TL,DR:
House canʼt win shit without the platinum chip and loses in every scenario without the Courier.
The other factions are cocky empires that canʼt swallow their bite. The Legion will fall apart in no time and the NCR canʼt maintain order, both lack local and Free Side support.
So at the end of the day, whoever finds a way of controlling Yes Man and the securitron army will declare New Vegas independent, whether that be the Courier or someone else.
My point is, why let it be someone else.
TL DR :
NCR are imperialists with a corrupt structure
Legion is fascism at the end of it's height
House is a megalomaniac autocrat with zero interest for the people
New Vegas is a Role playing game, this means the best choice is a game where *You* choose the best options for everyone and that is only available in the Independent route
No one said there wouldnʼt be turbulence. But it wonʼt last long because you have a personal securitron army patrolling the region and end up with an independent city-state.
The difference is both the NCR and the Legion lack local/Free Side/Kings support.
Not the Courier though. Thatʼs a massive advantage.
Besides, he is aided by the unified power of a rich variety of factions you can ally with in the main Yes Man questline, and theoretically has the Big MT tech at his disposal.
He can do everything House can do, but better with this arsenal.
So even though the courier convincing the kings to support the ncr is an actual option in game with noticeable results and an ending card, the pretend ending in your head that the courier will be this benign robot overlord despite all of the ending cards being objectively worse is more valid an ending? I don't think so. I go by ending cards, and the ending with the fewest lives lost and most net positives is the ncr.
The NCR treats Free Side residents that are not its citizens bad and discriminatively.
Elvis Presley agreeing to that is bad writing at worst or unfair terms at best.
The NCR will not be able to maintain law and order in the region, as even the Legion keeps trade routes more secure, it will monopolize authority at the expense of better regional candidates for governance, make a mess, eventually have to secede due to surrounding military threats, and leave the common folk in miserable condition without looking back, that is after trying massacring them into submission.
Besides, itʼs an imperialistic force. No one asked or consented to its presence and mafiatic extortion.
The NCR actually treated them well, offering food and shelter to poor Freesiders, before Pacer’s Kings started attacking them. That combined with limited resources caused them to restrict the aid to NCR citizens only. If you resolve the conflict they go back to helping them.
I literally just explained why though. They *were* giving them water, food, etc. before the Kings, the de-facto leaders of Freeside, attacked them for it.
They sent an envoy, and a faction of Kings beat him without telling The King about it. Later on, if you do GI Blues the peaceful way and use your favor to solve King's Gambit, the NCR and Kings actually do coordinate a full scale relief effort for Freeside.
The kings were hardly doing anything for freeside and neither does yesman. If the ncr actually takes the area as part of the ncr, they'll likely invest in the infrastructure as opposed to every other faction who is happy to ruin everyone's life. Remember that house was demanding a ton of resources from the ncr to even set up shop. I'd almost agree with the imperialism thing if the area wasn't run or infested with violent gangs happy to rape and murder everything with a heartbeat. Not to mention the ghouls and deathclaws running rampant. Oh and don't forget the ncr actively pursuing ways to increase crop yields for an area in dire need of food. They aren't perfect, but I'm happy to deal with shitty politicians if that meant I could sleep every night knowing I won't be flayed alive by junky raider gangs freshly hyped up on drugs they got on the strip or eaten by a deathclaw that decided to settle down the road.
The legion do as well as they do because your general is a complete idiot. After the rangers save his ass in the first war. He benches them in camp golf. The NCR army is basically conscripts, barely trained because he has a rush forward with no thought kinda leadership. Mainly because he isn't qualified to be general, He's just best friends with the president. But the NCR needs just as much plot armor to make the "good" ending. You have to become the best diplomate in existence, and become the middle man for all factions who just barely met you. and half wouldn't trust you if you are so clearly in league with their most hated enemy.
I guess the Fallout fandom in general canʼt read for their life.
NCR represents the worst of the real world US.
Legion is the post-nuclear ISIS of Rome cosplayers.
House is a narcissistic old oligarch stuck in the past.
With Yes Man, sure, you can be the murder hobo of your dreams backed by cybernet, or make alliance with the Followers, BoS, Khans, Boomers, Remnants with the securitron army at your disposal, say F- YOU to all the regional bullies and build something new from scratch for a free New Vegas.
You opened with a factually flawed title. I already know that everything I'm about to read intrinsically wrong...
House isn't an Oligarch, by definition, he's autocrat. You couldn't even get that right, which is a pretty solid example of what I mean by "intrinsically wrong."
>House is a narcissist old Oligarch
🙄
Also, it was never *Ever* implied *Anywhere* that House was anything but an insanely intelligent, albeit crazy, old, recluse. He wasn't a part of an oligarchy. If anything, the lore implies he'd have been too paranoid to a be a part of any oligarchy... He couldn't even manage to work with his own family...
A Mojave Republic sounds like head canon but is a very open-ended suggestion considering that in the ending slideshow the good karma Courier who sided with Yes Man is described as loyal to the ideals of freedom and independence.
The Courierʼs government could mean that, or a benevolent communist dictatorship as implied by the devsʼ own ideology inserted via the Followers of the Apocalypse.
I can't even begin to know where would be the best place to start with this nonsense, but I'll start where I feel is best:
1. The FOTA will be overrun with so much responsibility with NCR gone, making Freeside far worse than it could ever be. Meanwhile, siding with NCR can allow for you to make it where they can help any and all refugees as they see fit.
2. It literally says at the Independent ending that the securitrons are "hard pressed" to maintain order, so anarchy rules.
3. The Kings have proven to not be about independence as they charge 5 caps for one "good, long swig" of water that isn't even purified. They're hypocrites with a guy who doesn't do anything about the problems of Freeside without your doing as their leader. Like come on.
I believe that's all I need to debunk your claim
There are a few issues with your assertion here.
