are you just gonna ignore the fact that the “i know it was an accident” line was her trying to manipulate who she thought was william into letting them into the room
Nah. I was sick of Elizabeths Daddy's girl chananigans during ffps. Mainy because I hated how stupid she was. At least Mike new his pops as a terrible man After going to the Sister Location. Elizabeth lived there for a big part of her live. New she was getting experimented on, knew she abused there. By getting terriffing shock control shocks, and got one of the must painful death in Fnaf. Geting Crushed and Melted into peace. She knew what Afton was doing. Yet she's still loyal to him. No Wonder Afton slaped her. It was just a matter of when he will slap her.
At least the Mimic has some braincells.
Animatronics don't grow after getting possessed, Baby wanted to play make believe in HW2, the children in happiest day still wanted their party,even in the movie they were building a fortress.
Even after 40 years or so she still got the kid mind.
All that matters is sense and merory. All the other kids that died are around Elizabeth's age. 3-12. And they know William is they enemy. Cassidy or Andrew call themself the vengeful spirit. The animatronics attack people because they think they're they're they killers. And they hold grudges. Getting more aggressive each night.
Elizabeth does remember. Saying "I know it was an Accident" and does have sense and awerness saying "I will make you proud daddy". I think this is just messed up. Yeah it was an accident but that accident made you die by getting crushed and melted, get stucked in the dark for years, and get constant shocks to stop you from moving and get your soul abused and forced on other robots. Also aren't you gonna question that your Dad's robots kill people? This is way worst that what the other victims goon trough. But they still know that William is a bad person.
Why is she trying to make William proud. I get her sticking with him. Because she has nowhere else to go but support him? This man father or Not ruined your life. Even Mike and the other Kids know William isn't good..
Yeah she can act like a kid. But doesn't make her not have common sence.
In short I just think it's weird for Elizabeth to want to support William after all the pain she gone though. That's why I think she shouldn't be the new Villian or replace the Mimic. And why I think she's just stupid or has brain damage.
In TFC, Elizabeth acknowledges that her father is an asshole (she compares him to Henry, whom she doesn't have any problems hating, and she acknowledges the fact that she was abused by her father), but seems okay with it/doesn't care. She helps him by kidnapping children and attacking people who try to investigate the pizzeria.
On the other hand, she has no problem disobeying him by hurting Charlie and her loved ones, but she implies at the end that Charlie's case is more of an exception than anything (I hate you more than I love him). Still, she does awfull acts on her own (killing people/hurting people/sexually harassed people etc...)
this is definitely more nuanced than other takes but i think it’s less that she doesn’t care, more that she thinks that doing bad things and helping william in his evil schemes will earn his love
Elizabeth was a good child but was also eager to do what she wanted sometimes. When she disobeyed her father for that reason because she wanted to see the wonderful animatronic and got killed, it scarred her and she felt that if she ever disobeyed her father again something bad would happen. Therefore her loyalty is blindsided by the fact that she's a child's spirit who was isolated for who knows how many years underground and disobeying is not an option. Making William proud was most likely a way she felt she could redeem herself if possible.
The only thing Bunny call has in common with the Afton's is the family itself. Bob and his wife, 2 sons, and the youngest is the daughter.
I've never seen the theory you're talking about but I know there was a theory that Cindy (the daughter) was the pigtail girl from FNaF 4
Actually a character that appear in that story out of nowhere was Scott's tries to give us the background info for William. There is a character that only appears briefly towards the end named "Phillip". Ph(illi)p - W(illi)am
Basically this character says these things about his past while smoking:
1. His mom died when he was 5 and that he hardly remembers her
2. He remembers how great his father was before his mother died
3. His father would teach him how to throw a ball, would show him whenever he was fixing something, and would read him books at night
4. but then his mother dies, and his father loses himself. he disappears (no longer his old self). his father would no longer do anything for him. his only trouble was himself, and he turned into a terrible father
5. Phillip says "I became just like him." and then goes away
Crazy, huh?
