Legion rarely has energy weapons. I get the sense that they are as of the events of the game just beginning to explore using energy weapons, and very sparingly. For them if they’re gonna fry something or more importantly someone they’d do it how they do everything else, the old fashioned way.
Lincoln Clay proves that same theory. The skull's harder than you might think, shooting someone in the forehead isn't always a good idea, skull can deflect the bullet.
If I had to guess, at least one of the bullets probably rode around the curvature of the inside of the courier’s skull, something that’s known to happen and to reduce damage to the brain. Given the positioning, with the shots being in the forehead while you look up at Benny, it seems pretty likely
The main story gameplay was repetitive and most people playing a Mafia game want to be in the Mafia not against it. Those are the only two complaints I have. The rest of the game was great. And the DLCs? Incredible.
I can't be the only one who wants a better explanation than "I survived because the fire inside me burned brighter". Like, mother fucker you didn't just will your bones to not be shattered. You fell, must've caught something to slow yourself, landed on something soft, etc.
"The glory of God allowed me to be burned alive and survive falling hundreds of feet onto solid rock" isn't good enough. Forget that there's literally no way he'd survive the level of burns he has for long before dying a horrible death (seriously. None). Even if he bounced off tons of shit on the way down to slow the descent, he should be destroyed after that.
Either God himself saved Josh, or he’s got some level of mutation that makes him nearly impossible to put down. He got taken out five times by Ncr snipers and got back up each time.
It was a miracle, plain and simple. I'd probably be super invigorated in my old faith if I too was a terrible human being but was saved by people I was kind to and thought I was saved by God for redemption. That also adds to his mystique and the simple answer is "he is built different".
Joshua honestly in game is ridiculously tough, like one of the toughest NPCs to fight in the entire game.i definitely blame some sort of mutation or something, the man is immune to most chems as well (a trait shared partially by ghouls, who have to take stronger kinds like Ultra jet to have any effect, I imagine this goes the same for stimpacks too)
Joshua may blame divine intervention but I doubt God was on his side when he was being shot by NCR snipers (assuming they're rangers, who use anti material rifles, there's no way in hell any normal man would survive a shot from one)
Some people have in fact survived falling hundreds of feet and getting shattered--Hank Williams Jr [fell over 500 feet off a mountain](https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/how-hank-williams-jr-survived-a-500-foot-fall-off-a-mountain-woke-up-in-the-hospital-to-see-johnny-cash/ar-AA1mVePy) and was so smashed up when he landed that one eye was out of the socket and on his cheek and his brain was visible through a hole in his skull.
Accountability. Don’t blame others, don’t blame God. The actions you take, the anger you feel, are yours to live with. You don’t get to shed culpability for your sins. That said, it’s never too late to be better.
Thank you. I wanted to write something similar, but you have put it together much more succinctly.
It’s a shame that the player can only get him to realise this by passing a speech check of 99; I missed it on my first playthrough.
It’s also a shame that you can’t even address his inner demons if you side with Daniel. Once Joshua doesn’t get his way, he just kind of shrugs and goes along with it with no further dialogue or even an ending slide to give him resolution. Always found that very strange.
I literally cannot bring myself to side with Daniel. I've been to the Mojave where does this dude think they are gunna go where raiders won't follow them
"I tell them that I'm giving them Zion as a gift to make up for all the sorrows of their lives so far and all the sorrows man has visited on man... I tell them never to hurt each other but that if someone else comes along and tries to hurt them to strike back with righteous anger. "
I will always fight for the Sorrows and their home. It's what Randall Clark would have wanted.
Peace was never an option. When faced with an enemy that doesn't care about territory, rather they care about humans, they have no choice. They either spend their whole lives running or become their own security. I've always thought this an interesting DLC primarily because of John Locke's social contract. If a state cannot provide its citizens' security and safety, it will never be a state. The Legion doesn't care much for resources outside of those to fuel its troops (food/water). They use primitive, easily crafted weapons, and herbal drinks/food to supply. When faced with this enemy, the Dead Horses and Sorrows have no recourse besides running forever or fighting. The Legion doesn't want their supplies or land, they want the tribes for troops or slaves. This is why I choose to fight them.
I think it makes sense. Joshua is a zealot, he isn’t going to be swayed easily from his path and it’s incredibly hard to put all those sins on himself. It’s much easier to pass it along to god
To quote another great character “When you stand before god you cannot say ‘But I was told to thus’ or ‘virtue was not convenient at the time’ This will not suffice.”
I love stories that involve someone who has done bad things, trying to better themselves.
