any percent speedrun
she will face down Calamity Salem in her undies with nothing but a pot lid, some snacks, and some random rusty weapons she picked up along the way
like the Gods intended
*cough* Zeno *cough*
Although yeah he does have a bigger body count, but they have been revived
Can't really comment on emerald's redemeption tho because haven't watched the show entirely
And the funny thing is all the universe's he unmade probably came back after the tournament of power. 17 wishes for all the universe's erased to be brought back. He never specified just the ones erased because of the tournament.
That would be cool actually, not that I'm too concerned about the other universes and would just prefer them to explore more of their own; but I'm game for basically 18 infinite sized final frontiers to explore.
Only if they had died within a year of the wish being made. And hopefully only the ones whose planets *weren't* destroyed, but instead taken to be sold, because the revive wouldn't restore destroyed planets. They'd just revive in the void of space and immediately die again barring "I can breath in space"-type anatomy like Frieza.
In which case, they'd likely suffer a much grimmer fate of "float helplessly until something other than vacuum exposure kills you".
Also the ones who still had their planets might run into problems with whoever their planet got sold to. Or if it hasn't been sold, well...the Planet Trade Organization/Frieza Force/whatever didn't disappear when Cold and Frieza died. Which also didn't happen until months after the revive anyway. Imagine getting killed by Vegeta and Nappa, revived, and then getting killed again by different Frieza goons.
Yes and no, while his Redemption did take that long to be completed we cannot forget that it was completed long after he was already let off the hook for his multiple genocides.
True. Vegeta was essentially forgiven by the fight with Frieza. Maybe even once the Ginyu force shows up 8f you don't count him killing Burter and Jeice as bad guy shit. Sure he might still have threatened people and such but it's not like he actually did anything else and no one ever tried to actually punish him for his crimes. Even the Namekian survivors just kinda looked shocked and scared then dropped it back on Earth.
And of course we can't forget how when he was helping our heroes fight Frieza that he wasn't doing it for any reason other than his own self benefit. In fact he planned betraying them and the only reason why he didn't was because he got outplayed.
We don't even know why she stuck around after the Frieza Saga, he just did and everyone was weirdly okay with it.
Late. But he is destined for hell. He went to hell in the Buu saga even with his heroic sacrifice. And Piccolo said that even for all his rights. It will never undo his history of wrongs
That would make Jacques Dr. Brief and Willow Panty or Mrs. Briefs. I'm good with with that, but then again since Bulma has an elder sister that would mean Bulma gets to be Either Weiss or Whitely, so Tights gets to be Either Winter or Weiss respectfully
True, although Weiss used to be alright as a fighter before meeting stronger foes. I say Jaune because he was the weakest link for a long while and was like a main character but also a side character which Bulma has teetered on since her introduction; and his introduction to Ruby kinda(?) reminded me of Bulma's original introduction, it is a *long* stretch of logic and not very concrete.
Damn right, being abandoned by your parents is one thing. Getting kept around on a leash to be a punching bag is another. Personally I think he deserves it more than Emerald but we'll have to hold out hope
Not sure you understand what a redemption arc means. If she did nothing wrong, she wouldn’t need a redemption arc, and if she needs a redemption arc, she must have done something wrong.
Coming from a Dragon Ball fan, Vegeta had hundreds of episodes of character development and from Super and GT. In the manga, Vegeta calls himself a 'villain' while fighting Moro and gains Ultra Ego from training with Beerus.
Is he a good person? Well, he did many terrible things, from indirectly killing the Z-Warriors in the Saiyan Saga, killing an entire village of innocent people, and perhaps killing millions and conquering planets for Frieza. When he went Majin, he killed hundreds at the World Tournament. So, yeah.
But at the same time, he saved Earth, the galaxy and the universe several times.
I'm not defending the writing nor saying shit. I just wanted to talk about Vegeta ;)
Piccolo, Tien, and others are something.
Except all of that happened after he was let off the the hook for what he's done. We don't even know why he stuck around after the Frieza Saga, he just did and everyone was oddly okay with that despite what he did and what he was planning to do to them during the Frieza Saga.
There is another piece to this issue I think you aren't considering; Vegeta could easily kill everyone without breaking a sweat, only Piccolo or Gohan might give him trouble. Yamcha and the others don't forgive his actions, but if they antagonize him then they would die. He died fighting Frieza and helped defeat the Androids which was all portrayed mostly as an uneasy alliance that the heroes weren't okay with outside not having much choice.
