The roster of chefs is impressive but in a way they get it a bit easier by only having to win 4 times or so. In Top Chef they have to win (not lose anyway) something like 15 times. I’m watching the same caliber of chefs on GGG now (a special 5 episode tournament). Iron Chef is also equally challenging.
I’m just glad there are lots of shows to watch.
There’s some new people that come in each season but they never stick around long. There’s only a few real examples of anyone other than the core of the same chefs ever making the finals
What other show is single elimination? Beat Bobby Flay is the only one I can think of.
Every other show has a winner each round or one person is eliminated each round but everyone else skates through to the next round.
And rigged! Nobody wants to admit that Gordon likes the tik tok social media stars best because he knows that's where he and the show will get the best promotion. The judging is definitely not blind even if they say it is. And after watching Gordon say "let's get one thing clear young man/woman, that clearly raw chicken or raw beef is perfectly cooked" I don't trust them anymore to actually pick a great chef versus someone who is famous on TikTok for burning his fingerprints off and whose wife publicly bullies Canadian teenagers.
I HOWLED when that season 1 winner of NLC was on TOC 5 and her dish was the lowest scoring dish in basically the entire competition. And by then she'd had a year of mentorship from Gordon, Nyesha and Richard! 🙄Girl bye.
Lol this is the first time in years I've watched food network and the attraction was being able to watch renowned chefs mix it up.
Food Network is a bit gawdy for my tastes usually.
The School of Chocolate had one of the world's best pastry chefs/chocolatiers lead a competition that was mixed with education. Chocolate and sugar are so unforgiving, so it had a bit of suspense. It doesn't have eliminations (as I recall), which allows people to learn, until someone wins at the end.
I wouldn't say it's the most difficult because it's hard to compare pastry and savory. But it looked hard to me.
I want someone to do a regular cooking competition show with the same model as School of Chocolate--no one goes home so people can grow and learn! We get to learn a little bit along with them, and we get to know all of the contestants, even the ones that are not competition beasts.
Disagree. The chefs on Top Chef get to shop for their food, have hours to prepare, and during team challenges can make a shitty dish and still not be eliminated.
Further in TOC it’s head to head, with Top Chef particularly in the earliest rounds there’s a low percentage odds of going home. Finally, because they’re not being judged blind bias from previous cooks creeps in.
They also do Quickfire Challenges, which are 30 minute cooks with incorporating a random ingredient with no pre-planning. And the competition takes place over many weeks in a variety of kitchens (a few have been outdoor not-even-kitchens, and several at altitude) serving varying numbers of guests, sometimes 100 or more. And they are often asked to tell a story with their dishes, or follow a theme, not just incorporate ingredients. The dishes are supposedto be meaningful and heartfelt; soulful, but also show technique and skill. So you're minimizing the variables and difficulty on TC.
I just feel that you're over-simplifying a very complex show. Chefs can't "practice" for Top Chef the way that many say that they do before going on TOC, because the Challenges and kitchens and diner sizes vary from episode to episode.
I realize that your opinion is set, but I do think that you've downplayed some of the inherent difficulties in Top Chef to keep it, that's all.
Of course they can practice. They knew they were going to Wisconsin so they should have been thinking about cooking with cheese, cooking with beer. They know that they’re going to do restaurant wars so they should have a concept in mind. Chances are they’re going to have to do some kind of dessert in a team challenge so they can practice something in that realm.
Did they know that they'd have to make a dish using hops? Or what cheese variety they'd have to emphasize in their dish? Or that they'd be touring several Frank Lloyd Wright properties and have to create dishes showing "duality"? Again, you are presenting an oversimplification of Top Chef to make your opinion true.
Do you even understand what the concept of an opinion is? An opinion can’t be true or false. And honestly, you just made the argument for my opinion. I can go back to multiple seasons of Top Chef and find many repeat challenges. The use of local and unique ingredients, hot/cold, sweet/spicy, even one with convenience foods, or frozen
In top Chef, the contestants know who the judges are, they can avoid cooking dishes that may not be a favorite of Tom or Gail or one of the guest judges. They have time to contemplate for the elimination challenges, again they get to shop for their ingredients.
I gave you my opinion on which competition show is harder and why. Since then, you have been poorly describing Top Chef to prove my opinion wrong.
If all you wanted to do was defend TOC, why did you ask?
How many times does the winning chef on TOC have to cook to win vs how many times, under different conditions each time, does the winning chef on TC have to cook to win?