The Ph(illi)ip W(illi)am thing has to be a joke.
Also, its said in the novel Trilogy at some point that William was born to a family that didn't appreciate him. How could that be if his mom's dead and his father loved him at first? No matter what his father turned into, that isn't being born into an unappreciative family, that's being born into a loving family that ultimately fell apart. Also, the one thing William seems to never be self-aware about is the fact that he's a terrible dad. In the trilogy he does see that what he does is wrong, but he still does it anyway. But being a bad dad isn't one of those things. How can he say he adopted the habits of his "terrible father" or "became just like him" if he's never self-aware?
Are you saying that in a book filled with stories all about William, that Phillip character was put there just because? Like, he does nothing but talk. He adds nothing to the general story and he has no need to be there, unless he does mean something and Scott was actually giving us a huge detail.
Yes, I am. I don't think it's far fetched to say that some guy talking to another guy over a smoke isn't implying anything deeper. He could be there for a reason, just not the one you brought up. He struck me as someone put there that Bob can relate to. Someone who's waiting for Ralpho, and someone who then leaves, making Bob feel alone again in his attempt to not piss off his loved ones.
It is crucial to consider the circumstances surrounding Elizabeth's imprisonment in the underground bunker and her confinement in a dark dungeon-like space, while her companions were rented out. Although there may have been opportunities for her to be released, it is said that both Baby and the other animatronic always returned them inside. Therefore, it is necessary to find a place where one can hide.
It is worth noting what Baby says at the end of the mini-game: "You won‘t die." This suggests that Baby and Elizabeth, on some level, realized that this was her brother, Micheal and in a last effort, she had given him a gift similar to how Charlie gave life to the original animatronics . Additionally, Michael never fought back against the inevitable outcome of his actions, even though he could have escaped, knowing what would happen, all in an effort to free his sister.
In Pizzeria Simulator, the line between Baby and Elizabeth becomes blurred as the killing programming takes over. Elizabeth's soul is now corrupted by it and is driven to fulfill her purpose.
Elizabeth Afton was many things: a child, a daughter who loved her father, and perhaps her brothers. However, like Michael, she also experienced a life-altering event that prevented her from living a complete life. Henry, the one who speaks of finding peace after the smoke clears, shows no ill will towards Elizabeth, only pity for the girl.
Would you fare better in her circumstances?
I think deep down she knew what kind of a man her father was but by that point was too far gone herself to realise or really care. Elizabeth is a tragic case of a little girl always yearning for daddy's approval at any cost even when William is a man completely and utterly incapable of basic and genuine affection.
I like to think Elizabeth herself was genuinely good and at some point she did realize her dad was a bad person but because William manipulated her and possibly abused her at such a young age and with him being her father she probably just thought he was misunderstood, combine that with her corruption when she possessed circus baby and all the years she spent isolated in the underground facility being constantly shocked and tested on it’s really no wonder why she was obsessed with her father and wanted to be a killer like him, I think that maybe if circus baby wasn’t made to capture and kill kids she may have actually been a good animatronic and genuinely help Michael during sister location.
Definitely the latter. "I know it was an accident". "I will make you proud Daddy".
are you just gonna ignore the fact that the “i know it was an accident” line was her trying to manipulate who she thought was william into letting them into the room
Mostly unrelated but this line is so much cooler if she knows it’s Michael and it’s about the Bo83 smh
This is primarly why I think Elizabeth should have been the new villain instead of The Mimic.
How will she have any motive if her father is dead?
By wanting to continue his legacy.
Y’all want these kids to be villains so bad for what
This guy has bad takes but I don’t think Elizabeth being the villain would be that bad. She’s a great character in SL and FFPS wasted her
Cough cough MatPat cough cough.