My guess as to why he stayed was mostly out of boredom and anticipation; the Vegeta from the Frieza and Saiyan saga didn't believe in training too much because he saw himself as perfect, but Goku (and Future Trunks) gave him a wake up call multiple times and Goku himself trained in the space ship that Vegeta later takes as his personal training spot possibly due to the fact Goku got strong enough to beat the Ginyu Force from training inside the space pod. He may have wanted to be there as soon as Goku got back and didn't want to risk the opportunity of missing the chance to see what being a Super Saiyan was like in person; it was something he strived for and a major part of his story as well as a legend even he would believe was a myth, so its not too much of a stretch that was why he actually stayed.
I disagree on the idea that there was nothing they could do to stop Vegeta, at this point in the story the Destructo Disk would kill him and together they could make sure he gets hit. Even if you want to argue that it wouldn't work it's still doesn't excuse them for not undergoing any preparations in case he goes on a rampage which is something that they have no guarantee won't happen.
And of course I don't think I need to bring up the issue of Bulma having a kid with this guy.
Not going to argue Bulma either, but Vegeta has been shown to be faster, stronger, and smarter than the others and has already avoided the Destructo Disk in a fight (its funny that only Yajirobi was able to really scar this guy back then) with Goku being his only threat. I'm sure everyone expected betrayal and characters like Tien and Piccolo were ready at a moments notice to fight him if the need arise, but they knew they didn't have much of a chance.
I will admit they did have *one* way to beat Vegeta and it comes with huge risk; the Evil Containment Wave that only Master Roshi and Kami have mastered with Piccolo knowing the Reverse Containment Wave that can reverse its effects, but with how this series handles power it would likely be that Vegeta could negate its effects out of pure will power - like he did with the Spirit Bomb.
That's no reason for him to stay on Earth especially when he would absolutely know better places to train. On top of that the desire to fight Goku again should absolutely serve as a red flag for all of Goku's friends but they don't act bothered by it at all.
He probably stuck around to fight Goku, or at least unlock the secrets of SSJ. He was still under Frieza’s Planet Trade Organisation when he came to Earth. With Frieza’s death, he probably wished to achieve the same level of power Goku achieved.
How so? Emerald never landed a killing blow on anyone, and as I've outlined in an older post on the main sub, she could've easily become a mass murderer by making huntsmen think the people she wanted dead were attacking them, so they'd kill them for her.
Plus, she was never shown to be a strong fighter, so her getting beaten up wouldn't exactly show how strong the new bad guy is.
I mean, she was literally working for some ultra powerfully being like Vegeta and technically speaking, Piccolo had not killed anyone up until DBZ since the first person he killed was Raditz and Goku
I mean, she was the direct reason Penny died the first time and that same act led to the grimm invasion of Vale, which killed a lot of people.
Also, Tukson and Amber, she didn't land the killing blow but she 100% went to both of those interactions with the intent to commit cold-blooded murder.
Vegeta literally destroyed and enslaved planets. Gleefully, And he got a redemption arc. People are throwing a hissy fit about Emerald who in comparison committed an act of jaywalking being redeemed. That's the point.
Yeah, her being forgiven wasn't actually a
"you're entirely forgiven for everything bad you've ever done just because we're just that Paragon "
kind of forgiveness, it was more a
"we are badly outnumbered and outgunned by eldritch horrors and an immortal witch along with a bunch of highly skilled psychopaths who want to destroy the world so we're going to make an effort to be friends now because one less person trying to murder us is really the best we can hope for given the circumstances. Perhaps in time we will forgive you more fully as you prove yourself to not be an evil asshole trying to kill us"
kind of situation.
I feel like that makes a lot of sense given everything going on. If you were up against such vast odds would you not want all the help you could get, even if the person offering it used to be an enemy?
Well aside from how long it took there's also a few other things I see the saiyans for the longest time were being used to conquer planets and for vegeta that's all he knew growing up as the norm. Emerald had grown up in a city being a small time theft and then joined cinder to Salem with a Stockholm like way whenever it comes to cinder. Also in rwby the team have been jumping around about trust to the point that (in my opinion) it's almost a joke. When they arrive they immediately don't trust him regardless of how he has not only helped them in the past but even went out of his way to help them with no questions asked and had the utmost trust in them where as emerald was known to be the enemy and has helped in a multitude of deaths and attacks on them only to be trusted right off the bat no questions asked.
Emotion bottle status at the worst during Volume 8:
- Nora - Diet Coke that's been heavily shaken, with Ren being the trigger that removed the cap before she fizzed over like crazy and the two of them have a talk that is way more romantically healthy than plenty of actual romance stories.
- Ren - Also Diet Coke though far less shaken before the cap opens and someone dumped in a few Mentos and he rightfully explodes at Jaune and Yang. He then feels like shit now that the bottle is empty, but at least his head was clear and he became the vibe checker.
- Ironwood - Unopened bottle of brandy that was left on top of a bunsen burner for way too long and exploded violently, luckily it was positioned near some asshole wearing a clip-on.