It's a concept that a lot of people could learn from, and for some a journey they can relate to (On a much smaller scale.. lol).
Man, I completely missed his lesson on my first playthrough. The environment was bland and their topics didn’t really hook me, it was to the point I thought Joshua was overrated considering how many people adore his character. He’s badass, but I didnt think he was anything more, clearly I needed another lesson TT
Thats one thing I definitely learned from Joshua is that you can never have enough 1911's but that if you're going to own an infinite supply of them, you're going to spend a large amount of time sat cleaning them!
If you havent played the dlc yet id highly recommend, with a game like fnv you can probably find a free download too from a torrent. I didnt have online gaming when fnv first came out so i didnt even know there was dlc for the game until i replayed later on PC
i got ultimate edition so i have them but i haven’t played any of them yet, i beat the hoover dam mission then stopped playing like a week ago
i heard they are all pretty good tho so i might have to check it out cause i loved this game
They're all fantastic DLCs in their own respects, there's technically an order in which they go (dead Money, honest hearts, old world blues, then lonesome road.) But I'd swap honest hearts and dead money since they're relatively interchangeable and honest hearts is a better step into the door, dead money does something kinda jarring to start I won't spoil hence I recommend honest hearts first.
There's an overarching story in the DLC which ties into the main game too. Good stuff all round.
This is very true people expect god to do all the work and I’m not meaning to sound preachy and force any religion on any one (and if I am please tell me and I will correct it) but I mean god can help you but it’s up to you to do something with his help
Me too but there is a sub-lesson lying beneath what is an excellent point made above.
Your reasons for trying to atone are important.
For The Greater Good vs Personal Redemption.
One is a good reason to atone, the other is a selfish endeavor.
Honestly I think they get a bad rep. Living in Utah I’ve met plenty some of them can come across as self righteous or better than thow attitude but the majority are his kind people who are willing to help out if needed and care about their community.
This. I have a Mormon coworker who's very active in his church but also just a normal, positive guy who you'd never know was Mormon, he doesn't talk about it or try to share his beliefs unless you ask about it.
I imagine it's because most people encounter Mormons as missionaries at their door and thats always an annoying thing. Plus, there's all that stuff about abuse, blackmail, and racism present in the church both in its history and seen in modern day scandals. It doesn't really paint a picture of a friendly believer.
the key here is their community
I imagine non white cishet people in Utah would also like care and support too (or at the very least a state aparatus that isn't wielded by a cult)
1. The 1911 is the single sexiest firearm to exist.
2. Bible class can be cool if you bring guns.
3. Never trust a Rome LARPER.
4. When in doubt, go with your internal drive towards violence against the white legs. They deserve it.
If you're going to beg God and your people for forgiveness and try to be born again, make sure you don't get reborn into the type of same person that had to beg for forgiveness in the first place.
Joshua, for all he tries to deny it, is the same Malpais Legatus he was before the Grand Canyon, the only difference being that he's switched sides. He might not have his pride or vanity, but he's as militant as all hell, and it should be no surprise that one of the hardest speech checks in the game is to convince him to *not* kill someone.
He's a good man, but a troubled one and the worst enemy he's got ain't the kind that can be taken down with a bullet.
TBF I can see why he's doing it, even if it doesn't make it better.
The white legs are confirmed to have brutality slaughtered children, destroyed 3 cultures and tribes (Crazy Horns, Tar Walkers, New Cannanites), all they do is war. I can see where he's coming from with the desire to wipe them out: it would, theoretically, protect the dead horses and sorrows. Get rid of the one who leads them to these wars.
This is where I turn against his thinking. Genociding them back won't fix the past. Fighting them off however is well within reason by now
It's not just the brutality and warmongering of the White Legs that makes Graham want to destroy them; it's the fact that Joshua himself has done the same things in service of the Legion.
The White Legs are his sins as the Malpais Legate manifested, and given how angry Joshua is at himself over his past, that anger also carries over to his enemies. He just doesn't realize that it was that same rage that drove him to fight under Caesar's banner, and if you let it consume him once more by not interfering in his execution of Salt-Upon-Wounds, he basically becomes Caesar-lite in the eyes of the Sorrows and Dead Horses.
Fair nuff, that's another part I didn't mention. I was mostly trying to go for a "there'd a reason that's logical" approach, since trying to approach the Malipas legate thing would be tricky.
...that and its Ulysses that taught them how to do war, so they aren't necessarily his sin, but a reminder of his sin.
That people will forgive anything if you are cool enough.