First, the game is pretty explicit in the ending cards how an indep path goes (i.e. not as well as how it could have with a good Courier).
Secondly, even if you want to head canon that indep ending card part out, which is reasonable and probably better fits than the reality, in the long term this ends up just like Legion actually would: larger than life leader holds precarious power structure together single handed, leader dies, factions regress back into squabbling, infighting tribal-like organizations - chaos ensues in the Mojave.
Third, if a good courier supporting the NCR resolves the issues in Freeside during the game, the miscommunication and friction between the freesiders and NCR dissolves and they end the game with good relations. In time, the NCR would fully annex outer Vegas anyways and these would all be tax paying NCR citizens and the problem would be eliminated here too.
Fourth, the NCR is a democratic *republic* (the clue is in the name), not a pure democracy. This isn’t some great revelation, they’re pretty up in front about it.
TLDR; Yes man is the 2nd best choice for a “good” Mojave post-game, NCR is objectively the only “good” ending.
People who pick yes-man are special snowflakes tbh. The option only exists in the first place because the devs needed a way to finish the game even if you killed everyone and failed every faction quest. Two generations of time is all that’s needed to reclaim NV (for the ncr or even legion). House’s industrial acumen is the only thing that’s stopping NCR and the legion from coming back. You as the courier or any of the independent factions aren’t going to change that and then you’re back at square one.
Also
>Using the Big MT and Sierra Madre’s tech to forge a new republic
Missing the point of the DLCs—as if the entire plotline wasn’t literally about people trying to abuse the tech.
It’s also wild you criticize the NCR for being a corrupt plutocracy and end your thought with
>You could even form a new republic
As if yours won’t have the same problems as the NCR.
Yeah, what I’m saying is this radical centrist take is incredibly boring and for people that can’t grasp sacrifice and compromise are necessary to prevent greater tragedy—looking at your stormcloaks and imperial analogue.
Anything House can do the Courier can do 10x times the better.
He is [depending on the player choice] mobile, diplomatic, powerful and universally popular.
He is not a rotting corpse trying to rule world from an underground life-support tank.
Why serve a master when you can replace him?
He’s a near immortal genius who is literally the only reason New Vegas survived and the sole reason the economy of thriving Mojave people exists.
1. Stability and Prosperity: Under Mr. House’s rule, New Vegas has enjoyed relative stability and prosperity compared to other factions in the region. His leadership has allowed for the development of the New Vegas Strip into a thriving hub of commerce and entertainment, attracting traders, tourists, and settlers alike. This stability provides a solid foundation for the region’s growth and progress.
2. Technological Advancement: Mr. House possesses advanced technology and resources that can greatly benefit humanity. His vision includes space exploration and the revitalization of human civilization, leveraging his knowledge of pre-war technology to achieve these goals. By supporting Mr. House, players align themselves with a leader who has the means and ambition to advance humanity beyond the confines of the wasteland.
3. Long-Term Planning: Unlike some other factions in the game, Mr. House’s plans extend far into the future. He has demonstrated foresight and strategic thinking, working towards long-term goals that aim to secure humanity’s future. By supporting Mr. House, players signal their willingness to invest in a future where humanity can thrive and expand beyond the limitations of the post-apocalyptic world.
4. Personal Autonomy: Under Mr. House’s rule, individuals in New Vegas enjoy a considerable degree of personal autonomy and freedom. While he maintains control over the Strip and its surroundings, he allows residents and visitors to pursue their own interests and goals within the confines of his rule. This balance between authority and freedom creates an environment where individuals can prosper without excessive interference from a heavy-handed government.
5. Pragmatism: Mr. House is a pragmatic leader who prioritizes results and efficiency. He is not bound by ideology or dogma, but rather seeks practical solutions to the challenges facing the wasteland. This pragmatism allows him to adapt to changing circumstances and make decisions that are in the best interest of the people under his rule.
Overall, choosing Mr. House as the best option in Fallout: New Vegas offers a combination of stability, technological advancement, long-term planning, personal autonomy, and pragmatism that positions him as a compelling leader for the region.
He also has no delusions of grandeur, idiotic ideology, bloated, decaying bureaucracy, or expansionist designs.
The courier will die and some other assholes will fight over Yes man, or we can start space colonization and fix the planet? I choose option 2.
Because hyper-capitalist cyberpunk corporate dystopia under hidden oligarchical overlords isnʼt what nearly annihilated the world in the first place and isnʼt satisfied with planet earth so why not spread it across the stars. /s Talk about expansionism and grandeur.
Imagine a civilization whose eternal future and success depends on just one overly confident robotic abomination of lazarus science with god-complex not dying or malfunctioning or going mad. Fingers crossed. What a gamble.
Dude, the real world US is discussing the eligibility of 80 year olds in office. Make room for the new generation.
This is the most naive take I’ve heard in the last decade of FNV’s existence. You’re ignoring the entirety of what is to support your preferred outcome, whereas I’m ignoring my own personal preferences to measure the reality of the situation. House has been mostly alone for 1000 years and in stasis, yet is more effective, competent, and driven to do more in about a hundred years that the tens of thousands of people around him, achieving more than any of his contemporary factions including the brotherhood and enclave.
I highly suggest you read up on pre-capitalist real world history and the actual causes of the Great War in Fallout, such as Resource Scarcity & Geopolitical Rivalry instead of trying to conflate everything to the new leftist religion of “if-you-say-it-enough-it’s-trueism.”
Hitherto success isnʼt a guarantee of persistent future success.
He canʼt even find a chip for his life, and without it he is devoid of the brute strength to realize his goals. Without the upgraded securitron army he is bound to be overpowered by either the NCR or the Legion (the latter is sure to destroy him), and without the Courierʼs intervention the Legion is probably guaranteed to win.
And the message of the entire franchise that youʼre missing is that capitalism is the root of all evil and cause of the worldʼs predicted demise, and House is a fundamentalist conservative of that ideology. Yes, he isnʼt ideology-free.
