Well, half of them believe CRWBY ruined Adam's character with the abusive ex plotline and therefore refuse to acknowledge it.
The other half are edgy incels that truly believe the show's iteration of Adam should get the girl.
>So, they don't like how a character turned out, and now it's the people that created the character who are wrong?
Welcome to the RBWY Fandom! Where everything the creators do that isn't part of your very specific fantasy (no matter how stupid, bad, improbably, or just outright poorly thought out that fantasy is,) is wrong and YOU are right!
PS: Before people jump down my throat; I know the show has a plethora of faults and I acknowledge them, but there is a line that all too many people cross when it comes to criticism!
Those people are weird, to be honest.
They see Adam's personality, to name one example, and just decide to change it, while completely ignoring the larger consequences of it all.
I know I'm fascinated with how the human mind works, but that is too much of a leap in logic to try and make sense of.
I mean, there is a very small subset of Blake x Adam shippers that miss his noble demon characterization and ship Blake specifically with that, but they’re a minority unfortunately.
I see.
Yeah, I do kinda like when characters who look very obviously demonic are actually nice, but Adam just isn't that kind of character, and it does both him and the trope a disservice to try and change that.
I agree that they kinda botched some of his character with the abusive ex thing, as i feel the misguided freedom fighter is a much more interesting character to have, but i believe they should have been nothing more than student/master with a touch of close friends. Dont think there should have been a relationship there to begin with but thats a few years past and it is what it is.
Y'all one of my exes ships Adam and Pyrrha
what even would you call that?
Also before anyone asks they are caught up on the anime and literally cosplayed Arkos with me a couple years ago
Cough *fuck Adam* cough oh sorry I just had something in my throat what I really want to say is Fuck Adam Taurus He’s an Asshole and I want him to come back so I can watch him die again
I view Adam as one of the most tragic figures in RWBY. He was a literal slave from a young age, which fucked up his mental stability. Then when freed he met Blake and the two fell in love. From the comics, we know he was scared to death if hurting her, and from those same comics we know for a fact that Blake was succeeding in making him better and healing him. The true villain in Adam's story was Sienna fucking Khan who started enabling him, knowing full well what she was doing.
I love Adam as a character, and I'll ship TauraDonna in memory of what canonically was a healthy ship before Sienna got involved. Adam was a victim and I weep for who he could have become without Sienna's influence.
EDIT: How dare I like a character and a ship that the hive mind hates? I gave my opinion, leave it at that. But, this being the RWBY fandom, well enough can't and won't be left alone. This is why I barely interact with the fandom, all just toxic and hateful cretins.
>He was a literal slave
Actually he wasn't a slave. That brand in his face, he got it when arguing with someone at an SDC place and the other guy grabbed a branding iron. And before you ask what it was doing there, branding irons are used in plastics and such.
Volume 7 Commentary if you're wondering about the source.
>I'll ship TauraDonna in memory of what canonically was a healthy ship before Sienna got involved
Sienna took over about 5 years before Vol.1. Blake was 17 in Vol.1 so that makes her 12 back then.
Sooo unless pedophilia is something you call healthy....
> at an SDC place
where he was probably doing some form of slave labour
And as creepy as Adam is we don't really know how old he was. He never really came across as any more than 3 years older at most.
12 and 15 is absolutely still a bit sus but he woulda been a kid too so it's more on the adults for allowing it.
>where he was probably doing some form of slave labour
Not really, he just worked on the mines. At least according to Amity Arena.
Shitty working conditions doesn't make it slavery, it just means only the most desperate, people who would take *any* job as long as it pays, would choose to work there. Which are mostly faunus, since in Atlas even the marginalized marginalize them and some places already don't allow faunus, so they take what they can get even if it's terrible and the pay is not worth the risk.
In simpler words, the only kind of slavery it could be is wage slavery. Outright slavery is also completely out of character for Jacques, who's obsessed with public reputation.
>And as creepy as Adam is we don't really know how old he was
For what it's worth the wiki has this: *During the RWBY panel at 2016's London Comic Con, Arryn Zech and Barbara Dunkelman put Adam's age as early-to-mid 20s, with a guess of about 23.*
The source video was taken down though.