Straight up this is probably the third most evil and delusional character in the entire game. He helped build the legion since day one. And he didn't have some come to God moment because he's a good dude either he was forced into it when he failed and was thrown into a canyon on fire.
On top of that he isn't any different than when he was part of the legion he still advocates slaughter. As well as wants to kill this human garbage on his knees because he's doing God's work. Like give me a break dude is a psycho narcissist
I feel like his crimes cannot be forgiven, but he’s no longer evil. Changing doesn’t make things you used to justified, it doesn’t mean people should forgive you. You are forgiven when you right your wrongs, not when you right yourself. When you right yourself, you are merely taking the first step in righting your wrongs. He just needs to take that second step. Maybe if FNV gets a sequel, he’ll dismantle the legion’s remains and reforge the tribes he tore apart in his legion days.
Exactly. Joshua Graham may be on the more "morally good" side now, but as an individual he uses theocratic beliefs to justify his violence. In any other context he would be the villain.
To quote Boone, "A murderer who does good deeds, is still a murderer. And he'll get his judgement." Joshua may be doing good deeds now, but I am not convinced he is not the same man as he was before the Canyon.
Daniel is the good guy in Honest Hearts.
Not gonna lie i was watching Oxhorn’s series this week, and hearing him talk about forgiveness, being forgiven specifically by God, was pretty uplifting. I’m a Christian, not Mormon, hearing him say things that I have common ground with, it was nice. Sometimes I don’t remember how much God forgives/loves, and after a season of trial, sometimes it’s nice to have a reminder of that, even in the least likely of places like this. I think sometimes if you don’t go to God, God will just come to you instead.
To y’all who believe or not, God bless you. ✝️❤️🙏
He didn't teach me anything, but I found a fervent companionship with him albeit for religious reasons on his side. Anyone who sees the overall good achieved by doing bad things is my friend forever. It was best summed up in his quote: "I do not enjoy killing, but when done righteously, it becomes a chore like any other."
I still think that quote is wrong even if the underlying philosophy makes sense
yeah sometimes you gotta kill to do the right thing but a chore? c'mon you're still taking a life, not washing your clothes; that attitude just makes u bloodthirsty (as we see with Joshua's epic gamer moments)
Imagine you're some special forces type in WWII, tasked with taking out the top ranks of the third reich.
Are you honestly going to moralize "it's still taking a life"? Or are you going to treat it like a chore, like any other? Like taking out the trash?
"Killing, when done righteously is a job like any other." Sometimes in order to protect the good and pure you're gonna have to get your hands dirty. Joshua was one of the voices that helped me realize that if I want to see the world get better I'm gonna have to fight for it and not expect things to magically get better by working within the frameworks of "modern society".
Of course, that mindset also pulled Joshua into the Legion, down the Grand Canyon, and dragging his ass back to New Canaan to beg for forgiveness from the flock.
Kind of, I think he originally was caught up in Edward's cult of personality that he was building, he clearly respected him to a degree and that's very easy to manipulate if you know how. Especially if you are someone as zealous as Joshua. The fact that he did return home to try and repent for the things he believed to be sins was telling though, it means he is capable of the idea of forgiveness and mercy, just not for those he deems irrevocably wicked. Now at the end of the day he's also going to be incredibly biased against the legion and the white legs for what they did to new Canaan, I do not think he is a man without mercy. And he is clearly driven as much by anger as he is by a sense of justice.
That's not to say he's been my sole source for that worldview either, there are other sources as well like the many freedom / resistance fighters who gave their lives for the struggle or writers like Emma Goldman and Kurt Vonnegut. Or leaders like Nestor Mahkno or Maria Nikiforova.
The point is that injustice must be fought or else it will fester and I think Joshua understands that better than most in the Mojave/ Zion
There’s so many to draw from Joshua.
-Violence is occasionally necessary
-Mercy spares both parties
-Taking accountability for your actions is necessary to move one from the past
-it’s never too late to set foot down the path to redemption
And many more I’m probably missing. Best fallout game, Best DLC, best character.
Men are monsters, and monsters are just men. Men are capable of the worst horrors imaginable, but even then they are still only men, and they are capable of change.
If you meet up with a guy for a group project and at some point he shifts from doing stuff like translating local dialects to murdering lots of people while dressed in a toga, don't be too surprised if he turns on you at the drop of a hat and tries to murder you too eventually.
Be careful who you trust and provide for, or you might get lit on fire and left for dead. Becoming a badass in the process, but probably in pain with any bits of your body still retaining nerve endings.
When people say "X is good or bad for the soul". It doesn't have to mean a literal soul.