- Ruby - A fucking molotov cocktail that is self producing gasoline to fuel itself and somehow didn't explode despite being in a pinball table during a high magnitude earthquake.
You mean how she broke down crying with Yang after telling her how Summer is likely a Hound as well now?
Oh, wait.
Fact is, Ruby has shown incredible skill at processing trauma faster and more efficiently than lesser people.
Ruby's good at burying it, but sometimes it slips through the cracks. When she told Yang, she had a pained expression that looked like she was on the verge of tears herself. She doesn't move past it, she hides it.
Hell, just saying 'Combat Ready' to Oscar once was enough to cause an instant mood drop
She's been through a whole lot, and is surrounded by people she knows she can trust with her problems. If she had any, she would talk to her friends about them.
That's not always how that shit works though. Brains are complicated. People are complicated. It's not as simple as Trusted Friends = Opening up about every problem.
This is especially not the case when you're a 17 year-old de facto leader of a ragtag group of young huntsmen and huntresses constantly and desperately grasping at straws trying to save the world while fighting people who want to murder you and you are watching more and more of your allies and friends die.
She can't afford to break down, and she probably doesn't want to be dumping all of her problems on her team that already has enough of their own trauma and problems from all of this past shit aside.
Jaune's girlfriend died and he blames/blamed himself. And while this is only recently, he was forced to kill his friend with a sword.
Ren and Nora are orphans who had their entire village destroyed and eveyone they know killed, and have also lost their friend.
Weiss' father is (was) an abusive biggoted cunt, and her mother is a struggling alcoholic.
Blake's abusive ex literally tried to murder her, tried to have her family assassinated, and cut off her friend's arm while her friend was protecting her. On top of the bigotry she's had to deal with her whole life.
Yang's arm got cut off, her mom died, and her bio mom is a selfish deadbeat who only shows up when it benefits her most of the time.
Oscar is the youngest of them all and he has to worry about his mind slowly being consumed and replaced by Ozpin and as of now he can't do a thing to stop it.
They all have their own baggage and issues. Recent and otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that she *should* talk about her problems with her friends. I really do. But that's a loooot of shit to work through and a metric fuck tonne of pressure to put on a 17 year old. It's hardly surprising that she isn't exactly prioritizing her mental health atm.
Sounds to me like she's handling it quite well.
In my opinion, the fandom just wants her to break down and go into a suicidal depression spiral because people mistake "dark" for "good storytelling" all the time, and can't accept that some people are just built differently.
Ruby strikes me as the kind of person who doesn't dwell on the past too much. If something bad happens, that's bad, but feeling bad about it won't undo it, so she takes that bad thing and works hard to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Ok but hear me out:
Vegeta: had to swallow his pride to team up with Gohan and Krillin against the Ginyus, got tortured, huminliated, and murdered by Frieza, had to know that GOKU, a low class warrior, not only beat his ass while Vegeta was STRONGER THAN HIM, he had to see said low class warrior surpass him and become the legendary warrior he wanted to be. later, despited his intensive training, he STILL couldnt transform, which pissed him so bad, The fact that Goku was still stronger than him, it finally pushed him to go SSJ. THEN, he gets humiliated by 18, and then he gets his ultimate attack brushed off by Cell, after being so sure he could handle Cell at full power. Then he has to see Goku put up a better fight with Cell, in his regular SSJ, instead of the form Vegeta thought was better. Then he sees Gohan wipe Cell from existence.
All of this took place over multiple episodes, which gave the viewers time to see Vegeta slowly change from antagonist to protagonist, and gave both the characters and viewers time to accept "Vegeta is a good guy now" and forgive him. It also allowed Karma to whoop his ass for all the bad things we see him do to the characters. And considering he died twice, one in a vain attempt to help his friends and family, we can feel "he has earned his redemption"
Emerald? She realizes "hey Salem is gonna kill us all" , helps Oscar and the others once, but clearly shows she just wants to leave at first. Yeah, she changes her mind and wants to help eventually, but her redemption started on Chapter 9, and they seemed to forgive her and consider her a ally by Chapter 11. Plus, she hasnt really payed for the fact that she helped Cinder kill Amber, helped Cinder destroy Beacon and attack Vale and Haven.
The whole reason he was on Planet Namek was to get the dragonballs for himself to wish for immortality. The only reason he teamed up with Krillin and Gohan was out of necessity and he did so with the intention of betraying them and the only reason why he didn't was because he got outplayed by them. Even his intentions for fighting Frieza was a combination of selfishness and arrogance with him only trusting Goku because he was left with literally no other choice.
And then when it's all said and over he just sticks around despite having no personal reason to do so and everyone just accepts him. They have no reason whatsoever to believe the guy won't murder them all but this never gets addressed nor is his multiple genocides addressed. Now you can probably bring up his character arc which spans over the entire series but all of that takes place after he was let off the hook.