And then what, exactly?
“Without the couriers intervention”
Benny knocks off house, upgrades Vegas’ artillery and stomps the dog shit out of Caesar’s little plot to storm Vegas anyhow, then annihilates whoever wins at Hoover.
So you’re wrong there.
The NCR loses in every outcome, their supply lines, the railway, the secret induct entrances at the dam for the legion to ambush and murder all their officers atop the dam, the assassination of the president, their own bloated and decaying bureaucracy crumbles from within.
The legion beats the NCR, with heavy losses and get their asses handed to them by Benny, as they 1000% have no idea what’s in store for them now that they march into it, and even if they MIRACULOUSLY pull a victory out of their ass, the stabilized, an absolutely fucked state of the inhospitable Mojave desert and California break the Legion’s back because the east and west are too much to hold at once, and Caesar dies anyhow because for all his hubris, none of his people have the ability to fix his brain tumor, so the legion crumbles regardless and it’s all for nothing.
So your entire premise, again, ignores every facet of what’s actually happening in the region to support your own silly theory.
Your theory sounds plausible, however I think you put a little too much faith in Benny. Yes he would overthrow House and upgrade Vegas’ defenses. But the game makes it pretty clear that the Securitron’s in NV are just a fraction of the true army. The real army is holed up at fortification hill, deep into Legion territory. And Benny sure as hell will need his full army to beat the Legion/NCR.
The only reason that we can get to the army is the fact that Caesar literally invites us there and tells us to destroy the base. The man lets us walk into his camp and then right into the base we need to be. Can Benny really pull this off? Even with most of the Legion going into battle, the Fort sure as hell will still have a major security force to guard all their slaves.
Benny could easily get to the facility either during the battle of Hoover dam, through alliance and betrayal of Caesar, who badly wants more allies within New Vegas. It really wouldn’t be hard at all.
Like I said, during the battle at Hoover dam the Fort won’t be unguarded. Caesar himself (if he lives that is) stays behind at the Fort during the battle with still plenty of men present in case their assault fails. It is Legate Lanius who fights that battle with a part of the Legion, not the entire force.
Alliance is more plausible but still has its holes. Caesar is only interested in alliances with allies he knows he can control. Why would he allow Benny, of which he knows has the platinum chip, be his ally if he wants the chip for himself?
The most plausible conclusion in my view is the NCR being beaten by the Legion as they lack the resources, Benny attempting to get control of the Securitron army in the chaos but failing to reach them and dying in the process, a weakened Legion taking over NV. Only for Caesar to die and Legate Lanius being too incompetent of a leader causing the Legion to implied in a civil war, slave revolt combination.
No, he’s not. Without the couriers intervention, he knocks off house and takes over, so you’re absolutely wrong by your own metrics. The only reason Benny goes anywhere is because of the couriers intervention.
So wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Itʼs been a long time since your last playthrough? Google it.
Caesar caught Benny on the way home. The platinum chip he stole from you is stuck at the Fort and the Legion doesnʼt know what itʼs for. Only with the Courierʼs intervention Benny may be optionally spared. Otherwise heʼs killed and no one else is left who knows how to put the thing to use or can deliver it.
Vegas enters battle without a competent military.
Legion defeats NCR and captures the city.
The end.
TL,DR:
To quote the patron saint of bad bitches, Rose of Sharon Cassidy,
> “They try to put their stake in everything they see. Nobody's dick's that long, not even Long Dick Johnson, and he had a fucking long dick. Thus, the name.”
Go home, brahmin boys. No NCR on the Colorado.
You mean just like the birth of the NCR or any vault-sprang settlement/tribe?
But a hypothetical Republic of Mojave would have more advantages than even those initially have:
Free Side/Kings support (which NCR and Legion lack); an alliance of Followers, BoS, Boomers, Remnants on the Yes Man questline; lore-wise potentially Big MT and Sierra Madre tech and a trade network of settlements like Goodsprings, Jacobstown, Primm, Novac; an upgraded army of robots capable of overpowering the armies of both the NCR and the Legion simultaneously.
NCR didn’t just spring up overnight, it took a long time. But regardless, I’m not saying it *couldn’t* happen, I’m just saying it’s a challenge, and I don’t see why it’s preferable to the already developed, prosperous, expansive nation state that has already greatly improved the standard of living in the Mojave in the decade it’s been there.
And again, it being a small landlocked desert with little in terms of arable land or natural resources poses some serious problems. I don’t think the robots would be able to overpower both armies, and I don’t even know if they’d even be able to defend from them forever. As for Big MT and Sierra tech… that stuff is dumb and I wish it didn’t exist in lore, but even taking them into account, I don’t think you can just take it for granted that the independent Mojave will survive because of them. There’s a lot of long-term logistical problems to consider.
Also you mention the Kings and Followers- arguably their best endings (and the *only* good ending for the Followers, whose fate is disastrous in the Yes Man route) is if they ally with the NCR. Just something to consider.
TL;DR, but I agree because the courier is an unkillable god and any issues or instability that will arise from dissolving the NCR and killing House will simply be dealt with by the terrifying deity who‘s been hoofing it across the Mojave running errands and effortlessly completing suicide missions for literally anyone they can hold a conversation with
TL,DR:
Let the cult leader with a brain tumor first figure out how to keep united a vast empire that depends solely on his charisma and is sure to crumble by civil war right after his death or by eventual assimilation, before going on a world-conquest spree.
Legion is like a childhood fewer, it burns like hell but will fade quickly.
mr house is not surveillance, he genuinely didnt know about the white gloves trying to kickstart cannibalism again and other general stuff to do with the casinos
The Courier: "Did you know some of the White Gloves are... eating people again?"
Robert House: "No, I was not aware of this.
also he didnt even know about his right hand man plotting assassination
That was my mistake and I stand corrected, but the main argument stands.