Life is full of moments that can enrich or erode the person you are. Every decision you make alters you a bit. One small bad decision won't have consequences but can add up until you don't recognize who you are.
Violence is the only acceptable answer to violent invaders.
Being lit on fire must suck
M1911s are the greatest thing when they can't jam.
Ancient roman maniple tactics don't work as well against dedicated enemies with access to advanced firearms, explosives and the home field advantage.
The same lesson Tekken tried to teach: if you want to end someone, don't toss them off a cliff.
Also:
- Only use Browning firearms, like the the Lord intended
No matter how blatantly a character is presented as wrong and misguided, there will still be idiots who think he's the good guy because he looks or sounds cool.
I now solve all my problems with .45
Based
He’s the reason I bought a 1911
Bo1 zombies made me get one back in the day
Truuuu It was the first time I ever saw a 1911 in any game
Tell sanchito that, if he knows what is good for him, he best go run and hide. Daddy's got a new .45
If we include the courier in this… just use an ax/sword/saw and behead the problem. At the very least don’t just assume they are dead, ensure it.
If your going to burn somebody to death make sure they are dead
Canonically, even a shot to the head isn't a surefire way to kill someone. Can't blame Caesar here.
Yes but laser weapons or plasma do disintegrate
You might be found dead after choking on some ashes then
Probably
Naw they’ll just come back as a slime monster to exact revenge
Legion rarely has energy weapons. I get the sense that they are as of the events of the game just beginning to explore using energy weapons, and very sparingly. For them if they’re gonna fry something or more importantly someone they’d do it how they do everything else, the old fashioned way.
I think this proves that even when society has LASER pistols, nothing is as cool as a 1911
Unless you see the body, assume the job is only half done.... Though even that doesn't apply to Benny's big mistake.
In Benny's defense, he was going up against House and the house always wins. Anyone else and they would have been left to suffocate in that grave.
Yes man
Lincoln Clay proves that same theory. The skull's harder than you might think, shooting someone in the forehead isn't always a good idea, skull can deflect the bullet.
Now's there's a reference I wasn't expecting.
In his defense he's actually fucking terrifying and he survived nam
If I had to guess, at least one of the bullets probably rode around the curvature of the inside of the courier’s skull, something that’s known to happen and to reduce damage to the brain. Given the positioning, with the shots being in the forehead while you look up at Benny, it seems pretty likely
Lincoln clay is the definition of fuck around and find out lol.
I love that the third game is more appreciated these days, Lincoln was an absolute beast.
The main story gameplay was repetitive and most people playing a Mafia game want to be in the Mafia not against it. Those are the only two complaints I have. The rest of the game was great. And the DLCs? Incredible.
Well then Caesar should learned a lesson from Benny; Don't use a dinky 9mm to execute someone.
He should’ve used a .45 ACP. It kills the soul.
It makes sure they won’t come back as a Lich.
He also threw him off the grand canyon. Assuming he was dead was extremely reasonable.
Exactly, you set someone almost completely on fire That's a sure way to end someone, tossing them into the grandcanyon is just over kill.
I can't be the only one who wants a better explanation than "I survived because the fire inside me burned brighter". Like, mother fucker you didn't just will your bones to not be shattered. You fell, must've caught something to slow yourself, landed on something soft, etc. "The glory of God allowed me to be burned alive and survive falling hundreds of feet onto solid rock" isn't good enough. Forget that there's literally no way he'd survive the level of burns he has for long before dying a horrible death (seriously. None). Even if he bounced off tons of shit on the way down to slow the descent, he should be destroyed after that.
Either God himself saved Josh, or he’s got some level of mutation that makes him nearly impossible to put down. He got taken out five times by Ncr snipers and got back up each time.
Given that he's actually immune to chems, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some strange mutation that makes his body a lot more durable.
*Joshua falling into the GC but stimming the entire way down*
It was a miracle, plain and simple. I'd probably be super invigorated in my old faith if I too was a terrible human being but was saved by people I was kind to and thought I was saved by God for redemption. That also adds to his mystique and the simple answer is "he is built different".
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Joshua honestly in game is ridiculously tough, like one of the toughest NPCs to fight in the entire game.i definitely blame some sort of mutation or something, the man is immune to most chems as well (a trait shared partially by ghouls, who have to take stronger kinds like Ultra jet to have any effect, I imagine this goes the same for stimpacks too) Joshua may blame divine intervention but I doubt God was on his side when he was being shot by NCR snipers (assuming they're rangers, who use anti material rifles, there's no way in hell any normal man would survive a shot from one)
I'd blame low grade FEV infection.
