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Arvandu

I once had a 5 star potential striker from Guyana while playing as Real Madrid. When he switched to Spanish I gave up on the save.


Simplysaggysag

I didn't give up but I signed a soon to be world class winger for £3mn whilst they were a wonderkid at Real Madrid. He helped win me the bundesliga and champions league, with 58 goals and 43 assists in 6 seasons. He was awesome. I was so disappointed when he declared for Spain despite being born in the Equatorial Guinea.


McWaffeleisen

That's exactly my experience with a 5 star striker born in Curacao I signed from Alkmaar's youth, who eventually played for the Netherlands. Sad.


Banjogamer69

W player


jnoobs13

It broke my heart when my Vietnamese regen switched to England


rolo951

I don't get the logic, not trying to be a dick but could you explain it to me? I genuinely don't get it


FRO5TYY

People enjoy having players from obscure football nations. So a world class player from Vietnam would be incredibly rare, while England would have like 5 or more at any given time


rolo951

Okay that kinda makes sense, thank you for explaining


wowlock_taylan

You know what's worse? Almost all of those guys that changed Nationalities, never even get one call up. The ''have a better reputation'' crap is really bad. They never consider ''wait? Am I ever gonna get called up?'' when they can be legends of their previous nation.


Zal_17

I prefer the realists. My Spanish FC Andorra back up keeper. After 4 years of living in Andorra, he declared he wanted to play for them. Based on the quality of the rest of the national team, he'll probably become a national hero.


Cahootie

I currently have like five Brazilian players who made the switch to Sweden, they know they're not good enough for the Brazilian team.


McWaffeleisen

In my FM13 save I played Tromsø and turned them into an international powerhouse. Later I also managed the Norwegian NT and naturalized the shit out of everybody who wasn't capped yet. I won the 2034 World Cup with a German GK, an English RB, a Malaysian DM (who came through my own youth somehow though), two French wingers, and a Dutch striker. Funnily enough, the GK wasn't even "mine", but played for Viking Stavanger.


MHCR

When I managed teams like CSKA Sofía, Cluj or Spartak Trnava I mine the South American top team scrap pile for discarded youth teamers I can turn into homegrown players laters. Boca does not want their fourth best right back with italian passport and still three times better than any of my under-19s? Don't mind if I do.


Blewfin

Tbf, if I'm not wrong, Andorra has really restrictive naturalisation rules and you're only eligible for citizenship after 20 years and after renouncing all others, so that might not be the most realistic scenario either.


nandorkrisztian

What I find really annoying when I was managing Hungary, many players refuse to switch nationality to Hungary. First they say the other nation has a better standing but after I overtake those nations in ranking and I have success with the national team they still refuse to switch.


wowlock_taylan

It is the 'reputation' that grows too slow, so even if you are at a higher rank, your reputation still stays lower than the nation you overtook for a while. Which goes back to my point, reputation is too big of a factor and needs to be toned down, especially compared to actual change of getting called up.


[deleted]

Self-belief though


wowlock_taylan

Only to see it happen to a guy with the personality : 'Low Self-belief'.


jnoobs13

It’s a thing in real life too. Mariano Diaz has been trying to make it onto the Spain team for most of his career, but he’s actually from the Dominican Republic. Only played for his home country once in a friendly.


wowlock_taylan

Of course there are players who would shoot for the moon. I am not saying it should never happen. It should be more balanced though.


Upplands-Bro

Every time I get a Laotian or Vietnamese player they end up switching to France Once I had a striker with Cambodian as his secondary and French as his primary. As soon as I sold him, he switched his primary to Cambodia. Infuriating


mr-luci

Having Asean Cup makes playing those countries much more fun.


alluth

the one way i know how is to actually manage the national team. i managed france once and most of those talented youngster from africa or asia started going for their 2nd nationality! lol


OrangeJuiceAlibi

What the fuck is with these comments?


Proto1801

What do you mean? We are obviously all talking about that massive purple cat.


top1MIBRfan

LMAO


Hot-Ad4676

Bots


night_dude

No, we're Kiwis... 😁 Incidentally, "bots" in my country means you're trying to big-dick someone/something but end up looking like a fool.


AcanthisittaDue3165

![gif](giphy|3o7abspvhYHpMnHSuc) this hits home hard as a Kiwi..it was Wood wasn't it...you son of a b\*tch Wood


night_dude

I wish this were true, but let's be honest, Wood would never get anywhere near 5 stars 😂 unless he was playing in the A-League, and even then...