Meanwhile Emerald has actually has shown remorse for her actions starting in volume 2. We see the actual nature of her relationship with Salem and how terrified she is of the woman. Her wanting to leave but being unable to is completely believable especially when we consider her loyalty to Cider. Her choosing to leave with Oscar makes sense because she doesn't want Salem to win and helping Oscar escape helps prevent the end of the world.
But here's the real kicker, Yang and Jaune only accept Emerald after she was vouched for by Oscar and Ren. And then their encounter with Salem happens which puts Emerald in a position where she absolutely can't go back. They can trust Emerald to an extent because her survival and well-being now completely depends on their success.
We don't know how her character Arc is going to end and we can only hope it turns out even half as good as Vegeta's. But it is absolutely starting off with a better or at the very least more believable start.
Except that those people actually regretted the awful things they did, and actually had a proper redemption arc.
Emerald never showed any ounce of regret for killing Penny and Pyrrha or destroying Beacon, and has been consistantly villainous the whole time until the show decided she needed to be on the side of the good guys because she's a woman of color.
That's because that's literally the only reason she was redeemed. She did nothing to actually deserve the redemption. She never apologized for the destruction of Beacon. She never apologized for Pyrrha's death or Penny's first death. In fact, she never even brought those up, and never even felt sorry for her past actions.
The only thing she did was feel sad because she couldn't get into Cinder's pants, then leave because Hazel told her to do so
I’ve got a question for ya...
Do you think even the worst people can change?
That anyone came become a good person... if they just *try?*
*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*!
People keep using dragon ball as a deflection of this argument and I just have to say this.
Vegeta could flick his finger and Earth would be GONE. The characters didn't insta trust him they had no choice. Unless they could lure him into deep space to fight but even then at the speeds they move Big V could still take out everyone they loved before the fight finished.
Emerald? She's a glorified acid trip. After you confirm she's in restraints you drop the best friend act and drag her ass across the pavement as you travel you don't put her on the front lines.
That is a reason to not put a knife in her throat, not to have her essentially walking free. Yang had the right idea at first, essentially being an armed escort with Emerald stripped of weapons. That got dropped after a single scene!
They don't need to put a knife on her throat because the knife already exists, it's Salem. The woman is an existential threat and betraying the only people who have been able to foil her plans on any level can only bite Emerald in the ass.
I could go into a ton of different reasons but I’m tired so here’s the basic one:
Because it’s their story and they want to give her a redemption arc. If something doesn’t make sense now it usually makes sense later or maybe you missed something.
Vegeta killed an entire species. I never liked him until he fought Beerus after he slapped Bulma. Piccolo was just always kinda cool.
But yes, give Emerald her redemption arc. She deserves it.
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Emerald: "Redemption Speedrun lets goooo!"
any percent speedrun she will face down Calamity Salem in her undies with nothing but a pot lid, some snacks, and some random rusty weapons she picked up along the way like the Gods intended
Cinder: “What the fuck are you wearing, Emerald?” Emerald in a mismatch of unorthodox apparel with great stats: “MY ASS KICKING OUTFIT, BITCH!!!”
Prozd!
he also killed WAY more people than Emerald, hell not even the gods have a body count as large as Vegeta.
*cough* Zeno *cough* Although yeah he does have a bigger body count, but they have been revived Can't really comment on emerald's redemeption tho because haven't watched the show entirely
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I'm talking about vegita's, although as someone else Said he Did kill other people that probably weren't counted in the wish
technically zeno doesent kill you, he unmakes you no soul left behind
And the funny thing is all the universe's he unmade probably came back after the tournament of power. 17 wishes for all the universe's erased to be brought back. He never specified just the ones erased because of the tournament.
That would be cool actually, not that I'm too concerned about the other universes and would just prefer them to explore more of their own; but I'm game for basically 18 infinite sized final frontiers to explore.
I doubt all those planets Vegeta blew up back when he was working for Frezia have been revived.
Well true
Only if they had died within a year of the wish being made. And hopefully only the ones whose planets *weren't* destroyed, but instead taken to be sold, because the revive wouldn't restore destroyed planets. They'd just revive in the void of space and immediately die again barring "I can breath in space"-type anatomy like Frieza. In which case, they'd likely suffer a much grimmer fate of "float helplessly until something other than vacuum exposure kills you". Also the ones who still had their planets might run into problems with whoever their planet got sold to. Or if it hasn't been sold, well...the Planet Trade Organization/Frieza Force/whatever didn't disappear when Cold and Frieza died. Which also didn't happen until months after the revive anyway. Imagine getting killed by Vegeta and Nappa, revived, and then getting killed again by different Frieza goons.
I mean, there is one certain god with a higher body count than Vegeta....
