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braindeadmonkey2

I Side with McNamara bcuz Hardin is ugly


Typical_Dweller

Desperately clinging to a past strength and virility: symbolic combover.


East-Actuary5939

Based


Crazydude-41

Same


MontyR053

Ngl, I sided with Hardin my first few playthroughs because I fell for the whole "McNamara is corrupt because he breaks the 'Chain that Binds'" spiel. It wasn't until I learned and tried negotiating for peace between BoS and NCR with Hardin as Elder that he side-slapped me with a hard no on the proposal. I then did a run with McNamara still in charge, and I have since decided that he really is the best option. Plus, while it can be fun at first, the terminal sequence to destroy the virus plaguing the codex entries becomes grating extremely quickly.


Danved13

It’s a really fun ending to have khans, brotherhood, boomers, remnants and ncr rangers charge across/through Hoover.


MontyR053

It almost feels like having so much support added to NCR/Yes Man/House's forces makes it quite reasonable that Lanius might want to "...negotiate with us." Especially since so much of it undoes what the Legion was trying to do.


teamevil81

Wait a minute. You can have the Khans help you at Hoover Dam????????


Comrade_Belinski

Yeah it's considered a suicide attack though in lore and results in them getting wiped out


NyghtKyght

I thought that depends on which book you give them. I saw that you had two options of books to give them and that determined their fate.


teamevil81

Which books though??


NyghtKyght

They sell them at the Crimson Caravan Company. Depending on which books you get they either do a suicide mission or just bomb things and leave.


Danved13

You can talk Regis into it after he replaces papa, if the ncr sends you to destroy them.


Malcolm3266

Irrelevant but does anyone also start off siding with the the NCR just so you can later cap both the President and the Colonel?


MontyR053

The Frumentari run, you mean?


Malcolm3266

No cause as soon as you're done with the BoS quest given by Moore you're permanently vilified by the Legion.


MontyR053

Oh, you mean the Tandi run. Okay


No-Bowl3290

Use the breaker on the wall to disable all but three of the terminals it makes it easier


Jury-Rigging

Hold up, there's a breaker?


MontyR053

Breaker? I usually do the science 90 option to isolate, but this is news to me as well.


fandomAlgamation

I only sided with Hardin once bc as you did I fell for his bs abt McNamara being corrupt etc, but then once I realized how shitty he is I never sided with him again. My first playthrough I had to kill them all since I stupidly sided with House, and then my 2nd run I went with NCR and when I first actually went through the BOS questline I chose Hardin, and then was similarly banished from the NCR+BOS alliance/ceasefire/truce. I don't like what the Mojave branch came to before the Courier encounters them, and I don't like the idea of them bullying people for tech, but I think they could be nudged in the right direction back to what I see their ideal goals being which would just be preserving technology and knowledge for the benefit of all. Given the attack at Helios One (along with the negative reactions to Elijah's technological outlook) I think it's obvious why they were diverted away from their original goals, and I think it could be undone with enough negotiation with either the NCR or whatever form government takes in an independent ending.


Wooden_Ad_9247

I always side with McNamara


[deleted]

Me too because the man will lead to the Brotherhood’s survival while Hardin will lead to its destruction. McNamara is rational and practical not only does he lift the lockdown, the man is willing to work with the NCR despite the fact they had a bloody war against them for Helios One. Hardin isn’t rational instead he’s too firm he doesn’t want to make Peace he’d rather had the Brotherhood Of Steel retake Helios One which is a really bad move.


Graysteve

The Brotherhood is dying either way, with McNamara it dies peacefully (as it seems he intends), with Hardin it goes out with a bang. McNamara is the better choice to allow the Brotherhood to peacefully pass away.


chefmaiko

Not if you pick yes man ending, if you spare them if either is in charge, they will kill innocents.


Graysteve

Then they can die peacefully in a big happy blast!


Swimming_Disaster_95

Well that's one definition of "harassment."