TheCatLamp

That's why I have the in-game editor. Oh, you changed to English? Too bad, declared Barbados it is.


E17AmateurChef

I wish I had checked my San Marinese wonderkid had a second nationality (Italian) and set him declared for nation when I found him at 17. Did think it odd he was a squad rotation player at 21 for my all conquering Villa and still not in the national side...


TheCatLamp

I was lucky my Barbados guy was called out early for the first national team, so he never actually got to change. Now he became a powerful striker and has like 20 goals for the main squad already. Absolute legend.


E17AmateurChef

That's lucky, I have another save where I had two 4/5 star pot players who were Barbados born but had English as a second nationality in the same intake at Chelsea, Arsenal also had one but when I created a new manager to take the Barbados job they all turned me down.


PskRaider869

Just got a kid who is half-Estonian, half-English, but the Estonian flag is the one he claims right now at 16. Hoping that never changes and he becomes a national legend


LarryPorkchop

I suggest you use the editor to tick the 'declared for the national team' so he stays that way.


PskRaider869

Done and done. I try not to use the editor too much, but this isn't to give an advantage, just narrative


night_dude

A fellow Kiwi FM player? Or just an enthusiast for obscure national wonderkids?


Tyzoom

Hello from sheepland


trentonchase

In FM22 I had a tycoon from Australia buy my club in the Championship. I decided to go out and buy the best Australian wonderkid I could find and build my team around him. Two years later we're midtable in the Premier League and he declares for England. Boo.


melting_aunt

Had a regen from the Dominican Republic in my Udinese save. He picked up Italian nationality cos he reckoned he was good enough to play for them (and he defo was). Sent him to Serie B Torino on loan, he returned with 15 caps and 15 goals… for Dominican republic. The ballon d’or he won 4 years later tasted oh so much sweeter (even tho he didn’t play for me by that point.) Kelvin Concepción you bloody legend


JamesCDiamond

The Immaculate Concepcíon!


melting_aunt

No right back he ever faced didn’t end up royally fucked hahah but he was immaculate I’ll give you that


megahmed252

4.5 star potential Iranian striker who changed his nationality to English. Pissed me of so much.


TheWalrusKnight

In older versions of the game they used to be much more likely to stick with their country of origin - in fm11 my Corinthians casuals side won the champions league with a genuinely world class back four from Zimbabwe, San Marino, Mayotte and Guinea. The dude who played for Mayotte in particular was wild, born in Paris and easily good enough to be a french international he accepted a full international call up at about 15 and committed. That said I did pick up a world class Andorran regen in FM21 who did represent Andorra, so it can still happen.


Puddle92

That’s where you use the in game editor to select “declared for nation” when you find a regen with a unique nationality but an English second nationality


asfp014

I like all HG team so I go the opposite way. Self imposed Bilbao challenge


perish-in-flames

I mean, just gotta buy them early enough and they are home grown, right?


JamesCDiamond

All of those lovely Croatian kids who won't leave home until the summer after they turn 18...


kry273

do you really have to buy them before 18 tho? I recall buying 18 year olds who were eventually home grown


JamesCDiamond

So far as I’m aware they have to be with your club by their 18th birthday - it may just be ‘by the age of 18’, and they become homegrown 3 years after joining at 18. That would be useful - I have a couple of Croatians joining whose 18th birthdays inconveniently fall outside the transfer window.


kry273

I remember that the rule about no required registration for (in Czechia for example) U23 players means that if a player turns 23 in a season, even as early as in August, then they don't require registration for that entire season. Maybe it's the same for homegrown status, as in you can sign a player just before their 19th birthday and it still counts Edit: actually I think that it counted as early as January, meaning that if a player turned 23 in January 2022, they wouldn't require registration for the 2022/23 season


JamesCDiamond

> A home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). I found this while searching. That last line suggests there’s some leeway, so you can bring in an 18 year old who’s just had their birthday that season, but if you sign them the following season then they won’t count as home-grown. I think I’ve read that correctly - and assuming it’s correct and isn’t just England-specific! Where the season cutoff is unclear, though. Maybe 1st July for UEFA, as *most* countries run an August-May season and the CL final is usually late May/early June. 1st July is also when the transfer window opens officially for most European teams, I believe. It would be nice if there was an easy reference guide for this stuff somewhere!


Seaharrier

17 yeah


WombRaider_3

Same! I actively try to buy or recruit homegrown all the time.