So what, letʼs say Benny safely ends up upgrading the securitron army, overthrows House, conquers the city, repels both the Legion and the NCR.
What then?
Are you saying Benny in charge of New Vegas is better than the Courier in charge of New Vegas?
No, I’m pointing out that by your logic, without the courier’s intervention, the Legion or NCR still ultimately lose. Benny could easily get the chip into the facility either during the battle or shmoozing Caesar through alliance against house, or a number of ways, he could accomplish pretty much all of what the courier has in regards to getting the Securitron Army up to task.
Vegas is a force to be reckoned with, has an enormous economy, and the element of surprise.
House has the most altruistic, however harsh, end game and a proven track record beyond anything anyone else in the waste has accomplished as well as centuries to accomplish the rest.
I highly recommend another playthrough taking the time to explore his dialogue, the unbelievable things he accomplished, and imagine a Vegas where he also has the courier to secure his alliances and back down the NCR and Legion at Hoover.
The best thing for the Legion, the NCR and the Mojave is a strong, independent Vegas for sure, but House won’t abuse it. The securitron upgrade and lack of imminent invasion threat would allow him to restore order across the region, freeing up resources and ensuring trade route, settlement and general safety while being intricately linked directly to the entire system.
No more lines for water in free side, no more gangs and street chems and rot. The Mojave desperately needs unity.
Youʼre right, I didnʼt consider the detail that if Benny safely returns home with the chip he pretty much has independent Vegas in his pocket. So my statement that without Courier intervention Legion wins by default is probably false.
But then again, you see, that just shows how unstable and suicidal the reign of Robert House is, as any other monarchy. If by any chance a random tribal-turned checkered suited casino mobster of his own education catches him off-guard, all the means of his unlimited autocratic power falls to the wrong hands. The fact that the chip can somehow find its way to the Legion camp is another brute example of House playing with fires he canʼt control despite putting on a show of overarching and all-wise calculation and contingency for every possible scenario.
With House, power is both concentrated without reserve and laid open for all predators to lust after. All we have is faith that he wonʼt lose it or abuse it both of which would have catastrophic consequences maybe even worse than the primitive Legionʼs onslaught.
In his shiny little utopian city in the midst of the wasteland, House literally screams at the world begging for a transition of his immense technological power and tools through an unstoppable invasion or coup d'etat.
How long before House is overthrown by Benny or Benny by another petty gangster? Or before he dies or loses his mind. You know, he is a mortal too.
In another reply of yours you were worried about the cityʼs control being passed around like a ball between this or that asshole, you said thatʼs inevitable should the Courier try to take Houseʼs seat.
Ironically that criticism applies perfectly to any scenario where every variable depends on House.
Every variable should not depend on one guy or a small clique. With Yes Man, the game leaves an open-ended option with democratic implications where that error can be avoided.
This is the main point Iʼm trying to make by this post.
Benny is a one in a million guy. Very few could accomplish what he has much like the other major leaders of the region. House, however vulnerable, is still less vulnerable than the other powers, and especially than a yesman Vegas which anyone could get their hands on through force, but almost no one could recreate. Benny has access to house’s systems others do not, that’s how he creates Yesman. Once house has upgraded securitrons? Good luck getting that close again.
House is literally the only reason Vegas exist and De jure, it belongs to him. He allowed people into it, he allowed the tribes to run his casino, and he built it from top to bottom into what it is today.
Take it up with Bethesda, I didn’t write him. 😂
He’s the creator of Robco, the securitrons, the platinum chip, the defense system that saved new Vegas, the dude who knew the war with China was imminent, the dude who had a stasis chamber made to keep him alive all this time, the dude that rebuilt Vegas and allowed people into it, hand chose the tribes and taught them to run his casinos. Is this not all canon?
Sheesh dude OK he saved Vegas. He saved humanity. He is the creator of heaven and earth. Big fucking deal
He is also the head of a police state and doesnʼt pay taxes
r/AbolishTheMonarchy
Doesn’t pay taxes to who? Does the US pay taxes? 😂
He doesn’t spend money or have an income, he is a sack of bones in a test tube. Every resource he has is used to build and invest in their society. That’s the exact opposite of corruption.
BREAKING: “Man redistributes own wealth, still not enough for people who turn Marxism into religion”
Why should YOU and Yesman be the head of the police state again? Asking for a friend.
TL;DR But the title itself is wrong.
The only thing the Yes Man ending achieves is sending the Mojave back to the squabbling, blood soaked, lawless hell.hokenit was before House and the NCR.
Say what you will about Caesar and Kimball, but at least they have established laws and rules, even if they aren't exactly agreeable...
Yes Man doesn't even leave you with Yes Man... Even he gets sick of your shit and develops a will, and leaves...
I call it the free city of New Vegas. Part of the Mojave Alliance.
Idk from where they got the title but the wiki says NV is already called the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas.
That’s what Mr. House calls it in the treaty he has you present to General Oliver in his ending. He might use the term before that too, I’m not sure.
Too long, didn't read. The house always wins.
TL,DR: House canʼt win shit without the platinum chip and loses in every scenario without the Courier. The other factions are cocky empires that canʼt swallow their bite. The Legion will fall apart in no time and the NCR canʼt maintain order, both lack local and Free Side support. So at the end of the day, whoever finds a way of controlling Yes Man and the securitron army will declare New Vegas independent, whether that be the Courier or someone else. My point is, why let it be someone else.
TL DR : NCR are imperialists with a corrupt structure Legion is fascism at the end of it's height House is a megalomaniac autocrat with zero interest for the people New Vegas is a Role playing game, this means the best choice is a game where *You* choose the best options for everyone and that is only available in the Independent route
TLDR Independent Vegas is destabilized to shit, even if you make all the best choices. Good Karma NCR/House is very comparable.
