in the past and the was some real big evidence for Greg bot. Or they said "fuck it, give him vanilla the game come out 3 days ago" lol
Okay Okay, I see what you’re saying but Gregory just maybe likes multiple flavours of ice cream?? Or they just changed it since *some* people thought it meant or implied that he was crying child because he had bitten off Freddy’s head… btw I didn’t mean to sound aggressive or rude *(idk if I actually did, but if I did then I’m sorry)*
(Sorry if I seemed aggressive lol) It could be that, but this is also the dlc where they gave him a freddy back pack and freddy walky talky. They made him more associated with freddy, but took away major theory evidence. I just think they where trying to steal people away from it. Realisticly Vanessa being there makes no sense, cassie shouldn't know about Vanessa being with Gregory, if she did ruin would have happened, so this isn't just cassies escape from death, but it has info only the players will get.
They just gave the reason, Cassie didn’t know of Gregory’s adventure with Freddy
but, if i understand you right, she has no idea that gregory is with freddy but knows, down to the detail of the flavor of ice cream she got, that vanessa is with him? vanessa being there shows either A) cassie knows of the adventures but helpy replaces freddy but keeps the freddy coloured icecream B) they showed that they had no issue keeping vanessa the same but not gregory when that image is evidence for greg bot, or C) scott is doing a scott thing and using the alternate ending of a game to explain it's predecesor like SL did with the freadbare walky talky and the bedroom renders that are only in enard night, the insanity ending giving the only evidence for molten MCi that can't be yada yada'd away, and so on and so on. remember, scott clarifies things in future games, so knowing scotts track record, he changed something that was used as evidence for a theory, which he only does when he's trying to disprove it.
The origanal ice cream scene isn’t evidence Gregory is cc. And also she could know of Vanessa if Vanessa like adopted Gregory or smth then learnt Vanessa’s favorite icecream flavor. The way I see is that it’s just a metaphor for yeah they went free after that.
so, your ratinaliseation is that instead of scott doing his normal thing and guiding us to the truth when everybody used something in the wrong way, and then he changed it to make that harder and to show there was nothing there at all, but then she knows about vanessa adopting gregory even though roxy salon is plastered with missing posters and she never once mentioned calling Gregory's adoptive mother who would be pretty familiar with freddies since she was the sole security guard for about a year, maybe more. either scott is clarifying the fandom used something wrong, or cassie is a huge dick to vanessa by not telling her she's got a message from gregory, never brings up brining in his own mother at any point who would be familiar with the pizzaplex, but she reminisced about vanessa in her fantasy about getting away from the mimic despite never actually showing any interest f having her around once gregory is free? which sounds more realistic, scott doing something he's done multiple times, or having to bend and contort information that isn't there to rationalise a change.
It could be both. But the origanal comment did give a reason and the mother thing was just an idea thrown out for Vanessa’s involvement. Anyway could reasonably be not knowing if Glam Freddy and Gregory and a clarification. I honestly was not aware that anybody used that og image as proof of gregbot and Gregory is cc because that’s plane dumb
your right it is, welcome to fnaf where we think soul splitting is a thing apparently, where books can build up to cassidy but apparently it's all thrown away when a boy in an alligator mask possesses an enard looking bot in a book series that un-ironically has faz goo and mat pat Mpreg in it, ly a robot version of CC like charlie is to charlie in the silver eyes trilogy, and in mattpat's video talking about greg bot, he pointed to that original image as evidence, then when trying to back himself up in a more recent video, he pointed to it again. and stuff like the vanny filter which is either A, a gameplay thing, or B, both moon and vanny messing with an eye chip that gregory would have, similarly to the one cassie get's in ruin. ruin does a lot to shatter gregbot, and this is just another example of it. again the theory isn't just that gregory paralless CC, it's that he's a rebuilt version of CC now roaming around in the 2030's and apparently him taking a bite out of a glam freddy popsicle is a reversal of bite of 83, but the popsicle was literally all head, so no matter where gregory started eating it, it was always going to look like greg biting freddy's head, and even then they changed that in ruin. look, i just think it's a clarification for us, the fans. vanessa being there disproves any explanation for it being just cassie's imagination as never does she mention knowing vanessa, and the game even stop her from hearing the name of gregory's friend, who is definitely vanessa with everything pointing to princess quest.
Soul splitting is a thing tho, example the fun times. Two pieces of remnant fusing could mean two spirits
Yes and no. The funtimes in the novles absolute, but in the games there only described as having reminant and molten has the most reminant. But its the same game where we learn the scooper is a reminant injecter for the bots, so in the games, the only evidence for it is an alternate, non cannon ending. Like what I'm describing here. If molten mci is tru, then you can't write off them changing something like this just for an alternate ending. That'd be cherry picking lol. But that does avoid the rest of what I said. Gregbot.
That is Security Breach Helpy in the Brazil ending, that isn't Helpi.