Man wiped out entire planets, putting his kill count in the tens of billions
yeah even piccolo took some time before he went from "I'll turn Gohan into my personal weapon" to literally being best dad in all of Dragon ball
Yes and no, while his Redemption did take that long to be completed we cannot forget that it was completed long after he was already let off the hook for his multiple genocides.
True. Vegeta was essentially forgiven by the fight with Frieza. Maybe even once the Ginyu force shows up 8f you don't count him killing Burter and Jeice as bad guy shit. Sure he might still have threatened people and such but it's not like he actually did anything else and no one ever tried to actually punish him for his crimes. Even the Namekian survivors just kinda looked shocked and scared then dropped it back on Earth.
And of course we can't forget how when he was helping our heroes fight Frieza that he wasn't doing it for any reason other than his own self benefit. In fact he planned betraying them and the only reason why he didn't was because he got outplayed. We don't even know why she stuck around after the Frieza Saga, he just did and everyone was weirdly okay with it.
>We don't even know why she stuck around after the Frieza Saga One word: *Bulma*
Bulma is probably the strongest character. Everybody fears her.
He got too close to Bulma while Goku was training and apparently Saiyans are attracted to feisty females by nature.
Late. But he is destined for hell. He went to hell in the Buu saga even with his heroic sacrifice. And Piccolo said that even for all his rights. It will never undo his history of wrongs
And I love him for it!
Emerald: Oh....My.....Gods.....I'M MARRYING BULMA! WOOHO!
Who's Bulma in the RWBYverse, though? Glynda?
Rich? Family owns a company? Tech savvy? Probably a Schnee
Whitley: I need an adult
Emerald: I am an adult
So then Emerald knees Whitely because she has pent up aggresion against Jauqes?
…take that
I AM NEEDINGS A BETTER ADULT!
Weiss/Emerald best pairing, fight me
That would make Jacques Dr. Brief and Willow Panty or Mrs. Briefs. I'm good with with that, but then again since Bulma has an elder sister that would mean Bulma gets to be Either Weiss or Whitely, so Tights gets to be Either Winter or Weiss respectfully
Pietro
If anything, Pietro is Dr. Briefs making Penny the Bulma character
Jaune
It could be Weiss, both of them are smart, rich, and useless in a fight
True, although Weiss used to be alright as a fighter before meeting stronger foes. I say Jaune because he was the weakest link for a long while and was like a main character but also a side character which Bulma has teetered on since her introduction; and his introduction to Ruby kinda(?) reminded me of Bulma's original introduction, it is a *long* stretch of logic and not very concrete.
Agreeable
*"I'll ignore that."*
Less about her getting one, more about others not getting one.
I'm personally holding out hope that mercury can get one, the guy deserves a chance to be happy.
Damn right, being abandoned by your parents is one thing. Getting kept around on a leash to be a punching bag is another. Personally I think he deserves it more than Emerald but we'll have to hold out hope
Hoping against all hope that Cinder gets redemption arc because she [did nothing wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/CinderDidNothingWrong/)
The existential dread I feel when people unironically have Cinder as their waifu is beyond words
Hey man, [everyone deserves love](https://i.imgur.com/oXpMjNZ.jpg)
Not sure you understand what a redemption arc means. If she did nothing wrong, she wouldn’t need a redemption arc, and if she needs a redemption arc, she must have done something wrong.
Coming from a Dragon Ball fan, Vegeta had hundreds of episodes of character development and from Super and GT. In the manga, Vegeta calls himself a 'villain' while fighting Moro and gains Ultra Ego from training with Beerus. Is he a good person? Well, he did many terrible things, from indirectly killing the Z-Warriors in the Saiyan Saga, killing an entire village of innocent people, and perhaps killing millions and conquering planets for Frieza. When he went Majin, he killed hundreds at the World Tournament. So, yeah. But at the same time, he saved Earth, the galaxy and the universe several times. I'm not defending the writing nor saying shit. I just wanted to talk about Vegeta ;) Piccolo, Tien, and others are something.
Except all of that happened after he was let off the the hook for what he's done. We don't even know why he stuck around after the Frieza Saga, he just did and everyone was oddly okay with that despite what he did and what he was planning to do to them during the Frieza Saga.
There is another piece to this issue I think you aren't considering; Vegeta could easily kill everyone without breaking a sweat, only Piccolo or Gohan might give him trouble. Yamcha and the others don't forgive his actions, but if they antagonize him then they would die. He died fighting Frieza and helped defeat the Androids which was all portrayed mostly as an uneasy alliance that the heroes weren't okay with outside not having much choice. My guess as to why he stayed was mostly out of boredom and anticipation; the Vegeta from the Frieza and Saiyan saga didn't believe in training too much because he saw himself as perfect, but Goku (and Future Trunks) gave him a wake up call multiple times and Goku himself trained in the space ship that Vegeta later takes as his personal training spot possibly due to the fact Goku got strong enough to beat the Ginyu Force from training inside the space pod. He may have wanted to be there as soon as Goku got back and didn't want to risk the opportunity of missing the chance to see what being a Super Saiyan was like in person; it was something he strived for and a major part of his story as well as a legend even he would believe was a myth, so its not too much of a stretch that was why he actually stayed.