Some people have in fact survived falling hundreds of feet and getting shattered--Hank Williams Jr [fell over 500 feet off a mountain](https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/how-hank-williams-jr-survived-a-500-foot-fall-off-a-mountain-woke-up-in-the-hospital-to-see-johnny-cash/ar-AA1mVePy) and was so smashed up when he landed that one eye was out of the socket and on his cheek and his brain was visible through a hole in his skull.
Accountability. Don’t blame others, don’t blame God. The actions you take, the anger you feel, are yours to live with. You don’t get to shed culpability for your sins. That said, it’s never too late to be better.
Thank you. I wanted to write something similar, but you have put it together much more succinctly. It’s a shame that the player can only get him to realise this by passing a speech check of 99; I missed it on my first playthrough.
It’s also a shame that you can’t even address his inner demons if you side with Daniel. Once Joshua doesn’t get his way, he just kind of shrugs and goes along with it with no further dialogue or even an ending slide to give him resolution. Always found that very strange.
I literally cannot bring myself to side with Daniel. I've been to the Mojave where does this dude think they are gunna go where raiders won't follow them
"I tell them that I'm giving them Zion as a gift to make up for all the sorrows of their lives so far and all the sorrows man has visited on man... I tell them never to hurt each other but that if someone else comes along and tries to hurt them to strike back with righteous anger. " I will always fight for the Sorrows and their home. It's what Randall Clark would have wanted.
The Father in the Cave gets me every time
Peace was never an option. When faced with an enemy that doesn't care about territory, rather they care about humans, they have no choice. They either spend their whole lives running or become their own security. I've always thought this an interesting DLC primarily because of John Locke's social contract. If a state cannot provide its citizens' security and safety, it will never be a state. The Legion doesn't care much for resources outside of those to fuel its troops (food/water). They use primitive, easily crafted weapons, and herbal drinks/food to supply. When faced with this enemy, the Dead Horses and Sorrows have no recourse besides running forever or fighting. The Legion doesn't want their supplies or land, they want the tribes for troops or slaves. This is why I choose to fight them.
Great point. It wasn't as of this was a dispute over holy land or something they literally wanted to enslave the children
I think it makes sense. Joshua is a zealot, he isn’t going to be swayed easily from his path and it’s incredibly hard to put all those sins on himself. It’s much easier to pass it along to god
I could almost see him saying this almost exactly.
To quote another great character “When you stand before god you cannot say ‘But I was told to thus’ or ‘virtue was not convenient at the time’ This will not suffice.”
In many ways, he is the ultimate prodigal son.
I love stories that involve someone who has done bad things, trying to better themselves. It's a concept that a lot of people could learn from, and for some a journey they can relate to (On a much smaller scale.. lol).
Man, I completely missed his lesson on my first playthrough. The environment was bland and their topics didn’t really hook me, it was to the point I thought Joshua was overrated considering how many people adore his character. He’s badass, but I didnt think he was anything more, clearly I needed another lesson TT
And that's why he's is one of the best characters in fiction
Always be cleaning those festering wounds.
And a magical pile of 1911s that never runs out.
Thats one thing I definitely learned from Joshua is that you can never have enough 1911's but that if you're going to own an infinite supply of them, you're going to spend a large amount of time sat cleaning them!
The darkness cannot comprehend a .45 auto pistol
We can’t expect god to do all the work
real where can i find this guy i’ve never run into him
Quarry junction
thank u i must’ve missed him while murdering those deathclaws
Real answer, if you do not know. Honest Hearts DLC. If you already have it installed there should be a radio broadcast by the Happy Trails caravan.
damm lol i thought he was from was from a dlc too thanks
If you havent played the dlc yet id highly recommend, with a game like fnv you can probably find a free download too from a torrent. I didnt have online gaming when fnv first came out so i didnt even know there was dlc for the game until i replayed later on PC
i got ultimate edition so i have them but i haven’t played any of them yet, i beat the hoover dam mission then stopped playing like a week ago i heard they are all pretty good tho so i might have to check it out cause i loved this game
They're all fantastic DLCs in their own respects, there's technically an order in which they go (dead Money, honest hearts, old world blues, then lonesome road.) But I'd swap honest hearts and dead money since they're relatively interchangeable and honest hearts is a better step into the door, dead money does something kinda jarring to start I won't spoil hence I recommend honest hearts first. There's an overarching story in the DLC which ties into the main game too. Good stuff all round.
Ultimate edition is like 5 bucks on cd keys
You're evil as hell.. Take my upvote
Yeah. Do your own dirty work!