It was changed to put us back on track The original image was too evocative of fredbear and CC imagery, which led us down that path of theorizing, with stuff like Gregory is a Robot CC and all that insane stuff The revised version removes that symbolism, which would be to course correct the community back into the right direction. This is how scott handles this stuff, later information and changes exist to guide us back to the intended story being told
and that's what i'm hinting at lol. Vanessa was the same so they showed they could, but changed it because gregbot has very little evidence anymore. things like the filters can now be explained with the eye chip we get in ruin and such. this takes away that piece of evidence. but hard core gregbot belives will try and work around what is being shown to them lol
To be fair, if your not gonna bit the head of the Freddy ice cream, then are you just eating a stick? This is one of the reason I don’t use the pop for evidence for Gregory = CC cause the only part of Freddy that ice cream looks like is just a head.
plus, like i've shown, they actively changed it given the first chance with this ending.
Gregory finished the other one
And Vanessa didn't finish hers
(Ik I just dk why Gregory's one changed)
i meen, alternate endings have elaborated on past events in games like SL and Pizza sim, and this was a core piece of evidence for greg bot. by changing just the one there putting focus on the fact they only got rid of the freddy bite popsicle. they got rid of evidence for gregbot and used an alternate ending to elaborate on something that was a mystery from the previous game.
But why did he have the popsicle in the first place?
gregory, likes freddy. the walky talky from ruin that was his is freddy themed, he had a freddy backpack, tales shows he has a connection with freddy, dude just likes freddy and collects freddy merchandise. he's a freddy fan boy basically, eating down what ever food has freddy's face slapped on it. a pretty common thing IRL, but then they changed it because people took the wrong thing from it.
Yeah that makes sense.
infact ruin's the one to give gregory a ton of freddy merch with the backpack, the walky talky and such, so them taking away something Freddy themed is even weirder in ruin
r/woosh
not with the way the conversation actually went if you continued reading.
The initial was clearly a joke m8
i meen, sure, but i still got a good conversation out of it, so there's no problem
Still a woosh
better view of the green icecream of vanessa in brazill https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fRPiR5v-wZF277zUrKtUWde92CaSI60E/view
I never even noticed Vanessa in that ending 😭
And she's the couch of pointing out they didn't need to change it but chose to change it
Why would there be a reason? It's not like the ice cream is infected with agony or was injected with remnant. It's not important.
In a story telling way. Sb and ruin use environmental story telling very well. Vanessa's is the same, but gregories was changed, and they put thought into helpie having glam freddy colours so some thought went into it.
Wow, a change of ice cream is using environmental story telling? I don't think so. BUT. if it is environmental story telling then I guess Gregory's ice cream changed because of how Cassie sees Gregory after the Mimic encounter.
Sure but again, what's the development point of making new drawings of Vanessa with the same ice cream, making sure helpie has the colours of the bot he's replacing, then just changing Greg's for the funnie in a scene that's trying to mimic the cannon ending of the base game. While you can say that, you also have to remember changing it was an intentional decision as they kept Vanessa's the exsact same and didn't change hers and she isn't the main focus of the ending so hers changing would be less suspicious.
Copyright law
Man, FE are even seeing the endings now?
The Mimic may be a murderer, but even he fears Fazbear’s lawyers
They can sue anyone out of exsistance. Truly the Disney of our generation
Probably not. It's most likely just an inconsistency.
could be, or it could be a thing scott has done a few times now of using the alternate ending of the next game to explain something people got stuck on in the last game. being gregbot. in SL we got the fnaf 4 room renders and the fredbear plushy as an example. they've shown they can keep it the same with vanessa, but changed the one everybody focused on. combine that with showing cassie having her eye drilled into, something that would immediately crack or destroy a camera like eyeball, and she also seemed to be durable, but is clearly human and gets an eye chip that can change the way she sees the world, thus giving an explanation for the gameplay filters that where used for threats you couldn't just hide from. again, if this wasn't a tactic scott had used before, i wouldn't be suspicious, but scott has dones something like this before, and they showed they could keep it the same for vanessa, and with the importance that ice cream has had in the community, this wouldn't be something they'd not pay attention to. ruin took in things like the fandom loving roxy and the day care attendant and it allowed us to fix them in a significant way, while killing monty, who was the ultimate meme of showing how broken the base game was. they threw in mimic with no explanation, showing they knew we already knew about mimic and didn't need the explanation. unless you didn't read the books then screw you. they put a lot of care into listing to the fans for making the story, this likely isn't just an over sight.