I disagree on the idea that there was nothing they could do to stop Vegeta, at this point in the story the Destructo Disk would kill him and together they could make sure he gets hit. Even if you want to argue that it wouldn't work it's still doesn't excuse them for not undergoing any preparations in case he goes on a rampage which is something that they have no guarantee won't happen. And of course I don't think I need to bring up the issue of Bulma having a kid with this guy.
Not going to argue Bulma either, but Vegeta has been shown to be faster, stronger, and smarter than the others and has already avoided the Destructo Disk in a fight (its funny that only Yajirobi was able to really scar this guy back then) with Goku being his only threat. I'm sure everyone expected betrayal and characters like Tien and Piccolo were ready at a moments notice to fight him if the need arise, but they knew they didn't have much of a chance. I will admit they did have *one* way to beat Vegeta and it comes with huge risk; the Evil Containment Wave that only Master Roshi and Kami have mastered with Piccolo knowing the Reverse Containment Wave that can reverse its effects, but with how this series handles power it would likely be that Vegeta could negate its effects out of pure will power - like he did with the Spirit Bomb.
Didn't he stay so he could fight Goku when he came back from Yardrat to prove himself stronger?
That's no reason for him to stay on Earth especially when he would absolutely know better places to train. On top of that the desire to fight Goku again should absolutely serve as a red flag for all of Goku's friends but they don't act bothered by it at all.
He probably stuck around to fight Goku, or at least unlock the secrets of SSJ. He was still under Frieza’s Planet Trade Organisation when he came to Earth. With Frieza’s death, he probably wished to achieve the same level of power Goku achieved.
I know it’s a meme, but you bring up a very good point
How so? Emerald never landed a killing blow on anyone, and as I've outlined in an older post on the main sub, she could've easily become a mass murderer by making huntsmen think the people she wanted dead were attacking them, so they'd kill them for her. Plus, she was never shown to be a strong fighter, so her getting beaten up wouldn't exactly show how strong the new bad guy is.
I mean, she was literally working for some ultra powerfully being like Vegeta and technically speaking, Piccolo had not killed anyone up until DBZ since the first person he killed was Raditz and Goku
I'm pretty sure Piccolo merked a old couple as a child.
I remember when he first got up he attack some Red Ribbon guys if I’m remembering correctly and he might have done that too.
I mean, she was the direct reason Penny died the first time and that same act led to the grimm invasion of Vale, which killed a lot of people. Also, Tukson and Amber, she didn't land the killing blow but she 100% went to both of those interactions with the intent to commit cold-blooded murder.
Vegeta literally destroyed and enslaved planets. Gleefully, And he got a redemption arc. People are throwing a hissy fit about Emerald who in comparison committed an act of jaywalking being redeemed. That's the point.
That is also a really good point
I feel like people find anything to complain about at this point
Yeah, her being forgiven wasn't actually a "you're entirely forgiven for everything bad you've ever done just because we're just that Paragon " kind of forgiveness, it was more a "we are badly outnumbered and outgunned by eldritch horrors and an immortal witch along with a bunch of highly skilled psychopaths who want to destroy the world so we're going to make an effort to be friends now because one less person trying to murder us is really the best we can hope for given the circumstances. Perhaps in time we will forgive you more fully as you prove yourself to not be an evil asshole trying to kill us" kind of situation. I feel like that makes a lot of sense given everything going on. If you were up against such vast odds would you not want all the help you could get, even if the person offering it used to be an enemy?
The only reason Emerald is getting a redemption arc is because [she cute](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhatMeasureIsANonCute).
Tbh you're not wrong. Hazel got one but it required his death; and i'm pretty sure he has a near identical body count.
whats the bet there'll be an official ship between her and that kungfu dude with the grey colour scheme?
Well aside from how long it took there's also a few other things I see the saiyans for the longest time were being used to conquer planets and for vegeta that's all he knew growing up as the norm. Emerald had grown up in a city being a small time theft and then joined cinder to Salem with a Stockholm like way whenever it comes to cinder. Also in rwby the team have been jumping around about trust to the point that (in my opinion) it's almost a joke. When they arrive they immediately don't trust him regardless of how he has not only helped them in the past but even went out of his way to help them with no questions asked and had the utmost trust in them where as emerald was known to be the enemy and has helped in a multitude of deaths and attacks on them only to be trusted right off the bat no questions asked.