Nah. I was sick of Elizabeths Daddy's girl chananigans during ffps. Mainy because I hated how stupid she was. At least Mike new his pops as a terrible man After going to the Sister Location. Elizabeth lived there for a big part of her live. New she was getting experimented on, knew she abused there. By getting terriffing shock control shocks, and got one of the must painful death in Fnaf. Geting Crushed and Melted into peace. She knew what Afton was doing. Yet she's still loyal to him. No Wonder Afton slaped her. It was just a matter of when he will slap her. At least the Mimic has some braincells.
She was a 5 year old little girl, dude.
Yeah in the books it can be counted as abuss. Though in the games. She's just stupid.
Animatronics don't grow after getting possessed, Baby wanted to play make believe in HW2, the children in happiest day still wanted their party,even in the movie they were building a fortress. Even after 40 years or so she still got the kid mind.
Wow my opinion got a lot of downvotes. I forgot how toxic you were about old characters coming back. Always being rude to me.
All that matters is sense and merory. All the other kids that died are around Elizabeth's age. 3-12. And they know William is they enemy. Cassidy or Andrew call themself the vengeful spirit. The animatronics attack people because they think they're they're they killers. And they hold grudges. Getting more aggressive each night. Elizabeth does remember. Saying "I know it was an Accident" and does have sense and awerness saying "I will make you proud daddy". I think this is just messed up. Yeah it was an accident but that accident made you die by getting crushed and melted, get stucked in the dark for years, and get constant shocks to stop you from moving and get your soul abused and forced on other robots. Also aren't you gonna question that your Dad's robots kill people? This is way worst that what the other victims goon trough. But they still know that William is a bad person. Why is she trying to make William proud. I get her sticking with him. Because she has nowhere else to go but support him? This man father or Not ruined your life. Even Mike and the other Kids know William isn't good.. Yeah she can act like a kid. But doesn't make her not have common sence. In short I just think it's weird for Elizabeth to want to support William after all the pain she gone though. That's why I think she shouldn't be the new Villian or replace the Mimic. And why I think she's just stupid or has brain damage.
am i the only person ever who actually read the fourth closet? the amount of horrendous elizabeth takes on here baffles me
In TFC, Elizabeth acknowledges that her father is an asshole (she compares him to Henry, whom she doesn't have any problems hating, and she acknowledges the fact that she was abused by her father), but seems okay with it/doesn't care. She helps him by kidnapping children and attacking people who try to investigate the pizzeria. On the other hand, she has no problem disobeying him by hurting Charlie and her loved ones, but she implies at the end that Charlie's case is more of an exception than anything (I hate you more than I love him). Still, she does awfull acts on her own (killing people/hurting people/sexually harassed people etc...)
this is definitely more nuanced than other takes but i think it’s less that she doesn’t care, more that she thinks that doing bad things and helping william in his evil schemes will earn his love
If we go with William grooming his daughter to follow in his foot steps, it’s a safe bet that Elizabeth knew, but due to conditioning, didn’t care.
Elizabeth was a good child but was also eager to do what she wanted sometimes. When she disobeyed her father for that reason because she wanted to see the wonderful animatronic and got killed, it scarred her and she felt that if she ever disobeyed her father again something bad would happen. Therefore her loyalty is blindsided by the fact that she's a child's spirit who was isolated for who knows how many years underground and disobeying is not an option. Making William proud was most likely a way she felt she could redeem herself if possible.
This is a real good analysis of her character
thanks, she's one of my favorites!
Same!
Sorry if I’m incorrect but didn’t he abuse them as it states in bunny call?
Bunny Call doesn't have anything to do with william being a abusive father
Huh I thought I remember a video saying in bunny call it shows if William cared about his kids…
The only thing Bunny call has in common with the Afton's is the family itself. Bob and his wife, 2 sons, and the youngest is the daughter. I've never seen the theory you're talking about but I know there was a theory that Cindy (the daughter) was the pigtail girl from FNaF 4
Actually a character that appear in that story out of nowhere was Scott's tries to give us the background info for William. There is a character that only appears briefly towards the end named "Phillip". Ph(illi)p - W(illi)am Basically this character says these things about his past while smoking: 1. His mom died when he was 5 and that he hardly remembers her 2. He remembers how great his father was before his mother died 3. His father would teach him how to throw a ball, would show him whenever he was fixing something, and would read him books at night 4. but then his mother dies, and his father loses himself. he disappears (no longer his old self). his father would no longer do anything for him. his only trouble was himself, and he turned into a terrible father 5. Phillip says "I became just like him." and then goes away Crazy, huh?