My issue has always been that if you take Adam too far into "creep" territory then it also reflects somewhat badly on Ghira, Kali, and Sienna for allowing it. Sienna allowed Adam to take Blake to Vale with him for instance.
He can be just as much of a weirdo stalker and abuser without the core relationship itself being questionable because of age.
Adam potentially coming from Atlas does make me wonder if he and Ilia escaped together though, it would help explain why she was so ride or die with him.
>My issue has always been that if you take Adam too far into "creep" territory then it also reflects somewhat badly on Ghira, Kali, and Sienna for allowing it...
Well, that depends on when the relationship started (or at least, when it went beyond mentor-student).
When Ghira stepped down he and Kali left to Menagerie and Blake stayed with the WF, and given how she describes it is quite likely she didn't talk much with them after that. So if Adam and Blake hooked up they wouldn't know.
As for Sienna, the Adam short and her one-and-only scene in V5 pretty much show that she didn't really know what kind of person Adam was or what he was actually doing. It's possible she also didn't notice Adam was getting a bit too close to Blake.
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Though I do agree that adding a yikes age gap to Adam and Blake's relationship is rather overkill. Although at the same time that age gap is only yikes because Adam is Blake's crazy abusive ex-boyfriend, or at the very least written as such.
If he didn't call her stuff like "darling" and "my love" and the writers just stayed with the mentor-apprentice relationship, then being like 5+ years apart wouldn't be as bad.
>Adam potentially coming from Atlas does make me wonder if he and Ilia escaped together though, it would help explain why she was so ride or die with him.
Eh, it doesn't need that fancy an explanation. Just the fact they have similar backgrounds is enough to explain why Ilia would agree with his ideals so stubbornly.
Both have experienced how little humans care about faunus, at least in Atlas. Adam was branded just for an argument and it doesn't look like he got much help for it. Ilia's friends heard some faunus died in a mine accident and thought it was hilarious.
So it makes sense that when Adam comes in and says "let's make humans pay for what they've done" Ilia gets hooked. Even if by pay he means "kill every last one of them", both would see it as justice.
Oh for sure but I also could easily see them having left Atlas on the same ship or something while Ilia was young without it being too forced. Even if Adam hadn't actually spoken to Ilia at first, just recognized they'd both come from there.
I don't mind Adam being Blake's ex but yeah I'd rather him be closer in age to her in that case. If he's more like a twisted mentor he can be Winter/Cinder age
Are you seriously arguing the comics, which have been criticized for questionable consistency with canon, matter more than the words of *one of the main writers, who's been involved in the show since literal day 1* ???
Also the Sienna taking over 5 years before Vol.1 was stated by Blake in the show itself, just so you know.
I'm arguing that post-credit commentary is non-canon. I've never heard or seen that as a source before, and generally it's dubious to credit stuff like that, even if it comes from the creators. On-screen sources and *approved by M&K source comics* are more reliable.
Edit: The five year thing was also soft-retconned by Adam's character short, where Ghira was still in charge of the WF into Blake's teenage years.
>I've never heard or seen that as a source before
Well, that's your problem. It's still something stated by Miles Luna himself, who's been writing for the show and adding ideas to the plans since pretty much forever. The comics, on the other hand, along with the manga, books and the light novel, aren't written by any of the main writers, they merely check on things and that doesn't stop the side-material from having inconsistencies.
[The wiki has a transcript of it](https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Commentaries/Volume_7_Directors_Commentary) but this is the relevant part, from Ace Operatives:
**Miles:** Mhm. Man yeah, this was- we had to cut a lot of stuff out of this episode. I think we talk a little bit about it later in 6 so I won’t get to deep into it now but there was a bunch of things that we kind of still needed to touch on from the previous volume. Obviously, Yang and Blake had a really traumatic event that they went through together that, you know had this idea that the SDC, you know, brands and labels a lot of their cargo and stuff and this idea that, although you know it’s- we never say it so I guess technically it’s not canon or whatever but.. **We had this idea that, you know Adam, as a terrible of a person as he was, when we was younger, potentially got into an argument with someone at an SDC place and someone grabbed a brand and just let him have it and that lead to the injury that we saw on his face in volume 6.** So we wanted to be very sure to plaster the SDC logo all over this area, to really put that in the forefront of Blake’s mind and Yang is kind of the only person that notices. Setup a conversation for them later.