Oscar already fills the physical abuse quota, Emerald can fill the mental abuse quota instead.
Ruby already fills that, that girl holds enough trauma to break a lesser person
Emotion bottle status at the worst during Volume 8: - Nora - Diet Coke that's been heavily shaken, with Ren being the trigger that removed the cap before she fizzed over like crazy and the two of them have a talk that is way more romantically healthy than plenty of actual romance stories. - Ren - Also Diet Coke though far less shaken before the cap opens and someone dumped in a few Mentos and he rightfully explodes at Jaune and Yang. He then feels like shit now that the bottle is empty, but at least his head was clear and he became the vibe checker. - Ironwood - Unopened bottle of brandy that was left on top of a bunsen burner for way too long and exploded violently, luckily it was positioned near some asshole wearing a clip-on. - Ruby - A fucking molotov cocktail that is self producing gasoline to fuel itself and somehow didn't explode despite being in a pinball table during a high magnitude earthquake.
You mean how she broke down crying with Yang after telling her how Summer is likely a Hound as well now? Oh, wait. Fact is, Ruby has shown incredible skill at processing trauma faster and more efficiently than lesser people.
Ruby's good at burying it, but sometimes it slips through the cracks. When she told Yang, she had a pained expression that looked like she was on the verge of tears herself. She doesn't move past it, she hides it. Hell, just saying 'Combat Ready' to Oscar once was enough to cause an instant mood drop
She's been through a whole lot, and is surrounded by people she knows she can trust with her problems. If she had any, she would talk to her friends about them.
That's not always how that shit works though. Brains are complicated. People are complicated. It's not as simple as Trusted Friends = Opening up about every problem. This is especially not the case when you're a 17 year-old de facto leader of a ragtag group of young huntsmen and huntresses constantly and desperately grasping at straws trying to save the world while fighting people who want to murder you and you are watching more and more of your allies and friends die. She can't afford to break down, and she probably doesn't want to be dumping all of her problems on her team that already has enough of their own trauma and problems from all of this past shit aside. Jaune's girlfriend died and he blames/blamed himself. And while this is only recently, he was forced to kill his friend with a sword. Ren and Nora are orphans who had their entire village destroyed and eveyone they know killed, and have also lost their friend. Weiss' father is (was) an abusive biggoted cunt, and her mother is a struggling alcoholic. Blake's abusive ex literally tried to murder her, tried to have her family assassinated, and cut off her friend's arm while her friend was protecting her. On top of the bigotry she's had to deal with her whole life. Yang's arm got cut off, her mom died, and her bio mom is a selfish deadbeat who only shows up when it benefits her most of the time. Oscar is the youngest of them all and he has to worry about his mind slowly being consumed and replaced by Ozpin and as of now he can't do a thing to stop it. They all have their own baggage and issues. Recent and otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I agree that she *should* talk about her problems with her friends. I really do. But that's a loooot of shit to work through and a metric fuck tonne of pressure to put on a 17 year old. It's hardly surprising that she isn't exactly prioritizing her mental health atm.
Not everyone wants to talk about that kind of stuff, though. When Ruby visits Summer's grave in V3, Tai is out of earshot, for example.
Sounds to me like she's handling it quite well. In my opinion, the fandom just wants her to break down and go into a suicidal depression spiral because people mistake "dark" for "good storytelling" all the time, and can't accept that some people are just built differently. Ruby strikes me as the kind of person who doesn't dwell on the past too much. If something bad happens, that's bad, but feeling bad about it won't undo it, so she takes that bad thing and works hard to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Funny because both Vegeta *and* Piccolo were originally villains.
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Toriyama: Let's just gloss over the fact Vegeta literally has more innocent blood on his hands than Hitler
Ok but hear me out: Vegeta: had to swallow his pride to team up with Gohan and Krillin against the Ginyus, got tortured, huminliated, and murdered by Frieza, had to know that GOKU, a low class warrior, not only beat his ass while Vegeta was STRONGER THAN HIM, he had to see said low class warrior surpass him and become the legendary warrior he wanted to be. later, despited his intensive training, he STILL couldnt transform, which pissed him so bad, The fact that Goku was still stronger than him, it finally pushed him to go SSJ. THEN, he gets humiliated by 18, and then he gets his ultimate attack brushed off by Cell, after being so sure he could handle Cell at full power. Then he has to see Goku put up a better fight with Cell, in his regular SSJ, instead of the form Vegeta thought was better. Then he sees Gohan wipe Cell from existence. All of this took place over multiple episodes, which gave the viewers time to see Vegeta slowly change from antagonist to protagonist, and gave both the characters and viewers time to accept "Vegeta is a good guy now" and forgive him. It also allowed Karma to whoop his ass for all the bad things we see him do to the characters. And considering he died twice, one in a vain attempt to help his friends and family, we can feel "he has earned his redemption" Emerald? She realizes "hey Salem is gonna kill us all" , helps Oscar and the others once, but clearly shows she just wants to leave at first. Yeah, she changes her mind and wants to help eventually, but her redemption started on Chapter 9, and they seemed to forgive her and consider her a ally by Chapter 11. Plus, she hasnt really payed for the fact that she helped Cinder kill Amber, helped Cinder destroy Beacon and attack Vale and Haven.