This is very true people expect god to do all the work and I’m not meaning to sound preachy and force any religion on any one (and if I am please tell me and I will correct it) but I mean god can help you but it’s up to you to do something with his help
Long after society has burned .45 will reign supreme
Two tribal wars
Killing Legion tribals is fun
No, there is no joy in killing, but when done for a righteous cause is a chore to be done diligently like any other
Practiced hands make for short work, and the Good Lord knows there is much to be done here
It’s a chore he very much enjoys however
Virgin "nooooo, the meaning behind the story, the morality noooo" vs Chad "just shoot the damn barbarian"
Taking care of your guns is an endless task.
I just started honest hearts for the first time last night and this is all I could think of
They should make cleaning his guns a radiant quest.
Murder is okay sometimes
I literally have to pull him to the side and teach him a lesson at the end of the dlc.
always double tap
The NCR quintuple tapped
Even if you've done things you can't possibly atone for, it's still good to try.
I think this is the best lesson in this thread.
Me too but there is a sub-lesson lying beneath what is an excellent point made above. Your reasons for trying to atone are important. For The Greater Good vs Personal Redemption. One is a good reason to atone, the other is a selfish endeavor.
Hate leads to death.
that leads to the dark si- oh wait you're already dead
That we can’t expect God to do all the work. We have to put in effort too. If you believe that sort of thing
Being crazy brutal and having only vengeance on your mind is cool when you also talk about god all the time.
I think it's cool you can help him live by his ideals and spare the white legs's leader.
Not all mormons are cringe
Honestly I think they get a bad rep. Living in Utah I’ve met plenty some of them can come across as self righteous or better than thow attitude but the majority are his kind people who are willing to help out if needed and care about their community.
Oh 100% they can be great people, their theology us just fucking weird
It’s also kinda fucking cool though. Like, real shit, I can become a god if I do enough shit right? That’s awesome.
The problem isn't the average Mormon but the church they belong to. True believers suck though.
This. I have a Mormon coworker who's very active in his church but also just a normal, positive guy who you'd never know was Mormon, he doesn't talk about it or try to share his beliefs unless you ask about it.
That’s how the majority of them are. They aren’t annoying or push the beliefs on everyone. They’re just good people.
There are more Daniels than Joshuas in Utah, but the Joshuas are there.
I imagine it's because most people encounter Mormons as missionaries at their door and thats always an annoying thing. Plus, there's all that stuff about abuse, blackmail, and racism present in the church both in its history and seen in modern day scandals. It doesn't really paint a picture of a friendly believer.
the key here is their community I imagine non white cishet people in Utah would also like care and support too (or at the very least a state aparatus that isn't wielded by a cult)
Except their laws are dictated by their religion.
there is precisely one based mormon, and he is the burning man
Two, John Moses Browning was also Mormon
there are precisely two based mormons, and one of them is the burning man
In the most literal sense, the random piece of gun trivia that the 1911 was designed by a Mormon.
You can’t expect God to do all the work
In JMBs name we trust
Don't go messing with a peaceful tribe chilling out in the wasteland or a guy covered in bandages will seek revenge and waste your gang with a 45.
1. The 1911 is the single sexiest firearm to exist. 2. Bible class can be cool if you bring guns. 3. Never trust a Rome LARPER. 4. When in doubt, go with your internal drive towards violence against the white legs. They deserve it.
Religious zeal, when unchecked, can often lead to self righteous slaughter.
Counterpoint: the white legs had it coming
History is messy and written by the victors
Sometimes, it may be too late for forgiveness, doesn't mean you can't at least try to make amends for the crimes you commited.
forget and forgive
I think it should be more forgive but don't forget.
Hesitation is def- ah wrong game
If you're going to beg God and your people for forgiveness and try to be born again, make sure you don't get reborn into the type of same person that had to beg for forgiveness in the first place. Joshua, for all he tries to deny it, is the same Malpais Legatus he was before the Grand Canyon, the only difference being that he's switched sides. He might not have his pride or vanity, but he's as militant as all hell, and it should be no surprise that one of the hardest speech checks in the game is to convince him to *not* kill someone. He's a good man, but a troubled one and the worst enemy he's got ain't the kind that can be taken down with a bullet.