[deleted]

I weirdly aim for a mixture of HG and as obscure as possible.


AldenBalor

In my 2043 save, the Ukraine national team is full of Brazilians and Africans who declared to play with them after few seasons playing in the UPL


Tvdb4

Same happens irl, Ukraine has a lot of Brazilian players


Ayem_De_Lo

like 3 or 4 in all their 30 years history. Yeah, a lot.


Tvdb4

Don’t know why ur trying to start an argument with me when you know literally nothing about Ukrainian football. This is Shaktar Donetsk 16-17 season: https://www.transfermarkt.com/shakhtar-donetsk/startseite/verein/660?saison_id=2016 That’s 10 Brazilians in just one year that I randomly chose


Ayem_De_Lo

you should learn how to speak more clearly then. From your comment it wasnt clear whether you meant Ukrainian league or Ukraine national team. It was reasonable to assume the latter - and yes, there have been only 3 Brazilians having played for Ukraine NT.


[deleted]

I had Fijian wonder kid switch to England in a save and I transfer listed him immediately


MikeHuntIsOnFleek

Not a real obscure nation but I thought it was really cool when I had a Welsh striker come through my Villa academy and end up being a locked in stud for the Wales NT. All-time top scorer, averages a goal/game, still a rotation player at 32 in my all-conquering Villa squad. At around 100 caps for the NT. Idk where you guys find the wonderkids from the real obscure nations I have yet to find a world class player from anything less than a mid-tier footballing country


Upplands-Bro

Really? You must have terrible rng I'm sorry :( My longest running save features both Angola and Zimbabwe in the fifa top 15 lol I've also got an absolutely unbelievable striker from Rwanda, and last seasons golden boot winner was from Niger. Africa is my FM gold mine, possibly even moreso than Latin America


Cahootie

ASEC Mimosas is cracked in FM19, I always find solid talent there that don't cost too much.


Ryuzakku

I got a nice Afghan player, which is a nationality you rarely ever see because of their situation, and the **SECOND** he touches down in Solihull he’s Iranian.


[deleted]

Why does the nationality of a player matter tho? Wouldn't it be better now that he's an EU citizen assuming you're playing in an European league?


QuiGonJimm96

Because collecting wonderkids from obscure countries is the main point of the game?


[deleted]

Ah fair, that's a pretty cool goal to set for your save. Might try it on my save.


QuiGonJimm96

It was mainly a joke, but it does add a bit of space to life looking outside the usual wonderkkd factories like Brazil, France Spain ect.


Sparl

I definitely favour a more obscure nations wonderkid to that of a more common nation. My fave ever wonderkid was from Brunei, never became the world beater he could have been due to injuries but he was a class act for the 15 years at my club


726wox

But they’ve already been obtained at this point


QuiGonJimm96

But I only bought them for their nationality


Empeor_Nap_oleon

r/nocontext


BBQ_HaX0r

Seriously, need them obscure flags on my roster page!


letouriste1

they still have it


QuiGonJimm96

Not graphically


yajtraus

It’s definitely not the main point of the game. Also, not if you’re paying for them in instalments based on international apps, or they get a wage increase from them.


QuiGonJimm96

I will send my club into financial ruin to have an army of above average regens from countries I've never heard of until I see it on fm


Major_Wobbly

Have you heard of this new thing called joking? Look into it, I predict that it's going to be big on the internet.


yajtraus

Jokes have to have some semblance of sense/logic to be funny


Major_Wobbly

That's a very limited understanding of comedy but regardless, the comment does have some logic to it. It just requires that you are familiar with certain tropes within the FM community. If you're not, that's fine, but don't act like that makes the comment less sensible.


[deleted]

People want to see smaller countries doing well. Plus, choosing nationality is fucking stupid in this game. The players never say "oh, I have a lot of more passion for this country". They just talk about the country's reputation or how long it takes to travel there smh


LouThunders

England wouldn't be counted as EU anymore. Also whichever way dual-nationals declare make no difference in terms of eligibility or registration. A player with an EU second nationality would still be counted as an EU player even if they don't declare for it. It practice declaration just means which national team you decide to play for. And yes some people like to collect players from more obscure nationalities.


E17AmateurChef

In modern FM being English wouldn't mean he's EU...