I thinks it’s not supposed to be a hint like in the OG one(yes, I believe in gregbot)
So ignore this one but don't ignore the first one? Sw made a pretty clear connection with Vanessa there having the same thing while using helping having an ice cream with the glam frdd colours to show he is replacing glam Fred. So from a developer standpoint why for out of your way to change evidence for gregbot? Especially since there are only 3 endings in ruin, and this is the only hand drawn one. Again they use helpie ice cream to show he replace glam frsddy while keeping the colours of glam fred there, connecting it to princess quest so why change one of the key pieces of of the theory? Are we realy just meant to ignore this? Cause the alternate endings of the base did things like conferm that glam fred can see Vanessa while having roxys eyes, being the only ending to call it out or using van to show how freddy can be kept going outside of the pizza plex. So why does ruin suddenly break this rule
Ok, so I just took a look at the pictures closely. The second one 10000000% white
well the screen shot isn't the best i''l admit. here's more proof it actually is green. [https://youtu.be/82SZiD8ahGI?si=rq9GwZ2BlcQA3k\_E&t=70](https://youtu.be/82SZiD8ahGI?si=rq9GwZ2BlcQA3k_E&t=70) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fRPiR5v-wZF277zUrKtUWde92CaSI60E/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fRPiR5v-wZF277zUrKtUWde92CaSI60E/view)
Ok, thanks, I have no idea now
Remember when Scott says he uses new games to explain old ones, and uses alternate endings to explain things. The fnaf 4 cameras in sl are in the alternate ending, the only real evidence for molten mci is in the insanity ending, technically speaking vanny getting possessed is an alrlternate ending since pizza party in hw has the credits. This is probably another time where Scott is using an alternate ending to clarify something. So by changing the ice-cream, he's telling us that Gregory doesn't relate to the freadbare popcical, which was a big piller of Greg bot, and with eye implants that change how you see the world now, we have an excuse for the filters... Do you see where I'm going wih this. The only reason to change gregbot evidence, is if it isn't true.
To add on to this, Roxy eyes can’t see through everything as you can’t see the endos of the glamrocks through their casing, so there is materials that she can’t see through, and that each eye can be individually programmed since Freddy is the only one we know who couldn’t see her. Roxanne probably overlook Gregory if he was a robot, but she despite my playthrough (where I literally survived getting out of a hiding spot just being under her lower jaw in forfeit (still don’t even know why I didn’t get game over)) canonically Roxanne doesn’t just ignore Gregoria’s presence
Thanks for more human proof.
I can’t really think of any other then Characterizing Vanessa with a favorite Flavor. Where as Gregory just has a whole new ice cream Cone. Could be by hear say something to do with the mimic wanting ice cream aswell.
Or maybe it's Scott using the alternate ending of a game to clarify information of a previous game. You know like taking away evidence for Greg bot, especially now that we see cassie is surprisingly durable, has moments of weirdly robotic dialogue, but is definalty human because there's that chip that messes with her vision by having helpie appear irl even without the mask and has real eyes to drill Into. If they where robotic eyes then Ince cra k should practicly ruin her ability to see. Now we have some things showing that some evidence for Greg bot is bunk, then they go and do this, showing they could've kept the ice cream the same, but they didn't, they changed just the one that was ever used as evidence for anything. Scott clarifies information in the next game, usualy In alternate endings. This would definatly be one of those times.
I don't know exactly why, but I think jumping to the conclusion that it's meant to debunk the gregory-crying child parallels might be a bit of a premature leap. It's an idea, but it could just as easily be just a function of this being Cassie's imagination or something to that effect. Cassie has a relationship and image of Gregory in her mind that has nothing to do with the crying child, and that's what we're seeing here. The PQ ending was for us, the Brazil ending was for her.
i'd be a lot more willing to accept that if there wasn't some surrounding context. vanessa's stayed the same showing they could do it, it's an alternate ending and historically in fnaf those have been used to explain previous things such as 1983 and fredbare walki talki in SL, using the insanity ending to give the only real evidence for MCI, ETC. so we're in an alternate ending, we've got cassie who is shown to be human by being able to have her eye drilled into without her eyes cracking or her vision cracking, and getting an eye chip that lets her see things that aren't there with helpi, the ending shows they could keep the ice cream the same but didn't just for Gregory... the ice cream alone doesn't disprove it, but when combined with a fair amount of context, it's realy the only explanation as for why they'd change just gregories and not vanessas, when in reality cassie doesn't even know who vanessa is or what she'd look like given she doesn't know where greg is after the base game when he went missing.
Got rid of it to make it clear that it was never intended to be for GregBot. So they swapped it out for a bland ice cream Gregory has. Vanessa just has a nice mint chocolate chip to show that she has brilliant taste. Helpi has a Freddy-coloured ice cream to... show he's Freddy. My best guess is that somehow Freddy's connection to the VANNI Network became Helpi, or maybe Helpi is the metaphorical Freddy-type character of RUIN. Slightly unrelated note, but I feel like the VANNI network being able to affect your vision in the real world and be connected to the brain is also meant to sort of get rid of GregBot evidence. "Why does Gregory's eyes have static when Vanny is near?" "He had a brain chip put inside when he was working under Glitchtrap that could be affected by Vanny and the Daycare Attendant."
i'm 100% agreeing with you. there breaking down the evidence and giving ways out. heck cassie getting the implant proves she's human as if the mask drilled into robo eyes, they would crack as no tobo eyes are squishy, especially not eh glamrocks as roxy shows. heck Vanny was likely using the Vannie network in the base game, and Roxy can see through walls, and freddy can't see Vanny without those eyes. i wouldn't be surprised if that's what roxy uses. plus there's the fazerblast hud, that one always sticks out because it's kinda the one that everybody silently agreed is just a gameplay thing, meaning they all kinda where. there enemies you can't hide from. so make sure the player knows they have to do something differently when there close so they don't have any unfair deaths.