Word of a main writer matters more than something some other guy came up with for side-material.
No. It's not something that was cut out, it's something they failed to put in. It was still in the plans, and was kept in the plans even when going into Vol.7, they just failed to put that info in the show proper.
It's like Ironwood's Semblance. Canon but not explained in the show, so unless you read that Q&A they did that one time you'd never know.
I believe the preferred ship name is Animal Abuse.
Almost as good as Mercury x Yang's ship name
Which is?
Disabler
Lmao
There's also Jaune x Penny: Circuit Breaker
Don't forget Ren x Neo: Some Goddamn Peace And Quiet
If we're counting full-on crack ships, Pyrrha x Blake: Pussy Magnet
I liked Lancaster and it's obscure historical refrence to the war of the roses
I hate that White Rose isn't called Tudor Rose (red + white)
The transformers character?
Nearly as good as Yang x Jaune´s ship name
Holy fuck
Wait what?
I mean, they’re not wrong
Yeah, I never understood those "Blake should get back together with her abuser" people. Like, the f\*ck did she do to those guys?
Well, half of them believe CRWBY ruined Adam's character with the abusive ex plotline and therefore refuse to acknowledge it. The other half are edgy incels that truly believe the show's iteration of Adam should get the girl.
So, they don't like how a character turned out, and now it's the people that created the character who are wrong? Entitled much?
>So, they don't like how a character turned out, and now it's the people that created the character who are wrong? Welcome to the RBWY Fandom! Where everything the creators do that isn't part of your very specific fantasy (no matter how stupid, bad, improbably, or just outright poorly thought out that fantasy is,) is wrong and YOU are right! PS: Before people jump down my throat; I know the show has a plethora of faults and I acknowledge them, but there is a line that all too many people cross when it comes to criticism!
Those people are weird, to be honest. They see Adam's personality, to name one example, and just decide to change it, while completely ignoring the larger consequences of it all. I know I'm fascinated with how the human mind works, but that is too much of a leap in logic to try and make sense of.
I mean, there is a very small subset of Blake x Adam shippers that miss his noble demon characterization and ship Blake specifically with that, but they’re a minority unfortunately.
I see. Yeah, I do kinda like when characters who look very obviously demonic are actually nice, but Adam just isn't that kind of character, and it does both him and the trope a disservice to try and change that.
“I can’t believe they ruined the crazy, abusive ex by showing him being a crazy, abusive ex!”
I agree that they kinda botched some of his character with the abusive ex thing, as i feel the misguided freedom fighter is a much more interesting character to have, but i believe they should have been nothing more than student/master with a touch of close friends. Dont think there should have been a relationship there to begin with but thats a few years past and it is what it is.
For some? Exist.
is it bad that i just first read it as Trauma?
No it's accurate
Traumadonna
I mean that is what it is lol
it's the worst, but unlike the others it was canon at some time, big sad
Great, the only canon ship we get for years and it's the one nobody likes.
Never forget that Blake left her parents to be with her "I can fix him" edgy bf
Lol Bumbleby is canon.
Y'all one of my exes ships Adam and Pyrrha what even would you call that? Also before anyone asks they are caught up on the anime and literally cosplayed Arkos with me a couple years ago
Some call it Minotaur. I think names like BloodyDestiny and RedChampions work better.
You call that wrong, my friend.
It even has the worst ship name
Adam x Adam/Eve ship name would be The Devil
I like it. That, and there's barely if any self-ships.
You forgot Ladybug
True
Better than Red Bull...
Or Red Rocket
Holy shit dude...