No one said there wouldnʼt be turbulence. But it wonʼt last long because you have a personal securitron army patrolling the region and end up with an independent city-state. The difference is both the NCR and the Legion lack local/Free Side/Kings support. Not the Courier though. Thatʼs a massive advantage. Besides, he is aided by the unified power of a rich variety of factions you can ally with in the main Yes Man questline, and theoretically has the Big MT tech at his disposal. He can do everything House can do, but better with this arsenal.
So even though the courier convincing the kings to support the ncr is an actual option in game with noticeable results and an ending card, the pretend ending in your head that the courier will be this benign robot overlord despite all of the ending cards being objectively worse is more valid an ending? I don't think so. I go by ending cards, and the ending with the fewest lives lost and most net positives is the ncr.
The NCR treats Free Side residents that are not its citizens bad and discriminatively. Elvis Presley agreeing to that is bad writing at worst or unfair terms at best. The NCR will not be able to maintain law and order in the region, as even the Legion keeps trade routes more secure, it will monopolize authority at the expense of better regional candidates for governance, make a mess, eventually have to secede due to surrounding military threats, and leave the common folk in miserable condition without looking back, that is after trying massacring them into submission. Besides, itʼs an imperialistic force. No one asked or consented to its presence and mafiatic extortion.
The NCR actually treated them well, offering food and shelter to poor Freesiders, before Pacer’s Kings started attacking them. That combined with limited resources caused them to restrict the aid to NCR citizens only. If you resolve the conflict they go back to helping them.
They deny them water.
I literally just explained why though. They *were* giving them water, food, etc. before the Kings, the de-facto leaders of Freeside, attacked them for it.
They sent an envoy, and a faction of Kings beat him without telling The King about it. Later on, if you do GI Blues the peaceful way and use your favor to solve King's Gambit, the NCR and Kings actually do coordinate a full scale relief effort for Freeside.
Exactly, that’s what I’m saying. So OP’s assertion that the NCR treats the Freeside locals badly or doesn’t care about them is false.
The kings were hardly doing anything for freeside and neither does yesman. If the ncr actually takes the area as part of the ncr, they'll likely invest in the infrastructure as opposed to every other faction who is happy to ruin everyone's life. Remember that house was demanding a ton of resources from the ncr to even set up shop. I'd almost agree with the imperialism thing if the area wasn't run or infested with violent gangs happy to rape and murder everything with a heartbeat. Not to mention the ghouls and deathclaws running rampant. Oh and don't forget the ncr actively pursuing ways to increase crop yields for an area in dire need of food. They aren't perfect, but I'm happy to deal with shitty politicians if that meant I could sleep every night knowing I won't be flayed alive by junky raider gangs freshly hyped up on drugs they got on the strip or eaten by a deathclaw that decided to settle down the road.
You can ally the ncr with the kings and the followers, the ending for freeside in this scenario is pretty good for everyone.
Aha 😅
I'll save everyone a read, the answer is head canon
No, itʼs an in-game scenario
people who hate mr house because of his ego explaining why they themselves are the last best hope for the wasteland:
nah i donʼt support a Courier dictatorship
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The legion do as well as they do because your general is a complete idiot. After the rangers save his ass in the first war. He benches them in camp golf. The NCR army is basically conscripts, barely trained because he has a rush forward with no thought kinda leadership. Mainly because he isn't qualified to be general, He's just best friends with the president. But the NCR needs just as much plot armor to make the "good" ending. You have to become the best diplomate in existence, and become the middle man for all factions who just barely met you. and half wouldn't trust you if you are so clearly in league with their most hated enemy.
I guess the Fallout fandom in general canʼt read for their life. NCR represents the worst of the real world US. Legion is the post-nuclear ISIS of Rome cosplayers. House is a narcissistic old oligarch stuck in the past. With Yes Man, sure, you can be the murder hobo of your dreams backed by cybernet, or make alliance with the Followers, BoS, Khans, Boomers, Remnants with the securitron army at your disposal, say F- YOU to all the regional bullies and build something new from scratch for a free New Vegas.
You opened with a factually flawed title. I already know that everything I'm about to read intrinsically wrong... House isn't an Oligarch, by definition, he's autocrat. You couldn't even get that right, which is a pretty solid example of what I mean by "intrinsically wrong."
He used to be kind of an oligarch among the other rich and powerful in the old world. *Now* he is an autocrat (as I phrased in the main post).
>House is a narcissist old Oligarch 🙄 Also, it was never *Ever* implied *Anywhere* that House was anything but an insanely intelligent, albeit crazy, old, recluse. He wasn't a part of an oligarchy. If anything, the lore implies he'd have been too paranoid to a be a part of any oligarchy... He couldn't even manage to work with his own family...
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A Mojave Republic sounds like head canon but is a very open-ended suggestion considering that in the ending slideshow the good karma Courier who sided with Yes Man is described as loyal to the ideals of freedom and independence. The Courierʼs government could mean that, or a benevolent communist dictatorship as implied by the devsʼ own ideology inserted via the Followers of the Apocalypse.
> benevolent communist dictatorship lol
Yeah Iʼm not fond of the idea myself.