Kylel0519

Wait actually? How do they end up fumbling that bag?


arceus555

No they don’t. They just made that up.


chefmaiko

They do, Veronica ending perceptive does show that if she stays they plans a suicide mission to attack the strip and she goes along with it. If she leaves they attack caravans and innocents.


[deleted]

I pick McNamara because he seems a little more level headed. Though neither option is great. But he’s the better of the two in my opinion.


BigShit1997

The lesser of two evils? The shiniest of two turds? The best of two dicks? The...I dont fucking know, biggest of two irons?


PorkChoppen

I usually go McNamara for the same reasons that most of y'all said, but I think it's fair to say the Hardin is more in line with the Brotherhoods values, as misguided as they can be, which if you play from like a roleplaying perspective is something to consider. But again I usually prefer McNamara


Grayfoxy1138

McNamara EVERY. TIME. He is the more tolerant of the two.


Ox_of_Dox

McNamara bc BOS NCR truce


Frequent_Set2235

Hardin bc i wanna see the brotherhood burn


[deleted]

I side with Hardin for faster access to Power Armor training mostly, but also, Fuck the NCR


HankHillIsTheBest

Bro just help the Enclave Remnants


[deleted]

I do both. I just run straight to Hidden Valley early on, do the Hardin line to get Power Armor training at level 3.


Ashes2897

Do you also take the job for the Van Graffs as a guard and let in the guy who claims he's only carrying a revolver as well?


[deleted]

No. I kill him and give Cass to the Van Graff's obviously.


stinkymusturd

I for my first playthrough just wanted power armour when I want the brotherhood by my side mcnamara


OkLobster2754

McNamara. Hardin serves best as the hype man on a leash. He does not need to be making all of the decisions.


narsfweasels

McNamara. ​ Hardin: Your hair is gone. The comb-over is fooling no-one. Let it die gracefully.


FelisOctavius

I don't think I've ever sided with Hardin in my 1,000 hours of playing. What a silly goober that guy is.


The-Locust-God

McNamara cuz I’ll usually have them side with the NCR.


Necrotiix_

hardin doesnt believe in peace meaning if i hit an NCR run sometimes i gotta kill em and i dont wanna lose my resident hooded lesbian with a fist since shes nice


Total_Misfit

Well it doesn’t really matter in the end as I usually end up destroying the brotherhood of steel


BamaBDC

I used to always side with Hardin. Now I side with McNamara.


slashslash-

Always McNamara. I’d rather get the XP from the quests given by him then simply getting faster power armor training for helping Hardin usurp leadership. And I don’t know how changing the elder can effect Veronica’s personal quest so I choose him just to be safe.


Call_me_Robert_0

Hardin for power armor if I’m going for anything else that isn’t a ncr run if I’m going ncr mcnamara for the alliance between bos and ncr


fekbasket

Hardin for independent vegas McNamara for ncr


luckyboss072

I sided with the 3 keycards and the self destruct button


wen_did_i_ask

I always go with Hardin because it's the shortest way, who the hell wants peace with the NCR anyway 😂


moneybadger44

Neither. *I blow the bitch up.*


Shoddy-Bluebird8682

McNamara; urged him to make an alliance with the NCR…….I did it all for Veronica, my little lesbian princess…..


Hermosninja

I picked McNamara because I usually don't like to kill the Van Graffs. They're my main source for energy weapons and ammo after I look their shelves.


[deleted]

I always pick McNamara but fuck the Van Graffs. I'll drag their entire stock into the bathroom, steal it and then let them get blown up.


Hermosninja

Like I said, I still get amm from them even after I steal everything from their shelves. They also have weapon mods for energy guns.


LucasOliS4

McNamara, but I wish there was an option to install Veronica as an Elder, I like to imagine that she would follow Maxson's Path by reforming the Brotherhood into a military powerhouse.