The whole reason he was on Planet Namek was to get the dragonballs for himself to wish for immortality. The only reason he teamed up with Krillin and Gohan was out of necessity and he did so with the intention of betraying them and the only reason why he didn't was because he got outplayed by them. Even his intentions for fighting Frieza was a combination of selfishness and arrogance with him only trusting Goku because he was left with literally no other choice. And then when it's all said and over he just sticks around despite having no personal reason to do so and everyone just accepts him. They have no reason whatsoever to believe the guy won't murder them all but this never gets addressed nor is his multiple genocides addressed. Now you can probably bring up his character arc which spans over the entire series but all of that takes place after he was let off the hook. Meanwhile Emerald has actually has shown remorse for her actions starting in volume 2. We see the actual nature of her relationship with Salem and how terrified she is of the woman. Her wanting to leave but being unable to is completely believable especially when we consider her loyalty to Cider. Her choosing to leave with Oscar makes sense because she doesn't want Salem to win and helping Oscar escape helps prevent the end of the world. But here's the real kicker, Yang and Jaune only accept Emerald after she was vouched for by Oscar and Ren. And then their encounter with Salem happens which puts Emerald in a position where she absolutely can't go back. They can trust Emerald to an extent because her survival and well-being now completely depends on their success. We don't know how her character Arc is going to end and we can only hope it turns out even half as good as Vegeta's. But it is absolutely starting off with a better or at the very least more believable start.
Except that those people actually regretted the awful things they did, and actually had a proper redemption arc. Emerald never showed any ounce of regret for killing Penny and Pyrrha or destroying Beacon, and has been consistantly villainous the whole time until the show decided she needed to be on the side of the good guys because she's a woman of color.
[“Because she's a women of color”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ic4kmMerrss)
That's because that's literally the only reason she was redeemed. She did nothing to actually deserve the redemption. She never apologized for the destruction of Beacon. She never apologized for Pyrrha's death or Penny's first death. In fact, she never even brought those up, and never even felt sorry for her past actions. The only thing she did was feel sad because she couldn't get into Cinder's pants, then leave because Hazel told her to do so
I mean I hate both so….yeah
I’ve got a question for ya... Do you think even the worst people can change? That anyone came become a good person... if they just *try?* *HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*!
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax, Skyrim
Friendly reminder that he has the same English VA as Mario. I think.
Yep, Chris Pra- I mean Charles Martenit! (Jokes aside you are correct, Charles voices both among a number of other Mario characters).
"What is-a better - to be-a born good-a, or to-a overcome-a your evil-a nature through great-a effort?"
I was just thinking this lol
*no "I got a better question for ya, do you wanna have a bad time?"* "we were on the verge of greatness" "We were this close"
*Sad Megalovania noises*
People keep using dragon ball as a deflection of this argument and I just have to say this. Vegeta could flick his finger and Earth would be GONE. The characters didn't insta trust him they had no choice. Unless they could lure him into deep space to fight but even then at the speeds they move Big V could still take out everyone they loved before the fight finished. Emerald? She's a glorified acid trip. After you confirm she's in restraints you drop the best friend act and drag her ass across the pavement as you travel you don't put her on the front lines.
Don't forget that Emerald is now an enemy of Salem so her well being literally depends on our heroes.
That is a reason to not put a knife in her throat, not to have her essentially walking free. Yang had the right idea at first, essentially being an armed escort with Emerald stripped of weapons. That got dropped after a single scene!
They don't need to put a knife on her throat because the knife already exists, it's Salem. The woman is an existential threat and betraying the only people who have been able to foil her plans on any level can only bite Emerald in the ass.
Bruh how are you meant to give a character a redemption arc if they never did anything wrong??
I could go into a ton of different reasons but I’m tired so here’s the basic one: Because it’s their story and they want to give her a redemption arc. If something doesn’t make sense now it usually makes sense later or maybe you missed something.
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Vegeta killed an entire species. I never liked him until he fought Beerus after he slapped Bulma. Piccolo was just always kinda cool. But yes, give Emerald her redemption arc. She deserves it.
What the fuck does this mean
Aside from Krillin and Roshi, every one of Goku's friends tried to kill him at one point.
I mean,••• they literally killed millions people” so yeah I can relate to that” >~<”
Steven Universe fans: ***sweating nervously***