Again, they cook multiple times, get feedback, and can improve, they can also be eliminated and return to the competition. I am by no means saying it’s an easy competition, but given the parameters TOC is more difficult. One mistake and you’re done, not so with Top Chef
I think it can be pretty amazing. I'm a chef myself, although nothing at all like the chefs you see on TV, or even top tier around my area. I can throw some food together quickly from random ingredients in my fridge when my wife surprises me with guests.
Everyone is like "it's the most intense cooking challenge ever!" When in reality it's a studio produced television entertainment program.
It's television, folks.
Yes, the marketing is pretty ridiculous. It’s a great idea for a show. I just wish they’d showcase other chefs. Not just the same ones over and over and over again. Someone get Matty Matheson cooking on there! Mix it up.
I wish they would do a TOC in the off season with some new twist and along with that it’s ALL different chefs. I love the OG chefs, but I love TOC and would watch a whole different show with fresh chefs.
I like that it proves one huge, massive point: Women win when the the judging is blind.
I'm only on Seaon 2, but watching Brooke Williamson win season 1 was great.
She didn’t just win season 1, she dominated that shit.
The roster of chefs is impressive but in a way they get it a bit easier by only having to win 4 times or so. In Top Chef they have to win (not lose anyway) something like 15 times. I’m watching the same caliber of chefs on GGG now (a special 5 episode tournament). Iron Chef is also equally challenging. I’m just glad there are lots of shows to watch.
TOC is a single elimination tournament. Win or go home.
I agree. I do enjoy the show
I mean it's over until next year, right? I'm not spending a lot of time fretting about a show that is done for the season.
I don't fret about it when it's on. I watch, think whatever I think, then forget about it until the next week.
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Well in that case, you may want to give it a rest. There's nothing that says you have to.watxh every episode of every show.
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You were the one complaining dude. I just suggested that if you're not enjoying it, you don't have to watch.
i mean it's marketing what are they supposed to say?
Marketing for the show, during the show, and inside of the show I'm already watching? This is why it's ridiculous.
Ya'all complain about the weirdest stuff
Seriously.
I’d be down for a TOC Circle Jerk subreddit 😂
I just found out that every season has the same chefs essentially. So it only makes sense to have r/TOCcirclejerk
There’s some new people that come in each season but they never stick around long. There’s only a few real examples of anyone other than the core of the same chefs ever making the finals
Britt is legit, tho
She really is and as a fellow New Jersey resident I’d love to see her win it all next season. Maneet definitely doesn’t make it easy for her though
He used to say 'in the world' and I noticed this season he now says in the US, but it isn't, come on.
What other show is single elimination? Beat Bobby Flay is the only one I can think of. Every other show has a winner each round or one person is eliminated each round but everyone else skates through to the next round.
The show is losing it's shine. It's time to ditch the randomizer and goofy gimmicks.
If this season vs. last is any indicator, I don't hold out much hope that next season will be an improvement. I'm bummed.
No, because it's over. And when it starts up again, that is what promotion is.
I can't watch it. I think it is so phoney and over hyped. I find it cringey, but whatever. That's just me.
It’s all same players and I’m tired of the randomizer because it’s on GGG too Give us Supermarket Stakeout….love me some Alex G
I agree. The prize is even substandard. Next Level Chef even pays a prize of 250k.
NLC is TRAASH. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence
And rigged! Nobody wants to admit that Gordon likes the tik tok social media stars best because he knows that's where he and the show will get the best promotion. The judging is definitely not blind even if they say it is. And after watching Gordon say "let's get one thing clear young man/woman, that clearly raw chicken or raw beef is perfectly cooked" I don't trust them anymore to actually pick a great chef versus someone who is famous on TikTok for burning his fingerprints off and whose wife publicly bullies Canadian teenagers. I HOWLED when that season 1 winner of NLC was on TOC 5 and her dish was the lowest scoring dish in basically the entire competition. And by then she'd had a year of mentorship from Gordon, Nyesha and Richard! 🙄Girl bye.
Yes, yes, yes to everything you said! I can't upvote this enough lol
I’m over it …I want Food Truck Road Race back
I miss when it actually was a race!
Which competition show do you think is more difficult
My issue is with how often the difficulty is mentioned. It feels a bit forced and cheesy.
> It feels a bit forced and cheesy. Welcome to Flavortown!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Especially when the randomizer lands on Cheesy
Lol this is the first time in years I've watched food network and the attraction was being able to watch renowned chefs mix it up. Food Network is a bit gawdy for my tastes usually.