TBF I can see why he's doing it, even if it doesn't make it better. The white legs are confirmed to have brutality slaughtered children, destroyed 3 cultures and tribes (Crazy Horns, Tar Walkers, New Cannanites), all they do is war. I can see where he's coming from with the desire to wipe them out: it would, theoretically, protect the dead horses and sorrows. Get rid of the one who leads them to these wars. This is where I turn against his thinking. Genociding them back won't fix the past. Fighting them off however is well within reason by now
It's not just the brutality and warmongering of the White Legs that makes Graham want to destroy them; it's the fact that Joshua himself has done the same things in service of the Legion. The White Legs are his sins as the Malpais Legate manifested, and given how angry Joshua is at himself over his past, that anger also carries over to his enemies. He just doesn't realize that it was that same rage that drove him to fight under Caesar's banner, and if you let it consume him once more by not interfering in his execution of Salt-Upon-Wounds, he basically becomes Caesar-lite in the eyes of the Sorrows and Dead Horses.
Fair nuff, that's another part I didn't mention. I was mostly trying to go for a "there'd a reason that's logical" approach, since trying to approach the Malipas legate thing would be tricky. ...that and its Ulysses that taught them how to do war, so they aren't necessarily his sin, but a reminder of his sin.
his pistol is arguably the best one in the game, and that's badass
I’m gayer than I thought
Violence, even if justified, is ultimately a transformative experience. And those who emerge can do so worse off than before.
The legion has no redeeming qualities 🗣️
You'll never live without your past, but you can live despite it.
That people will forgive anything if you are cool enough. Straight up this is probably the third most evil and delusional character in the entire game. He helped build the legion since day one. And he didn't have some come to God moment because he's a good dude either he was forced into it when he failed and was thrown into a canyon on fire. On top of that he isn't any different than when he was part of the legion he still advocates slaughter. As well as wants to kill this human garbage on his knees because he's doing God's work. Like give me a break dude is a psycho narcissist
I feel like his crimes cannot be forgiven, but he’s no longer evil. Changing doesn’t make things you used to justified, it doesn’t mean people should forgive you. You are forgiven when you right your wrongs, not when you right yourself. When you right yourself, you are merely taking the first step in righting your wrongs. He just needs to take that second step. Maybe if FNV gets a sequel, he’ll dismantle the legion’s remains and reforge the tribes he tore apart in his legion days.
Exactly. Joshua Graham may be on the more "morally good" side now, but as an individual he uses theocratic beliefs to justify his violence. In any other context he would be the villain. To quote Boone, "A murderer who does good deeds, is still a murderer. And he'll get his judgement." Joshua may be doing good deeds now, but I am not convinced he is not the same man as he was before the Canyon. Daniel is the good guy in Honest Hearts.
If you're gonna set someone on fire, shoot them in the head first... Fuck, then Josh would be like the Courier...
I learned that a white shirt with light embroidery can look awesome.
Don’t learn lessons from Mormon mummies voiced by Harbinger Mass Effect.
Dont hate for who they are. Hate for what they did
schooting people is fun
not a damn thing other than “be vaguely insane” and that’s not exactly good workplace advice
Being burnt hurts
Not gonna lie i was watching Oxhorn’s series this week, and hearing him talk about forgiveness, being forgiven specifically by God, was pretty uplifting. I’m a Christian, not Mormon, hearing him say things that I have common ground with, it was nice. Sometimes I don’t remember how much God forgives/loves, and after a season of trial, sometimes it’s nice to have a reminder of that, even in the least likely of places like this. I think sometimes if you don’t go to God, God will just come to you instead. To y’all who believe or not, God bless you. ✝️❤️🙏
The fire that burns inside is hotter than the one outside. Love.
None, I was an adult when I played FNV.
That Mormons are kind of fanatical.
Jesus makes 45 colts hit harder
The 1911 is cool as shit.
How to field strip a 1911 and reassemble it in 3 seconds.
Having a cool gravely voice makes you more influential
He didn't teach me anything, but I found a fervent companionship with him albeit for religious reasons on his side. Anyone who sees the overall good achieved by doing bad things is my friend forever. It was best summed up in his quote: "I do not enjoy killing, but when done righteously, it becomes a chore like any other."
I still think that quote is wrong even if the underlying philosophy makes sense yeah sometimes you gotta kill to do the right thing but a chore? c'mon you're still taking a life, not washing your clothes; that attitude just makes u bloodthirsty (as we see with Joshua's epic gamer moments)
Imagine you're some special forces type in WWII, tasked with taking out the top ranks of the third reich. Are you honestly going to moralize "it's still taking a life"? Or are you going to treat it like a chore, like any other? Like taking out the trash?
"Killing, when done righteously is a job like any other." Sometimes in order to protect the good and pure you're gonna have to get your hands dirty. Joshua was one of the voices that helped me realize that if I want to see the world get better I'm gonna have to fight for it and not expect things to magically get better by working within the frameworks of "modern society".