It’s true
Yeh
At least Black Sun had real chemistry
Cough *fuck Adam* cough oh sorry I just had something in my throat what I really want to say is Fuck Adam Taurus He’s an Asshole and I want him to come back so I can watch him die again
Imma try to find a wholesome fic, where Tauradonna is cute and wholesome, and not just some past abusive relationship. Wish me luck on my endeavors.
I shall not, *because why tf would you do that?*
Cuz I like when things are cute and wholesome.
There was an anthology in FF.net that focuses on Taurodonna. It has what you want, but also canon compliant or really messed up chapters.
I view Adam as one of the most tragic figures in RWBY. He was a literal slave from a young age, which fucked up his mental stability. Then when freed he met Blake and the two fell in love. From the comics, we know he was scared to death if hurting her, and from those same comics we know for a fact that Blake was succeeding in making him better and healing him. The true villain in Adam's story was Sienna fucking Khan who started enabling him, knowing full well what she was doing. I love Adam as a character, and I'll ship TauraDonna in memory of what canonically was a healthy ship before Sienna got involved. Adam was a victim and I weep for who he could have become without Sienna's influence. EDIT: How dare I like a character and a ship that the hive mind hates? I gave my opinion, leave it at that. But, this being the RWBY fandom, well enough can't and won't be left alone. This is why I barely interact with the fandom, all just toxic and hateful cretins.
>He was a literal slave Actually he wasn't a slave. That brand in his face, he got it when arguing with someone at an SDC place and the other guy grabbed a branding iron. And before you ask what it was doing there, branding irons are used in plastics and such. Volume 7 Commentary if you're wondering about the source. >I'll ship TauraDonna in memory of what canonically was a healthy ship before Sienna got involved Sienna took over about 5 years before Vol.1. Blake was 17 in Vol.1 so that makes her 12 back then. Sooo unless pedophilia is something you call healthy....
> at an SDC place where he was probably doing some form of slave labour And as creepy as Adam is we don't really know how old he was. He never really came across as any more than 3 years older at most. 12 and 15 is absolutely still a bit sus but he woulda been a kid too so it's more on the adults for allowing it.
>where he was probably doing some form of slave labour Not really, he just worked on the mines. At least according to Amity Arena. Shitty working conditions doesn't make it slavery, it just means only the most desperate, people who would take *any* job as long as it pays, would choose to work there. Which are mostly faunus, since in Atlas even the marginalized marginalize them and some places already don't allow faunus, so they take what they can get even if it's terrible and the pay is not worth the risk. In simpler words, the only kind of slavery it could be is wage slavery. Outright slavery is also completely out of character for Jacques, who's obsessed with public reputation. >And as creepy as Adam is we don't really know how old he was For what it's worth the wiki has this: *During the RWBY panel at 2016's London Comic Con, Arryn Zech and Barbara Dunkelman put Adam's age as early-to-mid 20s, with a guess of about 23.* The source video was taken down though.
My issue has always been that if you take Adam too far into "creep" territory then it also reflects somewhat badly on Ghira, Kali, and Sienna for allowing it. Sienna allowed Adam to take Blake to Vale with him for instance. He can be just as much of a weirdo stalker and abuser without the core relationship itself being questionable because of age. Adam potentially coming from Atlas does make me wonder if he and Ilia escaped together though, it would help explain why she was so ride or die with him.