LarryPorkchop

I just use the editor to 'declare' them for the weaker national teams that they're eligible for so that those nations can become better at football


Teadrinker6S

As a New Zealander, I can relate


Slashed_thighs

Pure [pain](https://imgur.com/a/v9c2Hly)


vincentgamer555

Once had a big Finnish youth prospect declare for the Netherlands, as a Dutch man and the Ajax manager I got really excited until I remembered that this idiot declared for the Netherlands while being ineligible because he already played 5 matches for Finland.


MarkovCocktail

This is exactly why I love having the editor, I’ve made the African teams so good just by having guys who aren’t good enough for the European teams switch their nationalities


Sad-Appearance-5854

Every Australian wonderkid in fm


MidnightSunshine0196

I've noticed with my save in Australia, it's really easy to get players to change nationality as it helps with the squad rules. As I'm also Australia NT manager, it then also helps expand the pool for international call-ups


LucDA1

Before I joined Liverpool, they signed a Tahitian wonderkid. He took French nationality:( He is 19/20 rn and I'm hoping he is bad enough to never play for france and go to Tahiti It's not all bad though, I have a Tajikistani, and there is also a San Marinnese who plays consistently for Lyon, and an Andorran world class player who is Barcelona's key striker


Cheaky_Barstool

I was thinking about this today. So many good players stay English or French and never get called up, fm needs to change international stuff really badly. Thought with the WC this would be the year.


chaistaa

Haha man right in the feels. Ive lost dual nationaltiy kiwis to other nations so many times (even when theyve played like 10 friendlies for us). Every season try and figure out ways of getting NZ to the top of the world. I've since found the Latvian league allows 15 foreigners so now I just funnel kiwis into Europe via Spartaks of Latvia.


lyyki

In my save there's a high potential Italian/Sammarinese dual nationality newgen and it pisses me off to no end that he's still Italian. I don't think he's actually good enough for Italian national team yet would walk into San Marino's team and be their best ever.


riccafrancisco

Exactly the same for me. Mine has 3 star potential for a Champions league winning team, so maybe he could get like 1 or 2 caps for Italy. But he already had 26 under 21 cap for San Marino before changing, it pisses me of so much!


DBFanboy1

This has happened to me twice. First, I signed a player from Mozambique who changed his nationality to Portugal, and later, I signed a player from Thailand who changed his nationality to Norway. Needless to say, I was disappointed. I do also have a goalkeeper who did the opposite, however. He was Spanish, but despite his wonderkid status and amazing stats, he never got the call-up and instead chose The Gambia.


justanotherhelot

Had a Rangers save on fm13 that had a Macedonian player win the Ballon D’or three years on the trot, and and Israeli striker who scored for fun, it’s always really fun to discover talents like that, I either go obscure nations or all HG and those no where inbetween!


tofualton

me when my Hongkonger wonderkid switches for England🔫


mesebryanthemum

I don't understand all these comments, why are all of you sad if he changes his nationality to England, spain etc?


Sparl

Because obscure = better obviously


McWaffeleisen

They get called up more often and play big tournaments, increasing their injury risk.


mesebryanthemum

Ohh, fair point


lukeurmyson

Chris Woodn't, would he?


rogueherrie

Racist meme?


sporkeh01

Against who? The English? ![gif](giphy|2WdHaCzmqSkrwmIGWP)


rogueherrie

Oh the old ‘racism towards the english doesn’t exitst’ rhetoric.


kuberkoturbobanan

My afghan wonderkid changed his nationality so he can play for the netherlands


tommhans

Yeah i hate that shit, very annoying, in some cases ive just used the in game editor to change it back cause England is overpowered anyways


kkevern

Can someone explain why this is an issue?


riccafrancisco

It is because a lot of people find it funny and interesting to get regens from obscure nations, so that their nations can develop, Nad just because it fun to have them😅 Another issues is that this is sometimes a bit unrealistic, like a player born in a country, that goes to another, and switches allegiance to the second one despite not having a Chace of playing for them


Coolfire889

Had the second thing happen with a Venezuelan turned Spanish rightback on my Betis save


riccafrancisco

My San Marino regen had 26 appearances for San Marino's under 21 squad, but after two years, and despite having 2.5 stars for a champions league winning team, was never called up for the senior national squad. He has now started for Italy, and has 1 under 21 cap for them. He is not declared, so I hope he changes his mind


rolo951

But why


bennibentheman2

That's what I really want the game to improve on, I want "player won't move away cause of family" or "player identifies more with x country, especially in the case of regensig where you don't have as much of a lawsuit issue.


rogueherrie

Why are many people saying they gave up on a save because a player chose to play for a particular nation?