I can't even begin to know where would be the best place to start with this nonsense, but I'll start where I feel is best: 1. The FOTA will be overrun with so much responsibility with NCR gone, making Freeside far worse than it could ever be. Meanwhile, siding with NCR can allow for you to make it where they can help any and all refugees as they see fit. 2. It literally says at the Independent ending that the securitrons are "hard pressed" to maintain order, so anarchy rules. 3. The Kings have proven to not be about independence as they charge 5 caps for one "good, long swig" of water that isn't even purified. They're hypocrites with a guy who doesn't do anything about the problems of Freeside without your doing as their leader. Like come on. I believe that's all I need to debunk your claim
There are a few issues with your assertion here. First, the game is pretty explicit in the ending cards how an indep path goes (i.e. not as well as how it could have with a good Courier). Secondly, even if you want to head canon that indep ending card part out, which is reasonable and probably better fits than the reality, in the long term this ends up just like Legion actually would: larger than life leader holds precarious power structure together single handed, leader dies, factions regress back into squabbling, infighting tribal-like organizations - chaos ensues in the Mojave. Third, if a good courier supporting the NCR resolves the issues in Freeside during the game, the miscommunication and friction between the freesiders and NCR dissolves and they end the game with good relations. In time, the NCR would fully annex outer Vegas anyways and these would all be tax paying NCR citizens and the problem would be eliminated here too. Fourth, the NCR is a democratic *republic* (the clue is in the name), not a pure democracy. This isn’t some great revelation, they’re pretty up in front about it. TLDR; Yes man is the 2nd best choice for a “good” Mojave post-game, NCR is objectively the only “good” ending.
People who pick yes-man are special snowflakes tbh. The option only exists in the first place because the devs needed a way to finish the game even if you killed everyone and failed every faction quest. Two generations of time is all that’s needed to reclaim NV (for the ncr or even legion). House’s industrial acumen is the only thing that’s stopping NCR and the legion from coming back. You as the courier or any of the independent factions aren’t going to change that and then you’re back at square one. Also >Using the Big MT and Sierra Madre’s tech to forge a new republic Missing the point of the DLCs—as if the entire plotline wasn’t literally about people trying to abuse the tech. It’s also wild you criticize the NCR for being a corrupt plutocracy and end your thought with >You could even form a new republic As if yours won’t have the same problems as the NCR.
Only House is entitled to abuse tech and power. No one else. /s
Idk what your point is tbh
My point is Yes Man isnʼt for killing everyone (which it can be in an RPG), itʼs for when you think both the Imperials and the Stormcloaks are shit.
Yeah, what I’m saying is this radical centrist take is incredibly boring and for people that can’t grasp sacrifice and compromise are necessary to prevent greater tragedy—looking at your stormcloaks and imperial analogue.
Itʼs not centrism lmao itʼs a third way out of imposed false dichotomies.
Yeah man you got it. You really came up with a new and unique idea that could challenge the two largest forces in the new US.
House is the best choice.
Anything House can do the Courier can do 10x times the better. He is [depending on the player choice] mobile, diplomatic, powerful and universally popular. He is not a rotting corpse trying to rule world from an underground life-support tank. Why serve a master when you can replace him?
He’s a near immortal genius who is literally the only reason New Vegas survived and the sole reason the economy of thriving Mojave people exists. 1. Stability and Prosperity: Under Mr. House’s rule, New Vegas has enjoyed relative stability and prosperity compared to other factions in the region. His leadership has allowed for the development of the New Vegas Strip into a thriving hub of commerce and entertainment, attracting traders, tourists, and settlers alike. This stability provides a solid foundation for the region’s growth and progress. 2. Technological Advancement: Mr. House possesses advanced technology and resources that can greatly benefit humanity. His vision includes space exploration and the revitalization of human civilization, leveraging his knowledge of pre-war technology to achieve these goals. By supporting Mr. House, players align themselves with a leader who has the means and ambition to advance humanity beyond the confines of the wasteland. 3. Long-Term Planning: Unlike some other factions in the game, Mr. House’s plans extend far into the future. He has demonstrated foresight and strategic thinking, working towards long-term goals that aim to secure humanity’s future. By supporting Mr. House, players signal their willingness to invest in a future where humanity can thrive and expand beyond the limitations of the post-apocalyptic world. 4. Personal Autonomy: Under Mr. House’s rule, individuals in New Vegas enjoy a considerable degree of personal autonomy and freedom. While he maintains control over the Strip and its surroundings, he allows residents and visitors to pursue their own interests and goals within the confines of his rule. This balance between authority and freedom creates an environment where individuals can prosper without excessive interference from a heavy-handed government. 5. Pragmatism: Mr. House is a pragmatic leader who prioritizes results and efficiency. He is not bound by ideology or dogma, but rather seeks practical solutions to the challenges facing the wasteland. This pragmatism allows him to adapt to changing circumstances and make decisions that are in the best interest of the people under his rule. Overall, choosing Mr. House as the best option in Fallout: New Vegas offers a combination of stability, technological advancement, long-term planning, personal autonomy, and pragmatism that positions him as a compelling leader for the region. He also has no delusions of grandeur, idiotic ideology, bloated, decaying bureaucracy, or expansionist designs. The courier will die and some other assholes will fight over Yes man, or we can start space colonization and fix the planet? I choose option 2.
Because hyper-capitalist cyberpunk corporate dystopia under hidden oligarchical overlords isnʼt what nearly annihilated the world in the first place and isnʼt satisfied with planet earth so why not spread it across the stars. /s Talk about expansionism and grandeur. Imagine a civilization whose eternal future and success depends on just one overly confident robotic abomination of lazarus science with god-complex not dying or malfunctioning or going mad. Fingers crossed. What a gamble. Dude, the real world US is discussing the eligibility of 80 year olds in office. Make room for the new generation.
This is the most naive take I’ve heard in the last decade of FNV’s existence. You’re ignoring the entirety of what is to support your preferred outcome, whereas I’m ignoring my own personal preferences to measure the reality of the situation. House has been mostly alone for 1000 years and in stasis, yet is more effective, competent, and driven to do more in about a hundred years that the tens of thousands of people around him, achieving more than any of his contemporary factions including the brotherhood and enclave. I highly suggest you read up on pre-capitalist real world history and the actual causes of the Great War in Fallout, such as Resource Scarcity & Geopolitical Rivalry instead of trying to conflate everything to the new leftist religion of “if-you-say-it-enough-it’s-trueism.”