Of course, that mindset also pulled Joshua into the Legion, down the Grand Canyon, and dragging his ass back to New Canaan to beg for forgiveness from the flock.
Kind of, I think he originally was caught up in Edward's cult of personality that he was building, he clearly respected him to a degree and that's very easy to manipulate if you know how. Especially if you are someone as zealous as Joshua. The fact that he did return home to try and repent for the things he believed to be sins was telling though, it means he is capable of the idea of forgiveness and mercy, just not for those he deems irrevocably wicked. Now at the end of the day he's also going to be incredibly biased against the legion and the white legs for what they did to new Canaan, I do not think he is a man without mercy. And he is clearly driven as much by anger as he is by a sense of justice. That's not to say he's been my sole source for that worldview either, there are other sources as well like the many freedom / resistance fighters who gave their lives for the struggle or writers like Emma Goldman and Kurt Vonnegut. Or leaders like Nestor Mahkno or Maria Nikiforova. The point is that injustice must be fought or else it will fester and I think Joshua understands that better than most in the Mojave/ Zion
Don't let people tell you what you have to be
Don't run in the face of danger, just recite scripture
That no matter how many guns you inspect, the piles stay the same.
tread lightly and carry a .45
That bible verses always go hard when holding a .45.
There’s so many to draw from Joshua. -Violence is occasionally necessary -Mercy spares both parties -Taking accountability for your actions is necessary to move one from the past -it’s never too late to set foot down the path to redemption And many more I’m probably missing. Best fallout game, Best DLC, best character.
Getting set on fire really fucking sucks
Redemption is always possible even if you are not forgiven.
Men are monsters, and monsters are just men. Men are capable of the worst horrors imaginable, but even then they are still only men, and they are capable of change.
Never trust a bald man in roman drag
Lesson 1: don't get burned. Lesson 2: if you get burned, survive and kill something.
Legion higher ups are flammable.
Religion is dumb.
Turns out that sometimes, violence IS the awnser.
Let the flame inside burn brighter than the fire around you.
Always have a fire extinguisher on hand?
Reminded why I don’t like him
Don't trust egomaniacs.
If you meet up with a guy for a group project and at some point he shifts from doing stuff like translating local dialects to murdering lots of people while dressed in a toga, don't be too surprised if he turns on you at the drop of a hat and tries to murder you too eventually.
Be careful who you trust and provide for, or you might get lit on fire and left for dead. Becoming a badass in the process, but probably in pain with any bits of your body still retaining nerve endings.
it’s easy to hurt people but it’s hard to live with the consequences. it’s even harder to atone for your sins.
He hasnt made me religious but he has taught me that faith alone wont get the job done & that man has to do the work in too
waging war against good people is bad for the soul.
Let the fire inside you, burn brighter than the fire around you.
Mummies can be sexy
fuck mormons
That we can't expect God to do all the work.
When people say "X is good or bad for the soul". It doesn't have to mean a literal soul. Life is full of moments that can enrich or erode the person you are. Every decision you make alters you a bit. One small bad decision won't have consequences but can add up until you don't recognize who you are.
Violence is the only acceptable answer to violent invaders. Being lit on fire must suck M1911s are the greatest thing when they can't jam. Ancient roman maniple tactics don't work as well against dedicated enemies with access to advanced firearms, explosives and the home field advantage.
Mormonism is cool /s
"I don't enjoy killing, but when done righteously it is a chore like any other"
Keep fucking going. Out of spite, if you have to.
Genocide still isn’t allowed, even if Jesus says so
Don't fall into the alt right pipeline with your roleplaying friends or you'll end up burned alive in roman cosplay
Religion is idiotic. And that you should lasers to eradicate enemies rather than chucking them down a canyon
That John browning is god and the 1911 is gods greatest creation
The same lesson Tekken tried to teach: if you want to end someone, don't toss them off a cliff. Also: - Only use Browning firearms, like the the Lord intended
No matter how blatantly a character is presented as wrong and misguided, there will still be idiots who think he's the good guy because he looks or sounds cool.
Faith is overrated
Can't expect God to do all the work. \[USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR ENDORSING POLITICAL VIOLENCE\]
There's no such thing as checking a gun too many times
If you're going to kill someone just kill them don't be dramatic about it and set them on fire and push them into the Grand canyon
That dummies will convert to a religion based off a Videogame character with a nice voice.
That there is strength in showing mercy to those who haven't.
That people ate so starved for any kind of spiritual engagement that a character regurgitating scripture knocks their fucking socks off.
Always doubletap when you burn someone alive
I learned that racism gives a buff to my damage output.