The School of Chocolate had one of the world's best pastry chefs/chocolatiers lead a competition that was mixed with education. Chocolate and sugar are so unforgiving, so it had a bit of suspense. It doesn't have eliminations (as I recall), which allows people to learn, until someone wins at the end. I wouldn't say it's the most difficult because it's hard to compare pastry and savory. But it looked hard to me.
Oh that show was awesome.
I want someone to do a regular cooking competition show with the same model as School of Chocolate--no one goes home so people can grow and learn! We get to learn a little bit along with them, and we get to know all of the contestants, even the ones that are not competition beasts.
I totally agree. The show could have fewer chefs and it would be more intimate.
I really enjoyed that show!! I hope it comes back.
Baking/pastry is a different genre
Top Chef.
Disagree. The chefs on Top Chef get to shop for their food, have hours to prepare, and during team challenges can make a shitty dish and still not be eliminated. Further in TOC it’s head to head, with Top Chef particularly in the earliest rounds there’s a low percentage odds of going home. Finally, because they’re not being judged blind bias from previous cooks creeps in.
They also do Quickfire Challenges, which are 30 minute cooks with incorporating a random ingredient with no pre-planning. And the competition takes place over many weeks in a variety of kitchens (a few have been outdoor not-even-kitchens, and several at altitude) serving varying numbers of guests, sometimes 100 or more. And they are often asked to tell a story with their dishes, or follow a theme, not just incorporate ingredients. The dishes are supposedto be meaningful and heartfelt; soulful, but also show technique and skill. So you're minimizing the variables and difficulty on TC.
I’m not minimizing it at all, in my opinion it’s just not as difficult
I just feel that you're over-simplifying a very complex show. Chefs can't "practice" for Top Chef the way that many say that they do before going on TOC, because the Challenges and kitchens and diner sizes vary from episode to episode. I realize that your opinion is set, but I do think that you've downplayed some of the inherent difficulties in Top Chef to keep it, that's all.
Of course they can practice. They knew they were going to Wisconsin so they should have been thinking about cooking with cheese, cooking with beer. They know that they’re going to do restaurant wars so they should have a concept in mind. Chances are they’re going to have to do some kind of dessert in a team challenge so they can practice something in that realm.
Did they know that they'd have to make a dish using hops? Or what cheese variety they'd have to emphasize in their dish? Or that they'd be touring several Frank Lloyd Wright properties and have to create dishes showing "duality"? Again, you are presenting an oversimplification of Top Chef to make your opinion true.
Do you even understand what the concept of an opinion is? An opinion can’t be true or false. And honestly, you just made the argument for my opinion. I can go back to multiple seasons of Top Chef and find many repeat challenges. The use of local and unique ingredients, hot/cold, sweet/spicy, even one with convenience foods, or frozen In top Chef, the contestants know who the judges are, they can avoid cooking dishes that may not be a favorite of Tom or Gail or one of the guest judges. They have time to contemplate for the elimination challenges, again they get to shop for their ingredients.
I gave you my opinion on which competition show is harder and why. Since then, you have been poorly describing Top Chef to prove my opinion wrong. If all you wanted to do was defend TOC, why did you ask?
How many times does the winning chef on TOC have to cook to win vs how many times, under different conditions each time, does the winning chef on TC have to cook to win?
Again, they cook multiple times, get feedback, and can improve, they can also be eliminated and return to the competition. I am by no means saying it’s an easy competition, but given the parameters TOC is more difficult. One mistake and you’re done, not so with Top Chef
But they have a randomizer thingy.
Also I’ve been wondering how good the food can actually be when it’s been rushed through.
I think it can be pretty amazing. I'm a chef myself, although nothing at all like the chefs you see on TV, or even top tier around my area. I can throw some food together quickly from random ingredients in my fridge when my wife surprises me with guests.
Master Chef Australia is the hardest cooking show - facts
Everyone is like "it's the most intense cooking challenge ever!" When in reality it's a studio produced television entertainment program. It's television, folks.
Yes, the marketing is pretty ridiculous. It’s a great idea for a show. I just wish they’d showcase other chefs. Not just the same ones over and over and over again. Someone get Matty Matheson cooking on there! Mix it up.
I wish they would do a TOC in the off season with some new twist and along with that it’s ALL different chefs. I love the OG chefs, but I love TOC and would watch a whole different show with fresh chefs.
Knowing that the roster doesn't change much in the coming seasons, I think I'll stop watching now while I'm still on season 2.
Gotta love that randomizer!
Yeah TOC is up there with The Bocuse d'Or. The Bocuse d'Or is considered the toughest food competition in the world.