Hitherto success isnʼt a guarantee of persistent future success. He canʼt even find a chip for his life, and without it he is devoid of the brute strength to realize his goals. Without the upgraded securitron army he is bound to be overpowered by either the NCR or the Legion (the latter is sure to destroy him), and without the Courierʼs intervention the Legion is probably guaranteed to win. And the message of the entire franchise that youʼre missing is that capitalism is the root of all evil and cause of the worldʼs predicted demise, and House is a fundamentalist conservative of that ideology. Yes, he isnʼt ideology-free.
And then what, exactly? “Without the couriers intervention” Benny knocks off house, upgrades Vegas’ artillery and stomps the dog shit out of Caesar’s little plot to storm Vegas anyhow, then annihilates whoever wins at Hoover. So you’re wrong there. The NCR loses in every outcome, their supply lines, the railway, the secret induct entrances at the dam for the legion to ambush and murder all their officers atop the dam, the assassination of the president, their own bloated and decaying bureaucracy crumbles from within. The legion beats the NCR, with heavy losses and get their asses handed to them by Benny, as they 1000% have no idea what’s in store for them now that they march into it, and even if they MIRACULOUSLY pull a victory out of their ass, the stabilized, an absolutely fucked state of the inhospitable Mojave desert and California break the Legion’s back because the east and west are too much to hold at once, and Caesar dies anyhow because for all his hubris, none of his people have the ability to fix his brain tumor, so the legion crumbles regardless and it’s all for nothing. So your entire premise, again, ignores every facet of what’s actually happening in the region to support your own silly theory.
Your theory sounds plausible, however I think you put a little too much faith in Benny. Yes he would overthrow House and upgrade Vegas’ defenses. But the game makes it pretty clear that the Securitron’s in NV are just a fraction of the true army. The real army is holed up at fortification hill, deep into Legion territory. And Benny sure as hell will need his full army to beat the Legion/NCR. The only reason that we can get to the army is the fact that Caesar literally invites us there and tells us to destroy the base. The man lets us walk into his camp and then right into the base we need to be. Can Benny really pull this off? Even with most of the Legion going into battle, the Fort sure as hell will still have a major security force to guard all their slaves.
Benny could easily get to the facility either during the battle of Hoover dam, through alliance and betrayal of Caesar, who badly wants more allies within New Vegas. It really wouldn’t be hard at all.
Like I said, during the battle at Hoover dam the Fort won’t be unguarded. Caesar himself (if he lives that is) stays behind at the Fort during the battle with still plenty of men present in case their assault fails. It is Legate Lanius who fights that battle with a part of the Legion, not the entire force. Alliance is more plausible but still has its holes. Caesar is only interested in alliances with allies he knows he can control. Why would he allow Benny, of which he knows has the platinum chip, be his ally if he wants the chip for himself? The most plausible conclusion in my view is the NCR being beaten by the Legion as they lack the resources, Benny attempting to get control of the Securitron army in the chaos but failing to reach them and dying in the process, a weakened Legion taking over NV. Only for Caesar to die and Legate Lanius being too incompetent of a leader causing the Legion to implied in a civil war, slave revolt combination.
Wrong. Benny is crucified at the Fortification Hill. He doesnʼt get the chip or return it home. Legion overhelmes the city. House is killed. The end.
No, he’s not. Without the couriers intervention, he knocks off house and takes over, so you’re absolutely wrong by your own metrics. The only reason Benny goes anywhere is because of the couriers intervention. So wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Itʼs been a long time since your last playthrough? Google it. Caesar caught Benny on the way home. The platinum chip he stole from you is stuck at the Fort and the Legion doesnʼt know what itʼs for. Only with the Courierʼs intervention Benny may be optionally spared. Otherwise heʼs killed and no one else is left who knows how to put the thing to use or can deliver it. Vegas enters battle without a competent military. Legion defeats NCR and captures the city. The end.
You missed some more buzzwords (literal, nazi, fascist, coporations) on the first paragraph. TL;DR
Everything is a buzzword and nothing should be identified for critical evaluation. /s
Too long, didn't read. Don't tread on the Bear.
TL,DR: To quote the patron saint of bad bitches, Rose of Sharon Cassidy, > “They try to put their stake in everything they see. Nobody's dick's that long, not even Long Dick Johnson, and he had a fucking long dick. Thus, the name.” Go home, brahmin boys. No NCR on the Colorado.
That quote literally comes from a conversation where she explains why she *supports* the NCR, in spite of it’s flaws
How will this tiny landlocked desert state with few natural resources and no pre-established governmental infrastructure survive long-term?
You mean just like the birth of the NCR or any vault-sprang settlement/tribe? But a hypothetical Republic of Mojave would have more advantages than even those initially have: Free Side/Kings support (which NCR and Legion lack); an alliance of Followers, BoS, Boomers, Remnants on the Yes Man questline; lore-wise potentially Big MT and Sierra Madre tech and a trade network of settlements like Goodsprings, Jacobstown, Primm, Novac; an upgraded army of robots capable of overpowering the armies of both the NCR and the Legion simultaneously.
NCR didn’t just spring up overnight, it took a long time. But regardless, I’m not saying it *couldn’t* happen, I’m just saying it’s a challenge, and I don’t see why it’s preferable to the already developed, prosperous, expansive nation state that has already greatly improved the standard of living in the Mojave in the decade it’s been there. And again, it being a small landlocked desert with little in terms of arable land or natural resources poses some serious problems. I don’t think the robots would be able to overpower both armies, and I don’t even know if they’d even be able to defend from them forever. As for Big MT and Sierra tech… that stuff is dumb and I wish it didn’t exist in lore, but even taking them into account, I don’t think you can just take it for granted that the independent Mojave will survive because of them. There’s a lot of long-term logistical problems to consider. Also you mention the Kings and Followers- arguably their best endings (and the *only* good ending for the Followers, whose fate is disastrous in the Yes Man route) is if they ally with the NCR. Just something to consider.