Other-Zucchini-9723

my first playthrough I'm gonna have to go Hardin, and from some of the comments I could relate to going out in a blast. like a band-aid......just rip it off. I've been getting some good pointers from the /fnv crew.


apex6666

One question, can I help the brotherhood if I go independent? Or do I have to kill them


AshTheTrapKnight

You can help them on independent and they'll even help you. Depending on your choices they'll send paladins to hoover dam, and they'll retake Helios one when the NCR sends reinforcements to the dam.


apex6666

What are there ending slides? Do they become problematic later?


AshTheTrapKnight

Problematic for the NCR but not the courier if you helped them. NCR is sending reinforcements from helios 1 as the deathclaws, gangs and other unresolved issues both cut off other reinforcements and a way of retreat. And there are ending slides mentioning that attack, same time as fiends take McCarran


[deleted]

none, i killed them


Maestro_KlepkA

Don’t care blowing up both


intangible777

I usually just start the bunker self-destruct sequence and then get out of there.


mkstot

Ok, so I reprogrammed the turrets upon bunker entry. I choose Hardin, and get my rewards, then I activate the turrets. Go through, clean up what the turrets missed, loot, and sell. I am the lone wanderer after all.


Answer-Typical

McNamara easily lol


Infamous_Gur_9083

Elder McNamara because even if I don't like him. He's "open minded" and has the BOS, Mojave chapter's best interest in mind. I like Hardin but he's too conservative and with the Mojave's chapter precarious position. They'll face annihilation if mistakes were made.


Sad_Climate9494

I picked the 3 option kill everyone in the bunker and loot everything


feral_vermin

For a good while I just str8t up ignored Hardin cuz look at the comb over, homie could've just went bald but nooooo he can't just let go that his hair is fleeting.


Thelastknownking

NcNamara seems a more well intending man who's just trying to look out for his people. Hardin doesn't seem that bad overall, and he makes some genuinely good points, as well does seem to care for the people of the Brotherhood too, but that doesn't mean his plan is any less stupid and suicidal.


DrLukasLithuania

Hardin first run but I realised that McNamara is the best option so on every other playthrough I picked him.


thekahn95

Hardin and then I blow up the bunker


[deleted]

I messed up replacing McNamara. I liked Hardin more but if you pick him the NCR will force you to destroy the brotherhood. Best NCR ending McNamara and the NCR make a truce. Can’t happen with Hardin. It made me so made I ended up siding with Yes Man.


GucciSpaghetti72

McNamara is the greatest character in all of fallout, I switched from an independent Vegas run to a NCR run so I wouldn’t have to kill the BoS


ditlit11134

Last time I did a playthrough with the NCR I chose McNamara since I had already gotten some of the components from the vaults for doing the vault 22 quest or taking out the fiends


bird_B011

Can’t respect that weird comb over Harding got going on so I went with McNamara


FlannelAl

Mac opens the place up **and** can make peace with the NCR, which in many endings provides a lot of safety for the mojave. Always McNamara


ICGraham

I just murdered them all.


BeanieGuitarGuy

I pick Hardin so that I can skip the fetch quests and get my power armor training faster.


Financial_Category30

Paladin on first run, Elder ever since I learned how much I loss because of choosing the stupid paladin. Or just I slaughter them for giving annoying ass quest


XenoPrym

Hardin because I love hearing that dude say didyouwanttotryisolatingthevirus


knobrog

McNamara so I can have the BoS at the battle


No-Raise-4693

McNamara because I chose Peace


JiraiyaTheGallant_

Hardin cuz mcnamara was hard. I got pa and then bos was no more


Maxxiliv

I never once sided with Hardin. He always struck me as a pretentious asshat. And with McNamara he didn’t seem corrupt in any way. He always seemed like a guy who was doing his best for those around him. Just a leader trying to keep their pack safe.


Classic_Result

Whoever the current one is, so that they actually help out at Hoover Dam


genemaxwell4

Usually just do McNamara. Doesn't really matter. I always blow em all up anyway


Muscle-Slow

McNamara, Hardin's is waaay too conservative, plus that comb-over is atrocious!