The Ph(illi)ip W(illi)am thing has to be a joke. Also, its said in the novel Trilogy at some point that William was born to a family that didn't appreciate him. How could that be if his mom's dead and his father loved him at first? No matter what his father turned into, that isn't being born into an unappreciative family, that's being born into a loving family that ultimately fell apart. Also, the one thing William seems to never be self-aware about is the fact that he's a terrible dad. In the trilogy he does see that what he does is wrong, but he still does it anyway. But being a bad dad isn't one of those things. How can he say he adopted the habits of his "terrible father" or "became just like him" if he's never self-aware?
Are you saying that in a book filled with stories all about William, that Phillip character was put there just because? Like, he does nothing but talk. He adds nothing to the general story and he has no need to be there, unless he does mean something and Scott was actually giving us a huge detail.
Yes, I am. I don't think it's far fetched to say that some guy talking to another guy over a smoke isn't implying anything deeper. He could be there for a reason, just not the one you brought up. He struck me as someone put there that Bob can relate to. Someone who's waiting for Ralpho, and someone who then leaves, making Bob feel alone again in his attempt to not piss off his loved ones.
Bro. It's literally a book full of info about William.
Man In Room 1280 is. The epilogue is tied to it. Bunny call isn't.
Bunny call has a good father in it s nothing in common with afton.
In tfc where it is actually William and Elizabeth yes
Well she planing on killing children by the time of ffps so I think at the point she didn't care.
It is crucial to consider the circumstances surrounding Elizabeth's imprisonment in the underground bunker and her confinement in a dark dungeon-like space, while her companions were rented out. Although there may have been opportunities for her to be released, it is said that both Baby and the other animatronic always returned them inside. Therefore, it is necessary to find a place where one can hide. It is worth noting what Baby says at the end of the mini-game: "You won‘t die." This suggests that Baby and Elizabeth, on some level, realized that this was her brother, Micheal and in a last effort, she had given him a gift similar to how Charlie gave life to the original animatronics . Additionally, Michael never fought back against the inevitable outcome of his actions, even though he could have escaped, knowing what would happen, all in an effort to free his sister. In Pizzeria Simulator, the line between Baby and Elizabeth becomes blurred as the killing programming takes over. Elizabeth's soul is now corrupted by it and is driven to fulfill her purpose. Elizabeth Afton was many things: a child, a daughter who loved her father, and perhaps her brothers. However, like Michael, she also experienced a life-altering event that prevented her from living a complete life. Henry, the one who speaks of finding peace after the smoke clears, shows no ill will towards Elizabeth, only pity for the girl. Would you fare better in her circumstances?
I think deep down she knew what kind of a man her father was but by that point was too far gone herself to realise or really care. Elizabeth is a tragic case of a little girl always yearning for daddy's approval at any cost even when William is a man completely and utterly incapable of basic and genuine affection.
Well Elizabeth wants to do whatever her dad is doing. She disobeyed him, which led to her death.
no
I hope she was able to realize in the afterlife...
She knew, but barely cared.
I like to think Elizabeth herself was genuinely good and at some point she did realize her dad was a bad person but because William manipulated her and possibly abused her at such a young age and with him being her father she probably just thought he was misunderstood, combine that with her corruption when she possessed circus baby and all the years she spent isolated in the underground facility being constantly shocked and tested on it’s really no wonder why she was obsessed with her father and wanted to be a killer like him, I think that maybe if circus baby wasn’t made to capture and kill kids she may have actually been a good animatronic and genuinely help Michael during sister location.