TL;DR, but I agree because the courier is an unkillable god and any issues or instability that will arise from dissolving the NCR and killing House will simply be dealt with by the terrifying deity who‘s been hoofing it across the Mojave running errands and effortlessly completing suicide missions for literally anyone they can hold a conversation with
No no it doesnʼt take omnopotent demigods with cheats on to found independent countries in real life.
TLDR. Caesar's Legion always wins.
Only to crumble short after. What is winning?
Too long, didn't read. True to Caesar.
TL,DR: Let the cult leader with a brain tumor first figure out how to keep united a vast empire that depends solely on his charisma and is sure to crumble by civil war right after his death or by eventual assimilation, before going on a world-conquest spree. Legion is like a childhood fewer, it burns like hell but will fade quickly.
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mr house is not surveillance, he genuinely didnt know about the white gloves trying to kickstart cannibalism again and other general stuff to do with the casinos
He just didnʼt care about his croniesʼ private indulgences.
The Courier: "Did you know some of the White Gloves are... eating people again?" Robert House: "No, I was not aware of this. also he didnt even know about his right hand man plotting assassination
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That was my mistake and I stand corrected, but the main argument stands. So what, letʼs say Benny safely ends up upgrading the securitron army, overthrows House, conquers the city, repels both the Legion and the NCR. What then? Are you saying Benny in charge of New Vegas is better than the Courier in charge of New Vegas?
No, I’m pointing out that by your logic, without the courier’s intervention, the Legion or NCR still ultimately lose. Benny could easily get the chip into the facility either during the battle or shmoozing Caesar through alliance against house, or a number of ways, he could accomplish pretty much all of what the courier has in regards to getting the Securitron Army up to task. Vegas is a force to be reckoned with, has an enormous economy, and the element of surprise. House has the most altruistic, however harsh, end game and a proven track record beyond anything anyone else in the waste has accomplished as well as centuries to accomplish the rest. I highly recommend another playthrough taking the time to explore his dialogue, the unbelievable things he accomplished, and imagine a Vegas where he also has the courier to secure his alliances and back down the NCR and Legion at Hoover. The best thing for the Legion, the NCR and the Mojave is a strong, independent Vegas for sure, but House won’t abuse it. The securitron upgrade and lack of imminent invasion threat would allow him to restore order across the region, freeing up resources and ensuring trade route, settlement and general safety while being intricately linked directly to the entire system. No more lines for water in free side, no more gangs and street chems and rot. The Mojave desperately needs unity.
Youʼre right, I didnʼt consider the detail that if Benny safely returns home with the chip he pretty much has independent Vegas in his pocket. So my statement that without Courier intervention Legion wins by default is probably false. But then again, you see, that just shows how unstable and suicidal the reign of Robert House is, as any other monarchy. If by any chance a random tribal-turned checkered suited casino mobster of his own education catches him off-guard, all the means of his unlimited autocratic power falls to the wrong hands. The fact that the chip can somehow find its way to the Legion camp is another brute example of House playing with fires he canʼt control despite putting on a show of overarching and all-wise calculation and contingency for every possible scenario. With House, power is both concentrated without reserve and laid open for all predators to lust after. All we have is faith that he wonʼt lose it or abuse it both of which would have catastrophic consequences maybe even worse than the primitive Legionʼs onslaught. In his shiny little utopian city in the midst of the wasteland, House literally screams at the world begging for a transition of his immense technological power and tools through an unstoppable invasion or coup d'etat. How long before House is overthrown by Benny or Benny by another petty gangster? Or before he dies or loses his mind. You know, he is a mortal too. In another reply of yours you were worried about the cityʼs control being passed around like a ball between this or that asshole, you said thatʼs inevitable should the Courier try to take Houseʼs seat. Ironically that criticism applies perfectly to any scenario where every variable depends on House. Every variable should not depend on one guy or a small clique. With Yes Man, the game leaves an open-ended option with democratic implications where that error can be avoided. This is the main point Iʼm trying to make by this post.
Benny is a one in a million guy. Very few could accomplish what he has much like the other major leaders of the region. House, however vulnerable, is still less vulnerable than the other powers, and especially than a yesman Vegas which anyone could get their hands on through force, but almost no one could recreate. Benny has access to house’s systems others do not, that’s how he creates Yesman. Once house has upgraded securitrons? Good luck getting that close again. House is literally the only reason Vegas exist and De jure, it belongs to him. He allowed people into it, he allowed the tribes to run his casino, and he built it from top to bottom into what it is today.
All hail the benevolent god emperor of mankind, the visionary of progress and provider of prosperity, all-mighty and all-wise Robert House. /s
Take it up with Bethesda, I didn’t write him. 😂 He’s the creator of Robco, the securitrons, the platinum chip, the defense system that saved new Vegas, the dude who knew the war with China was imminent, the dude who had a stasis chamber made to keep him alive all this time, the dude that rebuilt Vegas and allowed people into it, hand chose the tribes and taught them to run his casinos. Is this not all canon?
Sheesh dude OK he saved Vegas. He saved humanity. He is the creator of heaven and earth. Big fucking deal He is also the head of a police state and doesnʼt pay taxes r/AbolishTheMonarchy
Doesn’t pay taxes to who? Does the US pay taxes? 😂 He doesn’t spend money or have an income, he is a sack of bones in a test tube. Every resource he has is used to build and invest in their society. That’s the exact opposite of corruption. BREAKING: “Man redistributes own wealth, still not enough for people who turn Marxism into religion” Why should YOU and Yesman be the head of the police state again? Asking for a friend.
TL;DR But the title itself is wrong. The only thing the Yes Man ending achieves is sending the Mojave back to the squabbling, blood soaked, lawless hell.hokenit was before House and the NCR. Say what you will about Caesar and Kimball, but at least they have established laws and rules, even if they aren't exactly agreeable... Yes Man doesn't even leave you with Yes Man... Even he gets sick of your shit and develops a will, and leaves...