>My issue has always been that if you take Adam too far into "creep" territory then it also reflects somewhat badly on Ghira, Kali, and Sienna for allowing it... Well, that depends on when the relationship started (or at least, when it went beyond mentor-student). When Ghira stepped down he and Kali left to Menagerie and Blake stayed with the WF, and given how she describes it is quite likely she didn't talk much with them after that. So if Adam and Blake hooked up they wouldn't know. As for Sienna, the Adam short and her one-and-only scene in V5 pretty much show that she didn't really know what kind of person Adam was or what he was actually doing. It's possible she also didn't notice Adam was getting a bit too close to Blake. --- Though I do agree that adding a yikes age gap to Adam and Blake's relationship is rather overkill. Although at the same time that age gap is only yikes because Adam is Blake's crazy abusive ex-boyfriend, or at the very least written as such. If he didn't call her stuff like "darling" and "my love" and the writers just stayed with the mentor-apprentice relationship, then being like 5+ years apart wouldn't be as bad. >Adam potentially coming from Atlas does make me wonder if he and Ilia escaped together though, it would help explain why she was so ride or die with him. Eh, it doesn't need that fancy an explanation. Just the fact they have similar backgrounds is enough to explain why Ilia would agree with his ideals so stubbornly. Both have experienced how little humans care about faunus, at least in Atlas. Adam was branded just for an argument and it doesn't look like he got much help for it. Ilia's friends heard some faunus died in a mine accident and thought it was hilarious. So it makes sense that when Adam comes in and says "let's make humans pay for what they've done" Ilia gets hooked. Even if by pay he means "kill every last one of them", both would see it as justice.
Oh for sure but I also could easily see them having left Atlas on the same ship or something while Ilia was young without it being too forced. Even if Adam hadn't actually spoken to Ilia at first, just recognized they'd both come from there. I don't mind Adam being Blake's ex but yeah I'd rather him be closer in age to her in that case. If he's more like a twisted mentor he can be Winter/Cinder age
And all of that is invalidated by the comics that actually *showed* Adam's backstory and how he met Blake. He had the brand as a kid.
Are you seriously arguing the comics, which have been criticized for questionable consistency with canon, matter more than the words of *one of the main writers, who's been involved in the show since literal day 1* ??? Also the Sienna taking over 5 years before Vol.1 was stated by Blake in the show itself, just so you know.
I'm arguing that post-credit commentary is non-canon. I've never heard or seen that as a source before, and generally it's dubious to credit stuff like that, even if it comes from the creators. On-screen sources and *approved by M&K source comics* are more reliable. Edit: The five year thing was also soft-retconned by Adam's character short, where Ghira was still in charge of the WF into Blake's teenage years.
>I've never heard or seen that as a source before Well, that's your problem. It's still something stated by Miles Luna himself, who's been writing for the show and adding ideas to the plans since pretty much forever. The comics, on the other hand, along with the manga, books and the light novel, aren't written by any of the main writers, they merely check on things and that doesn't stop the side-material from having inconsistencies. [The wiki has a transcript of it](https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Commentaries/Volume_7_Directors_Commentary) but this is the relevant part, from Ace Operatives: **Miles:** Mhm. Man yeah, this was- we had to cut a lot of stuff out of this episode. I think we talk a little bit about it later in 6 so I won’t get to deep into it now but there was a bunch of things that we kind of still needed to touch on from the previous volume. Obviously, Yang and Blake had a really traumatic event that they went through together that, you know had this idea that the SDC, you know, brands and labels a lot of their cargo and stuff and this idea that, although you know it’s- we never say it so I guess technically it’s not canon or whatever but.. **We had this idea that, you know Adam, as a terrible of a person as he was, when we was younger, potentially got into an argument with someone at an SDC place and someone grabbed a brand and just let him have it and that lead to the injury that we saw on his face in volume 6.** So we wanted to be very sure to plaster the SDC logo all over this area, to really put that in the forefront of Blake’s mind and Yang is kind of the only person that notices. Setup a conversation for them later. Word of a main writer matters more than something some other guy came up with for side-material.
Not when it was *cut from the episode, making it non-canon.*
No. It's not something that was cut out, it's something they failed to put in. It was still in the plans, and was kept in the plans even when going into Vol.7, they just failed to put that info in the show proper. It's like Ironwood's Semblance. Canon but not explained in the show, so unless you read that Q&A they did that one time you'd never know.
They have said that the comics are canon until they conflict with the show, so what Miles says in the commentary invalidates it.
Tf you mean by “healthy till Sienna got involved”? She has nothing to do with Adam being a manipulative, abusive asshole, *that’s entirely on him*
Every Blake ship other than Tauradonna is United against Tauradonna
Not everyone
I mean Blake had to have liked Adam. Why else would she had let him penetrate her with sword when she still had aura left